minnesotareformer.com/2020/11/17/prosecutors-say-chauvin-kept-his-knee-on-teenagers-back-for-17-minutes-in-2017-while-the-boy-said-i-cant-breathe/
Prosecutors say Chauvin kept his knee on teenager’s back for 17 minutes in 2017, while the boy said ‘I can’t breathe’
A 14 year old boy.... fucking Christ man!
Who the fuck allows this person to continue working? They also have to be prosecuted
And thus, we all have a better understanding of why ACAB is a thing.
Anyone responsible for letting this man continue to do his job, or propping up an establishment that supports people like this, is complicit in the murder of George Floyd and deserves the same fate as Chauvin.
I 100% agree with the second sentiment, but I still don’t think that ACAB is a thing. Full departments, yes. Higher up officers and lieutenants, more likely. But not all are bad.
While ACAB may not be entirely fair or true, the problems are widespread enough that a very large number of police are at least complicit if not guilty. Even worse, there seems to be almost no attempt at introspection.
This has by now done such extensive damage to their image that ACAB becomes a sadly understandable sentiment.
It's not fair to the remaining good cops, but even less fair to the general public they are supposed to be serving and protecting.
I agree with the sentiment generally speaking. I’m just against acab because it’s divisive and taken too literally by some and there can be more productive discourse. I can empathize with how (as you said sadly) someone can see that acab is a thing, but I think it’s important to try to avoid that talk and be more constructive which I believe will be more effective in solving the problem.
People like you in this comment thread are the good ones, but I’m assuming you can see the ones who are the problem and which make the problem much worse in my opinion. I don’t know if it’s right, but my comment wasn’t for people of your (and to an extent our) mindset, it’s to hopefully stop the extreme mindset.
First, I don't disagree with you. But the unfortunate reality is that the general public will always be subject to mob mentality. Which is the reason it's so important our public offices are held to a higher standard, not lower. Whether it's the police, the presidency or the senate. These can only function by virtue of public trust..
ACAB may factually not be completely correct but the only way to fight this idea is for the police to come clean. At the moment they seem (in general) to be doing the opposite and digging in their heels.
Seems like we are mostly on the same page here. Agree with everything that you said. Just not sure how being okay with the mob mentality and extremist if “acab” forces the cops to come clean... although I don’t know if anything would necessarily. Just don’t think it does anything good for the cause.
I’ve yet to see someone say acab and someone who is more adverse to the statement engage in constructive discourse or even beyond that have acab be anything productive at all. On the other hand being a quote-unquote “libertarian” myself (although I vote almost always democrat for what it’s worth) and having a lot of conservative people in my life due to where I was raised and my background, I find actually informing with facts and scenarios much more productive. Anecdotal I’m sure, but I do think the first part is true pretty much regardless.
ACAB is true, for the simple fact that if you report corruption you, yourself, are likely to become a victim. Look up what happens to cops who cross the blue line.
While not all individual officers are bad, you’re literally signing up for the tough choice of choosing your life or the just thing, or not caring at all. And if you stay on after realizing that we’ll then I think that makes you a bad person.
Supreme Court ruled the police have no duty to serve or protect.
The law doesn't guide morality, nor philosophy. If the supreme court ruled that cops have no duty, that only means that no such duty is explicitly described in the constitution. We could easily write such a thing into law at the state, local, or federal level though.
Easily?
About as easy as passing any other law, so yeah, maybe not the best word choice.
not all cops are bad people when they join. what makes them bad if is the system they enforce because at some point in their career they are going to have to enforce unjust laws. if they dont they loose their jobs.
No good cops in a racist system.
That's why we talk about systemic problems, systemic racism. Because if Myles Cosgrove can turn off his body camera, kill Breonna Taylor, and only be punished because he also happened to shoot into a neighboring apartment, then the system that allowed that needs to change.
I don't want to believe that all cops are bastards, I want to believe there are some good, moral people that are working hard against the mountain of shit that is police in America. (And to be sure, there have been -- but whatever small successes there have been still leave us here.) But life isn't a Hollywood movie, we can't expect a miracle finish at the end. We need to work hard to make a new system that doesn't put up with all that shit.
the Breonna Taylor case is a perfect example of the US over criminalize everything. no knock warrant for a drug bust? if they went to her house in the morning or afternoon and calmly knocked on the door and say we have a warrant it wouldn't even leave the police blotter.
