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This time Democrats are supporting this, but Republicans are not. Both parties are not your friend, unless you are part of the Donor Class.
Firestorm erupts over requiring women to sign up for military draft
GeneralNobody should be subjected to war slavery.
Agreed but if one half is, the whole should be.
It should be everyone or no one.
Nobody who voted for war and not subject to be drafted to said war should have voting rights to begin with. Regardless of age if you vote for war you automatically volunteer for it first.
Women almost need to go military in 2024. They keep imposing about conscript men/boys then they must serve as well as men/boys. Women are not acting nicely for these issues. They are just bothering. They should go in war too. Women deserves it.
You have to go to military regardless gender, age, race, religion. You have to serve If you are living in a country that requires mandatory draft registration. It's everyones duty.
It could actually be a pretty good thing if every woman was forced to serve at some level, because they they'd *all* finally have a sense of the hardship men have faced for millenia and it might make a lot of confused feminists sthu about their one sided perspectives.
Nobody who voted for war and not subject to be drafted to said war should have voting rights to begin with.
We vote for representatives. Not for war. It's a pretty stupid system which shields people from the responsibility of their choices.
But, yeah. I agree. Folks need to put up or shut up.
Cure is to make women equal.
They making people very uncomfortable. This is quite serious problem than people think. Their existence does bothering toward seniors and youngsters. They must learn protect themselves absolutely.
Nobody should but if needs, then both. Not male only. War is not kindergarten.
There's never a need to enslave anyone.
The trouble with theoretically abolishing it is that as soon as a country is facing severe military pressure, they'll simply reinstate it. For example, conscription in Ukraine was canceled under Yanukovych, but quickly reinstated in 2014, and ramped up in stages since then.
[copy and paste of my own comment I made on a similar thread]
I've observed the same. But, it's still enslavement and is still not okay. It should be resisted by all means possible.
In the US, the best option would probably be if you could somehow pass a constitutional amendment to change or take away the power granted congress to raise an army in article 8, clause 12. The Supreme Court ruled that meant conscription in a court case in 1918. The only way to undo that is with a new Supreme Court decision that overturns it or an amendment. (That I'm aware of).
Plus, an amendment would make it a lot harder to quickly change back. That also makes it hard to get through in the first place though.
I agree but if you want equality and to eventually get rid of the draft it just first apply to all so it’s an everyone issue. The right to vote came with a heavy cost and that cost should be for everyone if it is to exist.
Nobody should vote unless you serve your country in some way.
Obligatory Starship Troopers gif
Service grants Citizenship.
Would you like to know more?
I think paying taxes counts as serving your country.
Well, the counterargument is you drive the roads, use the fire department, use the police force, etc.
Now, if you told me you pay half a million in taxes each year, that can change the discussion.
So how much?
That’s fine but I won’t be paying any taxes then.
No taxation without representation and so forth
I would unironically be interested in that system. Everyone should have to do a "tour" of public service to vote. 2-4 years working in healthcare, infrastructure development, or the military.
It would be a great way to bolster important workforces (healthcare and infrastructure) while also providing real world job experience for young people. We could tie a subsidy to it as well so people who want to pursue secondary education for in-demand careers afterwards can do so at a cheaper rate.
For example, you could have a young person work as a porter/care-aid/phlebotomist for 2-4 years and they could do some on-the-job training to shortcut into nursing, medical technology, or even medschool. You could work building roads for a few years and leverage that service into some kind of engineering diploma/degree. All the while you are helping your community, hopefully developing a closer bond with people you might not otherwise know, and will be not only a more responsible voter, but a more productive member of society.
Does this include the politicians who don't serve the country's and the people?
Agreed
That's a solid basis for deciding on an electorate, but it's not what anyone's dealing with right now.
Correct but good luck
What’s your alternative? Let Russia just take whatever land it wants?
Negotiate with them in good faith... instead of all the corrupt bullshit that was going on a decade ago.
Free trade builds partnerships. Corruption builds wars.
And if that fails?
Then individuals and their chosen market defense options can decide whether it makes sense to mount a defense.
If you think the only way you can be safe is to go around murdering people who might one day become a threat and enslaving your neighbors to do the murdering, you're a morally corrupt monster.
I’m just wondering what happens when the murderers are at the door and no one wants to pick up a weapon. I guess you just get wiped out?
