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OUCH… Now That Has To Hurt…TopGear Says Fisker Ocean is “Arguably Better Built” Than Tesla Model Y
Yes. Magna makes the G class and a bunch of other cars on contract. They know what they are doing
Not quite. Magna makes some components for the g class. Not everything. Nal, flexngate, etc make components for that car as well
They do the final assembly in their Graz plant which is where the Supra and Z4 are built as well.
My old 2006 X3 was built there too and it has been an amazing vehicle honestly.
The whole assembly is done in Graz. So yes the car is built in Graz by Magna.
Like American cars where most of the components is manufactured in china or Mexico. Lol
You definitely could, and the US just outlawed all non-compete clauses in employment contracts, which goes into effect in around 100 days. So all these tesla devs could be directly scouted and make the jump immediately. The backbone of tesla is not Musk no matter what he says its the dev team that constantly bust their ass to make his ramblings a reality. Once they are gone to companies that would never fire them through a tweet or increase their workload 3x just because someone chatted mad crap on tv that morning the company will crumble faster than any other company their size ever has in the last 50 years.
Waiting eagerly for the tech company to become car company.
They make the I-Pace for Jaguar as well. And if memory serves, they also used to make the i3 for BMW.
i3 was built by BMW in Leipzig, Germany. I was at the factory tour there myself.
Ah no you’re right. It was the Mk1 X3s that they manufactured as well as the Z4.
They make the Z3/Supra combo.
You’re thinking of the first generation X3.
Yep. I just replied with that below about 5 seconds ago!! Doh!
Yes they did, and the i-pace build quality really isnt much to write home about. Squeaks, rattles and frequently failing components. Paid for the premium meridan sound system and cant use it because every panel in the car rattles like crazy if the volume is turned up.
The I-Pace has a reputation far and wide for quality build. I’m sorry you got a bad one but that is extremely uncommon.
Prob is Fisker is going bankrupt, and who knows what kinda support the vehicle owners will have.
A good friend got an offer to lead their android team a year ago, but turned them down since they just weren’t super competitive and couldn’t convince him they would exist for another year. Turns out he was correct.
Also for what it’s worth he owns a Tesla and bought it after driving mine.
His ass could have saved them!
Unlikely.
That’s impossible.
I cant respect anyone who would own a Tesla.
What a stupid generalization. Millions of people own Teslas. Learn to judge people on their merits.
Millions of people gamble as well. I dont want to know any of them.
The Fisker Ocean was a good car with a bad iPad in the middle of the dashbord. The Model Y is a good iPad with a bad car around it.
Idk my friends old model s would consistently shut the iPad off while driving on the freeway lol
Yea don't let them fool you, Tesla has the same quality through and through.
Guess I got lucky, Model Y has been a great car for me and my family.
I was happy with my Model S while it was under warranty. It immediately became a nightmare at the eight year mark.
In hindsight I shouldn’t have been; I did some research and discovered that the battery replacement the year before I bought it was a reman.
It's useless to argue, most of the users in RealTesla never set foot in a Tesla.
Too bad we have to look at that ugly blob when it drives down the street.
Sir this is the Musk hate circlejerk channel. How dare you speak the opinions of the silent majority instead of the typical vitriol of the vocal Musk bad minority.
Compare that screen against a real Ipad and the Tesla will look ancient :D
More luxurious interior than a Tesla? Impossible! Tesla has a computer monitor that looks like it came from Best Buy or a Titanic submersible. And then there is the expansive floor—the foot and leg room is exquisite! The minimalism can’t be beat!
That cheap looking (aka "minimalist") plastic dashboard screams luxury.
It's the saying you "get less for more".
Don’t forget the vegan pleather
many cars have it, they just do it better than Tesla.
And the faded sunroof you can't open.
But, how many vegans didn’t take to spread across that dash?
Yeah I never understood how they got called a luxury car
Luxury priced.
teslas' interiors have always felt a little rigid and uncushiony to me tbh. every time an uber with a tesla picked me up i was pretty underwhelmed
Best buy??? Where can I sign up for this exclusive item?
Cheap. It’s like a city bus (or so I’d conceptualize).
It's also a significantly better looking car with a little bit more style.
Both cars look pretty hideous for my taste.
The bar is extremely low. Magna doesn't build junk.
The cheapest kia you can buy is better built than any Tesla vehicle. They're notorious for their garbage build quality.
Idk, I feel like the Fisker reddit had a few people with build quality issues?
Still, this was a low bar. Build quality wasn't Fisker's issue.
I think every vehicle specific sub-Reddit has build quality posts. No manufacturer is perfect! Also remember most people don’t come onto Reddit to post about their perfect vehicles. They come on Reddit to post about what’s going wrong.
The issue is… Tesla subs are filled with build quality posts.
