Most Redditors Are Porn Addicts In Denial

Sex / Gender / Dating

I was browsing the "Top" section and there was a post about some girl on Twitter who "could smell when men masturbated less than a week ago" (Bullshit of course) But what surprised me the most, was the thousands of comments of men saying "If you don't masturbate daily, you're either asexual, or lying" Or stuff like that.

And it's like, no, lmao. I work, I talk and play with my pets and family members, I do things that I enjoy like going to the gym, going out on my bike, hangout with friends, etc, and I can go for 1 or 2 weeks without masturbating to porn. When I have a gf I can even go for months without masturbating if we have sex regularly.

So, why are Redditors such masturbation and porn avid fans? Why don't they believe me when I say I can go for months without fapping?

PS: I'm not saying fapping is bad btw, it's just not the main thing in my life.

in TrueUnpopularOpinionby ChocolateJesus33

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KananJarrusEyeBalls

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Sometimes I can go a week or more without

Sometime I do it 3 times a day

Really just a feeling that needs be addressed when it shows up

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Fyi, men have a hormonal cycle as well

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yeah this is me as well. I'm even on TRT and my testosterone on last check up was 1200, which is getting a tad bit high and even I don't masturbate more than a few times a week.

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1200 means your testicles aren’t producing and you’re completely shut down. Check that liver and don’t do it for to long.

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Have to do it for life. liver panels are good. I get checked ever quarter.

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1200 is high, make no mistake.

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We are working to bring it down.

Background-Print-826

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Preach

But for real, we all have needs. Porn isn't healthy. That's what society would have us turn to. If you go with the flow, be prepared to get wet. Just wear a swimsuit

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I mean it doesn’t “need” to be addressed.

Lord_of_Caffeine

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True.

Certainly not with porn.

Lord_of_Caffeine

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Really just a feeling that needs be addressed when it shows up

Depending on the person, sure. But you don´t need porn for that.

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Self rationalization is crazy man.

I'm convinced people in general fap more than they used to. Jobs are way less physical than they used to be, media consumption is at an all time high, porn is more accessible than ever. And meanwhile everyone's damn lonely. So yeah, regardless of whether fapping is "bad," it's more prevalent now than ever, and exhibit A is men who are chronically online (Redditors).

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Being a gay man and have spoken with many older men about their masturbation habits, I can tell you that a significant portion of men have been daily wankers for at least the last hundred years and probably since the dawn of man.

massivecalvesbro

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Lol I was gonna say fapping has and always will be a popular activity no matter how many people online tell you that it’s bad or irregular

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Just trying to get the poison out so i can think straight

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Fair enough. I have not done such market research.

WolfmansGotNards2

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Well, get to it.

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You must first establish the mean jerk time, it doesn't matter, but, hypothetically, time is equal to n/2 total jerks at a two-dick rate.

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So you talked to some older gay men about their masturbation habits over the years and from that line of questioning determined that everyone has been masturbating daily since the dawn of time?

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What's your take? Did you think that men just discovered masturbation over the last 100 years? Is it really a shock to think that teenage boys have always been horny af and jerk off near or more than daily?

Obviously, what I said was meant to be taken anecdotally. Yes, I've spoken with many men (likely 100s) about this subject, but it hasn't been for science...

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Do I think it's common? Yes.
Do I think most guys do it daily? No.
Do I think that there are sex addicts who do it everyday? Yes.

TheBoogieSheriff

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But does doing it every day make you a sex addict? I don’t think so.

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Cool thing is we're all free to believe anything we want about ourselves

Due_Marsupial_969

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I really started to really date "American" women about 10 years ago. Crazy how many 20-30 year olds open up about porn, vibrators, and frequent masturbation with a guy they've just met a week or two ago. Maybe I come across as a good diary, but dayum...I don't think it's a big deal to the new gen cuz regardless of gender or sexual preference. And yeah, seems every hot girl I knew watches gay porn with her gay dude best buddy. And liked it VS watching hetro women pounded endlessly. Weird.

Lord_of_Caffeine

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What would be more interesting to look at the time per session spent for people of different ages.

I don´t think the whole edging and gooning shit was as prevalent in the pre-highspeed internet era as it is now.

certifiedrotten

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You really think people weren't sexually active because they "worked harder?" The exponential increase in the population of our stupid species disagrees.

Lord_of_Caffeine

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The exponential increase in the population of our stupid species disagrees.

Well. A fucking lot of countries, especially first world countries, tend to have declining birth rates, a lot of them being below replacement so there´s that. Assuming that most people commenting in this thread reside in countries like that, as do I, it´s not us that do the fucking and birthing lmao

certifiedrotten

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The discussion was about the past not the present. I'm all for declining populations. There are too fucking many of us. Of course it makes religious people go a little crazy because they're supposed to keep churning out cherubs.

