One of the most popular matchups: Is it spite matchup or very close?
Animehere come the "he has no senjutsu" wankers...
Wtf does that mean?
basically there are a few people on this sub who seem to think that you can't kill madara at all without senjutsu. They use it to say someone like yogiri loses to madara
Fuck Yogiri all my homies hate Yogiri.
So basically like the ds fans and op fans with the “no Nichirin Blade” and “no Haki”
Funny how you left out bleach fans with "no reiatsu"
True and I also forgot “no cursed energy” from JJK fans
This one doesn't even make sense because we know ordinary weapons can harm people with cursed energy
Unfortunately a vast majority of JJK fans don't know how to read
the only reason people use this is because people with little amounts or no cursed energy can't see cursed techniques
Actually people with no cursed energy can see curses
People like Maki and toji can sense curses as a result of their heavenly restriction, but can't see them. Maki needed glasses to see curses.
Yes but they may as well be irrelevant to the higher tiers
Yeah but the point being made is that you don't need to have cursed energy to harm people with cursed energy. A punch from Goku isn't magically going to get blocked by Sukuna just because he has lots of cursed energy.
Tbf this is can theorically being applied to Curses like Jogo and Mahito.
It doesn't work like that but it's not that much of a stretch
no, cuz cursed spirits exist tard
Plus we got maki and toji, maki barely has any cursed energy, and toji has absolutely none due to heavenly restriction and they’re both top tier characters, hard to believe jjk fans are this dumb
Maki also has none.
Maki can’t see curses before becoming awakened, usually the argument shows up in the form that people without curses energy either cant see curses techniques or can avoid being caught in domain expansions.
You forgot the “can’t get past infinity jjk fans”
Unlike the other ones tho, this isn’t an incompatibility between power systems, just a limiter on the type of character that can beat gojo.
I’ve never seen a bleach fan bring that up without the other person arguing bringing up some bs similar to that
Nah reiatsu crush gg was a thing for a long ass time. It's only recently now that verse equalization has become the standard for these debates that people no longer bring it up
Reiatsu crush is different from ‘no reiatsu’. One is “their so strong they kill others by proximity” and the other is “your character can’t even perceive them”
So if it just became a thing and every verse has a version of “no reiatsu” then what was the whole point in soloing out bleach? Dont tell me you were salty?
They use it all the time to justify their delusions of Bleach beating DB.
Ok buddy
I've never met a single person that NLF'd "No Reiatsu"
but much much worse
Jonathan Joestar wrecks the entire demon slayer universe with his fists.
Good argument, however: No haki. Wakainu, Wuzan and Wizaru all solo your favorite verse.
Hamon is literally sun energy it is specifically for killing vampires demons from slayer slayer die to the sun so hamon should be able to kill them
But "no haki" is true for logia users
Wdym man Shitgiri obviously loses to Madara. Smh get your facts right man. Even I beat Shitgiri.
Ok but yogiri does lose to madara, but only because he’s below fiction
Lmao
Yeah but even if that’s true Aizen is one a spirit so you could argue that madara can’t even touch him or see him and Aizen is also literally immortal so at worst they just both can’t kill the other
I mean... He even stated himself that 8 gates Guy almost killed him...
Senjutsu is jutsu derived from sage mode which isn’t part of the 5 nature transformations and can therefore damage a ten tails jinchuriki who is immune to said nature transformations. Therefore it is one of the few things that can damage a ten tails jinchuriki. Many of these “no senjutsu” wankers fail to remember taijutsu (cqc) is also a way to damage ten tails jinchuriki as it is also not part of the 5 nature transformations and also forget sealing is an option.
What about the Universal Susanoo wankers?
lol, he's joking
It was still funny to scroll down and immediately see that
Aizen solos the verse by just standing there. Not to mention he outscales and outhaxes by a longshot if Madara survives his presence.
Madara still a cool character tho
The only guy who could look at god and say "Welcome to my soul society"
“Yokoso Watashi no soul society”
God he’s so cool..
