In terms of how addicting it is. I thought Rimworld was the most addicting until I played this.
I'm literally performing worse at my job and am always thinking about this game.
I think this truly is the #1 game for me among all others and am planning to give it the highest honors of going for 100% achievements. The only other game I did it with was Armored Core 6. And it was worth every second.
The holy trinty of gaming addiction:
¬ Factorio
¬ ONI
¬ Rimworld
And in that order. Factorio is seriously dangerous.
Never really got hooked by Rimworld, personally. The “Storyteller” throwing random BS at you kinda feels “meh” to me.
In RW, you loose power because the game decides to hit you with a Zzzt event, or an eclipse knocks out your solar, etc. In ONI, you lose power because you messed up. Maybe you built an automation wire for your geothermal plant out of lead and it melted. Or maybe you didn’t set your smart battery thresholds correctly.
In ONI, whatever goes wrong is your fault. And I dig that.
To get the most outta Rimowlrd ,don't look at it as the game deciding. Rather, imagine the story behind the event. Look for the drama I stead of the mechanics.
Yeah, it makes sense that they like to call it a story generator rather than a game.
That is really the main brilliance behind that game. How they create a story with cascading dice rolls. It feels very alive.
Same thing with Dwarf Fortress. You make your story with what the game throws at you.
Hadn't played in a long while, so I started a new game on the Steam version. After a while a firebreathing forgotten beast spawned in the caverns under my fortress. It started some fires on the local fungi when hunting trolls and wandering dwarves, but no big deal. Reluctantly sent a squad to deal with it so I could exploit the cavern again (I was a bit scared of the firebreathing thingy but it went smoothly), and someone brought the body back to the surface to butcher it. The body was still really hot, the stockpile caught fire, and the whole surface slowly burned to ashes. Lost a couple wandering childen a half my livestock. 10/10 would butcher it again.
Ok that sounds like something I need to play 🤣🤣
Biggest problem I have with Rimworld compared to Dwarf Fortress is that the game is built to force you to fail. In DF, you fail because you made a mistake, it isn’t because game forces you into a corner and kills you there.
Thats the problem though, ONI not having random events means the game is just solved after 100 some odd cycles
We are clearly playing different games! :)
I agree wholeheartedly. This is super unusual In games I played and I congrats the devs for figuring out how to make this happen . Almost all death spirals in ONI are due to deferring important decisions, forgetting to convert reasonable, temporary placeholders into more sustainable structures, to being overly greedy, or impatient.
Most other games it feels like the game engine decides “well, you’re done here” and throws shit at you until you lose.
Thank god factorio's devs are weird and vehemently refuse to let it go on steam sales, if it ever dipped below 30 euro i would stay locked in my room for a decade.
Dyson sphere program is another factory game that is sooo addicting to me
Timberborn > Factorio for me personally
Don’t tell them about satisfactory
Honestly satisfactory is lacking a lot compared to factorio. I couldn't get into it at all... Just felt a little all over the place and limited in comparison. Some of the dev decisions in it are also extremely frustrating imho.
Also it’s extremely cumbersome and time consuming to try and create something remotely aesthetically pleasing. Straightening in 3D space is not the most fun.
Agreed, I just could not play it without the circuits and smart automation that Factorio has, I played for like 24 hours before uninstalling.
Nahh, that one has no hold on me, makes me bored
Wait till they release faction 2.0 the economy will stop in its tracks cause no one will be going to work 🤣🤣
"Sorry boss, I think I caught a big covid thing or something, can't come to work."
Mhnn rimrim is way worse... For me it's like... 1. Rimworld 2. Minecraft 3. ONI 4. Factorio 5. Kerbal
All of them modded so much they take three times the ram of a AAA game and take 10minutes to load at least. Never Vanilla.
Honorary mention to Stationeers, but it's not up there... Yet.
No terraria?
There are hundreds of good addictive games out there.
But those 3 are in a league of their own.
