“I hate when a ship goes in for repairs and comes out looking all sovereign class.”
Yes, yes, I know it’s a new star ship. But I couldn’t help myself
This quote was the first thing that popped into my mind.
First thing I thought about when I saw the nacelles lol
Me too
I was like; well that’s not new
Where’s that quote from? Lower Decks?
Yes. Capt. Freeman says it when Cerritos is undergoing repairs after a big battle.
Now to be fair. The Lamarr does have some design elements of the Odyssey. It isn't entirely Sovereign-Esque 🤣
Looks like they didn't ask for help from STO for design help. The show runners went straight to past ships and shrunk the Sovereign. It not very creative or doesn't vibe with previous ship or anything original.
I like it.
Does it look like a successor to the Intrepid class? No.
But does the Excelsior class look like a successor to the Constitution? Not even a little.
I don't think she's even supposed to be. Based on her size and description it seems like the Lamar-class is more of a successor to the Galaxy-class. Which feels appropriate. As impressive as Voyager was, she was ultimately meant to be more of a workhorse than a first rate ship of the line like the Enterprise. But after everything the original survived, the name was probably a bit too high profile for the politicians on the Federation Council to approve giving it to anything but the best of the best.
Very good point
Even the Constitution III barely looks like the I or II.
Connie 3 is Connie 2 wearing battle armour.
With Lamar it would look more intrepid if the deck was shorter, rounder and thicker.
All good designs though.
It's a good point. We know starship design changes with time (Enterprise B/C/D/E are all quite different from one another) and yes this is a different Voyager to the one we know, but that's to be expected. If anything, I would say it continues the to and fro that began with the original Galaxy and Intrepid classes and then continued with the Intrepid and Sovereign classes.
Did you watch the show though? She looks very Voyager from the top and the deflector dish is pretty much identical.
Even has the little notch cut out of the top front of the saucer
There is definitely Intrepid lineage. Based on the timeline Picard should have already assumed command of the rescue fleet, with La Forge leading construction. It is possible the Lamarr class is part of that project. Knowing Voyager's, and there for the Intrepid class', record in the unknown it would be no surprise that some elements of the Intrepid class would make it into ships meant to operate in the unknown that is Romulan space.
I am going to go out on a limb and say I like it.
I was reading how Janeway was going to get an Enterprise but Mulgrew objected.
The thing is it wasn’t stated which Enterprise and the Odyssey class was in service at this point.
So to me, this just looks like an Odyssey class without the two neck pieces between the primary and secondary hulls.
I think the Thing That Was Not Worf’s Fault happened in the finale of Season 1, so my money would have been on the F.
We saw the E on screen in season one, which was set only a few months before season 2. So it seems unlikely that they'd have moved on from the Sovereign yet.
...Unless of course that massive battle at the end of season one was the incident Worf insisted was not his fault. In which case: Yeah, that really wasn't his fault. And it was a real dick move bringing it up, Geordi!
I think it looks more like a Vesta/Sovereign mashup
I think the E was still around as Beverley left the E to
I love it!! Sleek, sexy, and like the sovereign, it looks like it's flying sitting still. Looks part of the era in which it exists! Can't wait to see it in action!
Star Trek: Does literally anything
The Fans: I hate it
In Star Trek's defence that is pretty much any fandom. Star Wars's is still up in arms we got a film with a female lead.
You're ignoring Leia Organa, and it's moreso the atrocious writing and dumpster fire of a plot
Stop putting rational arguments to things, fans arnt aloud to have rational arguments. /s
I always thought Trek was about what we could be while star wars is what we are now but with lasers and space wizards.
As a recent discoverer of Trek, but a long time Wars fan, I like this, but I would offer:
Trek is what we could be. Wars is what we WILL be if we live long enough.
I’m not a pessimist, you’re a pessimist… /s
It's not the fact it's a female lead it's how they did it. Ahsoka did just fine.
Yes, but then the joke doesn't work
The Fans: Offer legitimate criticism
Franchise: The fans just hate everything.
I respect the critiques but I'm always a sucker for this era of starships. Never did 2005 me think I'd get to see a new voyager so I'm happy. Reminds me of the 1701-E I did in stained glass. Need to do the OG Voyager already.
I’m really partial to the moving nacelles. That’s what made my girl unique.
Ugh that was so silly
The Intrepid was too damn sexy not to get it's own feature length movie!
The only thing Voyager needed was better looking nacelles. The changing geometry was backwards to me: up for sublight like any standard ship, down for ultra-smooth, subspace-coddling warp.
Way too similar to Sovereign
The Sov just set the design standard for the era - everything around TNG looked exactly like the Galaxy.
The nacelles are almost a copy/paste, but that’s exactly what happened in the Galaxy era too.
Kitbashing would have been more original than what they came up with here.
I’m also finding the “crew compliment: 800” line weird. That’s 5x the size of the Voyager crew but there are only 4 or so bridge officers shown and the whole ship feels empty all the time.