Aizen solos the verse
Barragan* soloes every non Ootsusuki in it by just flying around and using Respira (wich roughly translates to breathing)
and he probably takes a few of them Ootsusuki too
Naruto Hokage tier characters have to sacrifice their lives just to gain access to the basic Shinigami skill of separating a soul from a body and they viewed that Shinigami like a god
also Boruto's strongest character to date was confirmed to have cast its body aside to become a spiritual being aka a Bleach character lol
outscales and outhaxes
Yeah the guy who cried about not being able to cut a hill 😭
"We're not passing first grade reading with this one" 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥
"We not zipping aizen's pants with this one" 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥
Sorry, don't blame me for actually knowing basic information a about a series. I'll leave you to your brainrot agenda pushing if you want.
Blud acting like the only comment he made isn't brain rot agenda pushing 💀
It's a braindead response to a braindead comment, there was no actual point in there to discuss for it to be a normal response.
S2U
Who tf still uses that?
Google says this is something about clothes, so idk what it supposed to be abbreviated from.
"Same 2 u" Dumbass 😭
Spite match. 100% a spite match.
1: Illusions. Kyoka Suigetsu is applied by looking at its blade, which the Sharingan automatically does. The moment the battle starts, Madara would see Aizen’s blade and be put under an unbreakable illusion.
”But Madara can see through genjutsu!” Not Aizen’s. Yhwach had The Almighty, which gives perfect precognition, lets the user negate any ability they see used in the future, and grants the ability to alter the future and apply those changes to the present, yet he was still susceptible to Kyoka Suigetsu. Madara’s sharingan/rinnegan don’t hold a candle to the abilities The Almighty grants, which means that Madara isn’t breaking out of Aizen’s illusions.
2: Aizen massively outspeeds Madara. Bleach has several FTL feats throughout the series. From Uryu outspeeding his shadow, to the Lieutenants dodging something referred to as light 3 times in the same page, to Aaroniero dodging sunlight, to Nanao jumping from a shadow on the ground to a shadow on Lille Barro’s face before the ball of light he made erased the shadows on the ground. Aizen is among the fastest characters in the series due to massively outscaling the lieutenants and most of the captains.
3: Aizen has much greater AP. Madara’s greatest DC feats without the 9 tails or 10 tails are cutting a mountain with his susanoo and dropping meteors. Aizen scales far above Ulquiorra, who was able to do this. The structure in the image is Las Noches which, at the absolute lowest calculated size, is almost twice the size of Massachusetts. The shockwaves produced by the explosion are much larger than Las Noches.
4: “Aizen doesn’t have senjutsu!” That doesn’t matter. All of Aizen’s attacks directly target the soul, which means physical durability is irrelevant to his attacks.
But but no senjutsu (Blud died to something non senjutsu iirc)
Black zetsu didn't kill him there, he died after Kaguya got sealed, also he was controlling six paths Obito
didn't he get sealed or smthn?
Nah i remember black zetsu fisted him to turn him into kaguya killing madara in the process iirc
I literally dont know anything lol
Neither do I but senjutsu solos
also that typo in your flair is killing my ass xD
You’re 🤓
lol
You remember byakuya did to ichigo when they first met? Flash stepped so fast ichigo didn't realize that he moved. That's way aizen does to madara except he doesn't pull out his sword
Yep. In layman’s terms, it’s what Aizen did to Ichigo at the end of the Soul Society arc except Aizen doesn’t make sure that he lives
Eh there's some counter arguments to be had but I agree that Aizen wins.
That's post transcendence Aizen, and he did it to base Yhwach with no almighty... So it's possible if Madara pre activated his Sharingan he might be fine.
Both verses have lots of FTL scalings but yeah Bleach has more. And actually depicts it a lot better.
If you're gonna scale Aizen to Ulquiorra like that similar arguments could/should be made with Deidara who's scales far below Madara... And Madara did NOT cut the mountains with his Susanoo he unsheathed his sword and the mere air pressure/energy of him doing that destroyed the mountains in the distance. Similar to what Aizen thought he did in his battle vs Ichigo (except it was Ichigo)
Ywach literally got tricked by kyoka suigetsu in the final battle with ichigo aizen/renji when he absorbed soul king.
