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The minimum wage would be $30/hour if it kept up with inflation.
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"These jobs are only for teenagers!"
Then what makes you think you can walk into these businesses in the middle of the school day and get service???
Well obviously, school is only for the offspring of the blue blood soft handed elite! To the fields and mines with the rest of us.
This was literally a major plank in Ronald Reagan's platform when he ran for governor of California.
I believe it. It's still happening, with conservatives pushing for charter schools and voucher programs that are designed to starve local public school systems of needed funding.
It's sad because usa is so rich they could finance the education field so fricken hard that they could continue to dominate the world economy for another 100 years easily.
They're more interesting in ensuring that they continue to dominate the country.
What use is a great country for them if it doesn't bend the knee and serve them? Better to have a shithole they can control than a paradise they can't.
Welcome to neofeudalism, baby. It's been happening since the day we hoisted the flag
burning it to the ground to be king of the ashes
Educated children become educated adults who cannot be as easily manipulated. They all love the poor and uneducated, some are just idiots who say it out loud.
Humbug! We don’t need to make money in the future - all we need is to save money now! Tomorrow doesn’t exist, we must work towards today!
Source: I’m a 75 year old Conservative voter - the future quite literally doesn’t exist to me. The kids can get stuffed so long as I get my pension and my remaining stocks and bonds (which I plan on spending on a 164 month luxury cruise around impoverished Caribbean island nations) continue to grow!
Father?
Most old people don't think like this except for a small minority that have been assholes their hole life. The biggest issue with old people is their judgment is impaired due to their age and various other medical conditions. I've seen it happen to extremely smart people. That's life. You can't fight these people only entice them with proper benefits and reassurances.
They're also lowering the working age, as well as expanding the hours they can work, and in which fields they can work.
Just increase property taxes along with those wages.
Ronald Reagan was the worst thing to happen to America since Christopher Columbus showed up.
No literally, that's what they want. You here the recent news about some US states starting to repeal child labor laws? Yeah, I'm not kidding. US education is already in the shitter. Honestly it's gotten so bad in some schools they probably wouldn't even miss out on much skipping school after 5th grade and going straight to the workforce. I'm not saying I endorse this mind you. This is just literally the world the Republicans are fighting to create.
I live and work in Florida. This is absolutely true. And the people are so brainwashed that they think it's a good idea. "My kid can get more out of going to work than at any stupid government school."
The children yearn for the mines!
Off topic, but I like your avatar :)
"this place shuts down during the day? no-one wants to work anymore smh my head"
"These jobs are only for teenagers!"
Then what makes you think you can walk into these businesses in the middle of the school day and get service???
I damn near had this exact conversation a few minutes ago in a different sub. Lmao
I think I just lost IQ points reading that thread. That other person is absolutely delusional. I remember being absolutely stoked getting a raise to 19 dollars an hour but still had to absolutely pray that nothing bad happened like a car issue or medical issue because that “disposable income” would be absolutely drained. Forget about saving up for anything cause I saved up for emergencies.
If you read the thread to the end, the commenter says that they are 18 years old. They just have no experience with how little $26k is for a yearly salary when you're living on your own.
It makes more sense when you discover that the guy he’s arguing with is a teenager that graduated from highscool early.
With honors 👌
Reading that just reminded me the stupidest people speak with the most confidence.
And unfortunately, people are often persuaded by confidence.
“The loudest boos come from the cheapest seats”
There's a non profit in my area that runs a coffee shop with "jobs for teenagers" as another financing tool to get money. And this shop is only open during summer, and a little on week-ends before and after school holidays. This is the only business I've seen with "jobs just for teenagers", and their opening hours reflect it.
I worked at a fast food restaurant and the boss had this kind of attitude. The number of times he put me on a shift in the middle of the school day was ridiculous. I kept telling the owners of the franchise who would admonish him, but they never actually punished him.
Then he asked me to stay late and close down the store, and I told him no because I had school the next day. He argued, I told him that I was going to report him to corporate because I was tired of it, and then I was never put on the schedule again.
