Russia as Helplessly Rotten Spot of World Civilization (1877)
INTERNATIONALLooks like she's tryna drown the world lol
“Tell me what I want to know, world!!”
Where's the money, Worldowski? Where's the fucking money, ballhead?
It’s in there let me just take another look.
Looks at moon What the fuck is that?
It really brings the room together.
- Hold up a blank piece of paper. Off to Siberia. 1937 off to Siberia. 1905 off to Siberia
Jeez, look at OP's post history...
There's just straight up racism.
You see Russia I have depicted you as a soyjak, and myself as a chad. It was over before you began.
to be fair those two are famous historical paintings that have interesting context surrounding it.
As long as you are willing to believe that all population of Ukraine were cossacks and entire Russia were barge haulers
Barge haulers were actually pretty well paid at the time, and they were organised into self-governing cooperatives.
Very true, but talk about shit job.
Just looked at his other post before looking at this one, downvoted both lol. Bro really doesn't like the. Russian Federation lol
Edit: definitely a Ukrainian bot.
downvoted both lol
That’ll show him!
Dude probably uses "orc" unironically
Ukrainians have full right to dislike the way Russians treated them historically and now. Especially when the same Russians are currently committing a genocide against them.
Generalization is a seed of discord. You can dislike Russia without being a piece of shit to Russian people.
Have you ever read "Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil?"
Basically it lays out that most Germans in Nazi Germany were people trying to fit in with normal social expectations, including serving in the military, running concentration camps, and going home and kissing their wife, thinking it was normal.
I'm sure most Russians are trying to be good people. But they live in a system where every dollar (Ruble) of labor, 10 cents of it goes to funding a total war economy. One that if left to continue victory in Ukraine, will almost certainly go onto invade the Baltic states if Putin remains in power.
So even if those Russians are trying to be good people, by succumbing to Russian propaganda and furthering the war machine, they are responsible for the actions of the Russian state and it's democide in Ukraine.
Exactly, they still doesn't realise this war and the Gaza wars are caused by years of hatred and they will only continue like a cycle
You can, but how to justify then typing on reddit instead of fighting Russia in trenches. Usually racism is a tool of cowards to justify their shitty fear.
Is there a passport for good russians yet?
Imagine losing your grandparents in a missile strike, your sister gets raped and shot in a occupied town, your POW brother gets his head cut off on video after russians capture him. Then some fat ass on the internet tells you:
Generalization is a seed of discord. You can dislike Russia without being a piece of shit to Russian people.
Lmao
There are people who actually suffered in the war. And then there are people miles and miles away from the frontline who actually scream the most.
I personally make a distrinction between the two.
You're free to disagree. Just keep in mind that you won't help those who died by continuing the cycle of violence - it will result in more dead grandparents, raped sisters and beheaded brothers on both sides.
cycle of violence? The cycle ends when russia leaves Ukraine. simple as that, its not a cycle of hate, its a cycle of aggression of one part against the other.
I agree that it is the thing that needs to happen asap. Is non-stop posting about "inferior Volga-Finns, Mongol-Russians" gonna make that moment come sooner? Doubt it.
The problem is mostly when it's the Westerners that go into the same blood-crazed xenophobic rage, since in their case it's not only unwarranted, but outright hypocritical
why would I do that? the illustration is from 1877 and has nothing to do with OP's history. this is just the world history, chill.
no one is complaining about your username here
Wow like most people with a brain, it looks like he has taken offense to your countrymen trying to murder his.
Yes I should clearly be totally tolerant to this Nazi shit, I see.
Nazi and commies deserve the same fate, a hole in the ground.
Why do communists deserve to die?
Dunno, rightism has been on the rise for a few years already, so when people criticize nazism they feel the weird need to attack communism as well, although I've never seen the opposite happen when speaking poorly about communism...
Whats wrong with it?
He is absolutely delusional Ukraine shill, who is also into posting shit about Russians' ethnic inferiority.
Yeah, but the sad part is how Reddit eats it up.
It is one thing to say "I'm opposed to this country due to its geopolitical stance and actions" and another to unironically argue the people are subhumans.
The gap is often decreasing, it seems
Look, we all dislike Russia and stuff but OP aren't you taking it a step too far?
I can see your post history and some stuff borders on just plain racism.
"Decolonize Russia, back to their mansions in the Steppe! You got paid by Russia you bot, its just antifederationism not anti russians!"
And other variations, cuz i only got the one script
"dislike and stuff"? russia is commiting genocide and is terrorizing Ukrainian civilians on a daily basis. don't try to downplay this
I don't want to throw out the word "hate" like that, i ain't downplaying anything.