That only worked because Aizen hit him with kyoka suigetsu before he regained the almighty, so he was already under its effect. Aizen’s zanpakuto only activates once and he can just decide to influence your senses whenever he wants. Because of this Yhwach didn’t know he was under its effects and Aizen was able to manipulate his future sight.
Yeah the wank speed feets, like kid naruto can't be wanked to ftl in the haku fight
Literally no idea how a bum ass hypnosis can work against someone who has eyes that can see past reality. is a master of hypnosis (better than aizen) himself.
Aizen's greatest feat is crying about not being able to cut a small hill
don't know how being targetted at the soul by passes the reanimation thingy. how tf does attacking at a physical body attack the soul anyway, bleach and naruto don't have the same concepts of soul either. and if we are talking about verse equalization then aizen should be able to get killed by truth seeking orbs too.
He is not better then aizen in Illusions. Aizens illusions are 100% perfekt with no seeing through them. Not even the almighty was able to deal with them.
Bleach's inability to see through basic hypnosis doesn't constitute a negative for the naruto verse.
Literally the most basic genjutsu is the exact same thing as KS, it manipulates the 5 sense with chakra. and the even the most fodder characters are able to resist it to a certain extent.
Genjutsu has evolved to the point it can literally manipulate reality. You have to be mentally insane to think KS compares to that.
As said it effects way more then the five senses and is as absolute as hax normaly are. KS alters reality for everyone under the effect of KS. You cant escape and you cant see through em. Not even with the almighty and its ability to alter all infinite timelines was it ab.le to see through the illusions
And bro forgot what itachi did that shit back in OG naruto 😭
bro has complete control over space and time in his tsukiyomi Bro made kakashi experience 3 days of torture in countless bodies in 1 second. Where do bleach meatriders get off like its crazy. I have no idea how people can think simple hypnosis trumps putting every living thing in an ACTUAL absolute hypnosis, or genjutsu that can literally manipulate reality. lock the opponent in a infinite loop until their complete psychology changes or even be able to completely put anyone in absolute control in everyway.
They dont manipulate reality. They manipulate perceived reality. They are illusions.
Its cool that you have three days of torture but that isnt an infinite loop and is actually far from it.
No genjutsu has ever been shown to be absolute. All them naruto dickeiders am i right
Nah bruh no way Im gonna have to give proof over the most obvious shit anyone with eyes would've known after watching the show.
They dont manipulate reality. They manipulate perceived reality. They are illusions.
No danzo quite literally manipulates reality with genjutsu
Actual real physical reality, he is like a Walmart yuha, and every person with a sharingan can do that at least 1 time per sharingan. Google izanagi
Its cool that you have three days of torture but that isnt an infinite loop and is actually far from it.
Bro might have actually never watched naruto. The 3 days thing is tsukoyomi. the infinite loop thing is Izanami (Made to counter Izanagi which is a reality warping genjutsu)
No genjutsu has ever been shown to be absolute
Infinite tsukoyomi is,
Izanami as I said, Is
There is no way to get out of the former, and in order to get out of the latter u have accept the attacks will and change ur entire mind basically turning into a completely different person.
There is no way to avoid infinite tsukoyomi either, you need a very verse specific, wings of a 6 path susano to cover u in order to avoid it. or else every living thing on the planet is instantly put into a eternal dream.
Izanagi actually kinda cool but still doesnt change the fact that it takes your eye. The same for izanami. The effect of izanagi basically resolves itself because it lasts incredibly short. Izanami can be escaped by accepting the real result of their actions or something like that.
KS has no such weaknesses and works forever.
Bro forgot infinite tsukoyomi 💀
But u do understand by accepting the change izanami bring aizen will permanently lose his will to fight against madara, not only that if izanami could manipulate his desire to the point he can even lose hogyoku, as hogyoku runs on the desire of the user or something, making him lose him immortality (again not a 100% sure if this is how it works but if it is then izanami is a win con against aizen)
But ignore all that and infinite tsukoyomi still solos.
literally the most basic genjutsu is the exact same thing as KS
So is the Infinite Tsukuyomi. The difference between the two genjutsu is that IT is inescapable, much like Kyoka Suigetsu.