Never again as in "fired but not really fired"? Apply for unemployment. You were available for work, he just didn't schedule you anymore because..... retaliation?
Had I understood workplace politics like I do now, then I absolutely would have. This was when I was fifteen though. I was only working to earn some extra pocket change to supplement the allowance my parents gave me. Having lost the job wasn't a big blow to me or anything.
I do understand, and that is what the manager was counting on, too much trouble AND not knowing the law. Oh the things HIGH SCHOOL should have taught us about money and financing and law and government and government departments. Did school tell you about signing up for "selective service" (the draft) at 18? And do you feel they should have? Or did they avoid it due to being "too political" like "why the boys and not the girls?"
Anyway..... time passes... gotta love it someday.
Teach your children... and good luck
I dont think teenagers are eligible for unemployment, are they? Ive never actually looked into it. Im in Canada so ill have to look that up
All employees are eligible for unemployment regardless of age. Now, eligible vs getting a unemployment check might be "more trouble than it's worth" but there is no difference between a 16 year old who has worked beyond a 'probationary period' (normally 30 to 90 days) getting unemployment due to 'retaliation' than a 30 or 60 year old getting unemployment for the same reason. (This example, told manager would contact corporate - manager fired employee by not scheduling employee)
As I understand US Labor law, which is so deliberately convoluted in every US state it is easier to just "get another job".
And as soon as you "get another job" why get unemployment payments since you have an income (ignoring the lack-of income for the weeks you were unemployed) Standard tactic is to oppose all unemployment claims at first and hope claimant (employee) just "gives up".
In Ronda Santis's Florida, you hire home schoolers so you can work them as manby hours as you want. https://www.wfla.com/news/florida/florida-lawmakers-pass-child-labor-law-exempting-homeschool-students/
And do they know how much the quality of a business suffers when there is constant turnover in employees? If only teenagers do a job you’re only getting a few years at most out of each employee, but more likely you have employees listing for months at a time and getting replaced. Even if they’re not teens they’re people who see no reason to care about their job because it’s an atmosphere of people constantly coming and going.
Those entitled little shits can go to night school!
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They also have homework after school hours are over as well. In reality these jobs are never and have never been done by teenagers ever and anyone who thinks they are is an absolute out of touch dumbass.
That’s why REPUBLICANS are trying to force kids back back to work! Oh and not give them the same rights as other workers! Win win!
That's why we need to defund school! God, what is it with you people?
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Teenagers need to pay rent in some cases so I never got that argument.
At the mc'd's i worked at in the 90's, morning/day shift was for ex-cons/probation, and retired folks weekly a part time job.
Almost as easy for managers to exploit, but without those pesky school schedules and labor laws.
If you can't afford to pay your employees a living wage then you can't afford to run a business. That simple.
"But workers aren't entitled to..."
A person isn't entitled to owning a company. Companies are not entitled to workers. This shit ain't hard.
100% I agree with your statement.
also they need fix/modernize min wage then scale it with inflation ever 5 years or something.
I’d love to see minimum wage indexed to cost of living. I don’t think it’s necessarily fair that some guy in exurban Idaho has to pay enough for life in San Francisco or that a janitor in New York has to live on wages calculated for Kansas. Tie regional COL to wages and watch a lot of problems get fixed. All of a sudden, business owners will get real interested in keeping rents affordable.
Yeah, tying to a COLA is trivial.
Folks always make a huge song and dance about paying for it in big cities, but we've done this for ages. It's just there's no real political willpower to correct this behavior because it's useful to draw out certain types to vote for you when you've got it on your ballet on both sides of the political equation.
We could probably find a sweet spot to locking rent to property tax and lock property tax increases to a certain token % each year, maybe with inflation. I'd much prefer that over paying the same low property tax for 10 years then having it triple on you overnight after amazon builds a warehouse and they need to "reassess" everyone's taxes.
I'm no expert in economics , in fact I don't know much about it at all. I do know thay pay is to low , there aren't enough jobs that hire ex offenders, cost of living keeps going up. something needs to change.