Lord_of_Caffeine

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A global decline of population might be good, but a lot of countries that have locally declining birthrates really struggle with that. Declining birthrates aren´t necessarilly a good thing.

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Declining birth rates has far more to do with access to effective contraceptives than it does with the amount of fucking going on.

Lord_of_Caffeine

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Yeah contraceptives contribute to it a lot for sure. There´s also the economical factor to consider. It´s getting harder and harder to raise children nowadays because people have to work more for less and most of the normal population has been priced out of raising kids on just one income. That for sure contributes as well.

But people have been fucking less, too.

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No haha, but I do think people's sexual appetites are piqued more than they used to be because of media, porn and our consumer-centric culture. As a dude who works remotely, it's super easy to be undisciplined physically and fall into a pleasure trap, seeking those highs.

certifiedrotten

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I think what you might be referring to without knowing it is that religious oppression guilted people, even married couples, from exploring sexual activities unless specifically to copulate.

No one boned and jerked off like the Romans, Greeks and Egyptians. Here prostitution was legal pretty much everywhere until the mid to late 1800s.

Then in the 60s a backlash started. The greatest generation lost power and then died off. Boomers kept booming.

It's certainly easier than ever to find material to fap too. But I doubt the IT guy at the office jerks off or fucks any more than a farmer in fifteenth century England. This is a curious topic though so I'm gonna find some historical sources on it next time I'm not fapping or having sex with my wife.

Lord_of_Caffeine

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But I doubt the IT guy at the office jerks off or fucks any more than a farmer in fifteenth century England.

Jerking off and fucking are two very different activities, though.

Also, if accounted for duration, I´d bet on people in pre-highspeed internet generations not having had the luxury of wanking it for hours like you could nowadays.

Nor would most of them even wanted to do that.

certifiedrotten

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Both are expressions of a person's sexuality. There's really no difference. And who says you need the internet to jerk off?

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I'm all for more research

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Let’s not forget the role religion played in the past as well. I’m sure more people are wanking than ever before.

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calm down, you are just watching me evolve in real time. don't be jealous i am becoming more

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Interesting you mention physical jobs- when I’d work as a seasonal labourer, I’d have 0 desire to fap after a long day of work, but that didn’t mean I would reject sex with my SO. Definitely a correlation between hard physical labour and sexual discipline for me

OriginallyMyName

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Zoo animals masturbate, free ones don't

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I’m pretty sure we were still fapping before jobs.

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I think out of all the addictions you could have, porn addiction is on the better side. I remember a woman who was convinced alcohol had upsides but porn was only harmful for men. And it's like, if you get addicted to alcohol, it's way worse because you can easily kill your liver.

https://old.reddit.com/r/TrueUnpopularOpinion/comments/173fjwr/all_porn_is_bad_all_of_it/k43r6i1/?context=10000

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selection bias. Redditors interested in porn are more likely to click on (and be shown) posts that have a girl talking about masturbating.

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I have a super high libido. Have sex with my spouse 2-4 times a week, but still masturbate almost every morning when I wake up. It’s not like it takes hours to do. You make it seem like you have to commit half your day to it when it only takes like 10min tops.

I only watch porn maybe once or twice a week.

Having a high libido doesn’t make a person a porn or sex addict.

If you want to see what sex addiction looks like, go watch the movie Shame.

IT sounds like you just have a lower libido, and that ain’t a bad thing.

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You are young, yet. Give it a few years.

I wish I could reach orgasm in 10 minutes.

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I don’t know what you define as young, I’m 36 and my libido is no different than when I was 18

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Turning 39 here and I am the same. If anything my libido is higher now.

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Same

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You missed the point. You said “10 minutes, tops.” I said “you’re young yet.”

I rarely orgasm in under an hour. Much less 10 min.

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Approaching 30 and it’s the same for me as ever, too.

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It's not just Redditors. It's everyone who has some problem with Internet NSFW in general and feels the need to be vocal about it.

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Along the same vein, I've seen Redditors saying how having herpes is completely normal and everyone basically has it......

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I think they're thinking of HPV.

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They're not entirely wrong. HSV-1 is present in the vast majority of the human population. It's estimated that over 66% of people worldwide have it. For example, coldsores are caused by HSV, commonly HSV-1.

It's HSV-2 that is rarer.

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Redditors are the most degenerates creatures in this earth

oracleomniscient

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Masturbation=/=porn consumption. Ejaculating once every one or two days is best for prostate health. More seldom, and cancer risk starts going up.

ChocolateJesus33

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Sorry to disappoint you, but that scientific study was basically fake.

They did it with only men aged 40+, and also they didn't actually proved that those men were masturbating, or NOT masturbating. Most of them could just lie that they did it, or didn't.

