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Zelensky: Ukraine only has 25% of needed air defense capabilities
how much of that $61 billion is left? it's been a while since the last installment
how much of that $61 billion is left?
Only half of it was for Ukraine.
And only half of this half was for weapons within foreseeable future
What? The package was $ 95bn and $61 bn was for Ukraine
$61 bn was for Ukraine
A lot of that 61 was for the US to replenish its own stocks
Very little has been sent from America, even less has arrived in Ukraine, and even less still has been distributed and delivered. The aid will only really start arriving in July and much of it won't even be produced in several years. War logistics isn't snapping fingers.
He wants 25 patriot systems and 130 modern fighters. More than what UK has. Based on recent sales cost of fighters to Turkey that would be $100B.
Well the UK isn’t at war with one of the biggest and most aggressive nations on earth. Ukraine is also much larger, so it makes sense to need more equipment.
You are right, and the politics is about to mean they bury their heads further up their asses about the whole situation! Elections are never good for promoting action...
So 3 billion per NATO countries ? Seem doable.
Anybody can print The issue is having the actual product. That many Patriots systems is a lot based on my understanding.
Only 240 have ever been delivered worldwide. And those countries have already given up what they can is my understanding unless they want to just have nothing left
The UK isn’t at war and it does have the Royal Navy and it’s part of NATO, which is a massive force multiplier.
I love your enthusiasm! Royal navy 😅 I truly hope they can step up when it counts! The royal navy hasn't had to face a force on force engagement since October 1944. Sinking of the Belgrano does not count, and failing to defend itself at Stanley doesn't either.
And much less than what RF has.
Does Ukraine have money to buy this stuff?
The Russians occupy 2 trillion in natural resources alone. I’m sure UA can make some nice deals
Dreams. Ukraine can't even reclaim its land, more so it's loosing it's territories at this very moment.
That’s why more weapons, more dead ruzzians, take land back
You’re delusional. $380 billion so far and Russia is still advancing.
It’s like saying to your kid “you’ve ate 200k worth of food over your entire life, why are you starving to death when I stopped feeding you”
Because that funding dried up
But you’re clearly a bad actor so I don’t know why I’m responding
Sure US spend 17T on Iraq and Afghanistan… so far 0,38T to destroy +50% of RU forces.
A few hundred million to cripple your decades long nemesis without losing a soldier? That's some good value. I'm struggling to think of anything the US gained from Iraq 2 and Afghanistan
Ukraine took back 1/2 of what Russia took. Have you seen those maps with all the green and red colors?
Of corse they can take it back USSR could not take Afghanistan Nor the USA for that matter.big countries lose to small ones all the time.
Can't reclaim about 20% of its territories and loosing just as we speak
Ok so you are saying Russia did not get forced out of Kiev. Sumi and Kerson?
Or are you saying those victories where a long time ago and we should focus on the 0.5% gains that came as a result of 7 months of no US support?
And gave up on taking Kharkiv
I wont say that for a few more weeks. That kind of large town Volschanks is under threat but yea the advance is slowing down
Can I ask where you get your news. Russia is winning the information war.
Also what did your posts look like 18 months ago when Russia was obviously running?
Ukraine fights a common enemy of the west. The question is, does the west have this kind off money? Yes, they have. So: no problem.
The west also has over 300 billion of frozen assets. I believe its also enough to cover it.
He's going to end up pissing off every nation if he just expects unrealistic support. Isn't the USA aid they just passed a 1 giant package and that's it deal? Nations need to see results with what they've already sent/sending. If Ukraine can't holdback Russia with some patriots, modern tanks, f16s etc then they can't expect more
The US Department of Defense spent something like $750 billion on the second Iraq war, going up against a bunch of disorganised sand people with shitty hardware.
Ukraine has so far recieved in total aprox. $250 billion.
Granted, the US-engagement lasted 7 years, but presumably, the force Ukraine is facing is much more competent, and is comparably very high tech.
It's not obvious, by the numbers, that Ukraine is sufficiently well equipped.
Russia didn't crumble on day one like Husseins dudes, and has since ramped up military production by a crazy amount.
Ukraine has so far recieved in total aprox. $250 billion.
Was granted - "received" massively less.
It's not unrealistic. And it will be more expensive to stop Russia in nato ground. I'm not pissed for them asking. I'm pissed our politicians don't make their requests happen. I'm also pissed that we haven't wiped Russia from the map with conventional weapons, as a warning.
