Name a 5-man team that could take down Kaido's Top 5
Discussioni love how oda has written in two separate ways this could theoretically happen. first with the shadow fruit, now with seraphim.
- Imu
- Helmeppo
- Usopp
- Don Krieg
- Crocus
Btw you can add Kaido himself to the opposing team and absolutely nothing changes.
Why is Imu on that list, they have no feats worth a damn
Helmeppo defeated Zoro
Usopp can lift a 10 ton hammer and swing it like its nothing
Don Krieg is the strongest man in the world
Crocus facetanked cannonballs without haki.
Imu neg diffed a picture of vivi
Imu neg-diffed Sabo, re-read Chapter 1085
Sabo has a confirmed weakness to celestial dragons as he always gets neg diffed by them, re-read 588
Gonna be honest, the rest of your comment went over my head and I only focused on the Imu part, carry on lol
Lmfao
That team is overkill man.
Helmeppo is the goat fr a top 3 character for me
Garp, Dragon, Mihawk, Luffy and Kaido
Without resorting to Imu and Joy Boy themselves, this is the best team I could have mustered. And I still don’t think they pull it off.
Blud really said "No feats" and then used a fraudulent bum who's only feat is failing to knock out Blackbeards horse
And worst of all is this bum wasn't even at god valley so we will never get a feat from the hypothetical "prime sengoku"
Also mfer talking like Garp‘s only feat until like 30 chapters ago wasn't breaking down a wall
W
Replace Dragon with Sengoku and you got some cool matchups
Luffy vs. Shanks, proving he became a great pirate
Sengoku vs. Whitebeard, paramount war Part 2
Mihawk vs. Oden, who was really the greatest swordsman, would also echo Zoro vs. Ryuma
Kaido vs. Rocks, taking down his old captain
Garp vs. Roger, self explanatory
Of course Garp would lose and then Luffy would take on Roger and have a true battle of the kings
Swap Luffy out for warcury. He’s weaker than Luffy but doesn’t have Luffy’s stamina issue which will lead to him being the first out. Plus he can be a bullet sponge
Not sure why going so complicated? They have probably the best synergy and insane AoE, everything you need in such a Teamfight
Replace luffy or kaido with primegoku
Weakest here is technically Dragon, no way to scale him so it’s just a headcanon scale untill we gets statements or feats.
Swap him out for Sengoku
Hype scaling >>
If you dont think dragon is gonna b atleast shanks level then idk what u reading
Still means Kaido is stronger.
Dragon => shanks > luffy => kaido. Get over it
Oooh, so you don't read the manga. Got it.
You can't back any of that shit up. Get over it.
End game characters > midgame characters. It isnt that hard to comprehend
Where does Buggy fit into this? He has more (de)feats and statements than most.
Boa, Sabo, Urouge > Yonkos
Admirals > most Yonko
Everyone post timeskip > Whitebeard
What a great way to scale 🤡
Just what I thought. You can't point to anything these characters have done or has been said about them that puts them on even the same level as Kaido. Lets see if you can link a single statement from Oda to support your claim lmfao
Disingenuous ass reading comprehension. End game yonko or yonko tier character > mid game yonko tier character. You know what i meant dumbfuck
No, claiming that Dragon is the weakest is textbook example of a logical fallacy, Argument From Ignorance.
In this case, there is no way to prove in either way, whether Dragon is the strongest or the weakest of them. Whether you're claiming him to be the weakest or strongest, you will either way, have to have a way to prove it. Ignoring this while claiming to be correct, is an Argument From Ignorance.
Just because your statement cannot be proven false, doesn't mean it's true. You too, fall under the burden of proof. Until then, the only valid stance you can take is one where you acknowledge the uncertainty.
You can certainly lean on either side and argue which side is more likely, but never take a definitive stance until you actually have what it takes to definitively prove it.
W
YC1, unknown (min Yonko), YC4, Yonko, Yonko.
You can do better.
yc1 garp and yc4 mihawk is abysmal and you know it
Garp literally is YC1.
Mihawk will probably have feats some day, but I can assure you that behind his apparent weakness and lack of devil fruit, he is absolutely capable of being on par with Doflamingo. He was show YC5 in marineford, incapable of dealing any damages to a commander, barely keeping up with Crocodile or Vista... But trust me, that's my guy, don't underestimate him, he will soon prove himself worthy of being called a commander.
R1: Dead or Alive
R2: Alive Only
R3: EoS - but no Luffy/Teach
Rd 1:
It’s possible - but only thanks to some very creative scaling (which is fine because the challengers are majority featless).