For example, most of those men could have been shy of saying they masturbated everyday, so they were put into the "Non masturbators" group with no proof at all.

Also, even if the study was real, it would only affect men over 40 years old, and it only reduces a 20% risk of getting prostate cancer. So nah, call me when they make an actual study with real evidence, not anectodal evidence lol.

oracleomniscient

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This is a very confused interpretation. Study limitations don't necessarily make the study "basically fake".

The cohort they selected were 40+ because only a tiny number of people will develop prostate cancer before that age. They did take self-report data from the participants (there's not really an ethical way to record otherwise), but from multiple periods in those participants' lives, starting 20-29. Their reporting could be inaccurate, but if it were, that would mean that the association would be between rates of prostate cancer and reporting accuracy (lying makes you likelier to develop it, in your example), which makes no sense. Furthermore, the association stayed strong upon both follow-ups based on the original reports.

Saying that it would only affect men over 40 is like saying that smoking only affects people starting in their 50s because that's when they actually start getting lung cancer. The reduction also became more pronounced at a greater rate for those with a higher ejaculation frequency when 20-29 than the other age groups, which is exactly what you'd expect with an effective preventive measure for most cancers.

A 20% reduction shouldn't be dismissed, especially with cancers as common as prostate cancers and a preventive measure as low-risk, low-cost, and free of off-target effects as this.

Call me when you learn the basics of study design and data analysis, and what anecdotal evidence is.

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I think recently people have a very unhealthy relationship with porn and masturbation in general.

I think in the near future we’ll learn that Porn is a lot more harmful than people think.

ChocolateJesus33

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100% agree. The constant dopamine hits of any kind can't be good, either from cocaine, or from porn, doesn't matter.

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And you base this on what evidence, exactly?

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Addiction: Physiological or psychological dependence, as on a substance.

I go to work everyday, I can guarantee you that I am not addicted.

It's at best a small minority witch is addicted to porn, far from a majority.

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I believe the primary component of what makes an addiction an "addiction" is the whether or not the habit causes some form of harm.

ogjaspertheghost

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Working caused harm to a lot of people

InstructionBasic3756

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Lmao bc there’s no dopamine involved from going to work .. so no addiction. Masturbation on the other hand , dopamine hit every time. Moot point you’re making.

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The difference with an addiction, is that you can stop working 2 weeks when going on vacation, and you can stop masturbating/watching porn for 2 weeks when going on vacation.

If you suddenly stop an addictive drug for 2 weeks, you'll have withdrawal symptoms. You cannot just stop an addiction.

Lord_of_Caffeine

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Behavioral addictions are a thing though. Sure they are a different thing from "real" addictions but they are disorders still. Sometimes delibitating at that.

Obvious-Dog4249

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It’s amazing how people can’t figure that out on Reddit.

Lord_of_Caffeine

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Yeah it´s amazing. Especially when gaming disorder is now an thing that´s accepted to be an actual thing. If gaming addiction is real, what makes you think that porn addiction can´t be? Those two things are very similar in how they can hijack your dopaminurgic reward cicuit.

Wait a couple of years and porn addiction will be accepted as a real disorder, too. Only a matter of time.

ThereAreOnlyTwo-

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people can masturbate without porn. this post seems like just another excuse to bash porn.

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I'm not in denial. Now, if you excuse me...

Ihave0usernames

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People are always act horrified when I say me and my partner don’t engage in any type of pornography or masturbation and it’s so telling

Choosemyusername

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Science Stopped Believing in Porn Addiction. You Should, Too

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/201808/science-stopped-believing-in-porn-addiction-you-should-too

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One article isn’t “science”, my dude. Is it peer reviewed? How many control trials ?

What we do know for a fact is porn stimulates the dopaminergic receptors in the brain similar to sugar and cocaine.

Choosemyusername

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Ok how about this reviewed meta-analysis published in a reputable journal then?

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-018-1248-x

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That’s much better. All I was asking for was a better source, not directly coming at your point.

Choosemyusername

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If you had read the original article, this one is in there. And more.

Lord_of_Caffeine

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That´s way too early to claim.

The convesation about porn addiction has only seeped into the mainstream discourse in recent years and more and more people claim they have a problematic relationship with it. I think it´ll take years if not decades until we really understand what regular porn use does to us.

That being said, it´s way too late to dive deep into the link you provided but I don´t buy any of it. Gaming addiction is now accepted as a proper behavioral addictive disorder and if gaming addiction is real (or at the very least is a disorder) it´s not far fetched that porn will be seen as such in the future as well.

Obvious-Dog4249

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And internet addiction too. These people will defend porn till they are blue in the face.

Lord_of_Caffeine

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Yup. But that´s just how coomers are.

