Do y’all think the Spider-Man fandom was to hard on Insomniac games?

The spider-man fanbase really is seriously spoiled. Any other superhero fanbase would kill to have games half as good as the insomniac games.

And no way home, seriously that will never be replicated (how well did it turn out for the flash movie) and spider-man fans will shit on the movie

General rule of thumb: it's great to love a character, but if you act in a way that the character themselves would abhor, you've failed.

Yes in the sense that the behavior and talk outside of the game itself is no way to act. Leave actors and actresses alone.

No in the sense that many of the criticisms are legitimate and you are free to express why you didn’t like a game over another… plus the criticism is not on “insomniac spider-man games” it’s almost exclusive to spider-man 2, the first game was met with excitements and praise for the most part safe from people not liking the MJ and Miles levels because they found those boring (and some visual aspects)

It’s a mix bag: one can’t go around making real people suffer because of a game and one can’t go around denying legit criticism and saying “just be happy with what you got!” Covering their ears without listening to it…

spider-man 2 came out glitchy, the story is a big downgrade from the first one, almost all the face models do look worse, didn’t come with all the features, is not a finished or polished game and needed rewrites… that makes legitimate to complain about the game itself and refusing to buy it and leave a bad review and voicing your opinion online… what it doesn’t do is give anyone the right to target the real people behind it, that’s too far.

Yes

Yes, most fans have been shocking with how they acting like spoiled kids sending death threats to insomniac and to the face model to Mj as well. That is appalling, I thought game was great it was awesome. I played through it a few times not as much Arkham knight but still it was good game. I will say when it comes down to suits, I am that person who thinks the collaborated suits are unnecessary and think we should have a bit more comic books suits but I don’t go as far as screaming my lungs saying this is bullshit etc etc. insomniac litteraly bends forwards and backwards to make sure we get a banger of game. They have been through a shitty year so people should really give them a break and let them go at own pace because I know they will give us banger of a story.

Insomniac made some incredible Spider-Man games. They aren’t perfect, but that’s okay! We should focus on all that they excelled at!

I hate fanbases in general, people nowadays are a bunch of whiny bitches, people are never happy with anything.

Unequivocally, frustratingly yes.

Yes and any "fan" that sends death threats to people online is absolute trash.

The behaviour I've seen is why insomniac should just not make spider-man games anymore. The behaviour is deplorable

"A little bit too far" about the MJ face thing...

In what world is that an acceptable way to behave about anything?

We actually don't deserve another game for that alone.

Every death threat earns another arc with Paul.

Plenty of spaces to complain on subreddits or on twitter or tiktok or reviews of the game. But no....people attacked the face model that had nothing to do with any actual development beyond modelling for it.

Disgraceful.

Spider-Man would be ashamed of anyone who engaged in that.

Yes. The way they talk about Spider-Man 2 makes it sound like it's one of the worst video games of all time. And the constant whining over DLC, costumes, etc. doesn't help

If I've learned anything from this subreddit, it's that nobody hates Spider-Man media more than Spider-Man fans, apparently.

It's weird, personally, I like Spider-Man and so I'm happy to see more Spidey media out there. Not all of it is the most appealing to me, but that's fine, I can still enjoy the stuff that I do like. And when they make something new that I don't care for, it doesn't somehow delete the old stuff that I do like. I can just go back and read/watch/play the old thing again to enjoy it instead of spending time shitting on track folks that make something else.

Insomniac in general is an interesting one for these people to target. These folks make some of the best games of their kind, and have had a consistently higher quality than 95% of the other games being made, and yet people still attack them. I don't think those complainers can ever be happy, honestly.

I left the Insomniac Spider-Man subreddit when half the threads were complaining about Mary Jane's face. Even the face actress got harassed.

They deserve some flak for the cringe miles adidas shoe suit but honestly that's probably not even their fault as they were probably forced by higher ups to do that. Other then that I loved the game. Kinda wish they hadn't Spoiler

Idk why ppl want NEW GAME OR DLC right now the game as just 8 month its a bit soon for DLC. INSOMNIAC need more time for making them even more with all hack n leak wich they suffer

Yes and no.