Riddle me this. Why would NATO arm Ukraine more than it's own nations, and risk that tech falling into russian hands, instead of fighting it themselves or accepting a loss
- Because its own nations include PEOPLE, who will die, no matter how good NATO is
- Because the Western civilizations are not used to war
- Because its so much easier to arm someone, than to arm yourselves in time
- What tech? Everything that is being sent is before the 2000s
What tech?
Listen to that general: https://www.voanews.com/a/us-commanders-in-poland-see-russian-threat-as-near-term/7613615.html
What tech? We haven't send any tech yet. Believe me, it would be apparent to Ruskies if we sent any tech. Can you imagine what a squadron of F-22s would do to that joke army? Nah, we just send a bunch of cold war stuff.
As for why not fight them on our own countries... I don't know, maybe because we don't want our soldiers and citizens to die? Or having to rebuild villages. It's cheaper to fight on foreign ground than your own.
Its actually the other way round. The west provides insufficient and way too late support and expects miracles from an outgunned and outnumbered nation. Absolute numbers dont matter as russia throws way more in.
Ukraine was supplied and expected to achieve at least something during their last offensive and it achieved nothing. It's expected to at least hold Russia back with what it's being given now. If it can't then it's a sunk cost fallacy at that point
They achieved a reality check for themselves and their allies.
Sunk cost fallacy is the thing that keeps russia going, not ukraine. Its funny how you reverse uno everything, smells like ivan.
I just don't buy into the idea that Ukraine will win and the west should just find it the entire time instead of boots on ground at some point
eventually that will be the case but the situation needs to be even more dire for the western population to support such a move in majority 😕
its realistic, is the thing
Going to have to turn to cheaper methods.
Barage balloons come to mind
They also need to recruit and train more soldiers. Granted conscription won’t be popular but they’re playing political football while men on the front struggle and tire.
Russia meanwhile is throwing troops from all over into the meat grinder and replenishing them fast.
Hoping if they don’t sort home recruiting soon that other avenues of troop replenishment become available.
Don't get me wrong. I understand the need for air defense but isn't this like treating the symptoms of a problem rather than the cause?
Money would be better spent on offensive weapons to take out the source of the aerial attacks.
Aerial superiority is an important aspect of offensive capability
He talks about "parity" (quote), not any "aerial superiority".
He also talk about what he needs for Ukrainians to be able to keep the lines in defence, not some "offensive capability".
It's about keeping away the glide bombers.
Indeed, offense is the best defense. Destroy the planes and the airfields, kill the pilots, destroy the missile factories, and tackle the problem at the source.
Money would be better spent on offensive weapons to take out the source of the aerial attacks.
Okay, name one long-range Western weapon systems that fits those parameters.
500...1000km range
300kg or more payload.
Can be supplied to Ukraine without firing restrictions.
Oh wait, there's none.
So until this last part changes, air defense it is.
The Patriots are being used offensively to take out Russian jets, although at the risk of losing the radar and launchers.
No, they’re being used defensively… Patriot is an air defense system
Yeah, and the Department of War was renamed the Department of Defense, names don't change anything. They aren't using them in their intended capacity, they're getting them close to the front lines and shooting down anything they can reach. They shot down an A-50 AWACS plane with an S-200, those are air defense systems too.
:/! The A-50 was already in the air helping Russian assets attack Ukraine. Therefore, by striking back at it, that was a DEFENSIVE manoeuvre. I’m not sure how else to communicate this…
If Ukraine uses sabotage, air to surface missiles, attack drones etc. to hit that A-50 on the ground for example, that’s an OFFENSIVE move.
Try to conduct offensive when the enemy can lob bombs, rockets and missiles at you unimpeded. I understand it might not be a common knowledge, but at least use some logic.
I agree. It is time to stop screwing around here.
It is costing too much and does not need to happen.
Which I guess the current U.S administration feels is a sufficiently small number to entice Russia to continue the war and dig its grave deeper.
Is that what Europe wants though?
It doesn't hurt to ask when you are desperate.
Maybe he and his friends can sell their mansions in Spain. One of his BFFs just bought a Rolls Royce Spectre too 😂
Keep swindling US tax payers tho
Did they debunk the comedians and his friends purchases of large 10m+ villas in Spain too?
People should assume you led with your strongest claim. That claim has now been debunked, and your credibility has been lost.
I'm disabling replies. Thank you.
This isn’t an airport you don’t need to make announcements on your plans lol ur not that important
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