I can't recall any references to it. I don't thinj they were continuously concerned of Jedis lurking in the forest, that would be ridiculous. I don't see it mentioned in all the theories of what happened on Brendok but it would seed weird to suddenly drop that cue.
Did they ever explained what the witches were afraid of in the forest on Brendok?
SpoilerNot sure but next week is the flashback on Brendok I think so we might find out. I have wondered this myself.
I hate Flashbacks
This will be cool because we need to see what happened
Yes, and they'd better dun leave any ambiguity in Ep 7, whatever happened in the past must be revealed before the finale
I got bad news for you, this is all a long, long time ago. All of Star Wars is a flashback.
Are you saying I have been living in a dream?
"We live inside a dream. And, one day, we wake up and realize that it was a dream, and we realize who we truly are. It's a glorious day when that happens."
We know they’ve been chased out of wherever they’re from and this is more or less a hiding place.
Were they chased out, or were they fleeing Republic jurisdiction and repercussions from the Jedi for creating and training the twins?
If they left Republic jurisdiction to escape a Republic ban on them, as a community, having and raising children, one might argue that does, in fact, constitute being chased out.
I didn't get the impression they were being actively pursued, under imminent threat of arrest, execution or having the twins taken away. It felt a little more nuanced than that, like they chose to try to quietly slip away hoping to go unnoticed. It seemed more like Jedi surveillance rather than outright pursuit, and more like a standoff to see who would make the first move rather than the Jedi showing up and going ham on them with full-on persecution. They were all trying to maintain a veneer of civility and while the witches knew they could potentially face persecution if they outright defied The Order, the Jedi were trying to maintain the appearance of allowing them their autonomy to a degree so as not to frighten them into running again, or provoking an attack.
Clearly it was all going to come to ahead at some point, it was just a matter of where, when and how it kicked off.
Similar to the Ferrix revolt. The Imperials knew they were an unwanted presence, just as the Jedi knew they were unwanted on Brendok.
The residents knew the Imps were there to oppress them, just as the witches knew the Jedi were there for the twins.
Nobody was saying it out loud but everyone involved knew what the score was.
Allowing the funeral rites was just an act of appeasement by the Empire to (hopefully) lull the residents into a false sense of security and stave off violence while they achieved their objective. Just as the Jedi reassured the coven they only wanted to test the twins and would let them make their own decision.
But, the speech was aired. The Imp kicked over the droid, all hell broke loose. Osha didn't want to lie, chose to join the order, Mae started the fire, all hell broke loose (probably more to come on all of that).
they specifically said "exiled". But they didn't specify from who and where.
Isn't that the same thing?
Pretty sure it's because they knew the jedi were there and they didn't want them to see the kids
I don’t think Mother Koril was out in the forest looking for the twins. I think she was out there for another reason and then she came across them and had to bring them back instead of her original motive.
I don’t think Mother Koril was out in the forest looking for the twins. I think she was out there for another reason and then she came across them and had to bring them back instead of her original motive.
"Another reason", like meeting up with a Sith Lord, perhaps?
I think the obvious answer would be scouting the Jedi, but I think that’s a misdirect.
I think she was probably meeting with Qimir’s dark side master, a younger Qimir, or perhaps something entirely unforeseen.
One of the witches also said in reference to the Jedi that "They've breached the inner circle, theres nothing we can do now". Not sure what that was in reference to. Maybe there is some kind of barrier or something and the girls left it? Not sure what they meant by the inner circle and it was never explained.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say there's a sith lurking about. They probably figure he can't take them all head on within the fortress, but if a few of them wander off, they're screwed.
A Muun lurks in the forest, waiting for his victims.
The Jedi are the immediate threat to them in this story, but I think there's more to it than that.
Hopefully this doesn't generate a certain type of reply, but the Jedi also seem to symbolize a broader form of danger from the residents of the planets they have tried to live on.
Local governments can call in the Jedi to investigate something. Whether a scared child sees weird demon magik in the woods, or if a witch says something a powerful local doesn't like, the effect is the same. The Jedi show up and there's a confrontation. The witches can either leave before the Jedi arrive, or risk potential casualties.
The witches are concerned about the Jedi being in their face, but they are also concerned about the people of the galaxy who can call in the Jedi.
There are loads of stories or fables and whatnot that start with a misunderstood hermit or a monster living out in the wild outside of a town. It's just something people do, both the story and the behavior.
But then there's also the Sith and other Force users of questionable alignment. There are all sorts of reasons one of them could want the witches dead or enslaved for.
Dementors from the forbidden forest
I think that the "big secret" is that the jedi were ordered to exterminate the witches because there was some weird prophecy/foretelling/foreseeing or something that a great Sith Lord will emerge from them. It could be that the thing the witches were afraid of was this exact prophecy, or knowing of their doom somehow. They just didn't factor in the fact that it would be one of the twins.
There are hints constantly throughout the show, with the way the now-dead Masters were behaving (the wookiejedi going into incommunicado exile, master [forgot his name] not talking/meditating for a decade then drinking poison to absolve their guilt, Sol preventing Osha from running to her dead mother or trying to go back, Sol's strange guilt, etc). These reactions clearly hint that they had committed actions they cannot resolve their sense of self and morals with, which can only point to the fact that they were collectively responsible for the massacre.