If the US was under active attack, you think people would just stand there like sheep? We're the most armed populace on the planet.
Armed populace vs planes, tanks and an army with military grade weapons. I’m sure that will go well.
Also Ukraine had to force people to fight. They didn’t have enough volunteers.
If we didn't have a corrupt government which gave itself a monopoly on advanced weaponry, it'd be different.
This mentality is not based in reality. Every country that has ended their draft has simply brought it back when war approached. Like Germany just did. Therefore it is a requirement that first we get court cases that declare gender discrimination in the draft to be illegal and THEN we can pretend like we end the draft.
Are you pretending that the ruling aristocrats won't enslave women into factories, mines, support roles, and to the front line?
I think the time has come that women join us in the struggle. It's us, men, who've been exploited by the ruling aristocrats. And women don't lift a finger to end war and to end the draft. Is suddenly they were to become our allies then maybe we could unite and fight the aristocrats better.
You do realize that you're only talking about women between the ages of 18 and 26. Right? Once they aged out, they'd start rattling sabers again. And, frankly, young people aren't really the saber rattlers as it is. The people you'd need as allies are the 50yo+ crowd.
We need everyone to see that the words "selective service", "draft", and "conscription" are just euphemisms for "slavery". I don't agree with accelerationism because it reduces freedom.
Ages 18 to 26 are for registering with selective service. The law currently permits conscripting citizens (or those requesting citizenship) between the ages of 17 and 44.
Yes we need the 44+ crowd in our side, too. But this sub is not youthRights, this sub is MensRights. Let's keep the discussion on topic. We need women as allies against the upper classes that exploit us. So let's pass the E.R.A. and then it will be unconstitutional to draft only men. Once we have case law on the ERA applying to the draft then we will have women as allies against the draft.
I understand the political maneuver. Expand an immoral thing to more people in hopes that more people will oppose said immoral thing. But, if you read the comments throughout this post, you'll see that even MRAs support the enslavement of people into combat, so long as it's not just men.
To me, expanding an immoral thing is immoral and ought not be done. It needs to be ended.
I'll repeat the obvious. We can not pretend like it's possible to end conscription. Every time a country indulges in such a fantasy they bring back conscription as soon as war approaches.
Look at Germany as an example. They ended conscription. Now it's coming back in preparation for a war with Russia. And since there's no case law in Germany banning gender discrimination in conscription they're bringing it back as the enslavement of men and boys, only.
Therefore it is a mandatory precondition that first we get court precedent that bars gender discrimination in conscription. Only THEN can we play a game of make-believe where we imagine that we ended the draft. It must happen in that order.
First make the draft gender neutral then shelve the draft.
I'll repeat the obvious. We can not pretend like it's possible to end conscription. Every time a country indulges in such a fantasy they bring back conscription as soon as war approaches.
It's entirely possible to end it. Change the minds of your neighbors, band together, and shoot back when they try to enslave you and yours. The use of real, accurate language is a great way to start. It's slavery. Not "conscription". Quit playing the slaver's word games.
Look at Germany as an example.
Let's not. They're not citizens. They're subjects who have been disarmed and cannot reasonably resist the will of their owners.
Therefore it is a mandatory precondition that first we get court precedent that bars gender discrimination in conscription. Only THEN can we play a game of make-believe where we imagine that we ended the draft. It must happen in that order.
This does not logically flow from your prior statements. Show your proof that including women will magically end war-enslavement. Your baseless assertions are inadequate.
the law >>>>>>>> your "should."
Law = your "morality"
Oh but it’s part of the deal with living in the society.
You are 100%free to leave and ask to be accepted by another nation as their citizen if you object or go and work within our system to make changes you like.
Do I believe what Ike said has proven to be true? Yes, I do.
Can the citizens of this nation change that? Yes, we can.
Will we? Highly unlikely as there seems to be a lot of foolish idiots in this nation and legalized corruption favoring the very rich.
Regardless, women should also sign up for and have the same risks as males in the society if they want to have “same benefits” I constantly hear their leaders complain about.
Oh but it’s part of the deal with living in the society.
I don't want to live in the society. The problem is that the society staked an illegitimate claim to all the land.
You are 100%free to leave
The whole fucking continent?
Leave the continent. There are 6 others. Antarctica is open.
Apply for Mexican citizenship and renounce the US go live there.
So, because a group of people are thieving, slaving murderers, I need to leave?