So is the Infinite Tsukuyomi.
No its not, it does far more than just manipulate ur 5 sense. if that's all it did it couldn't manipulate dreams, neither could it be eternal. neither could it freaking grow tree root things that put every victim in a caccon, and it would also not be inevitable and inescapable
The only difference between KS and IT is that the IT uses the subconscious desires of the target. Everything else is identical in effect. From control of the target’s senses to its inescapability.
The IT didn’t make cocoons. That was Madara’s Six Paths Deep Forest Emergence.
That was Madara’s Six Paths Deep Forest Emergence.
Huh? can u show me proof for this
The only difference between KS and IT is that the IT uses the subconscious desires of the target. Everything else is identical in effect. From control of the target’s senses to its inescapability.
Nope, people can still move their body under ks, where as they are completely at the mercy of IT.
can u show me proof for this
Here.
Its leading no where
The difference is that Bleach has numerous clear FTL feats while Naruto only has one until the Raikage fight.
Because the same hypnosis worked against someone with perfect precognition, power negation, and future alteration. Namely abilities far superior than Madara’s pink eye.
Pretty much every fighter in Bleach is a soul. All attacks in Bleach target the soul. Damage to the soul is reflected on the body in both series, such as Orochimaru losing his ability to use his arms after Hiruzen sealed his arms’ souls and the Edo Tensei not being able to regenerate after being hit with TSO.
All TSO do is allow Madara the possibility of harming Aizen (pre hogyoku), but Madara would have to put more chakra into his attacks than the reiatsu that Aizen passively releases in order to harm him at all. But if you’re using TSO then Aizen gets the Hogyoku, which means he has passive regen, adaptive evolution, and absolute immortality. In other words, he completely negates the effect of TSO’s.
The difference is that Bleach has numerous clear FTL feats while Naruto only has one until the Raikage fight.
Naruto also has many after raikage fight...
Because the same hypnosis worked against someone with perfect precognition, power negation, and future alteration. Namely abilities far superior than Madara’s pink eye.
How does bleach's inability to resist hypnosis constitute as a negative for naruto verse?
Sharingan/ rinnegan also has perfect precognition(non future sight), truth seeking orbs also has power negation, and genjutsu can even manipulate reality yet sasuke clearly states that infinite tsukoyomi would've got them into the eternal dream too. the only reason it didn't was the wings of a 6 path susano, which is a verse specific defense.
Pretty much every fighter in Bleach is a soul. All attacks in Bleach target the soul. Damage to the soul is reflected on the body in both series, such as Orochimaru losing his ability to use his arms after Hiruzen sealed his arms’ souls and the Edo Tensei not being able to regenerate after being hit with TSO.
I can still make a argument as to how the souls in naruto and in bleach work differently, and this wouldn't work without verse equalization but I wont make that argument just cause cba
All TSO do is allow Madara the possibility of harming Aizen (pre hogyoku), but Madara would have to put more chakra into his attacks than the reiatsu that Aizen passively releases in order to harm him at all. But if you’re using TSO then Aizen gets the Hogyoku, which means he has passive regen, adaptive evolution, and absolute immortality. In other words, he completely negates the effect of TSO’s.
Madara still has izanami which is like the perfect wincon against a hogyoku user, as hogyoku is dependent on the users desire. and izanami is what completely changes the victims psyche. so aizen would either be stuck into a infinite loop forever or would accept izanami and permanently lose his will to fight against madara. or even in a ideal situation changing aizen's psychic might end up with the hogyoku refusing him as a owner and separating from him, making him lose his immortality (not 100% sure if this is how it works)
or else the most basic wincon, infinite tsukoyomi puts aizen in a eternal dream where he dreams about being able to fight against madara, and it works on any living thing, there is no way to escape or resist it. and the only way to avoid it is a verse specific counter that aizen doesn't have. and also, unlike ks u don't have to look at madara for that to start, it has a planetary range where everything living gets affected.