Her boyfriend shot a cop. They had a "no knock" warrant, but they knocked anyways. They knocked, he shot through the door, they returned fire, and she died.
She would be alive today, if she only had better choice in men. Her ex was a drug dealer who often used her apartment to stash his stash. Her latest boyfriend was the kind of guy who would shoot at cops. This is a bad combination if you don't wish to be shot by the police.
Minneapolis doesn't want you.
She would be alive today, if she only had better choice in men.
you disgusting piece of shit.
you forget the part where the cops were in plain clothes and it was only 1 witness who said they knocked while 11 others said they did not.
taylor boyfriend was shooting at people he thought were home invaders. how could he have known the people busting down his door in plain clothes were cops and not rapist and killers?
Her ex was a drug dealer.
who really gives a shit? the drug war has been a failure anyways.
Even then I completely get the sentiment but still not all cops are actually bad and the “rally cry” of acab is divisive. I think there’s more productive ways to talk about it and effect change.
Becoming safer? Did you read the article or even the headline of what you posted? Your own source literally says that Minneapolis is more dangerous and violent with more shootings, murders, robberies, etc. Basically any way you look at it, it's worse.
There are less police overall, less police interactions and therefore less police violence
But less police violence is not the same as less violence, and even on the net it appears that violence has increased.
I don't disagree that cops are bastards, but let's not pretend that Minneapolis has suddenly become a safer place to live over the last few months.
It's one thing to say that things are moving in the right direction in terms of changing police and police violence. However, saying things are safer is objectively wrong. Sure if you have no police, there will be no police violence. But if having no police means substantial increases in violence in general and people getting killed, then at best it seems like a terribly bad approach to make changes.
You realize he is a conservative anti-BLMer trolling, right?
Nah that all or nothing mentality is just naive and stupid.
Reform and change is 100% necessary and in the specific instance of the MPD it needs to be the majority, but saying all cops are bad no matter what is just dumb.
You're right, nuance is important. Not all cops are bad guys. They just work with bad guys, socialize with bad guys off hours, participate in collective bargaining with bad guys, and remain silent whenever the bad guys do something bad. But whatever you do, definitely don't assume they're bad guys.
That’s still not the case. You can replace your statements with some. And beyond that there’s aspect of effecting change in a positive way that may involve bad aspects but that still doesn’t mean they’re bad. There’s other things along these lines I could say alternatively (simply have you ever had to do something bad or know of someone who had to do something bad to unequivocally do something good?), but I’m not trying to make this into that type of conversation because that’s not my point.
My point is 110% yes we need massive change in policing and the other organizations involving it. My other point is acab is divisive and doesn’t contribute to effecting change in a positive way.
I’m sorry but that’s a ridiculous perspective. People will run around and hunt down someone who just robbed a store? Out of the goodness of their hearts/love for the community? Not at all. Muggings, rapes, murders, etc. will still happen and a police in some form is 100% necessary.
What a fucking absurd thing to believe
If you have a room with one hundred people in it, and once of those people steals from everyone in the next room, but the 99 other people do not, and yet are absolutely aware that they have a thief in their midst-how many "good" people are in that room?
What a dumb example. If you have a room with a hundred people in it, there is likely one paedophile, a murderer or two, a couple of rapists and two or three armed robbers. They know they have a thief in their midst, but they don't know who it is. Odds are they have a few thieves, but they didn't see anyone steal anything.
Because cops lie and cover for each other all the time. Did you not know that? Did you hear about the letter put out by the MPD decrying excessive force and suggesting things needed to change? Out of 800 cops-18 signed it. You knew that, right?
When the system breaks down so horribly, they are all complicit and responsible. To say "not all bad" doesn't warrant the gravity of the problem we face with public service and protection and how we solve it.
Acab is a thing because we need it to be.
I’m sorry I disagree. I agree with what u/manigeitora said a lot in sentiment and why some people say acab, but like I said to them, some people take it too literally and it’s just not true. Acab is not a need to have thing and only creates further division.
people who are against people saying acab have the same kind of mindset as the people who ran around saying not all men. No, we don't mean literally every single police officer in the country or the world is a bad person. what we mean is that the system in place is too efficient at protecting those who break the law while under employment to preserve and protect it, while being a hostile place at best for those who actually want to enact meaningful change within that system. I've talked to at least a handful of people personally who are ex police officers who wanted to be cops with the intent of trying to enact meaningful change from within the system, that were ridiculed and sometimes straight up threatened and were forced to quit. Acab is just a much shorter way to get that sentiment across.