I've been thinking on this lately, and have come to believe that a large chunk of the population (MAGA) literally want corporatecracy. They believe that corporations have the right to rule.
It explains so much. PPP loans, tax cuts, "job creators," "communism," "no one wants to work," Citizens United, etc.
They are a couple swing states away from enshrining our peasant status permanently. No more self-determination, that is for our betters to determine for us.
The useful idiots are very useful indeed.
The word you are flailing for is “serf”, there. That’s where they want to go. A step beyond merely peasants.
It reminds me of Downton Abbey. The staff had to ask the landlords/family permission for personal time on their days off.
I truly support people being able to start businesses, I think it’s important that we don’t all end up under the thumb of 3 enormous conglomerates, but it seems like better grants/loans would be a better solution than allowing new companies to exploit workers. Paying staff is a really important part of business and should be accounted for before it even starts. If governments want to support small businesses then that would be the way forward. It shouldn’t be on workers to prop up small businesses
Small business can’t compete because big business has effectively written the regulations. Walmart pays less for everything, including taxes, than Papa’s local store. Papa’s only got room to move on labor costs, so he pays less and then Walmart matches that salary because “that’s the market.” But instead of calling for regulations that would level the field, Papa whines that “nobody wants to work anymore” and blames “damn government regulations” and then does Walmarts work for them by voting against regulations.
Big business has scale on its side. Scale factor is an enormous boon.
HOW DARE YOU throw my workers out on the street! My workers make the last buggy whips manufactured in the USA and if you force me to pay more than $2/hour we will go down the tubes.
Other People’s Money reference? Nice!!!
If you work 40 hrs a week, you should be able to live indoors and eat food. If you cant pay that amount to an employee, you don’t have a viable business. The idea the some jobs should have such horrible pay that it encourages you to get further education is just a self-justification for exploitation.
Right. There's no shame in not being able to run a company, not everybody's up for it. But hey, not to worry, you won't starve - I'm sure you'll be able to get an "easy" job paying minimum wage at the diner down the road. I'm sure you'll be perfectly happy doing that. Right?
Exactly. I work for a small mom and pop shop that has 3 employees, I work full time and the other 2 work part time and all 3 of us get $18.50/hr
This company has been around for less than 5 years and survives in a niche market in a suboptimal location for people to discover us and yet we are still successful, paying employees a living wage, all while growing.
Not to mention this is literally a mom and pop shop, the owners are a couple with no prior business owning/running experience or schooling. Just 2 normal people with a dream.
If they can make it work while paying their employees a living wage then so can other businesses. We can't afford to have all 3 employees on as full time yet sadly but we pay them as much as we can and give them extra days where we can. They both came in knowing it would be part time and are fine with that and already had other part time jobs before working for us.
Meanwhile my roommate works at a successful nationwide chain restaurant making federal minimum wage + tips except for when they decide to change her schedule from serving every day to being in the back or hosting where she can't make any tips and then she comes home from a full shift having made like $40 total after tax.
A mom and pop shop pulling in $250k/year can pay their employees a living wage but a company pulling $58m in revenue last year can't... Make that make sense.
Yep. No one owes anyone anything. You don’t owe your labor and they don’t owe you a wage. You have to come to an agreement on that trade or don’t do it.
More or less, every one agrees with your sentence. The primary issue is that people are not in agreement about what constitutes a livable wage.
Completely untrue. The US Reight believes most jobs are "starter" jobs for kids and don't require a livable wage. Or at least that's what they say.
It was not a business that is sustainable and by the laws of capitalism it should die...
Exactly. Why is he making it our problem? He’s the one that’s bad at business!
Satire aside, $3 between 4 employees at 40 hours a week is $480/week and an average monthly cost of $2064. If your profit margins are that razor thin that you can't afford that then your business clearly is not in a place to be able to have 4 employees period.
I've had to argue with my Econ professor as to why suppressed wages mean that demand will decrease, given that high or even sustainable wages are one of the few positive externalities attributable only to business that charities can't do better. How does a student know about the Income Effect on the demand curve but the teacher doesn't?