It´s dangerous that a lot of people equate masturbation and porn because those things aren´t one and the same and one doesn´t necessitate the other´s presence.

Choosemyusername

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The more we learn, the more it seems it isn’t a real thing.

Here is a meta-analysis:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-018-1248-x

Lord_of_Caffeine

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Interesting. Might take a deeper look at it tomorrow. I´m curious to see how people argue for porn addiction not being a real thing when the scientific community seems to have accepted gaming addiction being a thing. We´ll see.

But from skimming the very first paragraph I already have a bad feelign about this analysis.

The focus of the present work is on those perceptions as they relate to the overarching experience of moral incongruence in pornography use, which is generally thought of as the experience of having one’s behaviors be inconsistent with one’s beliefs.

If that is the focus of this analysis it completely fails to account for people that have a problematic relationship with pornographic contents despite not experiencing their behaviors not being consistent with their beliefs.

And I suspect that, if porn addiction is indeed real, that to be the majority of people suffering from that condition considering how normalized pornographic content and the consumption thereof is. Most people that would have a detrimental relationship to it would then not even be aware of it, making this whole analysis not as robust and accurate as it should be.

Obvious-Dog4249

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Gary Wilson does a great video critiquing these kinds of studies. I’m tired of looking it up and sharing it though and no one probably watches it anyways as it’s over an hour long. But “Perceived Porn Addition” is bullshit. Atheists also get ED from problematic porn use.

Lord_of_Caffeine

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I´m aware of Wilson. It´s been a couple of years since I looked into all of this stuff, though.

Like I said in another comment in response to yours, gaming addiction is an accepted disorder now, so eventually porn will be as well due to how similar these two things are.

Just like porn, gaming isn´t a substance that you will develop a chemical addiction to but both are behavioral disorders that can be seriously debilitating and if one perceives that to be the truth and can´t get him- or herself to moderate their consumption of it what else is it if not disorderly behavior?

Atheists also get ED from problematic porn use.

Exactly. You don´t have to be a god fearing man to have your dick go limp from choking it for hours every day.

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CAP

ChocolateJesus33

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That's not science, you shouldn't believe anything you see on the web lmao

Choosemyusername

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https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-018-1248-x

Ok how about this meta-analysis in a reputable academic journal then?

ChocolateJesus33

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"The present work seeks to construct a model related to problematic pornography use that is clearly derived from empirical literature"

So... We're right? lol

Did you even read that?

Choosemyusername

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The meta analysis concluded that porn use does not predict problems with porn, but that religiosity does

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Porn addiction isn’t even recognized by the APA and pretty much all medical and psychological institutions.

I believe you, and I smash the bologna pony at least once every other day I also have a wife and have sex about 3 times a week on top of that. Different strokes for different folks.

Lord_of_Caffeine

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Yet.

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Masturbation is good for your health. One study showed that men who masturbate and ejaculate daily have a significantly reduced risk of developing prostate cancer. I do it for my health. :)

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lol

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💀

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Another study showed that applying sperm topically on the skin reduces wrinkles and restore the youth, more effective if consumed daily.

ChocolateJesus33

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That study was made on men over 40, with no real evidence or proof that they were telling the truth about their masturbation habits, and it only reduced 20% of risk.

20% isn't "Significantly reduced risk" lmao, specially if you're under 40yo

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You won't be under 40 yo forever and that's the point, its preventative. You do it in the decades before you're at the age where you're more likely to get prostate cancer. Men have something like an 80-90% chance of developing prostate cancer later in life, reducing that down to 60% is significant. The figure is something like 80% of men who reach age 80 have cancer cells in their prostate.

ChocolateJesus33

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Yeah but the study says 20% reduced risk, (An inconclusive study btw) so nah, I'll stay with masturbating only when I feel like it, not everyday like a redditor lol.

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You think masturbating daily is a redditor thing? People were masturbating daily before the internet existed, and I’m pretty sure they’re also just doing it when they feel like it. Nobody is forcing them.

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I'm sure porn isn't great, but the impact is overstated. Want to take a month off, more power to you. But not doing a thing is hardly an achievement. You need to actively do things

My favorite are the dudes deeply concerned about testosterone and porn who can't even bench two plates. Like porn is the least of your concerns

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Benching 2 plates is not a great measure of testosterone. It’s a measure of training for a specific movement and eating more food.

Most gym bros who bench two plates can’t run a mile without getting a near heart attack or anything that’s athletic 😂

Lord_of_Caffeine

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Tbf though, people that exercise regularly - no matter if it´s the gym, swimming, sportsball, etc - tend to have higher testosterone.

Bench pressing correlating to your T levels is a stereotype but in a bro science type of way it makes a little bit sense, don´t it?