Seriously doubt OP is a real person. Likely AI / focus group ran.
Pure propaganda account. Wonder when the powers that be will realise everyone is mindlessly scrolling, now none of this means anything.
it is not about OP's account really. this is just a piece of a really relatable history which is going to exist whether you want it or don't
Comment sections be like:
Russophobic - hell ye
Not russophobic - must be a bot
If you dont see the problem you might be the problem.
It's not a phobia when the threat is real.
Well, maybe if the Russians didn’t want us to be racist towards them, they should stop invading countries. Just a suggestion.
Isn't anti-Semitism justified by that logic?
Conditional racism lol, new west invention
"We are not racist but yall people deserve it"
Its pathetic how russians still believe the lies of their dictator after 2 years of active war. A dictator that is so scared of free speach he puts grandmas into prisons, no free press, no free media or free speach. And somehow all of the world tells a lie and only their dictators "truth" is the truth?
And to be honest, the main reason why Putin invaded Ukraine is that he could not afford Ukranians to show that change was possible in the "russian world". That the poor little brother would become modern democracy and to fight corruption and have a quality of life that was soon to pass that of a russian. That would be the end of putins regime because he has allways run on the lie that he is the only one that can improve russia and to keep it from chaos.
Its pathetic how russians still believe the lies of their dictator after 2 years of active war. A dictator that is so scared of free speach he puts grandmas into prisons, no free press, no free media or free speach. A
You do realise that you just answered your own question? When dissent is silenced, it is very easy to believe the lie, rather than live facing in terror. I have seen it in my family. They are terrified of the government so they do not ask too many questions. because they know it may doom them.
And, of course, there are also lots of people who do not believe what the government says. It's just difficult to voice discontent.
If you're from the west and not russophobic, you deserve to shunned.
Ah yes the western values of ... wait racism???
Hating a nation of people who are openly against you and supporting your destruction is not wrong... I don't care if they're brainwashed they're still a problem.
Russians don't care about western people if you behave nicely to us we are nice to you. This behaviour is only observed when western people visit Russia however western europeans and americans love to go out of their way to hate on us. This is also observed when Russians visit foreign nations.
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Bruh thanks for proving me right, but i already knew it
The overwhelming presence of Russians in this thread is suspicious, yeah.
Its almost like we are annoyed by being potrayed as absolute worthless shit over and over for no reason.
Really sus
To be clear, I disagree with the cartoon as well. I just think it's interesting how the defensive ones in these comments say nothing about the imperialist Russian government while attacking the West.
Im always happy to shit on imperialists just not when its propaganda from other imperialists.
In these cases our imperialists are clearly better than enemy imperialists lol
I know it aint deep but it is what it is
And anyway the posts by russophobes down here are way more deranged and bloodthirsty than any defenders
I mean this is a cartoon about the tsars, nobody is riding for them in 2024.
There sure is a ton of people riding for the "democracy" 's appropriation of greek sculptures for the sake of rubbing "the inferior" off the planet.
Fuck Russians. Worlds smallest fiddle
What is it with this deal lately (I know it isn’t new, far from it, but seems to me it’s just getting stronger) of people legitimately against a war turning out to be against the whole other nation’s right to exist? Or even going as far as claiming their whole culture is false, or barbaric, and should be wholly rejected…
inb4 “Russia’s government also does it with Ukraine” Of course it does, but shit, do I really have to explain it’s bad despite the side you’re on?!
Love some racism and xenophobia in my feed, so tolerant and liberal, not like these pesky Russian orcs
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Are you trying to prove something by this? Kinda pathetic
Just pointing how half of the accounts in this thread are of Russian origin. Hardly a neutral zone.
How you you determine that? Do you have IP logs handy?
15 second scroll through profile
Thanks, you gave me a chuckle.
the username checks
I'm not making a secret of it.
There are still people that are calling out OP and they are not Russian. How do you explain this? Also, you shouldn't be surprised that a lot of Russians are here. I wonder how you would respond if your nationality and people were insulted like this?
Wow, Russian comments in anti-Russian propaganda post, how surprising.
Unsurprisingly still quite relevant.
Russian whataboutist apologists are insane in the comments.
I'm going through and pointing them out in the replies. It's like half of the accounts posting in this thread
Touch grass
Touch tundra
russian trolls in action again
Time passes but nothing changes.
indeed, racism still remains a weapon of political propaganda
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1mo
You talk like someone who is NOT from a country where saying that the geopolitical entity that is Israel is bad will get you in big trouble.
When Ruzzians made themselves orcs, is it a racism at all?
