Her being by the stairs is very convenient

To start; I believe he killed her- I have read the autopsy and her scalp was ripped right down to her skull. I simply don't believe that can happen when you fall a couple of feet onto a soon curve.

However the timing and logistics of how he killed her do confuse me. The thought process of MP of I'm going to kill my wife and stage it as a fall down the stairs must have had to happen so quick as she would have had to have been in that position at the foot of the stairs. Now my theory is they were mid argument, she went to walk upstairs after saying she was leaving him, he grabbed the blow poke and beat her to death. Or he was blocking the stairs whilst she was at the foot of it, he smashed her head against the wall, she stood up (which is when she got blood on her feet) and he finished the job with the blow poke

All this is speculation of course but I would encourage anyone to read the autopsy. It makes the case all the more confusing- she was covered in bruises on the front of her face and her elbows and arms- I have no idea how that could have happened

in TheStaircaseby hackjudd

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1mo

uggo23

1mo

I think the blow poke is a red herring. I think this is a man that has figured out how to kill someone simply by using a staircase. I know the evidence doesn't support it, but I think he killed both women. I think he was trying to prevent information known about him by these women from getting out. He's a narcissistic sadistic man and it tracks that he would adopt the children of a woman he murdered simply to throw suspicion off of himself. If the authorities would have been more competent, there would be fewer questions of his guilt

shep2105

1mo

This is one of the narratives Mike likes to put out there...that he actually legally adopted the girls and made them his daughters.
He did not.

He never did.

If he would have adopted them, he wouldn't get their VA survivor monthly benefits

[deleted]

1mo

Why do you think he killed both women? Ratliff had Von Willebrand's disease and had another relative die of the same thing at a young age.

uggo23

1mo

People with that disease can be expected to live a typical life-span. Since she had already given birth to 2 children, meaning her pregnancy would've been monitored closely because of the disease, I assume, she was aware of her condition. So that presents 2 coincidences: a relative died of the disease (not typical) and she did too, or MP was the last person to see 2 separate women alive that subsequently died at the bottom of staircases. I know it's speculative, I think it's just which example of Occam's razor does one choose?

IrishGuy2766

1mo

I find the idea that he decided to kill both women and make it look like a staircase accident utterly farcical. I’m not saying you said this OP btw.

I too think he lost his temper and killed her. In his panic, he remembered the death of the girls’ mum and how that was an open and shut case, and desperately decided to recreate it with Kathleen’s body. And hoped for the best.

priMa-RAW

1mo

Ok, how do you, and im going to use your own words here, “lose your temper” and kill someone, beating them in the head, and as we all know you dont beat someone in a “temper” by simply tapping them, your putting your full weight, your full force into that beating, losing your temper your pretty much in a blind rage, so how do you do that without fracturing the skull or leaving severe brain haemorrhage, or at the very least bruising on the scalp?

Until someone explains that, in a clear way that is indisputable, ill never ever be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that this is what happened.

hackjudd

1mo

100% agree with your first point, there wasn't any pre meditation in either cases IMO

He would have had to lose his temper and kill her at the bottom of the stairs though, maybe it was just by chance and ended up working in his favour, just wish there was some sort of what if machine, what if there wasn't a back staircase, what if he had killed her in the kitchen, and how he'd have tried to weasel out of it

IrishGuy2766

1mo

I definitely think the killing blow was struck close enough to the stairs or she fled from him and they ended up there. A coincidental location that in his desperation, he thought he could use to prove his innocence.

MrGiggles19872

1mo

Explain the lack of blood on the blow poke, and the fact that the blow poke was in their garage, and that it was already discovered by police, and not declared during discovery

hackjudd

-3

1mo

My theory is it was used a bit of theatre for the defence, and most likely planted

MrGiggles19872

1mo

The defence weren’t the ones to introduce the blowpoke theory. You are also potentially accusing someone in the defence of criminal activity and/or corruption or unethical practice.

Whilst I understand your theory, I find it to be very unlikely.

mateodrw

1mo

Were the cobwebs, dead bugs and dust photographed on that object also planted by the defense?

TomorrowCommercial32

1mo

Her left thyroid bone in the neck was broken. So hands around her neck as he bashed her head against a step?

ilikepie145

25d

This makes a lot of sense

TomorrowCommercial32

25d

Or the Son, Scott hid the murder weapon maybe? a broken wine bottle? Those lacerations are huge

jtfolden

1mo

Since the blow poke was found not to be the murder weapon, I think this theory needs more work.

priMa-RAW

1mo

How about you look at this from a different perspective, and i implore you to hear me out…

Take the “staircase” narrative out of the equation. Infact ignore it completely. The fact she was found at the bottom of the stairs is irrelevant. Neither used by MP to stage anything to look like a fall, nor did she actually have a fall, thats a false narrative. Now, go and look at this case again objectively, and tell us what you think…

I dont believe someone could get those injuries from a fall, nor do i believe someone could get those injuries from a beating (the injuries would be far more severe), yes MP does say “ahhh i dont know, she fell down the stairs”, tbh he found her at the bottom of the stairs, its not a wild assumption to draw yourself to in a split second when you find someone in a heap on the bottom step of a flight of stairs, but i dont believe it has anything to do with anything related to what actually happened except for, thats where she ended up.

So, now, with all this in consideration, as i said earlier, looking back at this objectively with the staircase out the equation, what conclusions do you draw? What do you think could have happened?

Main_Significance617

1mo

Come on — we all know the owl did it.

Hoot hoot.