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While I agree with your sentiment, a lot of gym bros think weight lifting is the epitome of physical fitness when there athleticism and true fitness is much more diverse than squat/bench/deadlift. It’s honestly a pet peeve of mine.

Lord_of_Caffeine

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For sure. I think the gym is great because it´s a really accesible hobby and it´s great at giving you the tools to shape your body into a desired form (given that you read into that stuff a bit) but ideally you´d use it as a supplemental form of exercise on top of practicing movement types that actually foster practical fitness and athleticism but doing that is asking for a big time commitment and is way less accessible than just going to the gym 3-4 times a week.

So gym good but gym not perfect. But compared to the average twig armed skinny fat gamer stereotype it´s certainly much much better for your T levels and your overall health as long as you aren´t on gear lmao.

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I mean 2 plates was an absolute minimum. I'd hope most healthy men could do both that and an 8 minute mile. Or maybe a 10 minute mile is the 225 bench of running

Ideally working toward at least good on this chart

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I highly disagree about "not doing a thing isn't an achievement." Have you ever known any addicts? For us, it's a huge achievement

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Right. Isn't "not doing the thing" the actual goal?

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can't stand reddit Gooners being creeps in comment sections holy shit

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…You’re right.

1ncest_is_wincest

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I AM A PORN ADDICT AND I AM PROUD OF IT.

Illustrious_Truth665

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love your name~

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Ew

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Someone ban this human

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Ew

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Irk

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why is the place known for being horny and lonely horny and lonely

Not an opinion. Just a weird question.

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So because you have a low sex drive, other people without a low sex drive are the ones with a problem????

How did you ever come to this conclusion?

Lord_of_Caffeine

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You don´t have to have a high sex drive to goon to porn for hours.

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I agree, but I also think the cultural factors at work here are not just "guys love porn".

In general men are walking away from relationships. Just go into any dating subreddit, or even dating apps, and look at what the women are asking for.

Over 6' tall
Making 6 digits
In shape, "built" is a word tossed around a lot.

Now how many men in the general population meet those requirements? It's a lot lower than you would think (we're talking less than 10% and that's not even accounting for "gay", or "married").

The rest of the men are involuntary incels. They don't make enough money to get these women's attention, or aren't muscular enough, or aren't tall enough, etc. Sure, they can go after women even lower on the totem pole (fat, single moms, etc), but even those women tend to have sky high standards for what they bring to the market place of dating.

So a lot of these guys are simply not getting into relationships, and instead paying $3.99 for some girls onlyfans, and they get to see women naked that would never give them the time of day in real life.

Or they become passport bros (that's a whole other topic).

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People just gas light themselves into thinking they are incels because they listen to what OF "models" say on podcasts.

If you don't have a terrible personality you can find a relationship.

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Listening to an OnlyFans girl podcast is their first mistake.

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True, I think it goes something like this:

Women have more real / perceived access than ever to their top choices in men (dating apps, social media).
Many women choose to settle only for their top choices in men (the top 20% or so).
Men in the bottom 80% struggle to get into relationships, but still crave intimacy.
Men watch porn.

An oversimplification, of course, but it's a real phenomenon.

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That's basically it. Men don't really "love" porn. They are just using the options they have, which is OnlyFans, or the Hub, etc.

I'm recently married, and before I got married, I was in the dating scene for years. Over the past 5-6 years before I got married, probably dated/slept with over 100 women (not bragging, and not particularly proud of it either, wish I would have been much more selective).

But one thing I noticed is that because of my height (6'3), and my wealth (multi-millionaire), work out 5 times a week, I didn't have to try much to get a woman to come home with me in a single night outing/date. Sure, I brushed my teeth, my hygiene was always on point, but once women saw my car, and where I lived, I knew within 2-3 seconds that I was going to see her naked that night.

So what did I learn? 95% of the women on the dating marketplace are pursuing, the top 10% of men. The other 90% of men are invisible to the majority of women, that's just how it works right now.

So porn, or passports become the only option for the majority of men, and we're seeing this in the marketplace right now.

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Congrats on the marriage man.

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Thank you friend. Loving the monogamous life!

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how did you become multi-millionare

cowboyfromhell93

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What do you do to be a multi millionaire?

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Just to keep it concise since this could be another thread:

Bought real estate in Orange County, CA in 2012 when OC was in the dumps.
Invested over $100,000 into Apple Stock from 2008-2015.
Opened a specialty e-commerce store in 2016.
Invested into multi-family units in Texas, and Florida in 2018 (way before the recent housing boom).
Opened a Managed services company with a partner in 2020. Have large contracts with State of California, and State of Washington.