I read the 800 as a full complement but maybe a full complement wasn’t assigned for Janeway’s mission.
I’m more confused on size. They said it’s 29 decks, which this very much does not look like from the exterior. But then I think I also heard someone on a turbo lift as for deck 35. So I don’t know how massive this thing even is, but it seems big.
I think the deck 35 thing is joking about how inconsistent the OG Sovereign had it
The only relatively bearing we have for size is the Protostar, and that thing seemingly changes size more than the Defiant
There is no such thing as "too similar to Sovereign" the Sovereign class is peak Star Trek starship design. It has literally been all downhill since First Contact.
Amen
Never liked it personally, just never been a fan of the pointy style from that era. I like round starfleet ships
Lower Decks gave us the Parliament and Obena classes though. (Not counting the Luna since it was designed way before.)
Gross. Way too pointy flat stretched out. Sovereign class was the beginning of the end of good starship design
It's the nacelles. Having stubby nacelles was a huge part of the Voyager's silhouette, making them that long takes away a lot of personality.
She is effectively an Intrepid with Sovereign highlights.
They both perform just as well too…I guess.
Seriously. They’re not that durable in this production.
I was skeptical when they first announced the voyager-a. Voyager is the ship that made me fall in love with starfleet designs. Then came the promithius, akera and sovereign.
Though as the show went on, I found myself finding design ques from many ships, some I hated (protostar) to some I absolutely loved (vesta and sovereign). But if you look at her she deffently has intrepid in her.
All I can say is, by the last episode, the ship felt like home. A home I haven't felt since voyager ended. It was great to be back, and I hope we see her again. I mean we do have 15 years until the launch of the Voyager-B (Pathfinder Class)
The Lamar class looks like a mashup between the interrupted, the sovereign and the Odyssey classes for me at least. It’s got a more compacted, sovereign frame with smaller nacelles, the curves and motif of the Odyssey, especially in the saucer section and the overall intrepid vibe to it. It’s got the sovereign nacelles, but they’ve been mined and compacted much like on the original with the galaxy. It’s got a sovereign like saucer section, with a components, like the secondary deflector sensor pallet down the center. Overall, I do love this ship.
It looks like someone literally drew it on a rack. (That is a form of medieval torture) Shouldn’t the Nacelles be longer?
And isn't she pretty.
Looks great except for the anachronous nacelles. Doesn’t match the body style at all.
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I didn’t know this and helps with a lot of context to what everyone is talking, thank you
I like it, but I like the original Voyager better. I kind of think they jumped the gun making Voyager a museum. I assumed alternate future Voyager was a museum because it was away from the federation for a generation. Prime Voyager you could just refit and send back out again… in my opinion.
I like it a lot, but like come on you could have done the nacelles the same.
If the Dauntless II to was attempting to test the quantum slip stream drive using a ship design Starfleet new worked, then my guess is that the Lamar class was Starfleet's attempt to incorporate that technology into a more contemporary Starfleet ship design, which is why Voyager A has elements of both Sovereign and Intrepid class.
Looks way better than the Voyager-B
She's a beaut! Always a fan of the Sovereign and I love any designs that follow that aesthetic. Let's see how mediocre the devs will make it when they add it to STO!
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I just never liked the sovereign style nacelles
I am... not a fan.
- The sovereign nacelles just aren't a good fit
- The saucer detailing in all the close-ups seemed off, not nearly enough windows.
- Seems way too small to hold 800 crew and 29 decks
While I agree with you the design looks too much like a Sovereign, its size can easily fit 800 people. If Voyager-A is roughly the same size as the original, then it’s the same size of a modern day super aircraft carrier which can hold up to 2500+ crew. Granted on a carrier the crew are packed like sardines. A crew of 800 for Voyager-A is more realistic figure than a crew of about 1000 for a Galaxy class or about 450 for the original Voyager.
The ship has grown on me. I still wanted more shots throughout the episodes of the ship itself, but that’s just me. I don’t mind the Sovereign-influenced design choices, since we know the next in line is a Pathfinder class and that one definitely looks like a true successor to the Intrepid class. Makes it seem like they tried a few things with this one design wise and ultimately decided on something else for the next one. I mean, even the Enterprises don’t always look like the previous ones.
I love it so far. I'll be very blunt. The original Voyager is an ugly ship. This one looks nice.
Original Voyager looks like an upside down spoon.
Do not like seadoo style ships.
Agreed. We need more tall majestic ships…no more elongated stretched out flat soverigny pointy nose things
1701A, (refit) forever
I also love the Oberth class.
They are ok for their role as auxiliary ships. Not really starships to me…more like big runabouts
Yes they have an auxiliary role, but they're also used as long range science scouts and specialist experimental ships.
Most ships newer than voyager don't turn me on.
Trash
I think thus is what junkball media ment when he said "this should have been the enterprise e
Keeping the design language of the d consistent instead of going all sovereign class
Voyager a should have been the enterprise e
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