The fandom for those games do get intense and act spoiled.

However most of the points they bring up aren't wrong - Spider-Man 2 was a mess of a release when you compare it to the precedent that Insomniac set themselves.

SM2 released unfinished. There's no two ways about it, it was rushed out and not complete. You had a great 1st and 2nd act, and then a 3rd act that just rushed to the end with no post-game content and noticeably less to do throughout the game when compared to the other two.

Not only that, but you had features from SM1 and MM that were missing from release in SM2 - that took literally months to come out with.

SM1 also had 3 DLCs that were all out by the 3-month-mark, plus a slew of free suit content and QoL updates.

Again - it took them almost twice the amount of time to release the same QoL updates, with a fraction of the suit content and zero DLC.

I don't think it's unreasonable to point out the lack of care given to SM2 - especially considering Insomiac are the ones who set their own bar high with the first two games.

The fans have gotten quite brash and spoiled, yes - but the underlying issues are still undeniably there.

I had to stop visiting r/Spidermanps4 because it just became a cesspool. Even after MJs actress quit they kept bashing the way she looks in game. It’s nuts

Definitely

Spider-Man, like Batman, has a huge fan base, dating back literally generations. In any Fandom, there will be a contingent of unhinged individuals who take things entirely too far. The bigger and older the group, the larger the number, just because of populations. Star Wars is like this as well. It is not that the spider-man Fandom is toxic, it is that it is big enough that it can have some really toxic elements.

I think the reason that the Fandom is generally a bit critical of insomniac (and some are intensely, troublingly angry) is how strong the first two games are. The comic space has been mostly bleak for spidey for almost 2 decades. The marvel cinema movies are fine but not the spidey we probably wanted. This sort of left the Spider-Verse movies and the insomniac games as an outlet to get good spidey content. So, any disappointment gets magnified. Also, Spider-Man had some of the best DLC of the ps4 era, so people are probably a little too enthusiastic.

At the same time, Sony studios (almost across the board) seem to play up controversy for marketing. I do not condone anything except respectful conduct when dealing with creators (or really most humans) but push back was going to happen, almost no matter what they released. There is a disproportionate focus on toxic elements because the small number of toxic games being played up gets retweets and clicks.

Also, to address that tweet: a studio releasing a lot of games in a short time does not matter. It really has nothing to do with how any player feels about any given title.

Finally, Insomniac is not doing themselves any favors with how they have handled the various communities. A bit of communication goes a long way. Also, updates that break things that basic playtesting should have caught leave a bad taste with fans. I am a dev (not game, just biz stuff) and I know how easy it is for an "unrelated" change to break something in another part of a product. I am not faulting them for this fact, but it is a bad look to release a skin pack that seems to break beloved skins already present in a series where photo modes is a big deal.

TL;DR : no one should get abused. The Fandom is not generally toxic. Sony, whether movies or games, seems to love controversy for press. Everyone calm down about DLC.

Wait 4 games?

Uh, how is any of this accurate? I’ve heard nothing but good things about the insomniac games, played them myself even, and several have noted it does better than the comics currently. I can attest to that.

Christ, with how Marvel treats 616-Peter these days the fans should be overjoyed with the Insomniac version

The worst haters are truly Spider-Man fans (on Twitter)

So, anyone want to join me on a quest to eliminate the very concept of fandoms from human memory? Because I'm beyond sick and tired of the fact that a lot of the people who like the same things I do are shrieking assholes.

They bullied them into adding the Raimi suit for the first game and went on a tirade about a face change. Not to mention bullying MJ's actress for her appearance in the sequel and attacking staff for making MJ look different. Hard is an understatement and frankly they should have never put the Raimi suit into the first game after all that harassment.

Yes but it's not a spider man fandom thing. When something becomes too popular everyone will have opinions about it and especially on the Internet it'll mostly be degenerate stuff. Happens all the time

If anyone other fan base made up the Hollow Knight fan base, we'd have actual riots. I'm glad we're just crazy, not dicks.