Out of this list, not belongs there
I get scared to play factorio lol
I have 3,200 hours in Factorio (though a lot of that is AFK time because Factorio is so inobtrusive to just leave paused or at the menu), and 5200 hours in ONI (less AFK time). Suffice to say I play very few other games.
Anyway, the reason I have more time in ONI than Factorio is that even if something is addictive it can be possible to recognize that it's bad for you.
Perhaps the best way I can put it is Factorio doesn't let me relax, as the Factorians say, the Factory MUST grow. It is a compulsion.
With ONI there can be enough, you can indulge in what is roughly flower arranging, just tinkering around and making stuff look good while the silly little people do silly things. Or you can do some pretty hardcore engineering if you feel like it. Overall I find ONI pretty relaxing and that's why I play it a lot more.
Oh boy, good thing I never got that deep into factorio. Because I definitely end up being compulsive about ONI sometimes.
the Factory MUST grow. It is a compulsion.
For me the challenge was exactly the opposite, I never got into spaghetti setup, instead I made a factory that's divided into blocks, each block produces a specific item, and throws it onto a central line which carries it to whichever other block asked for it, I also made it so that blocks are always powered off unless their product is required, the whole thing was very power efficient, very complicated, and awesome, as you've probly guessed already the setup was very slow, each block needed the full production time to produce a single item since I only made one block for each item type, I could have made several blocks for each item types but efficiency was the goal so I never bothered with that approach.
I sank 1500 hours in it so far, I go back to playing it whenever I need the automation itch scratched.
Praise the Main Bus, he is the symbol of perfection
To me is the opposite... The factory sustains itself, it doesn't slowly creep towards heat death, you don't finish resources, they're everywhere and a huge mineral patch lasts for ages.
Maybe I still suck at ONI but to me is hard to reach a point where everything keeps working forever if I just leave it open for 8h on its own. And if everything is not perfectly stable I can't relax.
I think Oni is the most ""stressful"" game for me
Full sustainability in ONI is surprisingly easy, but it requires a particular way of thinking, being easier if you approach it from the angle of what is the minimum a dupe needs to stay alive instead of starting from something big and complex and trying to make it sustainable.
For example, assuming an ample supply of water, perfect stability can be achieved with a SPOM, bristle blossoms, and ST/AT or Liquid Tepidizer to keep the bristle blossom temperature within parameters. Let's say the water source is a Salt Water or Brine Geyser, so the salt can be crushed into table salt and sand (though there are other ways of dealing with filtration medium requirements). Let's also say there's a natural gas vent providing the bulk power generation, and throw in some manual generators. If everything is correctly automated nothing will ever break and it's quite easy to calculate how many dupes the water supply can provision.
Sustainability is harder when things get more complex and... less sustainable. Like the typical newbie spiral goes something like using mealwood until running out of dirt, then hatches until running out of hatch food, maybe stone hatches until running out of stone hatch food. Like it's even recommended to newbies "Don't use bristle blossoms, use hatches!", even though if you master the ST/AT one time, bristle blossoms are infinitely sustainable, and it's much harder to get there with hatch morphs.
In Spaced Out, it can be harder to make sustainable colonies on certain asteroids, it can certainly be done with rather nasty (or with greater complexity, less nasty) wild Arbor Tree setups, although it's not something you ever actually need to do, because the "home asteroids" are always generous enough, and you can always do expeditions to other asteroids.
My issue is mostly temperature, I take everything way too slow, everything gets hotter, plants stop growing and I'm still far from having steel/plastic. That makes me paranoid about temperature and I stop using anything coming out of a gayser/volcano that is remotely hot until I get steel turbines lol
Eventually all works fine and I always get through, but I find it really stressfull until I have plenty of heat deletion and a perfectly temp controlled base
Dysons phere is Like factorio, but with other planets and Dysons pheres (and a better graphic)
Thank you, wanted to mention that one, glad to see somebody else plays it.
Also the visuals of Dyson spheres are just absolutely stunning.
When you start sending solar sails and get to watch the first rings appearing.