So by that logic, all taxpayers. This is one of the reasons why people argue that the only moral and ethical government is small and with the bare minimum of taxes (though I am not arguing that per se, it's more of a philosophical conundrum).
I think it’s an argument to have more involvement in government. The community, every last one of us, has valuable insight into the services our government can and should provide and we should all be given a role in making those decisions (more than voting, I mean).
What that actually looks like, I have no idea, but we should all be participating in oversight in some way so this never happens again.
Yes, more involvement in government (which is not the same thing as arguing for bigger or smaller governmental institutions). I agree.
I’d argue it’s the same- more engagement = bigger government. For example, we might need more training from different voices, more community engagement events, more staff to handle increased data from community members (data like emails, voicemails, etc and analyzing the content). Then, training staff (like police officers) to engage in their work in different ways.
These are just a few examples, but none of them happen with smaller government.
Don't forget the charade that is the Charter Commission.
Whata that, could you Eli5
TL;DR: State Law requires MPLS to have an appointed body that determines if changes can be made to the city charter. Because MPLS failed multiple times to make a working charter over 100 years ago.
If said commission chooses, they can push or kill any meaningful changes to how MPLS can operate.
Note: they are not elected. They have four year terms. There is zero oversight. They are at best tenuously responsive to the city.
It's a mess. Mostly because MPLS couldn't make a functional city charter as it was busy exploding in size in the early 1900s.
The commission sat on the recommendation from the city council for 90 days (killing any hope for a ballot measure). On purpose.
https://www.aclu-mn.org/en/press-releases/aclu-mn-statement-minneapolis-charter-commission-decision
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/06/899881941/minneapolis-charter-commission-puts-police-changes-on-hold http://www2.minneapolismn.gov/charter/index.htm
Yikes thanks for the input
Yeah, it's kinda nuts. I mean, I used to study how the state government operated back in HS and College, but this one totally slipped past me.
Next question: Is there anything we can do to get rid of (or at least modify) the Charter Commission?
Public. Employee. Unions. are the problem.
The Minneapolis Police Union sees to it that bad cops get a paid vacation, reinstated, & any/all disciplinary actions get flushed.
And we (Mpls taxpayers) provide bad MPD cops with their malpractice insurance.
MPD needs more cops like we need (Derek Chauvin, next week’s version of Derek Chauvin) kneeling on our necks or shooting our dog. Pigs.
Bob Kroll. We will all be better off when he's unemployed.
Police union, and they're president, Bob "I'm a fascist" Kroll
The outlaws are in-laws
Our future US Attorney General...
Fuck bob Kroll, and fuck the police union
Also... was he black?
It does matter, because cops are more likely to get away with stuff like this if the victim is black. Cops certainly abuse ALL people and not just black people, but they abuse black people at a higher rate
Instead they put him in charge of training new officers.
It probably matters in the courtroom
How many other should be? Wasnt there so stupid stat that said all the complaints filed had pretty much zero actions taken
what? are people saying that depending on the race of the boy he shouldn’t have lost his job?
that’s what I’m wondering.
This boy was apparently 6-foot-2 and weighed 240 pounds. That's bigger than 90% of adult men. The were called by the mother who said her son and daughter assaulted her. So the cops were there because this giant was acting violently. Someone that size could flick most adults around like they were flies. How would you propose handling someone like that who is behaving violently and who refuses to be taken into custody while flailing his arms around? Call social workers? Get on your knees and beg him to comply? Release him because it is too much trouble to apprehend him? Or hit him in the head with a flashlight and subdue him in a hold that didn't lead to any serious injury. Job well done IMHO.
These guys are also trained and heavily armed. I'm almost 6'2" and weigh more than that and I've never successfully intimidated anyone. What logic is this?
You're an absolute pscyho. The fact you're patting Chauvin on the back for beating a 14 year old with a flashlight is unbelievably fucked up as is, but also knowing that he murdered George Floyd - you are hopeless.
I don’t give a fuck how big the kid is, he is a 14 year old child, and this is unacceptable behavior from a trained professional.
Chauvin hit him with his flashlight twice and grabbed his throat and applied a neck restraint causing him to lose consciousness.
