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Out of curiosity, who do you think is smarter Minato or Shikamaru. Your honest opinion.
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Minato only deduced that obito can’t hit him while intangible, that’s freaking common sense lmfao
Erm no, he completely broke down the fundamentals of the jutsu completely better than anyone else ever actually did. You can try and downplay his feat all you want but the fact is he beat Obito better than anyone ever did to the point it set his plan back completely by 17 years. It took Konan years of working with him to learn that much about the Kamui and then it took years of prep time to counter it and she still failed.
It took Sakura to break it down for Kakashi and it took Kakashi fighting with Guy, Bee and Naruto as well as having his other eye to counter it. And even then it was a hard fought battle. Minato broke it down better than anyone else ever has and then he figured out a perfect counter so bad that he no diffed Obito. The feats speak for themselves
Your giving minato kakashi’s credit literally 💀
No I'm literally not. Kakashi couldn't figure out how it worked, it was Sakura that figured it out and broke it down for Kakashi.
Re watch or read the manga again
I suggest you reread chapter 395. It's actually all of them piecing the Kamui together to figure out what's going on but it is Sakura that makes the main breakdown to the rest of them. And they still couldn't counter it.
Which still isn't as good as what Minato did and it took them longer to deduce it than it did Minato. So yeah don't tell me to reread something when I have the manga on tap and can actually prove what I'm saying
I'd argue its much easier to deduce someone's ability when someone is ACTIVELY attacking you. Obito had already grabbed minato to try warp him away. Then minato tried attacking obito and then phased right through him. Kakashi didn't get a chance to see obito on the offensive at that very moment.
Now that minato knew/guessed that obito had to materialized to actually touch him, he baited him, tp'd to the kunai at the last second then hit him. All in all, I don't really believe its super impressive.
Konan managed to almost one shot obito just by mixing in paper bombs with her regular paper.
Not really. Because with Minato there was so much more to worry about. He had no one else to rely on and there was about 5 separate things that he had to worry about at the time. Plus Minato saw the ability less overall before he figured out exactly how it worked. All of the Konoha 11 plus Kakashi and Yamato were attacking him all at once and still it took them longer to figure it out and they didn't figure it out to his level. The only thing Kakashi actually figured out was that he was using space time ninjutsu and that it surpassed Minato's but Minato also figured that out and in less time with seeing it less.
Minato didn't guess he saw it happen so knew that was a stipulation but then so did Kakashi with Shino's bugs but he still didn't deduce it like Minato did. Minato figured out much more with less time and seeing it work less. He also figured it out on his own while Kakashi and Co. Had a full team to deduce bits and pieces with Sakara figuring out the main part. But the fact remains that all of them combined deduced less than Minato and Minato had less time to deduce it all.
As for Konan, she didn't nearly one-shot him. She caught him off guard sure and he underestimated her that's true. But Obito ultimately went on to win that fight. Minato beat him so badly that he gave up his strongest asset, let it get taken away and then ran.
Plus Minato saw the ability less overall before he figured out exactly how it worked.
Your forgetting this version of obito was 14 and was quite naive. In fact, I'd be hard pressed to say that minato "knew" how kamui worked. I'd more then likely say he's more of the mindset off "he's gotta materialized to hit me". Which is weird cause obito IS ABLE to materialize parts of his body without needing his full body materialized.
As for Konan, she didn't nearly one-shot him
Obitos, mask was blown off, he's was bleeding(something minato could not do) and had his arm completely blown off. If not for uchiha bs, he loses badly.
She caught him off guard sure
We're not gonna act like the only way to hit obito IS to catch him off guard. Minato also caught obito off guard🤨.
I don't need to because all Kakashi did was figure out how to counter Obito's Kamui and the only reason he figured it out was because he had his other eye.
When the Konoha 11 were trying to capture Itachi, Obito was distracting them and their attacks all kept passing through it, it was Sakura that deduced how it worked and told everyone else. Not Kakashi. You re read the manga or watch the anime again