This alone was enough to push me into the "mid 8 digit range" of net worth.

cowboyfromhell93

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Thanks for answering, interesting, I guess when I ask this I'm hoping for more of a clear cut profession as someone with no money looking to start a career this seems quite unachievable, any tips? The answer seems ro be real estate and stock but you need alot of money to start with to make that kind of money. No fault of your own but kind of a disparaging answer. I suppose I am asking where do you start what did you so to get into real estate and 100'000 to invest? Thanks again for concise reply

Im_hated_4_asking

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You can ask Redditors why they are wealthy, but usually it boils down to luck. Buying the right thing at the right time and having the funds to do so.

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Yeah, the more "detailed" reply is I graduated from UC Berkeley with an Electrical Engineering/CS degree, and my first job I was making $105,000, and within 4 years, I was making over $175,000 a year as a full stack architect. I was sort of helped out by some people jumping ship to other companies, and some people getting fired due to personality conflicts, which lead to some early promotions IMO, and my company really needing people to take over projects as the lead technical asset.

During this time, I was keeping my head down, not rocking the boat so-to-speak, and just working 10-12 hour days (including some weekends) and this was during the "great recession", so I considered myself extremely fortunate to have been gainfully employed during this time. A true blessing, and I was learning as much as I could, and bringing as much value as I could to my company so they wouldn't lay me off or get rid of me. My managers generally liked me and my reviews showed it, so I would always get merit increases of sizable amounts annually, as well as vested stock.

As a single man, living in a shared apartment with 1 roomie, my rent was $775 a month (yeah it was that low at the time). I was able to stuff away just short of $400,000 in 5 years (including vested stock options every year), all in my early 20s.

From there, I had the money to go 50% down on my first quadplex in Orange County, and I lived in one of the units. Then rinse and repeat, except faster now because I am profiting from rental income on top, which was increasing every year at this time. I was able to buy 1 property a year from 2012 to 2015 using cash and leverage. Formed my first LLC. By the time I opened my eCommerce shop in 2016, I was pulling in roughly $480,000 annually in gross income, 1099 income, and rental income.

The Apple Stock was mostly luck. I opened a Vanguard account in 2008 when the financial world was literally crumbling, and the first stocks I thought to buy were AAPL, some Berkshire B, and some MSFT. Not exactly exciting stuff. After numerous splits, and holding nearly all the stock until 2021, the shares were worth nearly $4.5 million dollars at that time in total. I still haven't sold all of it, but I have sold a lot, and taken the long term capital gains hit on about $1.4 million worth to invest in other ventures.

The rest is just more expansion, investing, gaining more customers, etc. Way too long for this thread's purpose.

Not going to say it was easy because that would be dishonest. I never took any long leisure vacations, domestic or international during that time (in fact the first big vacation I took in my life was to Hawaii in 2017). I rarely dated during this early period of building up. I did buy a used Porsche, my one and only toy during this time. Now I own lots of nice cars, big house, etc. But the main point is, all of it was pretty much delayed gratification because I had none of it in my 20s.

Like I said, could be an entirely new thread, maybe I'll do it one day in detail (and people have asked me before in other subreddits because people love asking about how people made lots of money lol). Maybe I will one day.

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Work very hard in school, get into a top college with scholarship, major in Tech/SWE, get very good grades and improve your skills.

Get hired at FAANG or another big company, make 100-200k per year.

Focus on doing well at your job, flatter your boss, keep improving your skills, learn how to talk to people, build strong network and resume, job hop every few years for raises.

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The rest of the men are involuntary incels

All incels are involuntary.

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In general men are walking away from relationships. Just go into any dating subreddit, or even dating apps, and look at what the women are asking for.

Over 6' tall Making 6 digits In shape, "built" is a word tossed around a lot.

The amount of women that are asking for these things are a very small minority though.

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In general men are walking away from relationships. Just go into any dating subreddit, or even dating apps, and look at what the women are asking for.

Those places are not good proxies for what goes on in the real world.

In the real world many men that doesn't meet those requirements are doing well for themselves dating-wise.

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The job and fitness considerations are real. The 6-foot threshold is obviously bogus. The actual line where it might start to be difficult to find dates is probably around 5'7''.

How many reasonably fit, decent looking guys with good jobs that are 5'9'' or 5'10'' do you know in the real world, who struggle to date? They might find it difficult to date 5'10'' models, but only a tiny percentage of women are that tall.

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Oh look, more weird policing of men's sexuality. Thought I would stop hearing so much about this stupid horseshit when I left the church. A shame there seems to be this weird sex negative backlash. Men are horny and need release. Stop trying to tell us what to release to. It's really no one else's business.

Lord_of_Caffeine

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There´s a difference between being sex negative and being porn negative.

You don´t need porn to masturbate or have sex. Porn isn´t an inherent part of your sexuality.

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You don't need food that tastes good to survive.

You must be aDdIcTeD!