14 years old, unarmed kid vs a grown “professional” law informed by officer
If you read the description of the incident, of the child crying, the mother begging them not to kill her son, and you came away thinking “yeah that sounds reasonable” you should really not consider any career where you interact with people, your understanding of acceptable social behavior is not inline with the majority of the functioning world
Edit:
Hell I just read the court filings:
“At 9:13:22, *a mere 33** seconds after telling him to come out of the room, both officers grabbed the child. At that point in time, the child was backed up against his bedroom wall. Officer Walls told the child to get on his stomach, and when he did not, Chauvin hit the child with his flashlight, just eight seconds after first grabbing the child. Two seconds later, Chauvin grabbed the child’s throat and hit him again in the head with his flashlight.*”
You and I have now discussed this longer than the officers gave a scared 14 year old to respond to their requests....
So how would you deal with a 6 foot 2 inch 240 pound boy who violently assaulted his mother to the point she felt compelled to call the police, and when you arrive is continuing to act out violently and refuses to be taken into custody so that social services can deal with him? Please describe the "professional" steps you would take to resolve a volatile situation like that, from the time you arrive at the scene until you have successfully resolved it? Points will be deducted if your steps involve the use of tasers or beanbags, both of which can be fatal, or if you get the shit beaten out of you. Your final step must involve the boy being subdued so he can be dealt with by social services without serious injury. You know, like Chauvin did.
How about you talk to the kid for more than 1/2 a minute. There was no imminent danger, he wasn’t going anywhere, they talked to the mom for 30 min....
That sounds like a great plan. I wonder why they didn't think of that? Maybe you should call their hotline to let them know.
You honestly think clubbing a kid in the head with a flashlight was the best possible solution?
It appears to have worked very well in this case. And while technically he is a kid, he's a 6'2 240 lb human being. Not the smaller versions of adults we usually think of when we're referring to kids.
Again, you honestly can’t think of one thing he could do before bludgeoning a child with a flashlight.... absolutely nothing comes to mind?
This exactly. I love how all the idiots on Reddit don’t even consider this truth.
Your lack of self awareness is staggering.
33 seconds between “come out of your room” and a flashlight to the side of the head...
Does that honestly seem reasonable to you? For a 14 year old kid (let alone a grown adult)....
literal sociopath ^
he's a monster that's been allowed to wear a badge and carry a gun.
The lack of accountability in modern policing is horrid. If they want any kind of public support they NEED to address this issue.
I knew it, I absolutely knew that that asshole had to have kneeled on people before. There's no way the first time you put a knee to somebody's neck you do it until they're dead, that's something that happens at the end of a series of escalations, likely a series full of close calls that instill confidence in the assaulter because they're too incompetent to see how close they brought their victim to the edge.
He's a fucking psycho
Demonstrates a history of abusive tactics.
As if we had any doubt that would be the case with this POS. You don't go from a regular everyday police officer to someone willing to murder a man in broad daylight in the blink of an eye. I'm shocked this didn't come out earlier and do not think this is the last story we will hear like this either.
The issue is, these are tactics taught and authorized by the MPD. This is one of the reasons he likely won't see a conviction on the charges.
Policies within the MPD need to change.
I believe this tactic was banned by the MPD about 3 years ago.
Like Capone he will go to jail for tax evasion.
This piece of shit needs to be locked up in gen pop
Sorry, as much as I'd love to not waste money jailing this cunt it's exactly what we need to do. Solitary until he's dead sounds great to me. In a couple years he'll be a shell of what he used to be and then he'll have to live with that shell till he dies. It'll be hell on earth. I'd be happy to help pay for that.
Dark, brutal, and appropriate.
... k...
... k'ed...
Police are never put into gen pop, they're put into protective custody- aka solitary confinement. The mental torture he'll endure there is much worse.
He’ll be dead within 15 minutes in Gen Pop. It’ll save us all Soooo much money compared to keeping this trash in solitary forever.
Put him in Gen Pop, be done with it.
He’ll be dead within 15 minutes in Gen Pop.
We all know this.
That's why we don't want it to happen.
I want to pay for him to suffer for decades. If he's dead he can't suffer. Other cops need to see that they can suffer if they become murderers.
That's the easy way out (for him).
Even if the dude gets off someone is going to get him. There won’t be a more hated man in America
I just hope the people in our justice system are smart enough to realize the damage that his acquittal will cause.