Yeap and than your first "inside" look at Dyson spheres, when you fly close to the sun and think "wow, that's waaaay bigger than expected"
Loved that game but for some reason I never feel the urge to go back.
I've always wanted to get Factorio because I know I love automation games (hundreds of hours in ONI, Mindustry and modded Minecraft). But it's so expensive and it never even goes on sale.
Just buy it. I'm sure the dev said it will never be on sale. Pretty sure it's only like 30 quid so isn't really expensive.
It's ~$40 on steam and for a game that is pretty expensive. I will probably end up pirating it to see if I really like it then buy it afterwards.
That's not much for a game you will be spending the rest of your life playing
I agree, but it's too much to pay without knowing that for sure.
Play the demo. I think I spent 10 hours on it and bought immediately after
There is a demo on their website, I think it's pretty limited but it will at least give you a taste of what the game offers.
Definitely scratches a different itch than ONI though.
They have a demo and it is very good at helping you figure out if you'd like the gameplay.
40 divided by the amount of hours I spent (and I'm way lower than the medium) is about 15 cents an hour. Fucking worth it.
They have a demo you can try.
Pretty sure theres a demo.
Try the demo.
Good idea. Hope you enjoy it!
Bum.
That is why it is called Cracktorio. There is almost zero audiovisuals or plot to distract you from pure gameplay and probably the most addictive gameplay loop that you can imagine. I understand it is risky to pay full price before knowing if you will like it, but if you do, then, the dollar per hour you spend playing ratio is close to zero. After some time you will feel bad for paying creator so little for that kind of masterpiece. Also, Factorio subreddit is one of the most polite and supportive subreddit on Reddit (despite this one of course). If you decide to try, one tip from me is that after learning basics about trains, great part of players decides to build base in "city blocks" style and there is a point where you can cure yourself from addiction if you decide to prepare your own blueprints because it interrupt the loop. For me that was the moment where I was able to stop finding another extra hours in my life dedicated to the growth of the factory and finish my degree.
It's not that I'm doubting everyone that says this game is worth the full price, it's just that I'm very reluctant to pay this much money for a game without trying it out first. Someone already mentioned that it has a demo, so I will probably download it to see how it plays out for me. I completely forgot about the existence of demos, so my first thought was to pirate it instead.
If I knew how, I'd buy you a copy. Ideas?
If you added each other as friends on Steam one could gift it to the other.
It has a demo
There's a demo?
It's quite cheap. Just $35. That's half the price of Call of Duty, and you get a guarantee that it's the best you'll see.
Being half the price of some stupidly expensive game doesn't make it cheap.
In 2024 a standard price for a hit like that is $60.
And the source of those numbers is... what exactly? I struggle to find games that cost more than $30, which aren't AAA, FPS or RPG games. Even those that exceed this amount cost less than that when on sale.
I've looked at Steam top sellers. Plenty of $60 games there. Check CoD, Battlefield, Elder Ring. None of these games offer the complexity and quality of Factorio.
Yes, those are AAA, FPS or RPG games which are the most expensive on the market. I don't see why would you even compare them to a strategy/automation/sandbox/indie game with pixel graphics. They are a completely different types of games.
Besides, a lot of those games actually go on sale, out of 100 top sellers, only 10 of them cost above $40 right now (Elden Ring + its DLC, Baldur's Gate, Ghost of Tsushima, Helldivers, upcoming Farming Sim, 3 games in their special/complete/ultimate editions and some random game I've never heard of). Rest are all below that spot.
Expensive? Are you insane? It's one of the cheapest games out there.
No, it isn't. Most of the games cost like $10-20, maybe going up to $30 and that's it. ONI is $20, Rimworld is $30 on sale, Terraria is like $5-6 on sale, and that's just to name a few.
You are one cheap mf...
You do realise some people live in countries where they pay a much higher % of their income for games, right? And also people might be in a position where they need to budget properly and can't spend that much money without being sure it won't go to waste? I'm glad you have enough money to not worry about it, but saying that sounds ignorant.