I’m an Econ professor, and I can tell you there’s an awful lot of curmudgeons out there, especially amongst the older generations of Econ. The field has changed a lot faster than they’d have liked.
Difference between business economics(capitalism 101) and actual economics is quite stark but a lot of schools in America don’t bother explaining the difference.
How difficult is it to understand: I have more money, I spend more money; I have less money, I spend less money?
At much higher compensations an increase in money doesn't necessarily mean an equivalent increase in spending because people start saving or investing, but that doesn't really apply to lower wage hourly workers.
So... the people who make up the vast majority of the economy. I would think that almost all studied economists wouldn't consider the small outliers (literally <2% of the population) as indicative of the whole. Even if they spend more, as stated, they don't spend nearly as much as the rest, therefore, the economy of the rich isn't the economy.
I'm not talking about top 2% of earners I'm thinking middle or upper middle class. You give $1k to someone making 30k a year and they'll probably spend it all on necessities. You give the same to someone making ~$80k a year they may save some portion of it rather than spending all of it.
But they'll still spend more.
I took a macroeconomics course in the late 2000s at a community college. The professor feigned for Reagan and taught a bunch of bullshit that doesnt work in reality. It was infuriating.
That's hilarious, considering concentration-of-wealth-is-bad-for-economies isn't a new argument. Just a bunch of old Boomer economists who bought trickle-down economics/"pure" capitalism and are too stubborn to admit defeat.
Because economics is more of an ideology than a science.
Yes, economists like those adhering to the Chicago school are more normative than they'd like to admit. Their value judgments just aren't terribly moral or concerned with social/environmental externalities.
They like to use the term "positive economics" to describe data backed trend analysis, but it all quite suspiciously ends up coming to the conclusion that favored them anyhow.
I had to report that professor and get a formal reprimand issued because she used a Heritage Foundation ideologue (with charged rhetoric to match) as a learning material on unions. His content boiled down to 'union bad'.
Because econ is a self affirming pro-capitalist enslavement ideology. It's circular reasoning through and through. Econonics is the study of the best practices for economy -> the economy of the US is the best economy because of our metrics that gauge what a good economy is -> our metrics of a good economy are based on the US economy because it is the best economy -> economics should only teach the best economic practices -> the best economic practices are what the US economy does -> because the US economy is the best economy
Over and over and over again
can you keep arguing this, endlessly? because there’s just not enough of us out there saying “a rising tide lifts all boats” when it comes to wages and their effect on demand in economies.
if i was ever a politician i’d be rigging the system in every which way to force google & all tech, banks etc to pay local workers to do tech support, apple to pay genius staff a commensurate wage, banks to exit any and all robotellers, create tax incentives for manufacturing locally, just every possible measure to incentivize paying US workers higher wages and especially for key tele and e-support service jobs. weve lost so much spending power in our economy to needlessly outsourcing critical support jobs so trillion dollar market cap companies can save a few $? and now forbes is trying to blame millenials for eating avo toast or whatever..
payrolls, bolster them with local talent, now.
Also an econ professor here. I agree with the other comment that many professors should have retired a long time ago.
Unfortunately however, part of being taken seriously is speaking the language. Your point is specifically about general equilibrium effects. Misusing terms like externalities, as well as freely making normative statements about charities are academic taboos that will prevent some economists from listening to what you have to say.
Where... where does your econ professor think that people get the money to buy things, exactly? Do they think that Cletus and Wanda just tap into their respective trust funds in order to pay for their expenses when the Mississippi minimum wage proves not up to snuff?
It's not just about being razor thin, it's often about the business owner simply wanting that extra 24k for themselves.
Idk why it feels like people just kind of ignore this, but you're right. It's mostly this.
Would love to pay my employees more, but struggling to make a profit as is, it’s not like running a small business is all sunshine and rainbows.
Don't forget that the employer pays part of your social security/medicare taxes, workman's comp, unemployment and health benefits.