Which tribe are you referring to here?
Please read what I wrote and stop complaining. Work to change things.
Fight the good fight if you don’t him think that the US empirical role we have filled from the British vacancy is right and best for the society.
Till then women should sign up for the draft like young males have too.
You:
Apply for Mexican citizenship and renounce the US go live there.
Also you:
Work to change things. Fight the good fight
Which is it?
It's your choices... you can also move to France, Germany, Argentina or wherever you can also choose... OR you can choose to try to change things for the better here.
So what is your solution, whining? The world is the way it is, deal with it or advocate a solution that most people will see value in.
I think a great first step is to challenge people's use of euphemisms which obscure the reality of things. There's no draft or conscription. It's slavery. I'd argue that it's a worse form of slavery than what occurred in the American South because it forces you to murder other slaves and puts you at high risk of death.
Okay, so lets say we all accept your definition of it being slavery. What next?
Next, we tell the occupiers of our lands that they may not enslave us into their wars.
They agree, what next? And what do you do about the enemies from the other lands when they come marching into your suddenly attractively undefended lands?
Voluntarily pay for a professional defensive army?
They no shit just passed a law through the house that says men don't have any type of sign up anymore, automatically registered
The only thing this did was make it more convenient. I get people alarm and concern, but it was already mandatory for men. This just helps make sure people aren't banned from applying for financial aid or federal jobs.
I am biased as hell since I’m past draft age but I sure as fuck wouldn’t want my daughters getting drafted.
equal rights
suddenly women will get pregnant to defer enlistment
A million years ago when I was still in the Navy, 80 females on board the USS Mount Whitney got pregnant on purpose to avoid a deployment. It was the Second Fleet command ship and NEVER left Norfolk but when the command ship in the Med needed to go into the yards for repairs and upgrades, it had to go and replace them. In Gaeta Italy...in the summer...where it would have sat and did the same thing it does in Norfolk but in the Med...in Italy...in the SUMMER.
If they'll get pregnant to avoid an Italian summer vacation, they'll do ANYTHING to avoid being drafted
Edit: I called it the "Mounty" Whitney lol
Honestly, I am fine with that.
If they want to act like a man and work for a wage but not do anything at all to contribute to their family or to their community, then when we need people to fight they can take on the same responsibility that men have to.
That's not far off what some of these women do. They go to work, go home, sit in their apartment, order in, order shit on Amazon. They don't get involved in their community and they don't do much outside of themselves.
Women's value in having children is why they are exempt from selective service in the first place. Now, I don't think they should be forced to have kids. But if they aren't doing the thing that earns them the special treatment, then they shouldn't get the special treatment. Women have, over and over, told us that the only thing that makes them different is the ability to have children. That should be the activity that gets them some protection.
They do that now. Or at least they did when it was time to deploy. Even better for them if they’re single mothers, they’ll never deploy.
Well they mandated that people take the shot . They can certainly mandate women not get pregnant. And the father of the baby would have to care for it while mom gets deployed.
Stay at home dad while your BM is on the front lines. Knock up a bunch of military chicks then collect childsupport because your with the kids more and they are the breadwinner. Buy a school bus to transport your horde as they scout out other military milfs to swindle.
I would be a male dependa if I had no pride at all lmao
You should at the very least have the opportunity.
Most leftist women are pro abortion up to birth anyways. If they mandate a shot they can mandate an abortion.
I’m a vet and I can say women did this regularly- they got knocked up to avoid deployments
Equal rights. Bankers, politicians and elite families first. All their assets are then redistributed amongst the masses
Incredible how some bigots have no problem sending men to death, but think sending women is somehow way worse.
Saw an article quoting someone saying people aren't willing ti send their daughters. Uh, what about sending your sons? Why is that okay?
Cause bigotry.
Well for one I don’t have a son. I do have a daughter though and I wouldn’t want her drafted . If I did have a son I would help him dodge the draft because fuck that
Republicans say “this is insane”, but the only thing that’s insane is actively fighting to exclude certain people from signing up for the draft.
If the women are able-bodied, they sign up, just like the men.
years ago, the roles were reveresed: the gop wanted this and the democrats were mad about it.
i think it was john mccain that shut down the gop agenda to do this.
Men are not bears. Let that sink in.
It’s the same thing with genital mutilation, prison sentences or death penalty, sterilisation, etc.