Insomniac do deserve a lot of criticism though, whether it be for their story or adaptation. Putting in horrible random celeb designed suits instead of ones people actually want, all the weird mistakes and decisions towards stuff to do with the Hispanic/Latino stuff. I understand wondering where the dlc is tho as we had way more with the first game by now already

No because Spider-man 2 was just kinds...ehh?

It had some stiff competition and Insomniac did not bring their A-game with it.

Nice repost...

They're still worthy of criticism, but the online fanbase takes everything to extremes as always.

Yes. Easily. Is Spider-Man 2 perfect? No. Is it still pretty great all things considered? Absolutely.

Yes, they have been.

People on the internet have the worst opinions, they are very cruel, lack any sense of touch and kindness they are just monsters that want more and more.

If social media didn't existe the world would be a better place, I have no doubts about that.

Besides, people complain so hard for the smallest of things, if it's a big matter I understand, or something that is genuinely bad and interferes with your game, but in many cases, they are the most trivial things ever 🙄

They sent death threats to devs for changing the face, so definitely.

The Spider-Man fanbase can be pretty bad at times, and some of the reaction to Spider-Man 2 was overblown.

But it's definitely not the worst/most entitled fanbase out there, every few months the Star Wars fanbase has the good courtesy to unequivocally prove that there is no greater cavalcade of abusive, whinging, terminally online fuckheads in the world,

I have no idea what is going on, but generally speaking, I will side with a fandom over a corporation. Some shit is too expensive to put up with any fuckery. Now, this is provided that the Fandom keeps its hate restricted to the game or the company/management. Attacking individual developers or their families is way out of bounds and should be called out as unacceptable. So if fans are dunking on the game the company and its management team good. Fuck them.

Attacking people's families or individuals laborers nah do better.

Spiderman fans could literally be given their personal fiction made real served on a plate and still complain about something or other.

No other fandom has ever received media of the quality we do, and yet we bitch and moan like entitled brats.

I hate the fansbase of the games, the biggest crybabies cant fucking stand them

Absolutely

Let me remind you all they bullied the MJ face model into quitting because she wasn't megan fox or any stripper they saw over instagram. This fandom deserves EVERY single bit of hate it gets and I'd rather this fandom gets bullied into quitting social media than ever see another "Ugh, insomniac didn't yada yada yada". I'd rather hang out with a die-hard batman stan who says "UGH, I LOVE PREP TIME" every time he breathes than ever see this insulting fandom ever again. Jesus Christ I hope every single one of these entitled "fans" get exclusively sold Zeb Wells comics they're forced to read till the day they die. Spider-man would hate you all, and for a good reason.

You guys are wild bro. “Spider-Man would be mad at you because you criticized a video game” holy shit

Yes, all the rest of us on this sub see it and shake out heads at how ridiculous it all is, Spider-Man, miles morales, and Spiderman 2 are the most fun Spiderman gaming experience ever.

So we can’t criticize the games because…they make a lot of them? 

What’s next, we can’t criticize marvel movies because they put out like 10 of them in like 3 years? 

Yes and no. The complaints are in some way understandable, but the way they are stated is just rude and abhorrent, and often shows how spoiled the fanbase typically is

Unfathomably so. It's important to remember a lot of people yelling on the internet about a superhero game are literal children with no emotional control, yet, cause they kids.

Everyone is extremely hard on insomniac, not just Spider-Man fans. Xbox fanboys attacked them for….making quality exclusives for the PlayStation? (but then they found bugs that no one else had found and called the game broken how interesting)

Insomniac has literally nothing on their platter except spider-man with like one ratchet and clank game that everyone forgot about. And they’re pumping out these ultra polished, meaty games and of course everyone is still like “insomniac lazy hacks”

I really wish they moved on after Spider-Man 2018 we dont deserve them. The insomniac leaks really demonstrated how much “compassion” a lot of people have for the hard working employees at the company. The Wolverine leak was super annoying, cause everyone took it as an opportunity to shit on them same with that multiplayer spiderman game.

Yes. But sadly with a fandom this big it will never stop. People are very immature and there are a lot of incels out there.

That being said, they're a loud minority and us good fans shouldn't be punished for that. I'm sure Insomniac sees the support too.