I’ve been told that for every dollar of pay there is at least a dollar taxes/other expenses that a business need to pay just to have an employee
My boss and I did the math back when I was making $15/hr and I cost him a total of a little under $20/hr once taxes and benefits got figured in. Its not nothing but it’s far from 100% markup
Yeah, my average guess for my employees is 30%, but it definitely varies.
Yeah, your taxes and healthcare costs skyrocket when you’re self employed. Not to mention PTO, 401K matches, etc. Most self employed don’t work less than 60 hours a week as well unless it’s supplemental self-employment like consulting on the side, gig work, etc.
I'm not sure on the exact amount. It really depends on the industry. Employees often overlook what an employer actually pays.
The employer pays that? In Canada they just deduct it from the workers pay
Both pay
In my opinion, small business owners need to start blaming the right people: the corporations. They're the ones driving prices up, they're the ones eliminating competition from small businesses.
Exactly, this is no different than people upset at exploited immigrants working for peanuts rather than upset at the people that hire them for cheap labor. It’s propaganda all around.
Yeah the rich have been successful in changing the narrative in their favor and gaslighting us into blaming the working class and immigrants when none of us have control over our situation. The rich however hold all of the cards, such as it is in an oligarchy.
Small business owners are held up as pious during every election. They eat it up, then are completely baffled when the politicians who kiss their asses leave them for the fat cats who pay the politicians' bills.
Small business is much closer to the rest of us than the mega-corps.
Yeah every politician runs on the platform of being pro-small business but then once they're in office they turn their backs on them and support their corporate overlords. Usually what follows is some excuse that if we don't appease the rich they'll leave. Fucking leave then and they should be branded as traitors.
Same thing with how they are treating credit cards now.
"There will be a 3% surcharge if you use a credit card."
Bullshit. There has always been a fee with using a credit card. Businesses have always covered that because YOU GET MORE BUSINESS when you allow people to use credit cards.
Would you rather have 200 customers a day that use credit cards...or 50 customers a day that use cash?
Credit cards offer me protection, give rewards/bonuses, and don't require me to carry around loads of cash. And people tip BIGGER when they can use credit cards. Businesses are shooting themselves in the foot by nickel and diming their customers on the cost of simply doing business.
If credit cards are really responsible for eating into your profits, don't accept them. Don't pass the cost onto the customer.
I've always said the only reason we got a Burger King, McDonalds, Wendy's, Starbucks, Five Guys, PApa John's etc. every 300 feet down the road from each other is due to these low damn wages...
I often say if slavery were legal, there would be slaves at McDonalds.
I’ve got news for you bud.
Doubt it. McDonald’s would have to provide food, housing, healthcare, and of course security (not for slaves’ safety) when the employee could just work 2 other jobs to do the same thing at no expense to McDonald’s
That's what prisons are for.
Have you tried getting more money from your parents?
Business owners could always just fire all of their employees and do all of the work themselves
Or do what they do when they dont have enough money which is find a partner and share profits. But they dont want to do that because that would reduce their 4 international vacations a year.
Then they'd bitch about being being too cheap to afford fast food.
How….. what kinda of shitty ass business are you running that can’t take a “hit” like that? Learn to business better and don’t be greedy.
Damn near every corporate fast food joint operates this way in my state (I imagine it’s not much better outside CA TBQH). I always point to In N Out burger when I hear the argument that owners can’t afford to pay a little bit more or staff more people.
If you don’t know, In N Out manages to employ like 30 people a night while paying out $3-5 over minimum wage. Even Chic Filet has figured this thing out and they are getting “boycotted” in my state.
Yeah mcdonalds here is running 3 people’s positions as a single position now. Always slow. Same price as CFA, but CFA has 20 staff and you’re guaranteed to be helped the second you walk in.
Try getting staffs attention politely at McDonald’s and you’ll have to give up
The last time I went to my local McDs to get breakfast, the lady running expeditor told me to use the computer kiosk in the lobby to order. The corporation literally CUT the cashier job completely from that transaction….