Point in case.
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1mo
then there was the Mongolian Golden Horde,
The Golden Horde occupied large parts of modern day Ukraine, not to mention nomadic polities such as the Kipchaks, Cumans, Magyars, Bulgars, Huns, Sarmatians that used to live there beforehand.
The "Haha you're a Mongol" argument sounds like copium.
And anti-Asian too. Mongolia is a functioning democracy
Racism is also used as a term to describe discrimination of not only racial but also ethnic group, it's stated even in Wikipedia
Then, what did you want to say by claiming that modern day Moscow (and it seems, by extension, all of Russia) is some Mongols+Finns and some negligible amount of Slavs? That Russians are not European? Okay, let's presume it's true, so what? Come on, don't be shy and express your racist bs out loud.
Yes, and denying people of their identity and clauming that their country is inherently evil is not racist at all
You can say the same about Ukraine because there were many nationalities living there, including Asian tribes such as the Pechenegs, Bulgars, Polovtsians, Khazars. Ukrainians also tend to have darker hair and brown eyes.
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And what's your point? Did the pechenegs not live on the territory of Ukraine?
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1mo
Ironically, even your first statement in itself is rooted in racism, as the claim that Russians are mostly Finno-Ugric and Mongolian is used to prove that they are supposedly "an Asiatic race" and therefore inferior. In fact, while there is a significant Finno-Ugric element in Russian genetics, it is the strongest in the north (which was actually far more peaceful and democratic, having multiple republics), while Muscovy was not genetically all that different from, say, modern Ukraine.
Also, the Golden Horde was primarily Turkic, not Mongol: the Mongols absorbed other nomadic nations into their empire, so by the time their armies came to the Rus there weren't many actual Mongols in it.
Russia as an entity has been causing problems... as authoritarian imperialist states tend to. Not because of some essentialist fantasy about the "evil Russian soul", it is just a matter of politics.
Why do people vehemently hate Russia and the Russians? It is one of the most diverse and rich cultures in the world. Russophobia is bad and Russophobes are similar to the Nazis in terms of their colonial mindset. Not good.
Why do people vehemently hate Russia and the Russians?
Gee! That's a real head-scratcher!! /s
Yeah... I do not understand either. Colonizing westwards and threatening nuclear holocaust is not worth mentioning
Geee what happened
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Because Russia has been been doing the same shit they’re doing right now in Ukraine since the time of the mongol empire
Most countries in Europe have been doing this shit until like 50 years ago. It is not a good idea to claim that one nation is somehow inherently evil because they have been imperialist for 700 years, while another nation isn't because it has been imperialist for 650 years.
It is absolutely right to criticise and attack the Russian state, but the idea that the Russians as a whole are somehow evil or inferior is not only ignorant but counterproductive, as it is used by the Putinist government for propaganda.
Yeah. Europe stopped doing it and stated clearly it was wrong.
Russia is raping it's neighbours this very minute.
Hence why I am saying it is absolutely right to attack the Russian state. And you know what is counterproductive to that goal? Saying that Russia will always be evil, that Russian culture is inherently bad, that the country is hopeless and unchangeable. Because in doing so, you help promote the Putinist narrative that 1) Russia must be an autocracy, and 2) Russia and the Western world are BOUND to be at war.
The problems in Eastern Europe can only end when Russia makes peace with its neighbours, and it is only possible if Russia itself undergoes internal changes. And it is very difficult to convince the common people of Russia to do so when European governments are doing their best to antagonise said common people. Take the ridiculous restrictions for Russians fleeing mobilisation and dictatorship. They ended up forcing many emigres to return, and this in fact *boosted* the Russian economy, strengthening Putinism.
And you know what is counterproductive to that goal? Saying that Russia will always be evil, that Russian culture is inherently bad, that the country is hopeless and China
The country which would have formed in the area now known as Russia was always going to be, and will continue to be, the same - there's too much momentum from their ancient family structure for anything else. At least with Germany and Japan, you can use their family structure to top-down force liberalization, but not with Russia or China
What "ancient family structure"? The extended family that existed in the Tsarist times is now long-gone, and the collapse of the USSR brought about a pretty significant alteration of the family structure as well. The kind of family that is common in modern Russia, while a pretty fucked up one - with a very high level of divorces, the children often raised by the mother and the grandmother, very insular - has existed for less than a century at best.
Oh no, I’m not saying the other European powers never did anything imperialist. It’s just that unlike the other European countries who mostly stopped with their imperialism (though France’s actions in the African francosphere are very much objectionable).
It’s just that Russia never really changed.