Hilarious as well how one of the critiques of the second game near everyone was parroting was how it felt rushed, both in game with the story and irl with how buggy and incomplete some parts feel, yet everyone wants insomniac to rush the dlc out. From halo 3 to sonic 06, ac unity and most recently cyberpunk 2077 we’ve learnt nothing

For the most part yes. There are obviously some things that need fixing, but you gotta appreciate insomniac for everything they do

Even ignoring the fact that the leaks are a pretty good explanation for what happened with any dlc SM2 might have had (because I get that many people wouldnt want to look at them out of respect and solidarity), but also, Imsomniac are also making another AAA game at the same time, they arent Bandai or Capcom to be able to put out multiple AAA games a year and support them all.

And the MJ thing is literally one of the worst things to ever happen in the fandom. Its the misogyny that attracts the incel crowd, and makes editorial both hate the fandom, but also cater especifically to those people cause they are also the some of the most invested people in the fandom, even if they are only invested in hating

Bro if im paying $120 for a fucking video game I get to criticise whatever the fuck I want. I work my fucking ass off in a soul crushing call center just so I can go home to play a mediocre game and get told by some dumbass on Twitter that I can't criticise it?

You don't want Spider-man fans to be "spoiled," then the devs will need to make a superhero game with a new character, but they won't cause they don't know how.

Batman and Spider-man are the only ones they want to do cause it's safe, it's like saying a kid is spoiled cause they eat nothing but cake and KFC but people conveniently forget that the kid is only offered cake and KFC and nothing else.

Is there some people bitching cause they wanna bitch? Yeah, but the majority of people have an actusl reason for voicing their disappointments, and if you wanna bravely defend the honour and reputation of this simple million dolllar corporation, then go ahead.

The amount of hate I saw on the spiderman ps4 subreddit was insane. They kept talking about the fridge falling on Peter, how MJ looked, How Venom wasn't perfect. I had to leave. They are such fucking brats it's insane.

The newest one definitely, the Spider-Man fanbase is super pissed off due to the poor handling of 616 Peter and they took it out on the game, that said I think they were too lenient on the miles spinoff, gameplay was great but the writing was really bad in that one, and the first one is still pretty celebrated

While I don’t think Miles suit in 2 was the best choice, I don’t hate it to pieces 

Every fanbase has fanatics and ppl that go too far. Doesn't mean something doesn't deserve criticism or hate. Bc everything can get it. The clown that typed that shit is nothing but a clown. Ppl also didn't want the remaster to change his face to be more like Tom. That's a whole ass turn off. Fuck would I want iron boy on my screen for? (Before FFH)

Yes I do

Then we have the arkham fanbase. We don’t talk about the arkham fanbase

Only part of the Spider-Man fandom not eating well is the comics part.

While I dislike the current games (I don't think the story in Miles Morales or SM2 was as good as the first one) sending death threats is a big nono for me especially to people just doing their job, MJ's face model is gorgeous the game really doesn't highlight those features though lol

Saying the Spiderman fandom is in no way worse than fans of pro wrestling. But they’re very close.

There’s Spider-Man fans, there’s Sonic Fans, there’s Star Wars fans, there’s Dragon Ball fans, there’s so many fandoms like this.

Tf2 fanbase are crying in the corner

Actually the worst fanbase is star wars. In all seriousness I get what they mean. Insomniac was being harassed and sent death threats when they didnt have the raimi suit and then mjs actress was sent death threats because of the way she looks along with harass the devs for other stuff. I think there is actual reason for criticism but they dont deserve the harassment they get from “fans”

I think most fanbases don't understand the complexities under the hood, and I think most companies are scared at that level of transparency because of the inevitable hitback of "talking down to the fans" or "making excuses."

Especially in gaming. Vidya gamers are the worst. Little to no concept of scale, scope, the nuances of the developer-publisher relationship, and that what is good/popular in their own region (NA, Asia, etc.) may not be popular in others.

Insomniac needs to leave Spider-Man alone because apparently nobody in this fanbase appreciates them. I’d love to see them do DC. But I am excited for wolverine.

The Spider-Man fanbase, like just about every other, fucking sucks and is filled with shitty people that no decent person would ever want to spend more than 20 seconds around. If you have fans of something, you have fanatics willing to be insane and shit on it if it take a left when you know it should have been a right.