A male only draft is a clear violation of our 14th amendment right to equal protection under the law. Register as conscientious objectors on those grounds and they'll be singing a very different tune.
I completely agree with you. You should consider signing my petition i have on change .org that calls on congress and the senate to either apply th selective service law equally or to abolish the selective service system completely.
Link to the petition: https://chng.it/mtgBd6yn
The proponents of the change are saying that women can take positions that don’t involve front line combat, while the opponents are saying that women shouldn’t be required to register at all. Neither side cares about men.
Back in the day, this was a requirement to be able to vote.
I say if women want to vote they also have to sign up for selective service. Just like men do.
Selective service doesn't always mean combat. Support roles are always available.
Would you consider it a victory for men's rights if the military, while drafting, assigns more men to the front lines because women can replace them in the cushier support jobs?
As long as the criteria for who is assigned to the front-line or support jobs is gender neutral, it's a victory.
Yes because they are still risking their lives getting taken away from their family to support their country. I don't think they should be penalized because they aren't built for combat. Support jobs aren't always that cushy however they can be
Women are allowed to be in combat so women should not get favored for non combat roles and should be forced on the front lines like men are.
I understand what you are saying from an equality standpoint but it is terrible from a strategy standpoint and ended up costing a bunch of men their lives.
Would you want to be stuck in a foxhole filled with women? good fuckin luck
Women being disproportionately in safer parts of the military will cost way more male lives. Plus, adding women to the frontline is only adding more people to the frontline and the more the better. Even if women were less fit to serve on the front line. Also, I would chew off arm without anesthesia before going out to war for this country.
That would be a loss for men’s rights. You’d also need sex-blind job assignment to go along with it.
That makes no sense. Does the military have shortage of people doing cushier support jobs without women that they would have sent more men in front lines if women from the draft was there to fill up for them. In short, if pushing more men to the frontline was effective and optimal, why would they be waiting for women from the draft to fill the support roles up. If anything this makes sure that some men escape from the draft since women would take their place in there.
Why would that be a victory?
I'm just talking about gender equality.
If women want to vote, they should need to sign up for selective service.
What role they end up in is up to the military commanders that govern them while conscripted.
Personally I would not put too many women in front line roles but that's a different line of reasoning.
Plenty of people can be cashiers at the grocery store and gender should have nothing to do with that.
Yes. Support roles are crucial, and many women would biologically be less suited for front-line combat. Though ... I don't foresee modern warfare having much of a front line.
Looking at Ukraine drone swarms, backline support already include Drone operators and mechanics. Bombing your enemies with advance fire support is a gender-neutral activity.
Put them on the front lines too at the same rate. If men have to unfairly risk their lives, women should too and shouldn't be given the safer job.
That just doesn't sound like a reasonable idea.
If the woman is objectively less equipped than a man for the same position, put him into the spot rather than her.
Still put women in the danger zone, but only the ones suited for it. Let's make the best use of our resources and not DEI military strategy. Honestly.
Nope, put the same amount of women in danger as men or completely abolish it. No ifs, ands, or buts.
When thing get desperate enough (like Ukraine if they ran out of supplies) they wont mind sending anyone to the front lmao.
No, since women will be safer than the men
Be more like Queen Elizabeth and just join active service.
What about America's sons?
I think America has made it abundantly clear what they think about its sons.
Any feminists who denounce this are disingenuous and dishonest.
Equal rights, equal responsibilities, equal misery.
EDIT: FWIW, I do not like this at all - I have daughters too young right now - but one day will be able to be drafted if this were to go through. I much prefer a more traditional approach to intersexual dynamics.
Feminism has never been about equal responsibility.
Oh - I agree.
i agree.
but when my female kinfolks are on the "gender is a social construct" wagon, they get really quiet when stuff like this comes up.
all of a sudden, men are men and women are women... and that's that.
Yup - Mental gymnastics deployed to make uncomfortable facts fit ideology.
Dont worry, Young adult women will be part of Drone operators squad, can bomb people without being anywhere near frontline, we are fine/s
equal rights, equal fights
Equal Rights? Then they have to be under pressure equally.
Gunshot wounds to the bbls
We are ripe for equal military draft TBH, modern warfare is moving to emphasize drones, so if you are going to die you wont ever see it coming anyway, regardless of gender/s
Men If you don’t sign up you are ineligible for federal grants. But women don’t have to sign up and are eligible.