Naruto also has many after raikage fight
Which is why I specified until the Raikage fight
Bleach doesn’t have an inability to resist illusions. Several are taught in the shinigami academy. KS is the equivalent of a pocket Infinite Tsukuyomi in a world full of Binding Tree Death genjutsu.
The Sharingan/Rinnegan doesn’t have perfect precognition. they have predictive abilities, but they are weak, which is why the Uchiha weren’t the strongest people in the verse.
TSO have ninjutsu negation, not power negation. With verse equalization they’d negate Kido and physical zanpakuto abilities.
Yes, and?
Izanami only works until the target stops trying to run from the results of their actions and accept who they are , like Kabuto did. What makes you think that Aizen hasn’t accepted who he is? Additionally, what makes you think that Madara would sacrifice one of his eyes?
Funny thing about the Infinite Tsukuyomi, it doesn’t work on nonliving beings. That’s why the Edo Hokage were unaffected by it. Aizen is a soul, which is a decidedly nonliving being. So he’d be immune to the Infinite Tsukuyomi. Not any other sharingan genjutsu, only the Infinite Tsukuyomi.
Bleach doesn’t have an inability to resist illusions. Several are taught in the shinigami academy. KS is the equivalent of a pocket Infinite Tsukuyomi in a world full of Binding Tree Death genjutsu.
Just much weaker, with far less control over the victim, much less effective application and not even remotely comparable range.
The Sharingan/Rinnegan doesn’t have perfect precognition. they have predictive abilities, but they are weak, which is why the Uchiha weren’t the strongest people in the verse.
Its the best it can be without having true future sight, literally what I said. also, uchiha are the strongest...
Izanami only works until the target stops trying to run from the results of their actions and accept who they are , like Kabuto did. What makes you think that Aizen hasn’t accepted who he is? Additionally, what makes you think that Madara would sacrifice one of his eyes?
aizen clearly hasn't lol that's what Ichigo was yapping about him after defeating him. If there is literally no other why for madara to win why wont he use it, especially considering he can just get another eye from another uchiha.
Funny thing about the Infinite Tsukuyomi, it doesn’t work on nonliving beings. That’s why the Edo Hokage were unaffected by it. Aizen is a soul, which is a decidedly nonliving being. So he’d be immune to the Infinite Tsukuyomi. Not any other sharingan genjutsu, only the Infinite Tsukuyomi.
Nope this is where verse differences show out. Souls in bleach and edo things in naruto are completely different. Soul repeaers etc bleed, they breate, they age they die etc. edo tensei people don't have any of these properties, they are essentially intangible zombies.
No, several of the illusions in Bleach have identical effects to the ones in Naruto, such as the Kido that Rukia used to make the shinigami guards fall unconscious.
Madara and Obito were the strongest, not the Uchiha as a whole.
Ichigo made a guess. We see in TYBW that Aizen still has the Hogyoku and even greater power than before.
Souls in Bleach are also completely imperceivable to people without reiatsu, so if we’re gonna specify the differences then Madara can’t even perceive Aizen.
Souls in Bleach are also completely imperceivable to people without reiatsu, so if we’re gonna specify the differences then Madara can’t even perceive Aizen.
Rinnegan can see entinties from differnent realities, I dont see simple souls cant be perceived by madara. where as soul reapers are a completely different things than intangible zombies.
Madara and Obito were the strongest, not the Uchiha as a whole.
I mean there was a whole big problem where uchihas were constantly dying of infighting cause so many of them had MS and wanted ems or something, which lead to the over use of izanage which again led to the development of isanagi. If uchihas really had a fuckign brain they could've soloed the verse many times over but they kill each other multiple times for different reasons.
Ichigo made a guess. We see in TYBW that Aizen still has the Hogyoku and even greater power than before.
I don't see how this is relevant. are u saying Ichigo is wrong or something? cause that "guess" is the crux of aizen's entire motivation to do everything that he did and also the reason why he lost control over the hogyoku in the end of the Ichigo fight.
Rinnegan can see things in Limbo, which is an alternate dimension overlayed on reality. They can’t see things in other dimensions besides that.