Maybe, but that shouldn't phase out the genuine criticisms which people are entitled to have

I don't know its a mixed bag. I think some of them were absolute garbage people with SM1 and the incessant crying about adding Raimi/Amazing SM suits... many of the complaints around Spider-Man 2 were totally valid and they seemed to get a pass based on critical talk around the game.

The AAA development pipeline is severely mismanaged. Spider-Man 2's budget does not reflect its current state. It's not just Insomniac, it's the whole industry.

Yes, yes they are.

I just want another Ratchet and Clank game

You think Spidey editorial sucks because the fans have sucked since 2002?

All fans are toxic when in comes hard to hard.

Love the games. I am awaiting the DLC but I can be patient about it. I can't imagine feeling entitled enough to demand something. When it's done to their standards I'll pay whatever they ask for it.

Not really. They're getting insane amount of praise and money for an average game. I remember a lot of previews declaring it the best superhero game ever. Can't forget about their infinite fanboys defending their every decision.

So many times when I see ppl say the reasoning they don’t like Spider-Man 3 their number one answer is “no dlc” it’s fine to dislike the game ofc that’s someone’s opinion but it not having dlc is a shitty number one reason it doesn’t mean the game itself is bad at all lmao

Then there js the other half. Which Is just happy Spider-Man is doing well here.

Agreed

And can’t forget that even though the suits they’ve added in the recent update aren’t the best At least they’re free which is something not many developers do

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but of all the Spidey content we got in 2023, I enjoyed the new game the most.

I know what that implies, so hear me out. I have a lot of issues with Across the Spider-Verse as a film that keep me from enjoying it as much as I would like - too many to get into here. For all the phenomenal animation and cinematography and dramatic sequences, my issues with the world-building and the story structure meant it all didn't add up to a film I can fully say I like.

Spider-Man 2 PS5 has its flaws, but I still love the combat, the swinging, Yuri Lowenthal as Peter Parker. I loved their take on Kraven, and I think they tried some interesting things with the Venom Symbiote and Harry Osborn, and I really enjoyed the arc Miles got with Mister Negative. The first game was always going to be tough to top, but I could see a determined effort to try, and I still enormously enjoyed what they put out. And I just love exploring the city as Spider-Man, fighting crime and interacting with the many communities of New York.

So I enjoyed Spider-Man 2 more as a game than I did Across the Spider-Verse as a movie, for whatever that's worth.

I love insomniac and what they did with spiderman. DLC isn’t important to me, it’s free after all so idc when I get it. The only thing I will say about SM2 is the story was really vanilla and based off the first one, they could do better. But all in all nothing but love for them.

Yeah, but I don't think that takes away from the actual flaws (to clarify stuff like MJ's face is not an actual flaw and anyone bitching about it is a manchild).

The first Spider-Man game on ps4 was phenomenal in my eyes. I haven’t played miles morales or 2 yet but I still feel more than satisfied

The first game's dlc was all out in 3 months. This one took until around dlc 2 was supposed to be out to add features that the last two games had at launch with no word on any of it.

yes tbh. crazy stuff

only other fandom i kinda would relate to them is the uncharted fandom, a lot of posts on there are just shitting on how bad the movie is and wanting more remasters after there’s been remasters. Ended up leaving since it was so toxic lmao

The Mary Jane stuff was disgusting, but other than that they seemed to be well liked

Way to hard, they're so entitled being the only intact superhero game series if we don't count suicide squad in arkham

Idk man I think most ppl are just generalizing different praises and criticisms into haters and fan boys, both games are very good but definitely have a lot worth criticizing, I don't think it's too controversial to say SM2 was a bit disappointing.

It's kind of annoying seeing this same cycle on reddit when every game comes out being

people praise a game> people post valid criticisms> criticism snowballs and people complain> people make posts complaining about the people complaining> then people complain about those people and then boom tlou2 has like 3 seperate active yet noticeably different subreddits

The Spider-Man fan base has always been toxic towards the people crating Spider-Man content.That's not new.