Um seems fair to make everything equal.
I hope this passes and women are drafted, Equality. Next, let's do child custody.
Part of me is also pretty concerned with, possibly, what officials and bureaucrats are cooking up. There is a lot of emphasis about the "draft", which hasn't been implemented in 50 years. You also hear rumblings of it in Europe. They're beating the war drums pretty hard.
It's also noticeable that US and Europe has brought in a lot of military age male immigrants.
Just remember, we are the "product" to our governments. The people who control the levers of power don't care about us, only control. They don't care about women either, but women respond better to societal conditioning.
Absolutely zero excuses to not have women fill their exact proportional role . If women are 51% of of the population they must be drafted at 51% and fill combat roles at 51% . The weaker women argument doesn’t cut it . Or the period excuse I’ve heard . Maybe some fathers will luck out and baby momma gets drafted. He gets the kids without having to pay an attorney. Also only killing men off kills our ability to advocate for men’s issues in voting . It’s a Gendercide any other way .
We can’t put 51% women in combat zones. We’d lose.
That’s sexist , modern warfare has changed drastically in the last few years . Women can be Grunts as well . Ranged weapons really help with this . Also women use Males PTSD from combat to have the kids longer and maintain custody. Women need to run the same risks as men . Equal is equal.
I wonder why concern trolls who pick out misogynist comments in this sub never respond to negative references of women like this. Like where are you, this user is literally saying, we would lose with women.
Adding more soldiers won't do harm, plus anyone can carry a gun.
Schumer has already said that he'll not let it go past the senate. He said it specifically for the decision to automatically register men for the selective service which the house passed some days ago. The best way to move forward is to completely abolish draft.
A sensible approach is no sign-up, no vote. Most women will take the safe option, and abstain from the right to vote.
When women are no longer the majority of the electorate, politicians of every flavour will be falling over themselves to make MALE issues a priority.
Service guarantees citizenship. Would you like to know more?
Except that last time we tried this we ended up with several times more terrorist cells than usual.
When was that, exactly?
The great war, the moment universal suffrage became an actual reality.
The catch? Being conscripted.
Women at large didn't want the draft, so they couldn't vote.
Was followed were years of suffragettes rioting, destroying buildings and trying to kill people because it “wasn't fair" that men had the “right" to vote but women didn't.
And that's why women have a right to vote and citizenship but men don't: terrorism!
Also they got the vote just after millions of men were killed in the war, making them the commanding majority of the electorate. They have remained the majority of voters to this day AFAIK.
But equality...they want manly benefits, give them manly responsibility
They want all of the benefits of society, but none of the hardships.
There is no one in government working for men.
The conservative are shit.
The democrats know this won't pass, and will continue their oppressive measures!
Conservatives are working for men, just not in the way you would like.
No they aren't! They just proved it!
Men have no one!
I guess not everyone wants to be an idealized male from the 1950's that holds a Bible in his right hand and some rosary beads in his left.
Senate Democrats have added language to the annual defense authorization bill to require women to register for the draft [...]
Conservatives led by Sen. Roger Wicker (R-Miss.) are certain to attempt to remove the provision
We often hear in this sub that left is anti-male. Well, the right is no less so.
“There shouldn’t be women in the draft. They shouldn’t be forced to serve if they don’t want to,” he said on Fox News. He criticized Democrats for wanting to experiment with the military, saying “normal people are like, ‘Leave our daughters alone.’”
“It’s not like World War II where we need a lot of infantry. We need cyber experts, we need intelligence analysts, linguists, etc. Wait a second, there are a lot of women out there that can do this better than men,” he argued.
This is essentially the mentality that hangs among a lot of women. Choice. That is fundamentally the issue with also most movements. Leaving everything to choice, but never thinking about who is going to do the dirty work. They don't care who does it, as long as they don't do it, but at the same time, judging and treating those who do the dirty work very poorly. You're going to have to reward those people for taking it for the team, but that's also what they don't agree on, because then it becomes a matter of duty. If everyone can cherry pick their role, obviously, nobody is going to do the dirty work.
This is why you can't work with modern women in society, because they're essentially trying to form an elite who want to dictate the rules of society and telling the sort of bourgeoise what to do and simultaneously wanting to talk shit about them and refuse to reward them in name of equality. They're against self-sacrifice, because that means that there is no bodily autonomy, but at the same time, preaching the idea of societal duty. There are too many holes in all the movements. They all preach the same thing: A parasitic social relationship.