Madara and Izuna were the first Uchiha since Indra to unlock the Mangekyo Sharingan. Canonically there were only 7 people in Naruto who unlocked the Mangekyo, not counting filler content. Those people in order are Indra, Madara/Izuna, Obito, Shisui, Itachi, and Sasuke.
The reason for the infighting is that Uchiha would kill their friends and family in an attempt to unlock the Mangekyo.
Yes, Ichigo was wrong. Aizen’s motivation from the beginning was to surpass the Soul King so he couldn’t be controlled by anyone.
Rinnegan can see things in Limbo, which is an alternate dimension overlayed on reality. They can’t see things in other dimensions besides that.
Why? thats like saying a character who can destroy a building cant destroy a wall. Seeing entities from another reality is far more impressive than seeing souls, I don't see how they wont be able to see them.
Madara and Izuna were the first Uchiha since Indra to unlock the Mangekyo Sharingan. Canonically there were only 7 people in Naruto who unlocked the Mangekyo, not counting filler content. Those people in order are Indra, Madara/Izuna, Obito, Shisui, Itachi, and Sasuke.
Ait so now idk if it was filler or not, but in the izanami flash back at least a dozen more ninjas unlock ms
The reason for the infighting is that Uchiha would kill their friends and family in an attempt to unlock the Mangekyo.
exactly
Yes, Ichigo was wrong. Aizen’s motivation from the beginning was to surpass the Soul King so he couldn’t be controlled by anyone.
This is based on what, and what if that was his dream and not his true self, and as izanami would force aizen to abandon this dream(desire) hogyoku would reject him.
Bleach lightspeed is misinterpreted tbh, or light just isn’t fast in the verse
Given as how Gin’s Bankai speed was seen as a huge deal, even though it was just Mach 500
And this was several arcs after the ‘lightspeed’ feats
Gin lied about his bankai.
aIzEn dOeSn'T hAvE sEnJuTsU, mAdArA wInS nO dIfF.
Seriously though, based on current scaling, Aizen should take this.
Aizen is butchering the verse let alone Madara.
Hill tier
spite. aizen negs + the verse
Get past hill level
Ok.
The almighty is the ability to manipulate the entire future and influence and infinite amount of timelines. He was unable to even as much as damage aizen. He needed to absorbed to be dealt with which is also not permanent. Ywach would have oblitared the three realms near instantly if it wasnt for ichigo and “friends”. Even lower scaling characters would have destroyed the confimed to be universed size soul society if they used their full abilities to long.
Visionary was able to easily create meteors which scales him to madara and kenpachi who scales massively lower cut them with ease. Funnily enough kenpachis strength outscales the imagination of gremmy which did this madara level feat by so much gremmy oneshot himself.
Depending on the aizen we take he is literally immortal so madara dont got nothing him.
Aizen can literally stand still and tank every attack the Naruto verse has to offer, with no damage
Forget about 1000 years of death ?
/thread, but im not sure if madara knows it.
It's very much a spite matchup. Anyone arguing that Madara can win here needs to stop gobbling his meat.
dawg zip up that hill level fodders pants after u done lmao.
they think basic hypnosis which just manipulates the 5 sense is gonna work against a god who can manipulate reality with his genjutsu, eyes that can see beings from another reality.
They think MIDzen who was crying about not being able to cut a hill outscales madara who chopped a mountain in half by taking his sword out.
Its literally just bleach fans dick riding. I genuinely do not understand how anyone can take this shit seriously.
Naruto was the first anime I watched and the first manga I read. It's probably my favorite shonen too. But I fortunately have more than single digit IQ and can comprehend matchups based on more factors than "Madara is a pretender God in his own verse".
Characters weaker than Aizen were destroying things larger than mountains. Characters weaker than Aizen were shaking entire universes while not even aiming to do so. Madara's best feat is planetary at best.
Kyoka Suigetsu is far superior to any genjutsu in Naruto. Too bad.