Luffy wins any battle he fights. Prime Garp too. 2-0
IF we scale Sengoku to Garp then that’s another guaranteed victory 3-0
IF we scale Mihawk to Shanks then they tie. And if we edge him above Shanks due to his title he might extreme diff. 3-0-1 or 4-0
Kaido/BM are incredibly strong and low/mid-diff Oden. If we scale Dragon to them he could do it too. Likely the same for BB who should be below them. 5-0 (or 4-0-1)
This is all direct scaling - to say nothing of any tactical advantages Like - while I don’t think he belongs in these tiers of fighters - Laws fruit had could be a game changer that lets him fight up in a single fight and assist heavily in a battle royale. BM’s Soul fruit could help regenerate her stores while chipping away at an opponent - and in a battle royale she could even heal teammates. Even by herself, she could turn fallen opponents into weapons and keep getting stronger as she runs a gauntlet until reaching a level to compare to the stronger challengers
Rd 2:
No chance whatsoever. Though I’d love to believe BM survived her cheap loss - until further notice she and Kaido are dead. Metaphorically “Prime Garp” is “dead” as well - which takes out most of their force. Swapping them in for older counterparts/weaker characters is a death sentence here: G5 can’t carry that much
Rd 3:
This is worse because while we get Kaido/BM back - we trade them for Luffy and still lose the prime elders.
I should've been clearer - with Round 3 I meant:
All-Time, Dead or Alive, including EoS, just no Luffy/Teach
Ah I see, in that case Rd 3 has a bit of hope with a few wild cards. Getting rid of Luffy leaves room for some theoretical characters like the OG Joyboy/Imu I guess. There’s also Prime Rayleigh who I didn’t mention before, and maybe another Lunarian. The problem is none of them have any scaling in the series.
Shiki scaling is terrible, but I guess he should be able to do something. That’s why I didn’t include the Gorosei - because their showing on Egghead puts them below Yonko IMO. Most of their stats (speed, reflexes, strength, durability) besides fruit hax seem to fall between YC+ and Yonko; with their main schtick being immortality (kind of like King where higher tier fighters still can’t hurt him for a while).
I’d be curious to know if the ancient weapons could sway things here. What if Crybaby-hoshi solos the verse with an army of Sea monsters (as the world sinks further into her kingdom)?
R1: Ryuma, Mihawk, prime Sengoku, Kaido himself, Dragon. R2: Mihawk, Dragon, 3 Gorosei. Eos: Zoro, Mihawk, Dragon, maybe some of the holy knights
ryuma is featless , mihawk sure but oden beats him high diff . prime sengoky loses to rocks high diff , kaido loses to prime beard high diff .
dragon goes ext diff with shanks .
mihawk sure but oden beats him high diff
Nigga what
ryuma is featless
prime sengoky loses to rocks high diff
How you gonna say, Ryuma is featless then put Rocks high diffing Sengoku, when he is also featless?
How you gonna say, Ryuma is featless then put Rocks high diffing Sengoku, when he is also featless?
Ryuma als9 has no statements . While rocks in the vol 4 billion databook is stated to be rogers strongest enemy . Since garp / sengoku are rogers enemies then that means rocks > sengoku. Hence rocks high diffs sengoku dur to being blatantly stated to be stronger then him.
Ryuma als9 has no statements
? He literally has The Navy not wanting to go to Wano because of the Samurai, who stopped the WG and pirates when they tried to take Wano's gold?
While rocks in the vol 4 billion databook is stated to be rogers strongest enemy
Didn't it say most formidable? Correct me if I'm wrong. Either way, Roger/Garp/Sengoku/WB are all relative, so whatever diff the rest take Rocks to, Sengoku does the same.
Round one SenGoat Grap Mihawk dragon Ryuma
Round two SenGoat Garp Mihawk Dragon Luffy
Round three Mihawk Dragon Akainu Imu Law
Rd 1 Whitebeard, rocks, roger, oden and Rayleigh
Rd 2 Dragon, shanks, mihawk, zoro, Rayleigh.
Rd 3 Zoro, Sanji, buggy, law, marco
1 goku and 4 yamatos to keep me company 😈
In a 1v1 they are only beating oden imo.
The other 4 beat the other 4 elders
Next question.
Imu, Joyboy, Dragon, Garp, Kaido
Not including legends(like Ryuuma, Joyboy, Imu etc.)?
Best team is probably: Garp, Sengoku, Kaido, Dragon, Mihawk. Here's how they can pull it off.
Mihawk stalls Rocks. This sounds implausible, but Mihawk should be able to hold him. Next.
Dragon stalls Roger. This also sounds insane, but Dragon needs to hold him off. Next.
Sengoku goes extreme diff with WB while Kaido goes extreme diff with Shanks.