That said, I do also see the frustration, especially in regards to Spider-Man 2. In many ways it feels like a sub par product compared to the first one. Especially since with the first game they released DLC like, a mo th after it initial release. Where with the second one, we're 8 months out and only barely have the NG+ update

Are you kidding? The Spider-Man fandom is too hard on literally (insert anyone).

Except Joe Quesada. Fuck that guy.

I agree. We have an amazing franchise. There should be more gratitude

Yeah honestly I didn't care much for the missing dlc content, tho with the game being so short and ligit completing it 100 percent in 35 hrs dlc content would have been nice, and also it costing 80 quid was quite steep.

Where’s DLC though?

They did some amazing shit.

Second game was mid

Cuz they're Sony fans?

"Spiderman fans" is a GIGANTIC group of people, you find any type of fans here. Obviously those who have strong opinions will be louder.

Was?

To be fair, GOWR never promised dlc

They even said they weren't planning on making dlc.

They just gave it as a free surprise gift.

Spider-Man has a paid season pass for dlc.

That’s an understatement

The games have flaws but some fans are so toxic. I remember how much they complained about not having the Raimi suit in the first game. When it was released as a free costume a lot of people felt bad.

Not at all. This dude is blowing up against the fringe and making it seem bigger than it is. The Marvel’s Spider-Man fans have been great and massively grateful for the most part.

I’ve honestly seen a lot more people needy for Shadow of the Erdtree.

The Spider-Man fanbase can be awful, but they're nowhere NEAR the level of Star Wars fans who hate damn near everything the franchise puts out and are some of the most smug, pretentious assholes on the internet.

I personally enjoyed the spiderman games playing as Peter and miles and having fun with the stories as well as the side objects

I feel like because the "City that never Sleeps" DLC was planned and announced shortly after launch of the first game, the expectation is that SM2 would have a similar roll out.  Especially since there are quite a few loose plot threads that could be used to tell a good plot B story.  

 That being said. Nobody promised anyone anything and frankly it's silly to grouse about not getting a thing you only assumed you would get.  

 Also. If you're sending death threats to someone over a video game you lose all credibility. You're clearly unhinged and need professional help. 

Not really apart from a vocal minority being outright hateful. The majority of criticisms are pretty spot on.

In terms of combat, they're basically just the Arkham games but with a Spider-Man mod. The stories are also pretty mid. Not even entertainingly awful, just generic superhero shit.

Really, they're overall pretty mediocre. The only good thing worth noting is the swinging.

I think this says more about how starved the gaming community is for the quality of content Insomniac provides. Yes, a rather loud portion can get out of hand with their demands, but I think it’s just a more extreme example of what all Insomniac fans want, most of us are just more polite about it. We can’t get enough. We want more because there isn’t much worse like it.

I mean, yeah, it's pretty bad, but "worst most entitled fucking fandom in existence" goes to Star Wars, hands down.

Yes. Most people on the Spider-Man PS4 subreddit especially. It really sucks too like I really liked Spider-Man 2 the complaints some people give like “it’s the same game”, “venoms not like how he normally is” like ok I get it right the venom adaptation is more like Knull but I’ll doubt they’ll keep it for the game they had in the leaks (if it where to be made now we don’t know), also really petty shit like the Rami suit being off at first when originally it was only in 2018 because of the communities nice reaction to it not being in the game. The fact they even bothered adding new suits is noteworthy considering the community treats them like utter shit. Meanwhile the minority of us who apparently either liked the game or didn’t but actually for reasons that don’t get overly preachy (there’s one million different venoms out there it doesn’t matter this one is different) stay silent because of how stupidly absurd the entire game subreddit is.

TL;DR: the Spider-Man PS4 subreddit is currently flooded full of inconsiderate ungrateful assholes. It’s ok to not like the game but don’t be a dick. Appreciate how insomniac treats us considering the way we treat them as a collective.

Yes.

I think some opinions regarding the story and updates of SM2 are pretty valid, but some of these fans be so obnoxious sometimes bro.

I still don't like the face change no matter how long it's been.

Alternate (more hopeful) outlook: insomniac makes games so good that spiderman fans are desperately clamoring for more? Hopefully?