Yeah, totally. Itachi + Kisame + More akatsuki members = draw with Jiraya
Definitely.
Since the sannin are comparable in strength, and Itachi No-diffed Orochimaru, its just common sense that the whole Akatsuki couldnt defeat Jiraiya
On a serious note, I really dont understand why Itachi couldnt just Tsukuyomi him right then and there, unless he really didnt want to, maybe because Jiraiya was a good asset for Konoha? or because Itachi is still a puppet for the elders
Jiraya locked eyes with him in the hallway. It was over right there.
Anyone who thinks that Itachi wasn't capping here must think
Orochimaru is drastically weaker than jiraiya
Itachi and kisame aren't kage level
Itachi was absolutely kage level, he destroyed Orochimaru and then on top of that, literally walked through Kakashi like he was nothing. Even if you discard the Orochimaru feat since it was not written at that time, Itachi is kage level.
I mean orochimaru admitted inferiority to Itachi in part 1. Also I'm saying in order for jiraiya to be > kisame and Itachi they have to not be kage level at all
Oh, your original statement makes it seem like your saying Itachi and Kisame aren't kage level, but if thats what you meant, then I agree
Itachi was full of shit... Kisame however would've been destroyed by Jiraiya in part 1... We literally saw him struggle against Kakashi and the other Jonin... Part 1 Kisame was like Zabuza level. Not at all comparable to his part 2 self. And he likely only recently met Itachi and didnt know Itachis real strength.
No , zabuza was jonin lvl not kage lvl
Yes? And show me where I tried to call Zabuza Kage level?
Kisame is kage lvl by default if he’s in the akat
No he's not. That's just some hype statements from the data books. We literally saw him struggle with Kakashi and co. We saw Hidan lose to Chunin Shikamaru. We saw early part 2 Kakashi fend off Kakazu and Hidan at the same time.
Are Asuma and Kakashi in part 1 Kage level?
Is chunin Shikamaru Kage level?
Is mr "one use of Kamui hospitalizes me" Kakashi 2x Kage level?
No.
This same Kisame also fully believed that He, Itachi, and hypothetical more back up from the Akatsuki combined might lose to Jiraiya... Jiraiya is Kage level... Kisame doesn't at all think he himself is in part 1 and neither should you.
Kishimoto might've intended this to be the case, until he decided to give Itachi some broken powers in Shippuden, also to make the Sasuke vs. Itachi fight as awesome as it is.
very clearly yes
if you unironically think jiraya>= kisame and itachi together then just stop powerscaling
Totally, but there has been a lot of Jiraiya downplay lately and it be mad funny if he was telling the truth.
Jiraiya > Itachi + kisame + rest of the Akatsuki + rest of the seven swordsmen of the mist
yes
this is part 1 I'd say Jiraiya cooks them both.
Part 2 Jiraiya rip again 🙏
I thought he was relative to orochimaru. Who Itachi low diffed. Is it headcanon I thought Itachi gassed him up on purpose so he wouldn't have to kill him?
We are still talking about this shit years later? It’s blatantly obvious itachi would fold jiraiya
Jiraiya >>Kisame
Shippuden Itachi > Jiraiya > Part 1 Itachi
Sorry not sorry. Itachi only becomes HIM in Shippuden.
Not really, the only difference is that Itachi actually shows off more of his abilities in shippuden. He still had them in part 1. That’s like saying Jiraiya didn’t have shit like sage mode in part 1 because he never showed it.
We already got confirmation that Itachi is stronger than a Sannin when Orochimaru, who is the strongest sannin and Jiraiyas rival admitted inferiority to Itachi in part 1.
Part 1 Itachi is the exact same as shippuden Itachi except not as sick and blind, so you might even be able to argue that he’s stronger in part 1.
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