Yep. And in 2024 every time someone walks in who hasn’t already ordered online/delivery is someone who is tech illiterate. When I worked there we had another high schooler JUST being the attendant to help with the kiosk and cashier for the people with cash / grandmas. We technically had two people purely cashier and FOH cleaning. Straight up disappeared positions entirely now… guarantee that lobby hasn’t had more than a dirty mop since I last deep cleaned it half a decade ago - no one workers there that has the time to deep clean
now that’s my unpaid job while I wait on a DoorDash order and feel bad for the people struggling at the kiosk :/
And it's not like their food is that expensive, either! In my neighborhood, a Big Mac meal is $15.39. An In-N-Out Double-Double meal is $10.45.
It’s satire
And it's funny as hell because there is an element of truth to it.
Based hbomber
Mom and pop shops treating employees as badly as possible for minimum wage with no health Insurance while providing a bad product and bad service : we are the life blood of the economy !
Right this had to be one of the biggest wake up calls for me in life when I realized all these mom and pop shops were run by people just as shitty as the shittiest CEOs. There are some that are good but they are in no way the rule.
What about the billion dollar companies that ask for a bailout at the slightest sign of a dip in profits.
The it sounds like this company doesn’t need to exist if it can’t pay people appropriately to work there.
Your business was never meant to be if it can't afford that
Adapt. Living wages are a human right.
I should think small business owners should be most upset with corporate price gouging, landlords ruthlessly raising rents, and monopolistic utilities charging outrageous prices. The cost of living is skyrocketing because power corporations have control over our resources and there is little to no regulation to stop them from raising prices. Workers need more to get by and the small businesses aren't making as much so their ability to employ people is deteriorating further driving workers to the ever growing corporate work force. These corporations treat people like machines and again, there is little in the way of regulating protection for workers.
Curre day democrats have some policies that address these issues but they are too few and too weak. Republicans on the other hand have been shamelessly selling out American workers to "private interests" since Reagan promising that completely unregulated economies are the path to maximal success. They never told us that they only measure that success in dollars and that those dollars disproportionately accumulate with the rich by design.
Your “growth” shouldn’t come at the expense of labor/cost of living for your employees. If you can’t afford to pay people then you shouldn’t grow yet as a business. You can’t stiff the manufacturers for the bills for the equipment you use for your business and yet people think it’s ok to do this with people who have bills to pay
That’s an extra $6k per year, per employee. If you can’t afford that, you have a scaling problem and probably don’t need 4 employees.
If a business can’t survive without paying reasonable wages, it‘s most likely a business that‘s not profitable and competitive enough to be a valid business. It should fail. It shouldn’t be a welfare program for its owner(s).
You mean you can't afford your overhead, then you don't get to be in business that's how business works
It sounds like they are finding a scapegoat for their "failed business"
If you can't afford to pay your help, your business model sucks and it should fail.
Tell these people to their face (or their post/whatever) if they can't afford to pay their workers what they are worth then they shouldn't be in business. I do.
Don't completely hate this guy everyone.
Commercial landlords crank the rent worse than home landlords.
My favourite cheap chinese food place ($6 for 2 toppings on a ton of rice), been there 40 years, in a depressed/crack ridden part of china town, had it's rent doubled.
It had to shut down. And when it moved out, nothing. No business moved in, just like all the other vacant storefronts.
Pure greed.
100% satire. Guy who's failing at running a business is going to tell you how the economy should run 'successfully'.
You didn’t have to explain the joke. We know it’s satire.
It's Hbomberguy, this guy is the king of taking the piss
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How many hours do you put into said business a week? Need more details.
This is satire
Says every gop LOL tRUMP suppoRteR..
Paying more cuts into profits.
Maybe skip the lattés dude!
every 5$ an hour is 10k more a year at 40 hrs a week . I get that wages are stagnant but thats not an insignificant amount of money
It used to be that mom and pop shops were run by mom and pop. With starvation wages they can afford to not have to run it themselves and can pursue other interests. A living wage wouldn’t put them out of business but it might put them behind the register with everyone else.