"No Senjutsu" mfs when Madara gets hit with the power of a collapsing galaxy:
Aizen wins negative difficulty. Cool eyes Madara has there, too bad Kyoka Suigetsu works on a higher level than what those eyes are capable of seeing.
Even if we take Kyoka out completely, Aizen out stats Madara by miles.
Aizen's hair is enough to wipe the verse
Madara b/c I like him more
(Seriously, Aizen wins, I don’t know squat about Bleach except that it massively out scales Naruto)
No it dosent. Aizen was literally crying about not being able to cut a hill in his final form.
He never wined about not being able to do it.
It's almost funny
That he didnt do it
Its almost funny how much bleach fans cope
What do you mean
Bleach fans when they realize arguing over the semantics is not going to change the fact their main villain failed at cutting a hill:
He never failed at cutting a hill. Ichigo evaporated a hill.
That wasn't his final form, and he was just shocked at the sudden increase in ichigos power.
Technically his final form in the og anime cause the last transformation didn't work. And no he literally thought he was the one cutting hills with his powers, but realized he wasn't even able to do that and it was ichigos power.
Spite Matchup.
He doesnt need senjutsu, just kurohistsugi madara for eternity
It’s not even close imo, the bleach verse scales way higher including aizen than the Naruto verse
I don't get this Senjutsu is needed to beat Madara meme, wasn't it made very clear that Taijutsu could also affect him??? So any character that outstats him can just beat him up, or am I missing something?
That senjutsu Mf’er thought Madara’s Limbo clones “solo” Rimuru.
Exactly that's so dumb heck might guy had no senjutsu but almost killed madara if it was not for regeneration zetsu also stabed madara from behind
Physical damage still affects Madara but those people just ignore that when it’s brought up.
Let's get all his other feats away and focus on his Kido abilities alone.... He was stronger enought to use Hado 99 Goryutenmetsu without incantation and Hado 90 Kurohitsugi also without incantation and with presumably full power, and Kido is able to warp time and space... So yeah Aizen's wins
Might guy able to do that shit with his basic kicks lmao
If WE Talk about Edo Madara...Well i kinda have the theory, that Edo Tensei suffer lasting damage through zanpakuto. I think aizen.
Even if Edo Aizen can seal him
aizen would just erase him with kido
I'm not talking about Edo Tensei Uchiha Madara. I'm not talking about Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara either. Hell, I'm not even talking about Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan doujutsus (with the rikodou abilities and being capable of both Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi genjutsu), equipped with his Gunbai, a perfect Susano'o, control of the juubi and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju's DNA implanted in him so he has mokuton kekkei genkai and can perform yin yang release ninjutsu while being an expert in kenjutsu and taijutsu.
Aizen destroys
Insane mismatch.
Aizen kills the entire verse just by exerting his power. Even the god's of Naruto would be turned to dust just by being in his presence.
Absolute spite match, Aizen literally neg diffs just by standing there.
Aizen negs
Now we wait for ppl from r/deathbattlematchups to come here and cope
Madara would put up a good fight.. If Aizen wasn't faster, stronger and literally just needs to see Madara to beat him..
aizen no diff bro what
Spite, aizen sweeps this without effort lol
Spite match madara stands no chance. Death battle pulled out all the mental gymnastics for as why Madara would win
Aizen: *looks in the general direction of the naruto verse*
Madara: *vaporises*
I mean death battle said madara wins and they're always right
Spite matchup.
It's actually one of the first fights I agreed Death Battle really botched hard. Ever since I saw it I haven't been able to enjoy their videos
Aizen negs
My glorious goat aizen slams fuck ur “no senjutsu no win”
base madara victime
Didn’t Death Battle already do this matchup
This, along with Ichigo vs Naruto, was probably one of their worst takes.
Aizen low diffs
Spite.
I know next to nothing about bleach scaling but based purely on vibes I feel like Aizen negs right?
your pitting 2 idealistic assholes against eachother
Madara wins because I like him more
It's just because they're popular & strong from the big 3
Neither, the powers of these characters work so differently that a fight between them wouldn't even make sense.