This is going to be our downfall.
We need cyber experts, we need intelligence analysts, linguists, etc.
You obtain cyber experts and intelligence analysts through the draft. Selective Service never specified what role you’ll be placed into.
Also, there are more male cyber experts than women, so according to his logic shouldn't women be on the front lines?
Ukraine has shown that a lot of infantry is still needed.
I'm tired of women living life on easy difficulty. Send them to war!
Hot girl summer aka the front lines of WW3!
Equality, give me, give me, give me, until they actually HAVE TO register like a man and realize they're expendable for the governments policies.
"But forcing America’s daughters to register for the draft is UNACCEPTABLE"
So forcing americas sons is acceptable?
Neither is acceptable, imo. We need to stop investing so much money and people into war. It's not worth it. Especially with how they treat our military members. Almost every friend or family member i have that served wad injured physically. Be it actual combat, or (more common) mold/water/exposure issues on horribly built/maintained bases. Now, all those injured veterans (that likely also have PTSD issued as well) struggle to receive proper Healthcare for their ailments and are constantly denied treatment by the government and country they served. THAT is what's unacceptable here.
If you have the OPPORTUNITY to serve in the military, you have the RESPONSIBILITY to sign up for the draft.
Funny how women want all of the rights, but none of the responsibilities that go with them.
Exactly! Their body, their choice, but never their liability.
Aren’t we an equal society? Requiring only men to register is gender discrimination
Republicans say “this is insane”, but the only thing that’s insane is actively fighting to exclude certain people from signing up for the draft.
If the women are able-bodied, they sign up, just like the men.
Okay. Don't draft women, but men should get priliged status in society for this.
In fact, greater expectations and duties are exactly why men held greater privelege in the past. This is essentially the traditionalist viewpoint.
We can't make women do stuff they don't want to. We can try to make them want to, but at the end of the day, all the cajoling, affirmative action, special scholarships, casting women in the roles in media, and of course, shitting on men, has failed to get women into STEM en masse, for example. Because they don't want to.
Culture of dumb girl
I feel no allegiance to this country anymore, so I couldn't care less if it makes our once vaunted military vulnerable. However, anything that puts women in the shoes of men can only do good. Maybe some of these boss b's will be compelled to return to acting like ladies.
There should be the same quotas in this matter as in hiring, where “diversity” refers to hiring predominantly women.
Everyone should have an equal opportunity to participate in a draft. Thankfully I have aged out and work in a field where I would not be drafted. However my nurse practitioner wife is still eligible for the Health Care Personnel Delivery System which is a draft of medical personnel.
I dont see why they shouldnt if we should. They are equal to us after all and have the same rights and are allowed in the military, why shoudnt they get drafted? It would be stupid not to right?
(unless we just want to end the draft stuff...which they probably wont)
this is how you fix this: do NOT require men to sign up.
then, men are equal to women.
duh.
Draft for all or no draft at all.
"Conservatives" and Republicans are not your friend
Politicians are not your friends.
It never was about equality, only privilege.
I think they should sign.
Everyone is a part of the donor class, your either donate your money or your body the government doesn't care which
For the first time I actually agree with Democrats on something. Women want equality and they say they can do what men do then they need to be required to register for SSS.
„Forcing America‘s daughters to draft is UNACCEPTABLE!“
I think I‘ve heard that before, but in regards to the opposite gender🤔
Women should not have the right to vote, if they are not required to serve, as men are. One population should not have the power to vote another population into death and mutilation, especially considering how gleeful women are about the suffering of men. (Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6_klWFzzgw )
You want the right to have a say? You pay the same costs for that right as everyone else or you don't get it. Men were granted universal suffrage because of the draft. We pay the costs for our rights. Women pay nothing. Women only take.
Yes, the left attacks men with feminism and the right does it with chivalry. The right doesn't seem to understand that you can't have chivalry without women giving men something big in return for it and women no longer give anything. When you're respected and privileged, being chivalrous feels generous and magnanimous. When you are a despised 2nd class citizen, who doesn't have equal rights and is constantly insulted and belittled by the state media, being chivalrous feels debasing and servile. It's a humiliation ritual. They are not going to get men to go back to their old obligations without getting women to go back to theirs.
Chivalry is part of the old social contract between men and women. Women tore up that contract. It is null and void.