We can't have a justice system that convicts people because it's afraid of how the public will react if it doesn't.
Innocent until proven guilty is one of the most fundamental ideals this country has and even this piece of shit deserves that. Let's let them prove his guilt.
People don't believe in the justice system because it has been corrupted and shown to have repeatedly failed. Plenty of cops have gotten away with murder just by stating things like "I feared for my life." or "I did the tactics I was told." hence why people are fed up and refuse to believe in the justice system.
Those are valid concerns that I share.
Minnesota got a murder conviction on Noor with a lot less concrete evidence than they have in the Chauvin case. I'm confident they'll get one here too.
Where did I say I think he's not guilty of murder?
It's clear you don't know anything about how the law works, however.
If they don't convict Chauvin then our system is really broken and people will and should be pissed off about that. What he did was incredibly wrong and he deserves a severe punishment of some kind.
No disrespect meant to you.
But the way they've handled this shit with daniel cameron and the breonna taylor case along with the fact that this shit went down in May /June and we still have no justice served I have zero confidence of that happening.
Oh for sure
That what I meant by “I hope” because everything that’s happened in the rest of the cases has been bullshit. I’m fully prepared for total anarchy to break out again. I’m sure they’ll somehow find a way to justify a man choking a man for eight minutes as justified. It’s the American way and it’s goddamn shameful.
Really? He was fired and arrested within two days of Floyd's death. How long do you think murder trials normally take? This isn't a TV show; they don't wrap it up in an hour. This shit takes time in the real world. Grow up.
You're going to tell me to grow up?
Go fuck yourself bitch my city burned over this you fucking cuck.
When there's video evidence and this much of a history of prior offenses there is no need to take their sweet fucking time like this, even for a proper trial.
Look at the video of the people who burned our city. None of them gave a single fuck about George Floyd. They just wanted an excuse to burn shit down, because they are anarchist pieces of shit. You dumb fucking cunt.
Why do you think murder trials should be concluded in a couple of weeks, just because there is video evidence? It's a cop doing his job and subduing a criminal, using a technique that was endorsed by his department. That's pretty fucking far from an open-and-shut case. Jury selection alone will probably take the better part of a year. Good luck finding 24 people who haven't already formed opinions on this case (they are going to need quite a few alternate jurors on this one). Grow the fuck up, you petulant child.
Who the fuck said it was great police work, you moron? I said Chauvin was fired and arrested within two days, in response to an idiot complaining that he wasn't immediately sentenced to be drawn and quartered. Murder trials take time, as they should. If you don't agree, you're nothing but a fascist. You want the government to declare a person guilty of murder within a day of the incident, and I favor the boot? Sure thing, sparky.
Tsk tsk tsk orcscorper, you shouldn't be calling anyone a fascist after the things you've said ITT.
Pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot, no?
LOL
A cop doing his job?!
So that's what it is, you're a fucking cop piece of shit aren't you piggy?
No wonder everything you've said in this thread is on the wrong side of history.
If you think that was a cop doing his job why don't you do the people Minnesota's job for them and swallow a bullet right now you cowardly fucking desiccated shell of a human being.
This is hard to read. It's inexcusable that many people have just accepted that irredeemable pieces of shit like this will exist in our PDs. Disappointingly, I was blind to it until this year. Something needs to change.
Can’t even imagine the level rioting that will happen if guy doesn’t do some serious time after all that he’s done
They should just give the verdict when it’s - 0°
The fires will warm the city up
It's not going to be that cold in April.
It's very likely these officers won't be found guilty according to numerous experts I've spoken with. Much of the actions fall within the allowed tactics and training the MPD provides (that needs to change but it doesn't change the fact that they were allowed when it happened). Additionally, the levels of crime selected by the AG make it very very very difficult to secure a conviction in this case.
I've listened to hours of legal analysis on this myself and none of what you're saying is anything more than useless speculation. Murder convictions are always difficult to attain on police officers but that doesn't tell us anything about the merits of this case.
Oh yeah, the guy that claims no one with who is an expert with countless years of direct experience as a lawyer and with great knowledge of the legal system can make and type of educated guess based on vast previous experience.
What's next, will you claim that scientists can't make any educated guesses about black holes because they haven't been into one themselves? 🙄
The analogy doesn’t really apply here. Human systems aren’t constants, they are incredibly complex and dynamic. The ways in which we understand black holes are extrapolated from known constants and mathematical rules.