Their army is still full of dipshits just like it was when the Czar was still in power because educated people were either excempt from military service or didn’t have to serve as long.
Russia is a dying empire whose leaders don't want to accept this fact.
It spend nearly 70 years feasting on the carcasses of Eastern Europe and as soon as it lost those it lost everything that supported its greatness.
And even when it did have its empire almost none of the stolen wealth made it to the common people. Yet exactly these people, who suffer for the benefit of the oligarchs and putin or get used as cannon fodder to realise the fever dreams of these old rich and senile old men seem to be frozen in political apathy and just silently go along with it.
Oh, come on, you aren't beating the racism accusations by propping more racist stereotypes. Alcohol consumption in Russia has in fact been steadily dropping until 2022 (when it rose due to the war). Nor has it served as a good defense against social unrest. Drunken riots were in fact a major problem back in the day and they still are now.
"Russia" is not a single entity. It cannot "realise" or "not realise" things because it does not have a brain. The ruling class of Russia certainly is fairly old and stuck in the times. That is the main problem, not the average Ivan in Tver.
Still nothing compared to the shit West has been doing in Libya and countless other "places that need democracy".
Lmao you think Libya is in any way comparable to Ukraine? Oh yes I remember France saying it’s full of gay Jewish satanic Nazis who produce super soldiers in bio labs and that it’s historically French land.
While Gaddafis Fall was certainly not very good for the state of the country it’s not comparable to a genocidal war of aggression against a neighbouring country that gave up its Nukes in return for security guarantees.
Russia needs to learn a lesson. Like France in Algeria and the US in Vietnam
If you think that you might have overdosed on commie propaganda. Good luck windowlicker. Keep defending the worst people that ever crawled out of Satan's ass
The reason why Russia was being called backward in 1877 is because it was a poorly industrialized state with an incredibly authoritarian system of government. And their response to such criticisms is not “Maybe we should change,” it’s “Russophobia” and “But you did something similar!” That and the Russians unironically call others imperialists while fighting wars against countries who do not bow to their will.
United Russia’s political ideology has converted Russia into a far right state that constantly wishes to invade the rest of Europe, employs Nazis like Dugin as propagandists and imperialists and literal Nazis like Girkin and Utkin as its foot soldiers. They use their fighting against the Nazis as a shield for how Nazi-like their own country has become, and criticism that the Soviet Union allied with the Nazis to start the Second World War.
Russia and russians have been a scourge upon europe and its neighbours for its entire existance. They as a people and culture treat suffering as a virtue and oppression as a alternative to freedom. Russia and russians has had many opportunities to release themselves of despotism and dictatorship. No other people has had the opportunities in regards of natural resources and scuandered it as bad as the russians. They are a people that is not culturally able to create or innovate to their potential.
Create or innovate comes from a country that started as pillagers lmao. Maybe we should compare Sweden and Russia in terms of science, music, literature or any other sort of art?
Where would you rather live ?
Have you read Dostoevsky or Tolstoy? Russia is a cultural powerhouse and to say otherwise is actually ridiculous
Do you even know what the Nazis were? Hint: Putinism borrows from it from to time.
The West portraying countries that don’t want to be under their boot as barbaric and uncivilized, this story is getting old…
It’s not a racial reason, Russia was poorly industrialized, neo-feudal and under a heavily authoritarian system of government
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So?
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lol you would live better if you were under our boot no doubt
maybe Russia should stop acting barbarically and they would be treated better internationally? makes one think.
While I agree that Russia has done a fair share of atrocities to other countries I don't think that "Well, they started it first" is a good idea long term. "Eye for an eye" will leave the whole blind and all that stuff - let's not forget that Hitler came to power due to resentment that Germans experienced after they lost WW1 and had to agree to the terms of Treaty of Versailles.
Lol, what do u mean "barbaric"? Give examples when "non barbaric" Europe behaved better, including in relation to Russia
Genius lmao
Russian empire and later USSR occupied Baltic states, Caucasus, Ukraine and more during which it not only repressed local minorities, but also openly genocided them. Read up what happened to Circassians and Crimean Tatars, also Holodomor. Not to mention considering current Russian invasion of Ukraine with all massacres like Bucha and more I think it's very fair to say that Russia is barbaric country.
Meanwhile Britain was busy inventing the concentration Camp and the King of Belgium was mutilating thousands for tire rubber
Russian Empire occupied Ukraine
AHAHAHAHAH REALLY?
yes? It did. It even enforced Russification on official level.