Lord_of_Caffeine

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What a shitty analogy.

You do indeed not need food that tastes good to survive. You can survive on a complete diet of bland and boring foods. As long as it gives you sustenance you won´t die from starvation at least.

Plus if we were to look at our sexual behavior analogous to our palate, if anything, porn would be the McD´s and BKs of the world of sex. It´s the lowest quality of sexual activity there is, not fullfilling at all.

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It´s the lowest quality of sexual activity there is, not fullfilling at all

Thats just your opinion man. Calm down. Maybe a quick wank would help with all of that anger.

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Agreed

Comfortable-Hall1178

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I’m on Reddit far more than I watch porn. I’m not a huge porn watcher. (30F). Never have been.

SolarGammaDeathRay-

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People don't fap not watching porn?

Disastrous-Bike659

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Nothing will ever hit as hard as some real Perc 30. Not even porn

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Hah, denial, please.

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I’m not in denial…

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Right I've talked about how this account was originally made for my so and I to look at porn.

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The magic of porn bringing us all together 👏🏼

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antidepressants make it boring sometimes

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Absolutely

No_Education_8888

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I just do it whenever I want. I’ve gone weeks and I’ve done it 5x in a day (not a flex). Whatever suits me for that day 😁

ChocolateJesus33

OP

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Same lol, my max is 40 days without doing it, and my max also, is 7 times in a day

No_Education_8888

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My 5x was on a bender when I was like 14 lol. Wanted to see how much I could do it. Ain’t no shame if you only do it that much once 😂

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No, im fully aware

pavilionaire2022

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most redditors =/= most redditors who comment on a masturbation post

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I found this post difficult to masturbate to.

SuccessfulCompany294

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I don’t know about most but there is a whole community dedicated to not doing this.

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NOPE , NUH-UH, I’ve never watched porn in my life.

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Cap u started at 10 then quit at like 16

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We maybe porn addicts but we are hardly in denial

One-Branch-2676

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lol…denial…

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Cause a lot of redditors are younger. When I was 16-24 I would whack it everyday, sometimes multiple times a day (when I didn't have a gf or FWB). Now that I'm in my late 20's its like 3 times a week.

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But what surprised me the most, was the thousands of comments of men saying "If you don't masturbate daily, you're either asexual, or lying" Or stuff like that.

That is probably just projection on their part, with maybe a portion of confirmation/survivorship bias on your part.

We all tend to want to think that most people are just like ourselves after all. You see people wanking it every day as porn addicts while they see people who don't wank it every day as asexual.

A true study on the matter would seek a truly random sample across as wide a population as possible in order to seek the truth.

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I feel sad for people who equate masturbation to porn. You can see that masturbation for them is synonymous to porn.

StoneMakesMusic

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Mostly young people

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I haven't jacked off in at least 5 years. Don't have a need to 🤷🏼‍♂️

ignitedwolf9200

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Keep in mind most redditors are literally porn fried male teenagers

AdministrativeLove97

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My parents hit me a lot, and this is my only happy place

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I deny nothing as long as it's true. I'm even into some pretty out there kink roleplay (boundgangbangs / cnc that kind of stuff)

as far as the

If you don't masturbate daily, you're either asexual, or lying

personally i agree that;s complete bs. but it really depends on a lot of things. how stressed / busy you are with work/life/home, physical activity level, how active and recent your sex life is, how many hotties are around you, how old you are, etc.

I've had times where I masturbate multiple times in a day and times where I've gone a week or more without wanking it. I don't thikn I'm suddenly swinging between straight and asexual just becuase I get preoccupied with a big project for a few days am so focused that I don't have time to be horny. And I'm no politician (aka lyer)

So, why are Redditors such masturbation and porn avid fans?

I think it's bc there's a disproprionate number of people on here that have bad social skills and likely don't have good (or any) romantic relationships. I don't say it out of mockery.. I don't think that kind if thing should be mocked. But it happens and for whatever reason, reddit seems to be a place where a lot of people like that end up (couldn't possibly have anything to do with having both legit communites and porn-focused subs lol)

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I masturbate almost every day and yet I watch less porn than you. (I don’t watch porn. The most I "watched" was some image or short clip for inspiration of stuff to built in my dungeon years ago)

I have an active life too, masturbating in the shower while hair conditionner is doing is thing save time. That or before falling asleep lol it can take like 4-5 min lol

FatumIustumStultorum

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lol what you described is nothing remotely close to someone with a legitimate addiction to pornography. Some dudes just jack off more than others. That's all.

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so anyway, what are your guys favorite jav codes?

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I promise, no denial here. Even without porn, i'd be beating it daily.

I'm not in a relationship, and prostitutes are expensive, so I picked the cheap and moral option of taking care of it myself.