Sure but in computer games terms, factorio is definitely one of the cheaper games.
Just seemed so strange to complain about such good value for money.
That is the point, you don't know whether it will be good value for you before you try it.
edit: to illustrate my point, a typical AAA game's release price is a fraction of a minimum monthly wage in my country. Factorio is cheaper than those, yes, but still much more expensive than most indie games. Personally I can understand being apprehensive before splurging so much money and trying the game first.
There is a very good demo you can try
just pirate it, whenever you can afford it, pay em back
Eh, I couldn't get into Factorio. It's not a bad game by any means, just not one that grabbed me at all.
Might be because I was burned out on the whole Factory-game thing after two years with Satisfactory. Yes, I played it before Factorio.
But ONI is definitely more addictive to me.
It's known as Cracktorio among some of the addicts.
I never got far with factorio, but got very addicted to ONI and Rimworld. You’d think factorio would be more my style since I’m a CS grad.
One you unlock logical circuits you'll love it, just hang in there until you get to that point
I find oni better tbh
Dyson Sphere adds some extra mechanics that make factory games interesting that I enjoyed. But pure efficiency building Factorio is still king.
You had me in the first, not gonna lie.
I came in here about to throw hands!
I was about to demand how OP managed to harvest dupe organs.
Now I know how it emotionally feels like for dupes after a round in Skill Scrubber
The raiders in rimworld are all just failed duplicants from ONI.
I consider ONI the "cozy game" version of the brutal rim, and have thousands of hours in each. But I haven't played RW in a little while.
Currently, I'm going through a phase of factory games (again) now that DSP and Satisfactory have had some updates.
DSP
What's that? I can't get into satisfactory anymore.
Dyson Sphere Program. Excellent factory game set at "spacial level"
Imo DSP lacks a bit of depth that it glosses over with shiny presentation.
You quickly end up just mindlessly plopping down buildings.
Good luck, 3300 hours in I still have 5-6 achievements to knock out. All of them pretty much late game ones, like GMA-OK.
I'm with you, man. Rimworld is my number 2. Honestly the storage and manufacturing system of Rimworld is way better, I wish ONI had the same thing.
storage
wut? You like making an entire gigantic room of yard sale items, each occupying its own space? Egad.
Step your game up. Prioritized and filtered shelves are a game changer for optimizing travel time and efficiency.
No, I mean more the storage and logistics system in terms of production, although I appreciate my own fault in how I said it. I like the idea of setting minimum production targets by minimum in storage. So I can make sure I always have a minimum of 20kg of berry sludge, for example
Fridges and a bit of shipping, or weight plates and slightly more shipping will do what you want. Have a microbe musher set to berry sludge forever, disable it through automation from the fridge/plate.
Okay, the problem here being you need a different set of automation per food type. It's unwieldy.
Fair enough, I would in no way be opposed to rimworld-style recipe control!
My personal solution to the specific problem for diverse food types is a deep freezer (47 million calories and counting...). ;) For industry, where you usually end up with one or several machines of the same type for one kind of output anyway (just for throughput), the automation setup feels totally natural, though.
This sounds really shallow but I didn't really like rimworld cos the graphics are crap. It really affected my enjoyment. If I'm honest it surprises me that something trivial like that would bother me.
ONI although isnt a graphical masterclass, still has an agreeable art style. Rimworld just feels lazy.
The benefits of ugly graphics is that all mods need to look similar „low effort“ to blend in. Rimworld is a black hole once you splice it with mods. If it would be as sophisticated as ONI or Randy beware 3D, the game wouldn’t live anymore, due to lack of additional content through mods.
You should try dwarf fortress
The most interesting thing for me as that the more I play, the more addicted I become. There are just so many ways to play. 1400 hours in, I have yet to even move past steel/plastic. No rockets. There's just so much to do and experiment with.
Dreaming up elegant builds is truly a flirtation with obsession.