Garp now is free to be the playmaker. His first move would be to tip the scales so that Kaido wins his battle quickly. Then the two of them can move on to beating WB with Sengoku. Now the trio, not too exhausted, can assist Dragon with Roger.
Although they'd be super battle weary, the team of 4 could then fight Rocks over Mihawk's corpse.
*Once Garp mid diffs Oden
Full Potential Higuma
Prime Woop Slap
Post Bikini Bottom Jika
Wista
Megumi Fushiguro
Kaido, Garp, Kong, Imu, Luffy
Take 4 top tiers to clash with the 4 top tiers of this team and add Jango. He nodiffs Oden in a dance battle causing him enough stress to sabotage the other 4.
That oden pic is funny asf
Mihawk, Garp, Dragon, Sengoku, & “some mysterious man with an eyepatch”
No five man team can beat this team.
Imu > Roger (powercreep could even make this potentially mid diff)
Garp = WB
Kaido > Shanks
Luffy > Oden
Dragon ? Xebec
I didn't even use Sengoku, Mihawk, Big Mom, Gorosei, Garling, etc.
There's plenty of ways this team could lose
Goku, vegeta, yamcha, saibamen, and ash ketchum from pokemon season 5
Bro assembled the avengers
Just take the equals of them and the other top tiers
Mihawk can beat Shanks
Garp and Sengoku are near equals to Roger and WB
Odens strong, but can he take Big Mom? I doubt it
Rocks vs Shiki, battle of two people with no feats that fought Roger
Garp, dragon, mihawk, sengoku, kaido (r1)
Luffy, mihawk, dragon, akainu, kuzan (r2) (this is the strongest team i can make but will still fail)
Zoro, sanji, sabo, dragon, mihawk (r3)
Bonus round 1: imu, joyboy, ryuma, dragon, mihawk
R1: Imu, Joyboy, Ryuma, Garp, Sengoku
R2: nobody can
R3: EOS Zoro, Sanji, Koby, Sabo and Law/Kidd are really are there is, and they’d lose
Salt water 💦
But, only one of them has a DF
And I just spoiled a new chapter. God damn it
Perona and Bartolomeo. No other 3 needed
I've theorized that the Blackbeard pirates would use Moriah to revive the corpses of deceased characters.
R1: Mihawk, Garp, Sengoku, Kaido and Luffy
R2: Mihawk, Dragon, Sengoku, Kuzan and Akainu but they wouldn't be able to win
R3: Zoro, Sanji, Mihawk, Sabo and Dragon
Kaido himself
Luffy
Prime Garp
Mihawk
Akainu
Why did you have to use an image of the reanimation justu ? It would completely ruin the point of inherited will if people can just come back to life at all. Moria doesn’t even reanimate his zombies they are just controlled by shadows of living people. It’s crucial for the story to make sense that once people are dead they stay dead.
Roger
Whitebeard
Xebec
Joyboy
Shikki
Mihawk, Kaido, Sengoku, Garp, Luffy
Mihawk >= Shanks
Kaido ==< Whitebeard
Sengoku (Prime) ??? Xebec (We really don’t know)
Garp (Prime) ==< Roger
Luffy > Oden
This is probably the team that gets the closest without toooo much speculation regarding feats.
Kaido, Garp, Luffy, Mihawk, Blackbeard Law, Luffy, Mihawk, Blackbeard, Sugar Zoro, Koby, Bonney, Momonuske, Law
Mihawk, luffy, dragon, garp, kaido. It’s a close fight
- Luffy
- Luffy
- Luffy
- Luffy
- Luffy
R1: Garp, Mihawk, Imu, Ryuma, Sengoku.
Garp handles Roger, Mihawk handles shanks, imu handles xebec, ryuma handles whitebeard, sengoku handles oden
R2: I have no list, luffy, mihawk, akainu, blackbeard and Dragon are basically the only ones who stand a chance but they'd lose still
R3: EOS Zoro, EOS koby, EOS Sanji, EOS Law , EOS Sabo
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4d
Ryuma, Mihawk, Garp, Sengoku, Joy Boy
Mihawk, Prime Garp, Prime Sengoku, Akainu, Kaido
EoS Blackbeard, EoS Luffy, EoS Zoro, EoS Akainu, Mihawk/Dragon/EoS Law/EoS Kidd
Wheres this panel from? The unedited version ofc
Naruto
Barto and Elizabello. He waits 1 hour in the barrier, opens it for a second, then closes it.
Bonney, Prime Garp, Prime Sengoku, Luffy and Akainu?
Yea thats about it. idts this team going to pull even close to midd diff bruh
tbh take out shanks cause he's not even dead and put in actual ryuma
What if Moria puts Momo's shadow in oden's body?
Law, Barto, Luffy, Mihawk, Akainu.