Fallen-Shadow-1214

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Because when you have thousands of people validating you, you don’t have to believe the person who’s right.

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Most Redditors are not not porn addicts in denial they are likely just young. When I was a teen it was almost every day, when I was in my twenties it slowed down because I had other shit to do like a job so few times a week and then I got married and now I just prefer sex with my partner which is every other day or so. That said you don't need porn to masturbrate. It's hard to understand when you haven't reached that life point yet and libidos range all over the place in different points in your life. I talk to sex advice reddit all the time and it is literally all over the board and everyone is shocked that everyone else is different. Claiming most Redditors are porn addicts is a bit of a stretch.

MichaelBrennan31

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This is the most popular opinion lol

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I struggle sexually because of trauma with my stepdad being gross with me at the ripe age of 7. I now struggle with porn and "needing" it all the time. I am going to therapy and it's gotten a lot better over the last couple months but yeah. It used to be a multiple times a day and now it's down to maybe 5 days a week.

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Exactly, because we know who you and know for sure you, a complete stranger, lives true to your word.

GrainsofArcadia

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Personally, I would only describe someone as addicted to porn when their usage of porn starts to have a detrimental effect on other aspects of their life.

Different-Ad-9029

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Some of us are not in denial…

Harboring_Darkness

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I mean rule34 subreddits of popular animated media are a thing on reddit

I mean if the SpongeBobporn subreddit is anything to go by people really love SpongeBob getting fucked every which way by his friends

Then again the confessions subreddit was littered with people making "boyfriend/girlfriends fetish caused me to get raped." And the occasional user confiding in the subreddit about their sex life either with a partner or by themselves which like I thought the sub was a place to confess about a person's relationship with someone bad or abuse being done to them by someone older or one of their family members not just another sub to talk about your sex life to.

I had to leave the confessions subreddit mainly because when I posted about my past relationships, people were either mad or disinterested in what I was talking about.

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Because you are talking to a crowd that mostly has never left their mothers basement or touched an actual woman

ILikeAnonymitylol

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Addict is a strong word.

I masturbate daily with porn. I have no problem going a few days without. On a day where I have nothing to do and time to kill, I might do it three times.

Addict is appropriate when it negatively affects your life, e.g. paying copious amounts of money for porn, having trouble with actual sex, degrading women / incel shit, skipping work to jerk off, etc. Most Redditors don’t fall into this category even though they jerk off daily

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Men produce 12,500 sperm per second. Per second!

That’s a lot of build up. Dams gonna burst eventually.

imo it’s natural for men to fap…

Apotheosis_of_Steel

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YSK: The psychological community utterly rejects the concept of porn addiction and chalks it up to a myth made up by Puritan religious people.

There is nothing wrong with porn or masturbation.

Obvious-Dog4249

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It’s a laughable conclusion though because behavioral addictions are recognized, and one of those is internet addiction. Now consider that orgasm releases the highest amount of dopamine possible next to heroine I think and ask yourself why it can’t be an addiction. Porn is a multibillion dollar industry and they want people to think it’s healthy and continue in its use. It’s funny you think the people who approve and disapprove what goes into the DSM can’t be bribed and bought out just like our politicians.

Mat_WhateverSilva

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You don't see the irony in saying that you can go months without masturbating, if you and you girlfriend HAVE SEX REGULARLY?

Why are you acting like you are anywhere different?... I'm not calling you a sex addict, I don't know. I'm saying that you acting like you are above it all, it's inconsistent.

This just seems like another one in the line of "Anti Porn" posts that need to dance around the topic.

And I still don't understand why what and how much other people do in the privacy of their room, matters. You don't care about porn addicts. This post wouldn't exist if you did.

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Glad that you found stuff that makes you happy. However this porn addiction BS really needs to stop:

https://www.businessinsider.com/guides/health/mental-health/porn-addiction

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I’ll be honest that was one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read. I’m not even trying to condemn porn here, but to me this article’s argument was as silly as saying: “Drinks are not food because you don’t eat drinks. Therefore you can’t consume drinks.” Like what? Just because one thing doesn’t fit a specific definition doesn’t mean that definition is even what really matters. Food a drink are very different, but you can still consume both. Maybe different addictions affect the brain differently, or even different people differently. But there’s still common consistent psychological issues at play here and that’s what’s important.

Maybe they’re right and porn doesn’t “alter brain chemistry” (I’m VERY skeptical of the validity of that claim). But it’s still, for all intents and purposes, addictive. If scientists are going to make claims like this they need to not alter or redefine the meaning of words like “addictive” and should instead just articulate what they’re actually defining.

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Not

Lord_of_Caffeine

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If gaming addiction is seen as a disorder, so will porn addiction be seen as one in the future. Give it a few more years.

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