Games like ONI are why I will never really get the appeal of competitive first person shooters. I appreciate that there is a high bar for skill to aspire to, but after watching roommates play Call of Duty for hours on end -- the gameplay is nowhere near as deep. Brownie points for verbal abuse and dick-measuring not being part of the community. ☺️
I played this game before rim world and I’m having trouble getting into rim world because of it.
I couldn’t do it. Rimworld has everything I want…on paper. But I just can’t get into the artstyle.
Yah, between the hairline border menus and art style, I felt like I was playing a early access game. After 20 minutes, I had to pull the chute. Feels like the UI I would expect from a software developer but not a UX designer. It's functional, but not very satisfying to use.
Tynan has said it's deliberately simple to leave more to the imagination for stories, and I personally like it.
I have that issue with Factorio. It is just sooo ugly. And I'm not that picky. Not everything has to be as pretty as ONI. But a bit of polishing is necessary. Rimworld is still in "okay" territory for me. But holy shit, Factorio is an absolute eyesore.
the "here's another similar problem" appearing constantly in Rimworld really gets old fast for me, Factorio and ONI both have problems to solve constantly, but they were problems already in existence or problems caused by earlier decisions
Actually opposite for me (Rimworld first), until I realized that they’re just very different games.
Does rimworld improve as I sink time into it? My main problem is I don’t feel driven to achieve anything. Where as ONI pretty much has you at a state of decay from the get go
There’s some endings in rimworld if you want to go for that. Or you can just survive as long as possible. Goals are flexible.
Maybe I just need to give it more time.
If this game had some type of random events that shake up playthroughs like Rimworld does I don't think I'd ever stop playing it
I'm not gonna lie, the lack of those is one thing that I find refreshing about ONI.
A DLC or new game mode where those things exist wouldn't be awful, but I'd hate to see significant random events looped into the game proper.
It's got them. It's just in the form of dupes getting trapped, and your buildings breaking. It's not random, but it does keep you having to keep tabs on everything in your base.
At times I’d sit down to play this game and a couple seconds later I looked at my clock and three hours had passed.
I love Oni and Rim! I just started playing the Factorio demo, and omg, it's not easy! Dwarf Fortress is another one I've been trying out as of late.
I wanted so much to like Dwarf Fortress, and there is a lot there to love (particularly the 3D build area), but....
The UI is so infuriatingly broken that after about 100 hours I gave up and may never go back.
If you've already played ONI or Rimworld you're going to have a hard time accepting the bad UI in Dwarf Fortress.
I played DF back in version 40d. I had mastered the extra wasd set the game used(ghjk uibn)
For the steam release the mouse threw me off and lack of achievements kept me down
Yeah me too. I have all the important sequences of keys to navigate menus in my muscle memory, and for whatever reason the steam version changed them and now I can't get into it :/.
Wait until you try Kenshi.
I think I would be into Kenshi if the color palate had more colors than brown
I like Kenshi but my old ass computer doesn’t like it. The second I try building a settlement is just the beginning of the end.
Lmao I was truly convinced this post was going to be negative haha.
Yah not only that but my brain was about to go off on comparing two very different games. Real emotional rollercoaster in the 0.3s it took to load the page.
You click baiting son of a gun.
Addiction isn't a joke and you may need to talk to someone if you are genuinely having issues at work.
Rimworld was great, ONI is GREAT!
@klei know how to play with our survival instinct. Over seas, over space and over another dimension. I LOVE IT.
Rimworld Addiction hitted very hard i filled 1000 Hours easily and i thought this is the Game for me that I played the most in my Life like ever.......
2400 Hours of Oni and counting the Days till the DLC laughing at the Rimworld Rookie Numbers now.....
No game provides as much satisfaction as ONI when you build something from a scratch and it actually works.
It is the constant ambition for achieveing better... You have dupes, you need to feed them and provide them oxygen. You have insufficient manpower? you need to hire new duplicants, and need to up your oxygen and food production. Ok now you can stop here... BUT WHY STOP HERE? you have an entire planetoid to colonise, it is definitely not a place to stop. Get the most out of every geyser, every critter, every resource and start sending rockets to sky FOR EVEN MORE RESOURCE. Well done! You have finished the game.