Teslas are trash and the Tesla reddit community is trash and led by a trash mod who shadow banned people that never broke their rules- it’s no wonder the subs are filled with garbage.
I get it at least. When your entire personality becomes Tesla you’ll try to stand for what you believe in. Unfortunately most people will never admit to being Jim Jones’d. They’re too embarrassed to back track.
If you only go by what's posted on the Ranger 5G forum, you'd think that every one of the 2019+ Ford Rangers will have the transmission fail at some point.
The reality is that less than 1% of the trucks has a transmission that will fail, and Ford is covering it with a TSB.
Fair point:)
A good friend of mine works in the EV arena and regularly gets EVs to use to check batteries, charging systems etc. He's had Rivian, Kia, Hyundai, and about 6 months ago, before the bankruptcy, got a Fisker. He said the fit and finish was superb but the tech was a hot mess. Genuinely the worst of all the EVs he's driven. The Rivian was among his favorites. Lyriq was the most luxurious in terms of interior, but GM's tech was crap as well but nowhere near the amount of crap the Fisker enjoyed.
"The more I drive the cybertruck, the more I like my Rivian"
- jerryrigeverything
What cars are not better-built than the best Teslas?
Isn’t that obvious? Even kias are better built than teslas lol.
Kias arguably have the best build quality this decade
Yep, Kia/Hyundai/Genesis have been consistently near the top of JD Power ratings.
Kias are one of the top-ranked cars for build quality.
theyre built so well insurance companies wont insure them!
Loud and wrong
The fact that your own link contradicts your statement is hilarious.
Kias are built pretty well imo
"Eletric-vehicles.com"
Who thought that was a good idea?
Somebody who couldn’t get electricvehicles.com
There are endless domain combos, but did they think nobody would notice the missing "c" in "electric"? That's seriously low rent.
It really is.
They didn't use the paid version of chatgpt
They missed the chance to make a pun with "eclectic" and "electric"; "eclectric-vehicles.com" doesn't exist.
What a surprise.
Yup. That's why I bought Fisker shares. Down from 25 bucks to just 6 cents! I'm betting they won't go out of business so I'm either rich in a few months or I lose it all lol
pretty much every standard automaker now has a better electric than tesla
They’re actually nice in person. Saw one finally.
When you compare anything against Tesla, it’s better built for sure.
That’s not a high bar. Tesla is among the worst quality.
Tesla is 3rd from the bottom (#35) and Kia is 3rd from the top.
Almost every car is better built than a model y
To be fair the showroom in Westfield's had a Tesla chassis. As someone who knows a bit how to weld even the showroom chassis was only stuck together with pigeon shit.
Build quality does not matter to me as much as the underlying technology and the likelyhood of spare parts being available in five years. A friend in 2017 bought the original Fisker hybrid and he got rid of it because of lack of service.
Not surpsied , a cardboard box is better built then a Tesla it’s Q/A is still dog shit
Thats not even controversial. Everything is better built than Tesla. Even Tesla will tell you everything is better built than Tesla.
Everything Fisker makes is better than anything Tesla makes. The fact that Tesla might survive and Fisker may go bankrupt is proof capitalism doesn’t work the way its defenders claim it does.
Bankrupt again. The old defunct company was ran by the same guy
Everything Fisker makes is better than anything Tesla makes.
now this is just dishonest lol
Not terribly surprising given Tesla is absolute shit
Fisker even with beta software was still better than Tesla. Maybe BYD will buy them and build a US plant.
Fisker can't be bought out per an agreement with a note holder. They filed the 8K with the SEC last week,
The note holder can be convinced. Something is better than nothing.
He'll get his money back as soon as they sell their current inventory. I *think* they only owe him something like $16 million.
Would get them around tariffs...
I feel like at this point, all EV cars are build better than Tesla
As if that’s hard to do
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA oh that has to sting, the fisker is a pile of junk.
To be fair, that is a very low benchmark. There is a reason why its described as a poverty '90s entry level car interior.
Why did they feel the need to insult Fisker by adding "arguably"?
Looks better for sure.
i haven’t come across any reviews or comments suggesting that this car has poor build quality. It seems that the overall perception was positive in terms of construction .
Better built what? A brick? The car itself is useless with shit software. It was their fault who rushed and released an unfinished product.
I’d say better build quality, but significantly worse calibration.
Until it becomes a lawn ornament when it cannot be serviced.
That’s why their going bankrupt, nobody trust Fisker.
The car, sure, I can see that. The software, however, is not even close
I love my Ocean One as a daily. It's SIGNIFICANTLY more comfortable than my Model Y and yes, it's better built.
Could have been even better if Henrik hadn't gotten in the way.
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I think all reviewers would say the same. That Austrian factory is used to pumping out well build vehicles. Fisker's issue is/was the SW. They should have hired a better team and stole talent from US companies. You proboly could pick up a few hundred from laid-off/pissed Tesla devs!