Mihawk, Garp Kaido, Shiki, and Sengoku
Mihawk extreme diffs Shanks. Prime Garp gets extreme diffed by Whitebeard. Kaido gets extreme diffed by Roger. Prime Golden Lion Shiki is relative to Roger so he mid diffs Oden and easily takes out Roger and Whitebeard afterwards. Finally, Sengoku and Shiki could team up and have a good chance of taking out Rocks.
If you exclude fearless characters that narratively should be strong imu, joyboy etc and don't allow repeat characters.This team is unbeatable.
There are no 5 char who are currently alive that can take on this team
Alive you'd almost have to go luffy, akainu, mihawk, black beard, and dragon.
garp, sengoku. eos koby, eos helmeppo, akainu
Shanks -> Mihawk
WB -> Luffy?/Sengoku?
Xebec -> Ryuma(Joyboy/Imu) but those two feel like a cop out
Roger -> Garp
Oden -> Kaido/Dragon/Prime Ray
Honestly W Kaido for his list.
Excluding Kaido himself, the beast pirates' top 5 are King, Queen, the jobber Jack and probably a couple tobi roppo at best. That's a team most top tiers solo themselves
Barty(shield), bb(chaos factor) bullet(attack), bm(attack) warcury
Joyboy, Ryuma, Mihawk, Garp, Kaido
R1: Kaido, Garling, Imu, Mihawk, Big Mom R2: not possible R3: Eos: Zoro, Sanji, Law, Imu, Mihawk
Bartolomeho luffy kaido and big mom
Sakazuki alone But if it has to be 5 men, Sakazuki, green bull, kizaru, Fujitora and random monkey from mi hawk's island (Somebody reply with that sick ass sakazuki image)
This edit is horrible
5 Silver foxy you only need one the other four are just there to watch
Luffy, Sanji, Kizaru, Greenbull, Marco
Sanji makes food to keep the fighters topped off. Kizaru delivers it with his light clones. Greenbull and Marco stall/distract. Luffy stomps.
Garp, Shiki, Luffy, Kaido and Akainu. They may not be able to win if Xebec really did require both Garp and Roger at full strength to win.
Kaido, Big mom, Dragon, mihwak, luffy
I think I'm trying to add Joyboy or that big-ass Oni skull from Kaido's Island.
Woker, Widd, Waw, HIM and Nami
If your talking one piece then the 5 gorosei since their unkillable.
akainu negs roger, blackbeard negs wb , kuzan negs shanks, sengoku negs oden, and then garp stalls rocks
Kaido, Garp, Mihawk, Akainu, Sengoku
Best team I could do without Gorosei/Imu/Dragon, but I dont think they can do it.
Zeno Rimiru Anos Yogiri the flash
The team that could pull that off doesn't exist
Not currently
Gorosei dogwalks
I’ve seen people on this sub calling the gorosei “gimmicks”. I think they are super underrated, these guys gonna be nuts
Imu>xebec
Joyboy>WB
Garp=roger
Kaido>shanks
Sengoku>oden
Kaido Mihawk Dragon Luffy are enough for the top for and just for the little extra sprinkle of disrespect I'll add kizaru to beat oden even if there are stronger options
Your realize Kizaru is much weaker than Oden right ? And your four aren't enough at all.
They definitely are infect it’s more than enough
Well if you believe Luffy to be in Roger & Whitebard's level then there's no need to argue with you
Akainu, Akainu, Akainu, Akainu and Akainu
gorosei
You could easily do this because that wasn’t a top 5
mihawk, dragon, imu, eos koby, eos zoro respectively not sure they can do it kuz of mihawk and dragon but the rest got it on lock
R1: non nerfed haki using wig wom (high yonko, like kaido) prime garp, mihawk, dragon and primegoku or shiki. Assuming kaido is a no go here. I don’t think luffy is at yonko level yet, but this team should handle things just fine, since oden is a bit of a bum in my books. And dragon is pk level, cause otherwise this team loses and i don’t wanna use imu or joy boy.
R2: there ain’t one. No prime garp or sengoku, no kaido or wig wom, no shiki, nothing.
Ig luffy, imu, mihawk, garp blackbeard?
R3: zoro and sanji (both high yonko, above shanks and such). Assuming they survive, flaw and midd (high yonko also, plus great hax support). Idk, smoker? Tbh this team also loses.
Depends on who’s shadows they got. If they keep their shadows then you just need Buggy, since Rocks will be getting jumped by Roger and WB. Shanks wouldn’t fight an old friend. And Oden might actually join in the jump fest.
If they all work together though, you’d need:
Mihawk
Kaido
Prime Garp
Shiki
Prime Sengoku
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