Mae REALLY sucks at the sales pitch.
Qimir: You THREW KNIVES at her?!
Just snap their neck. Easy!
Because Mae couldn't figure it out, and Qimir lost his patience with her. Mae used knives as a last resort because her first intention to kill Master Indara was in hand to hand only. Failing that, she decided to bust out the knives because Indara is a witness to her existence, and now she really needs to kill Indara ASAP.
The poison solution for Master Torbin was the only way she could think of to get past the Barash Vow Force field. She was getting closer to figuring out what "kill without a weapon" meant, but Qimir was still not pleased with her. He tolerated that she killed Torbin with poison because he wanted the Jedi dead anyway. And the Brendok flower poison was poetic at least.
She failed to beat Sol in hand to hand, and he even disarmed her of her knives. So she fled and Qimir needed to keep an eye on her next move with Kelnacca, hoping she could finally do something right and not risk revealing the whole operation to the Jedi Council with her numerous failures.
But then she decided to not kill Kelnacca, and that was what made Qimir lose it. He stopped giving a shit and killed Kelnacca by himself, with a lightsaber, to quickly silence the target before the Jedi could save the Wookiee, or worse, let Kelnacca team up with Mae if Mae truly wished to surrender to the Jedi to beat him. Maybe he could have done it purely with the Force, but Kelnacca was far too dangerous to play around with in the short timespan til the Jedi arrival.
And well, it should be obvious why Qimir used his lightsaber and cortosis to slaughter the Jedi team. He's not skilled enough to go weaponless, and his real motivation is kill the Jedi's dream/spirit. He wants to destroy them ideologically because he despises their ideology. Slaughtering those Jedi was cleanup to maintain his identity as efficiently as possible so he could return to his real goal.
This is the best approach to explaining why there’s the need to kill a Jedi without a weapon and another could have been Qimir doing this by using Mae as he was also given the task by the true Master and was successful until Mae decided to turn tail which forced him to act quickly and kill Kelnacca with his lightsaber instead
This is insanely interesting. If this is what they're going for, I can't wait to see what happens, especially with the developements at the end of E6.
But then she decided to not kill Kelnacca
Wait did she? Didnt Qimir kill him already before she got to him?
The order of events was: 1) they went to Khofar 2) Mae processed her emotions and decided that if Osha is alive, then her revenge scheme isn't as valid as she thought, and that her master must be lying to her 3) Mae trapped Qimir in the forest thinking he was just a normie who can't rat her out to her master 4) Qimir, offscreen, escaped the upside rope trap that Mae put him in, and then used his incredible physique & Force powers to outrun Mae and get to Kelnacca before her, to then kill the Wookiee and hide in the trees 5) Mae finally got to Kelnacca's camp assuming she could side with him to get to Osha, due to her emotions telling her she wants Osha more than revenge at this point, only to see that he was already killed 6) the Jedi arrived with Osha, Mae is in the tree hut, and Qimir decides to dramatically reveal himself and slaughter the Jedi fools
You just put more thought and creativity into explaining these characters actions than the writers did. It would have been great if the show put even half of that detail into the script
Mate. This is the more surface level subtext there is.
Do they really need to yell what they are doing and why every time for you to notice it?
You’re kidding. The goal was to kill their dream? So why kill the Jedi’s bodies at all? And Qimir wants Mae to kill Jedi without a weapon, but he kills loads of Jedi with weapons. Was the goal ever to have four literally dead Jedi, or is that just the goal now?
Qimir wasn't doing the test. He didn't need to kill a Jedi "without a weapon", Mei does. And Mei fails the test because she kills the Jedi, not the Jedi "spirit".
What Qimir was doing with Sol (forcing him to kill or harm an unarmed person and, as such, break his Jedi code) or what he is doing with Osha (turning her into the Dark Side) is closer to the "kill a Jedi without a weapon" idea. As his main Objective is to show that the Jedi Dogma (according to him) is a farce.
"Killing a Jedi without a weapon" is more of a philosophical test than a physical one.
I think the test is to question being jedi
The dream was still alive, they didn't die. They became one with the Force.
If they didn’t die I guess there’s no point in investigating the murders then
Every Jedi so far has been killed with a weapon.
Which weapon killed Yord? Does bare hands count as as weapons now?
If you think about it, every Jedi we’ve ever seen die has been killed with a weapon aside from Yoda. It doesn’t seem like any Jedi die of natural causes
99.99% Fatality rate confirmed for Jedi.
Mae talks about how it's impossible because the Jedi would never fight an unarmed person.
The "trick" is she needs to stop thinking of herself as needing to participate in fair fights.
“That’s what an acolyte does.. it kills the dream”
Or you just put them in a chokehold and snap their neck.
That's exactly what Qimir did with Yord
Qimir wasn't doing the test. He didn't need to kill a Jedi "without a weapon", Mei does.
What Qimir was doing with Sol (force hi to kilm an unarmed person and, as such, break his Jedi code) or what he is doing with Osha (turning her into the Dark Side) is closer to "kill a Jedi without a weapon". As his mai. Objective if to show that the Jedi Dogma (according to him) is a farce.