And yet, we put tons of stock into all kinds of human systems and predictions of their results. From presidential voting to sports outcomes, we recognize that when we consider the facts we can be decently accurate in many predictions that still involve human choices.
go doomer somewhere else dude
And presidential polling is pretty bad, and sports upsets happen. Thanks for making my point clearer.
Additionally, the levels of crime selected by the AG make it very very very difficult to secure a conviction in this case.
The levels of crime selected by the AG in this case are fairly low-end stuff. It's actually difficult to find any charges that could be charged at a lower severity for a homicide case. They're charged with unintentional manslaughter and unintentional murder. There are no lower homicide charges they could even file.
Mike Freeman’s block will probably burn to the ground if that happens.
He moved.
When cops are abusing people like this, it's no wonder that they're hated.
interesting that people are getting downvoted. I guess the apologists can't even make an excuse for this?
Defense Attorneys: Clearly this shows that my client was not intentionally harming this person but rather following training protocol which he had done many times before.
I believe it's in section 230-1 of the excessive force handbook, page 86, right after the section called, "When to pull the trigger: What qualifies as 'reaching for their waistband'"
"just following protocol/order's" the last people who said that were hanging at the end of the day.
And he killed my friends dad in 2006. FUCK CHAUVIN!
https://www.facebook.com/anishtradish/posts/10158836166574172
The Washington post article doesn't want to work, so I provided Wayne Reyes son's post.
did he get out of his car with a shotgun
Getting a 404 on the link. WaPo may have taken it down.
It's a shame this footage can't be made available to the public, though outrage and emotions would CERTAINLY boil over.
I don’t think we need more videos of people being brutalized, nor another reason to have protests turn into riots by a select few.
The outrage of just knowing it happened before is more than enough to keep most people’s foot on the gas with this topic.
Yes and no? I doubt we'd be talking about Chauvin right now if we there hadn't been a widely shared video in May. Yet maybe been don't need more at this point.
I agree, idk why white people think videos are necessary for people to understand? Is the description not enough to realize this is all fucked?
A massive amount of people didn’t think the MPD had any issues until they saw a video right around Memorial Day.
These videos are crucially important.
Especially when the MPD and the city are trying to grift us all out of more tax money. They had a multi million dollar increase in budget, they didn’t do anything with it, and then they hit us for another half million for some reason which they can’t even define or outline.
Exactly. I’m white myself but I don’t need videos to know how deeply problematic things are. The sad thing is, I think a lot of people need it rammed down their throat for them to continue caring over time. I think that’s what OP might mean, which I totally get.
Some people do need footage though, we still have people who think the police do not need change
People will say that the article is fake. Hell, people will argue the footage is doctored.
I’m sorry, what does needing videos have to do with being white? No reason to bring race into that aspect.
In can be disputed without video. Are you really so naive to believe everything that makes its way into a news story or police report?
So the Minneapolis Police Department knew it was a matter of time he killed someone, and kept him on anyway?
Dude needs to spend every second of the rest of his life behind bars. Preferably in the general population.
POS has a history of being a POS. Shocker.
The guy obviously has a blinding rage problem and never should have been a cop.
"there ought to be 2 requirements for being a police officer: intelligence and decency!"
Man this guys a piece of shit
Same old white person abusing his power. People don’t like to acknowledge this but I’ll do it .
Is this stuff admissible in court/this case? Would hopefully help a lot in putting him away for good.
why isn't he on death row?
Minnesota doesn't have death row.
then send him somewhere else
surprised pikachu face
Found this statistic.
Sadly, the trend of fatal police shootings in the United States seems to only be increasing, with a total 809 civilians having been shot, 157 of whom were Black, as of October 30, 2020. In 2018, there were 996 fatal police shootings, and in 2019 this figure increased to 1,004. Additionally, the rate of fatal police shootings among Black Americans was much higher than that for any other ethnicity, standing at 32 fatal shootings per million of the population as of October 2020.
69% of statistics are made up
2017? Am I living in some alternate reality? Edit: Holy fawk!!!!
Thank god this kid didn't have a serious heart condition, hypertension, covid and enough fentanyl flowing through his veins to take down a fucking rhino. Otherwise he could have died from this cops actions.
This cop was a POS but so was George Floyd. Hard to feel sorry for either of them.
Practice, practice, practice....
and
The details are worse than the headline