It’s time for SCOTUS to take this up. They previously ruled on this back in 1981 upholding a male-only draft on the basis that only men served in combat at the time. However all military jobs have been open to women for almost 10 years now. They declined to hear a challenge back in 2019 since congress was actively debating a change to the law which is an initiative which since then fizzled out.
I thought feminists were all about equality
I know it's an equality matter and I'm all for it
But wouldnt be nicer that no one is drafted ?
I’m like, equality is haaard
No no, Not THAT equal
What's wrong? Isn't this the equality they've been fighting for?
Why? I thought we were fighting for equality. So what's the issue?
Unfortunately conservatives are against equality and want to continue discriminating against men and continue violating the constitution. You should consider signing my petition that calls on congress and the senate to either abolish the selective service system or apply it equally to everyone.
Link to the petition: https://chng.it/mtgBd6yn
Democrats don't actually support this, they're doing it to protest having a draft in the first place. If you want this bullshit, you get it for everybody. Oh, suddenly you don't want it anymore? Weird.
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How long will it take Russia to go after America
Russia has no means of going after America in non-nuclear way.
True, but even with a nuclear war they will need people.
Republican Party is a party of stupid sexists who view women as incubators and men as cannon fodder.
No one is saying women need to be on the front lines with a rifle but women easily can be drafted and put in some support roles like delivering parts, medical, janitorial, cooking, cleaning, etc. Now the liberal feminine boys who act like girls yeah put them on the front lines. We need to bring back testosterone back in men quickly
Women should be forced to risk their lives if men are forced to. Also, expecting men to act a certain way is anti-men's rights.
Even if they were they would get all the cushy jobs away from the frontline
14 years in this house without incident. It may be awhile...
Women are allegedly better than men and society caters to them. I’m all in favor of women being sent to the front to defend their system and their way of life.
Interesting
Women are equal to men though. Or so I thought
I'll sit the next war out. They can in my place.
Forcing women into military service weakens the service as a whole while increasing costs to the taxpayer. Seems like a double loss to me.
Sorry to bust your bubble but if you’re gonna choose a political side more aware of mens needs and actually looking out for your needs, it’s gonna be Republican every time. Democrats hate men, especially white men. Now to comment on the actually topic, send em. Let them die in the horrors of war. This is called accountability. You want to be equal with men, that also include the messy jobs.
Maybe we just send them, not us, is an option too. Make it a learning experience for them.
...and how many of them are going to see combat?
What’s a woman?
I actually wouldn't mind a national service requirement for everyone, including women of course, but for more than just military service. For example everyone has the option of either 8 months in the military or 12 months in Americorps. Considering the mental health problems the younger generation is having from spending so much time on their phones and social media, NEETing, etc, getting them out of their heads, into service, working hard, learning discipline, building camaraderie, and giving them a national sense of purpose and unity could actually all be really beneficial for the absolute social and mental health mess we have going on right now in this country.
If they choose Americorps instead of the military they could be doing things like teaching kids, building roads and other infrastructure, fighting fires during fire season, maintaining national parks, and other things beneficial to the country that don't involve the military.
If on the other hand they choose the military they get these benefits too but get out 4 months sooner.
As someone in the military, and has survived 2 wars, 3 deployments, I do not want a woman on the left or right of me. They’re not even useful in the roles they currently hold.
Only Mothers should be exempt from conscription. The rest ? Welcome to the real world.
Funnily enough, I heard from someone in the military, that everytime women get notified about being drafted, all of them suddenly have positive pregnancy tests.
This is just political postering. When Dems held control of house/senate, the squad and members of that cloth killed it. Now that GOP holds house and they know nothing will be done during the LAME DUCK time, they are acting like they believe in "equality" voting for adding amendments to win votes. DO NOT BE FOOLED. Everything passed in house/senate from here on out is all political gamesmanship since they know 90% of pop don't follow the news regularly.
Men are indisputably better soldiers than women. There is an argument for only men being signed up for the draft... but if men are to have this disadvantage, they should also get extra privilege to match.
Biologicaly speaking, one men can pregnant many woman, so if you think about prevail the male population in long term may be you need more wombs than penises ... Its just biology, war doesnt
Ps: in long term you will need to a good diversity of semen, so, may be families will need to preserve some quantity of their genetic material meanwhile mans are at war
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If men have to sign-up for Selective Service, so should women.