Russia has been an authorian regime for the last 25 years. has become a dictatorship lately. Russia has also upgraded to become a fascist regime with their use of religion to boost their militarism. Russian church calls the war in ukraine for a "holy war" and that soldiers dying is doing so in christ name against satanism. A church controlled by the state. Militarism of its youth with schools having parades, having soldiers visiting to "teach" of the war, have parades and military youth camps. The final straw of evidence that russia is a fascist regime is their openly plans for expansionism with "historic rus" as their natural border.
To not be against what is happening inside russia today is the same as to not be against what happened in nazi germany. Its a level of good vs evil we have not seen since then. The lie of it being NATO being the aggressor with "expansionism" is plain wrong. Ukraine, a free country themself wanted to join EU and NATO, a choice that russia has no say in. And if NATO was such a threat, why didnt putin cry more when Finland joined, a country with a much larger border and closer to st petersburg and moscow? And why is russia removing soldiers fro mtheir border to nato and leaving it more or less unguarded for an invasion? i though nato was a threat?
Something never changes
Still true to this day
there is an element of truth to this. Russians seem to be drawn to awful leaders.
That’s because it shouldn’t exist with its current borders and only an iron-fisted strongman can hold that mess together. As soon as they have a week leader, the rest of the states will break off & china will get a nice chunk too
Haters always hated
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Russian expansionism has allways been a target for hate for a rightful reason. Today its openly embracing fascism with both the church and state adopted the idea of "historic rus" as ideology. The church call it a holy war and blesses it and wants all of the slavic world under its control, Putin himself talking about the need of militarism and aggressive politics to siege an opportunity to siege land and control of its region when the world turns multipolar in its geopolitics. If someone even remotely know the criteria needed to call a country fascist it would see the obvious similarities with Putins russia.
history repeats itself
kremlin bots busy in this thread
Idk what you are reffering to, but OPs history is really questionable at best, downright racist and ignorat at worst.
I'm a Romanian myself and have all the reasons in the World to dislike Russia but i feel this is a bridge too far...
Yup, The literal weekend warriors have arrived
to far? its not racist, its against the regime controlling russia, not its people.
Just go through what OP has been saying, it's very clear hes targeting the people of Russia, not the regime in Russia.
every accusation is a confession
Apparently having common sense is now considered a kremlin bot. God I miss when internet was still funny.
considering Russia's actions through out its history towards its neighbours and its citizens, it is definitely a spot of the world most appalling.
Japan is really not much better
So easy to spot these Russian posters, they’re always the ones vehemently both-sidesing the most heinous human rights violations
Just because I’m an alcoholic doesn’t mean I’m Russian, I’m Korean
Ok fair enough, I get the appropriate comparison
Russias awesome btw
Poor Russia. Always tries to come to the adults’ table, always fails because the incompetence and banal ambition of its leaders. It’s going to fit right in as China’s gas station in the bad end of town. You know the ones, that still sell single cigarettes and those little glass tubes with paper flowers
I find it funny how many pro russians there are here. It must be that their love of propaganda brings them here. They try to spin this as being racist against an ethnicity and not for what it is, anti russian regime.
I think deep down the pro-Putin shills know how doomed their country is. Thanks to people like them, Russia is rapidly becoming irrelevant outside of it inevitably becoming a nuclear-powered vassal of China. Edit: Case in point they can barely hold their own against a minuscule amount of out-dated NATO hardware, and have had their Black Sea fleet humiliated by a country without a navy
bro didn't you see their tank at the parade last week? they have a *tank*
This is borderline a meme
Propaganda posters or prophecy posters?
Edit - Russia is another case of a nation with generally good people and a rich culture (art, literature, music, architecture, cinema, plus defeating the National Socialists, Russia contributed A LOT to the world), stained by rulers much more horrible than it deserved.
I would gladly exchange all the great russian culture for them being nice & kind people. Not going to war with other people, not raping other people, not stealing other people's homes
Putin has significant popular support. They're complicit
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Edit: lol downvotes
Noooo how can you say some ethnicity aren't comically evil Asiatic orcs, you are bots
who has said anything about ethnicity? We are talking about a country, a regime and not some inner fault of being ethnitic slavic?
Check OP's post history and his comment about Russians being Finno-Mongols
We can tell you're Russian from your profile, just like all the others in this thread. Don't try to deny it
We can tell you're Russian
Yes I am, and?
just like all the others in this thread
All of them? Sure? Btw, are these Russians here, in this room with us?
Touch grass
Putin really psy-opped Western leftists into supporting an imperialist, homophobic, Russo-supremacist regime.
Stalin didnt go far enough
Yeah he shoulda starved the entirety of the ussr
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