They think they deserve pay even with a failing business. They should be the first to have their pay docked.
Compared to the US government that sounds like a very responsibly managed entity.
Assuming those workers were originally getting paid $20/hour and assuming all four work full time, that's an increase of $25,000/year, or roughly 13%. If you can't figure out how to accommodate a 13% in labor costs (which of course is less than 13% of overall costs), you might want to reconsider the margins you're operating at.
Lmfao tell me you love big corporations without saying it
OK, good, seems like you are shit in running a business and doing math
Got into it with my dad yesterday about this, he was complaining about fast food workers in California getting $20 an hour. He went on about them not being able to afford to pay them that much and a lot of businesses are leaving, price increases blah blah blah. I said if they can’t afford to pay them enough to live on then they have a failed business model and if they are shocked by the sudden minimum wage then they shouldn’t have lobbied to suppress the minimum wage for so long. If min wage kept up with inflation there wouldn’t be such drastic increases, but when you keep putting it off eventually you have to rip the bandaid off. I gave him the more extreme example of southern states relying slave labor for so long that it crippled their economy when it was banned. They had bloated income for the people up top and tried their best to cut all labor out of their balance sheets. They got so used to other people doing their work while they collected the money for it that when regulations caught up their balance sheets blew up. Businesses run on poor business models deserve to fail and be replaced with ones that appropriately pay their labor. Companies shouldn’t be pushing growth to satisfy their shareholders they should be pushing growth to satisfy those that deliver the growth. They’ve gotten the benefit of trickle down economics for too long, that when their wrung out to dry they have no water for themselves and that’s their problem. When you pay your c suit and top dogs millions and then complain when your $10 an hour workers are fed up you don’t deserve to have workers. Trim the fat at the top and give the workers equity.
You should be able to easily give a $3/hr raise to 10,000 employees if they are all making you money. If you can’t afford to pay employees a fair wage; let someone else run the business.
Sounds like you might want to work on your business plan before blaming the economy
This is just Hbomberguy being funny. He must know it's not a good argument. Do we think that only people who are successful under this economic system can level critiques against it? Obviously we don't believe that.
But it's always funny to take conservative small business owners down a notch.
3 X 40 X 52 = 6240 x number of employees
3 dollars is a lot. If you are a very small business with just you a 3 employees, that's 25k extra per year. You're really going to mock a small business for not being able to afford 25k?
lol, it’s already a failed business…
Thays ridiculous, businesses with 7 or less employees are exempted from everything. Like the family medical leave act? Sorry not sorry, you arent entitled to it until your compamy reaxhes 52 people.
Just saying little and big busineeses both get breaks, but you the person? Nah, you get taxed when you receive and when you spend money.
Damn when did redditors start despising small business owners lmao praying for their downfall. Cause the world will be so much better when they all go out of business and only walmart is left. I'm sure walmart will continue to treat their employees much better than mom and pop
What he's saying is that he believes certain jobs need to be staffed, but those workers deserve to be underpaid.
Since 3$/hr for three employees means 18000$ more in payroll per year, I can see how a small business might have to lay off people.
Why run a failed business? If your labor costs going up $12/hr (ok $18/hr because of additional costs to business beyond just the pay raise) then your profit margin must be less than that... or are you unwilling to see your own cut/take/percentage of the profits go down?
Also lives in a large house drives a Mercedes, sends his kids to private school, takes 4 international vacations a year, golfs multiple times during the work week and weekend. Says people dont want to work anymore.
All the while ... sitting in your office doing nothing acting like the King, paying yourself first and running the company with what's left over .... 'Merica ... this has been the problem for a few decades. (and then getting a fat tax write-off after you shut it down)
Because it's the small business owners buying the yachts and McMansions and our government with their billions.
Don't let the oligarchs divide us.
Don't forget that person also demands a $50 million dollar increase every year to make poor decisions and play golf.
Next up: "How I turned my lemonade stand into a Fortune 500 company with this one simple trick!