This is it, you see Qimir doing this with Sol, trying to provoke him to attack out of anger, and attack an unarmed opponent etc. you can tell Qimir is toying with him.
It's been used on other shows too you don't kill the jedi, you kill their spirit and that's how you beat them. It's way deeper and more insidious than just stab a guy and stops the villain from being just a moustache twirling douche.
My current theory is that you force a Jedi to break the code and embrace the dark side, i.e. make them kill you or attack you when you're unarmed, like Sol nearly did to Qimir.
You could also break their neck. I seem to remember that this happened at some time.
Qimir wasn't doing the test. He didn't need to kill a Jedi "without a weapon", Mei does.
What Qimir was doing with Sol (force hi to kilm an unarmed person and, as such, break his Jedi code) or what he is doing with Osha (turning her into the Dark Side) is closer to "kill a Jedi without a weapon". As his main Objective if to show that the Jedi Dogma (according to him) is a farce.
"Killing a Jedi without a weapon" is more of a philosophical test than a physical one.
I was thinking maybe the phrase ”Kill a jedi without a weapon” does not mean that Mae herself needs to be without a weapon - but instead the jedi needs to be without a weapon? They have repeated that ”jedi don’t kill the unarmed” in the show already - maybe it’s proof for Mae, as a sith acolyte, that she is able to ”break the rules” as a true sith by killing an unarmed jedi?
Just a thought :)
Cheers!
An acolyte kill their spirit, kill the dream. Provoking them to attack you behind your back when you're unarmed is killing the dream
Mae was close with her first kill. Put civilians in enough danger and the Jedi won't be able to defeat the civies and themselves. Worked for Vader.
Ding ding fucking ding.
Wasn’t this an issue with Master Windu? His saber style wasn’t necessarily at odds with the Jedi code but literally played on the thin line. That the longer he fought the more intense and aggressive he became..didn’t he himself say that he allowed his feelings to help strengthen his attacks. That there was an inherent danger in his style because it could easily tip into anger and rage and it’s possible for him (and even more so for a lesser Jedi) to become lost in their emotions in order to win….. The point was that I could see Windu, before he mastered himself, being prodded into killing an unarmed opponent and begin the fall into the dark side…
You can also see this problem when he fought against Palpatine. Instead of following the Jedi code and taking him prisoner he decided to kill an (presumably) unarmed and injured person, thus "proving" the Jedi wrong to Anakin.
Which lead to Palpatine murdering a Jedi both literally, Windu, and philosophically, Anakin abandoning the Jedi Order and becoming Darth Vader.
I suppose that Windu would have also "died" as a Nedi for breaking the Jedi Code. But he didn't live enough to see that...
I would love to see a “Windu” spin off. His journey into and throughout the Jedi , the clone wars, E1-E3. Like not the stuff we saw , what we know could be good milestones/pacing points…him becoming a knight, master, taking a padawan etc…his struggles, which I believe would be hard as a young Jedi. I believe he was probably close to being lost a few times…but I don’t actually know…and Jackson could be his own narrator and make appearances where appropriate…like honestly he could be someone who also,perhaps tried to council Anakin from his own potential close calls with the dark side.
I thought it means to drive Master Sol to suicide by his own hands, no poison or anything
At first I thought it means that she will take the blame for killing Kelnaaca, but then all shifts when she betrayed Amie.
Or... just force choke them?
I’m pretty sure it means kill an unarmed Jedi. Idk if this has been talked about cuz I just realized it.
how come no one ever says "just kill with the Force"?
Ohhhhhh
Wish there’d be a Grey Jedi at some point in this Star Wars universe. One not beholden to one side of the force but a wielder of both.
Revan. I've always wanted Kotor live action
Have they heard about Brazilian Jiu Jitsu or Judo over there?
I've seen someone initiate BJJ move in one fight. How to "kill a jedi without a weapon"? Don't get budget for lightsaber fight sequences.
Doesn't she kill a jedi without a weapon when she gives the Spirit Halloween costume guy the poison?
This would kind of be exactly like how they resolved the dark saber issue in the mandalorian...
"Oh wait, the protagonist actually did the thing that needed to happen to resolve this 3 episodes ago but we're just going to recognize it officially now because it's convenient and we needed to wrap that up."
Nah, the poison was the weapon
Like OP said, I don't think "kill" is meant to be taken literally
ok. How do we know what words can be taken literally and what words shouldn’t be?
This is the world where "from a certain point of view" is a major quote
Besides, I may be special but "killing a jedi without a weapon" as a command given by a sith (like) master immediately made me go "corrupt a jedi"
It's just a theory bro. It might be literal
We'll have to wait and see
Words are important.
I'm sorry you want your media spoon fed to you from the beginning
Do you have any understanding about "metaphors" or "double meaning". Especially in a series like Star Wars, where metaphors and double meanings are intrinsic to it.
This is Space Fantasy. Not a Newsreel.
Attacking a Jedi unarmed. And provoking them to attack you when you're unarmed means killing the dream
This is Star Wars. The franchise loves to be metaphorical.
You cannot take 99% of the words at face value.
So then why were three Jedi killed with weapons?