No, it is merely over. you need automatization. anything that is doable without manpower HAS TO be done without manpower. You need to automatize cooking, ranching, power, restrooms...
And not even get me started on the Spaced Out! DLC because it provides you SEVEN MORE asteroids to do the same thing. seven times more addictive.
This game is evil. Klei is evil. It takes hours just to attain a slightly better gameplay and there is almost no place to stop.
3000 hours and 100% achievements. And i don't recommend this game to anyone. It's like recommending crack-cocaine.
I've stopped my dating life just for this game. And I deserve karma for saying this
Just wait till every run has to be 100% and you just hate carnivore....
This was my experience as well. It just scratches an itch that no other game does.
Rimworld and ONI are both a great time, but ONI always ends up stressing me out hard.
So I reset with Ratopia. It’s like an ONI/Rimworld/Terraria game that’s quaint and not nearly as stressful.
From my 3 fav games (Rimworld, ONI, and Factorio) i can understand it totally. But tbh, ONI is for me the most frustrating one, and- other than the both i mentioned- i really need a break from this game sometimes. But all 3 are absolutely great!
I didn’t click with neither ONI or Factorio. Rimworld is pure digital heroin to me. After beating Anomaly I went cold turkey.
Such a brilliant game, and I'm still trying to learn it after all these years :D
When I take ONI breaks it’s usually for rimworld. But oni still #1. Thousands of hours into both.
Hey. I'll kill you if you try to trick me again. Rude, very rude. Some might say criminally uncalled for. Meany.
Rimworld isn' addicting, tynan constantly yells stop playing thing game!!!1 its built around not giving what you want and not being able to prevent all and every loss. So no, this game not chuggs tou out
Factorio/Rimworld/Dwarf Fortress/ONI
All of these will suck me in for weeks if I start a new game. Super excited for the Factorio expansion coming.
Rimworld is #1 . Oxygen not bad , the físics are good , but the IA and the lack of storyteller is something missing . Also the game need better micromanagement like rimworld .
I was pretty darn obsessed by this game from January 2020 to mid 2021, but I’ve been playing Rimworld even more both before and after my ONI obsession phase, so for me personally Rimworld has been worst. I never feel like I did everything. I always get new ideas. It’s a bottomless well of possibilities.
If you enjoy the complexity of ONI, which I do, and want to take the whole liquid, gas and temp mixtures a step further, then I would recommend Stationeers.
It is first person with a control scheme that does take some getting used to, but just trying to set up a simple greenhouse can send you down a rabbit hole of systems and I loved every minute of it. Especially getting things automated.
I have thousands of hours on both (and also on Factorio) and I must say my enjoyment peaked much higher for ONI than it did for Rimworld, but unfortunately it doesn't have the same challenge and replay factor so nowadays I struggle to enjoy playing it. But I still come back to (heavily modded) Rimworld for another colony with different settings every ~ 6 months.
Rimworld (and Factorio) are pretty basic without mods though. ONI is still fantastic without them, it just needs some QoL mods to shine.
ONI is also one of a few games where I have 100% achievements (another being FTL), but that's mostly because it's one of a few games where the achievements are all reasonable, and not a stupid grindfest (like "produce 1 quadrillion circuit boards per hour").
ONI is fun early game but I gave up on managing temperature in mid game. Watched videos, tried and tried and tried and it's just stupidly complex. Rimworld and Factorio are way more fun.
It’s really bad. And if you’re like me you’ll start over again and again because there’s things you want to do differently.
I’ve restarted no less than 35-40 times by now
I left two hours earlier before the end of my shift for ONI today. I hope my supervisor won't notice it!
You haven't played Factorio have you, if you are into full automation, and I mean obsessive automation, I would recommend you do, try to take some time off from your job though, if ONI is affecting your performance at work Factorio will probly get you fired lol.