Madara takes it, low to mid diff at max
Madaras special eyes are weaker then Aizens. Aizen has a majorly boosted perception thanks to the hogyoku and aizen is immortal Madara is not
Its absolutely a spite match. Soul society arc has feats on par with end of shippuden. Aizen would wipe his ass with Madara and have him thinking it was his idea
Depends on where you scale bleach, although I think Aizen immortality + Hyogoku is making him the winner
He has no senjutsu
Aizen erases Madara by slowly walking closer because no reiatsu.
Aizen takes it, but I don't think it's a spite matchup more than like any Aizen match up... It's just kinda Kyoka busted. And even ignoring Kyoka Aizen scales a bit higher but, not too the point id consider it spite. It's no coughing baby and hydrogen bomb.
Gonna be a hot take but I genuinely think that Juubidara vs pre TYBW Aizen is closer than a lot of people would like to admit.
But if we're using TYBW Aizen or Yhwach fight Aizen then Aizen violates. And this is coming from a diehard Naruto fan
Death Battle had Madara win and since Death Battle is the end all be all of Powerscaling and Vs Debating then we should take their opinion as gospel so Madara slams no diff
This is a stal match. Literally both are immortal and don't have the hax negation necessary to kill each each other.
But If I had to give it to someone, Madara out scales, out haxes, has better hypnosis, blitzes, looks better, better villain, and probs even has a bigger dick.
Damn gang, self-reporting yourself much?
Most of them seem like normal arguments to me, with the only exception being the ones that are fed up with you instigating. Nevertheless, i don’t think false depiction is the right way to convince people. Not when you seem just as obsessed with a character as the people you have claimed to be.
Please stop commenting you brain dead Madara meat rider, Aizen solos the entire verse, he isn’t fucking hill level and fought with someone who can alter FUCKING TIMELINES, he almost won as well and only died cause plot. He had multiple seals on him and still was almost on par with a top 100 strongest anime character. Get your head out the fucking gutter and actually research the facts, multiple videos exist proving Aizen no diffs. Watch them.
Only bleach fans will tell you it's not close. This MU is very close.
..until kyoka suigetsu shatters and madara looks down and realizes he’s been laying there dying since the fight began.
You do know that illusions don't work on Sharingan users?
It’s perfect hypnosis not an illusion. It perfectly controls all five senses to perceive something different.
Yeah, like Genjustsu.
Genjutsu isn’t perfect hypnosis it’s an easily detectable illusion as seen when literal children realise they’re in one
Those children are either genjustsu specialists or just have ways to break out or resist them.
Naruto realised, Sakura realised, even Lee who can’t use chakra realised. All of these kids realised and they weren’t anything special. Genjutsu is far from perfect hypnosis
Naruto's a Jinjuriki. Sakura has perfect chakra control. And I'm pretty sure someone else broke Rock Lee out of the Genjustsu. And the Genjustsu isn't on the same level as Sharingan genjustsu.
Sharingan Genjutsu isn’t perfect hypnosis either, even shisui’s isnt. They physically lose control over their five senses under kyokasuigetsu’s control whilst Genjutsu creates an illusion.
Naruto and Sakura both broke out of a high level Genjutsu when they were kids before Naruto had the ability to use kurama chakra at will and before Sakura had decent chakra control. She had the perfect control in the war arc of shippuden this happened in the original Naruto
Despite everyone’s arguing, I think this is a closer match up than anyone wants to admit. I’m not sure who would win this. I lean more towards Madara simply because of his Truth Seeking Orbs, but Aizen’s attacks directly damage the soul. Please don’t come at me with pointless hate. This is just my opinion.
Aizen doesnt have senjutsu so juubi madara win.
Aizen outstats, if it's the final arc, no abilities needed. Dice Madara into 1x1x1 inch cubes of meat, then continue.
Also, this is Equalized, so you're just yapping. Unless the OP states that the battle isn't Equalized, assume it is.
So Goku can’t beat Madara
Madara has no Reiatsu, so he just gets erased
Stalemate if it's bjuu madara because their both immortal
juubidara only has low-mid regen. aizen could just blow his head off
Low-mid? He survived a night guy from 8th gate guy
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