Seeing how they built up Osha's enduring lack of forgiveness for the Brendok massacre (and that she is willing to repeatedly shoot her sister on that basis), one can imagine she falls easily dark side after realizing the "betrayal" by her mentor. I mean, finding out that the person she trusted most is responsible for her greatest trauma is likely to be mind-altering.
I think the screenplay makes it kind of clear how the turning point of Osha's seduction comes from the fact that Qimir tells her (albeit selective) truths, unlike everyone else she cared about, and the breaking point of her "failing" the jedi was likely centered around her childhood loss.
I think it's also totally possible that one or both of two things happen (eventually, maybe next season if there even is one no thanks to the strange griefers): A. She falls for Qimir, and Sol ends up killing him, thus cementing her path. B. She kills Sol in revenge, but can't reconcile her own grief at it and turns further inward dark to escape her emotional conflict. C. She ends up accidentally killing her own sister and blames everyone whom got her to that point.
Any of these are a totally typical Star Wars sort of turn of events. Ofc, I would hate to see the best male actors in this series go, but obviously Acolyte has no qualms in violent character-offing (that entire jedi group death!) compared to others in the franchise.
There is also quite an interesting amount of evidence to suggest that Osha is going to end up being Darth Plagueis (Sith lords hide their true faces, so who's to say she doesn't mask her appearance and pretend to be male?). Plagueis's "wise" abilities (eg Creating life!!!, extending their own, specific characteristics, etc) strangely line up with the Witches' special force abilities as well as Osha's likely obsessions. I can see her training Palpatine out of spite for the jurisdictions that oversaw decisions which killed those closest to her.
Also, that detail of how Osha didn't get the "ascension" and that "stamp" which appeared on Mae's forehead has to factor into something: Maybe the ascension protects the witches from dark side influence via some collective link. I mean, an insular community full of force wielders would need some kind of safeguard against corruption no? It's too significant a scene to ignore. It's not as if she can't be a witch and a jedi, since Mae was already ascended and still tested.
Sidenote, I also find it unnerving and out of character how Mae threatened to kill Osha for not staying. Maybe she was being influenced by the sith already and the fire was a byproduct of that influence, which just conveniently happened to cover for the jedi's massacre? I mean, wasn't Osha the one whom most frequently broke her promises as a child?
I thought the phrase "kill a jedi with no weapons" meant literally, kill an unarmed jedi, rather than to use no weapons (so Mae was misunderstanding the prompt when she asked her opponent to attack her). I think Osha is actually going to end up killing someone (most likely Sol or her sister) unarmed and not be able to turn back.
I'm guessing these events are all connected. If not, at least it would be entertaining to consider.
You missed D! The sisters get back together & take out both Sol & Qimir!
The power of two....
So little about the first Brendock episode makes any sense that I can’t even anticipate Brendock part 2.
But hopefully it covers
- How the twins were born
- The meaning of their saying “I give you you you give me me”
- The Thread
- What really happened. Since it’s been shown once and mentioned again, I suspect the witch taking control of the Padawan’s mind plays a part in what happened. Sol promised Osha she’d never feel like this again and Qimir mentioned Jedi mind wipes so perhaps Osha’s memories aren’t real.
Lastly perhaps we will learn why no one but the twins seems to see them together since the events at Brendock. In other words they are never in the same frame seen by a third party.
Completely forgot about it! Thanks for bringing it up, now I am curious too :)
The Jedi hunted them to extinction. So yes it was probably Jedi.
Woah Woah, where's that coming from?
I mean, the Jedi seem to have a policy of claiming any and all Force-sensitive children they find. That is a genocidal policy towards any non-Jedi Force-sensitive community, whether or not the Jedi actually massacre those communities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system
"That's the sort of thing those people would do" is something different from "those people did that thing."
Well, something or someone took care of Mae, right? If all the witches are dead (and they seem to be), who took her in and trained her? Obviously she's been trained by Qimir, but unless he's older than he looks (baby Yoda anyone?) there must have been someone there at some point.
Giant spiders
I think Jedi kill Sith and witches. That's the big secret. The Jedi maybe murdered the witches anticipating they would eventually fall to the dark side, even though it was against the Jedi code. Hence the guilt.
They were afraid of the boogie man aka the jedi
I dont think the witches were affraid, they just didnt want the girls to go somewhere. Maybe because of the jedi, but I suspect there’s more going on on Brendok. Also that look between the witches when one of the girls complains about being the only kids there. Something the girls were not supposed to find out about and something that is probably a huge issue for the jedi and maybe related to how the girls were created, and the sith, and why the jedi were there in the first place perhaps? Also maybe May went to that place and didnt want to tell Osha (or was it Osha instead?).
I have no idea what it could be, evidence of past failed experiments before their ‘miracle’ of May and Osha? Outcasted witch children? A young Qimir who has been abandoned by the witches and taken in by the Jedi, only to be thrown out would explain a lot.
This is gonna be a long week…
I thought it was implied they knew the jedi were lurking about and didn't want them knowing about the twins, for fear they may try to come and test/take them.