I will never understand how rich people in the US are able to tell poor people that the reason they are poor are the 3$ more/hour of other people. Or their foodstamps. Or healthcare. Or anything else that a first world country in 2024 sees as normal.
Ronald Reagan did such a great job in telling the US Citizens that anything benefitial to them would end in socialism and communism. Just to cut any costs and prevent the failcascade of the country already back then.
I say give me everyone 50.00 an hour. It will all work out. And then give everyone making 50.00 an hour today, 100.00 an hour. What harm could come from paying people a living wage.
Many businesses have a low operating margin. This is the sort of thing that seems like insight unless you know the issue or think about it for more than two seconds.
Let them decide who gets a rais and who gets fired
Yes, small business owners are the problem...
What a GOAT 🙌
Oh and we sell plastic bottles with tap water in them. We don't really have a product but that will be 19.95 please.
The law applies to "National Fast Food Chains," which are limited-service restaurants with more than 60 locations nationwide.
Small businesses do suck but I don’t think this is a revelation.
Russia good Putin suck a little bit of a pp
Ugh... No. What you're supposed to do is open up a small business when you have children, and then force those children to do all the menial shit that you refuse to do. And if your children protest, scream about how you're putting a roof over their head and food in their belly and the least that they can do is clean the whole store.
Yeah, child slavery already exists in America. It's just that people find it acceptable if it is parents doing it because "the kids are learning a valuable lesson". Yeah, that lesson being "work or get your ass beat".
If you don't want to get paid $3/hr, don't take a job that pays $3/hr.
Real 200 IQ stuff
So do you want trillion dollar mega companies calling the shots or small businesses that do enough to get by? Why shit on the little guys?
Applebee's, is that you?
Mr Krabs logic
I mean, ANY moron can run a shitty business if they are allowed to have relative slave labor. Make a shirt product that you try to sell it to $50 but no one wants to buy it? Just lower the price to $20 and fire 17% of your employees and cut the pay of everyone else by 20%. You’ll profit!!! You’re a complete piece of shit and will be murdered in the revolution! But you’re making profit now!
If all wages go up then more people will have money to come spend in your business, no?
Lmfao.
If you run a business that can't survive while paying living wages, then you should be out of business.
We shouldn't allow any business to exist that isn't sustainable. Plain and simple. We also shouldnt allow any job to exist with below living wage.
The problem with this is that many small businesses can't afford it, so when they all go under from the financial pressure only the big corporate stores will be left... Walmart has been killing small businesses for years.
If it's already a failed business, then it's not surprising that higher labor costs would shut it down. Better luck with your next endeavor.
Aww yes, lets take shots at small business owners who are barely scarping by instead of the multi billion dollar mega corporations that own virtually everything on earth.
Stahp eating avocado toast!
$3 per hour, four employees. So $12. After payroll fees and taxes that $12 is about $16.50.
$16.50 x 8 hour shift is $132.
X 30 days $3960 per month $47,520 per year. Y’all have no idea how the world works.
Small business owners need to make a living and it is rarely very much we aren’t landlords. Adding a sudden $47,520 expense to my business is not a small deal it is a big deal. A business with 4 employees isn’t likely pushing millions in revenue.
“Oh your business plan is BS or you have a failed business”
We’re not talking about one or two weird niche businesses that cannot make it we are talking ALL small businesses. Coffee Shops that aren’t main stream, florists, service workers, roofers, EVERYONE is having real tough times making it because the government, especially in California, taxes the everloving shit out of us and our costs are astronomical for space of any kind.
If we pass the extra cost off to the customer then we lose customers for being more expensive.
It is SUCH a hard thing to put the time, effort, and money into your own business to make it work. To make just enough to pay bills and get by. It seems really easy for people to scoff and render judgement when a business cannot afford a $3 raise that costs an extra $50k a year to implement. You wouldn’t work for free why should we? Should we just say goodbye to small businesses? Why is it our fault that the economy is stacked in every way against us and it is HARD to pay a proper wage.