EDIT: Thanks for the all the great (and informative) responses!
Which album would you recommend for an existing jazz fan who wants to be turned off by the genre?
I rarely find comedy albums that funny, but the first time I heard this I was on the floor
I think it’s the fact that the rest of the band is so tight that you sometimes forget that there’s a piano waiting in the bush to strike.
Also the line at 1:46 when the piano perfectly catches what the sax is doing made my week when I first heard it
Same here!
“It's a real insult to people who try.”
I've never heard of this, but it caused spontaneous laughter. Thanks for sharing!
Iirc he really was just like "I want to do a jazz album" one day and didn't let his inability to play any instrument get in the way. Kind of the most jazz thing you can do really.
It reminds me of Ed Wood; he loved movies so much, he didn't let his lack of talent stop him!
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A Hate Supreme
Bitches Barf
Afterbirth of the Cool
Dead at the Village Vanguard - Various Artists
First Circlejerk
The Road to Your Mom's House
I can see your mom from here
Nefershitty
Sketches of Pain
Stillbirth of the Cool
Miles Behind
Kind of Blows
Song for Your Mama
Miles Frowns
Not to be confused with “An Evil Supreme”
r/jazzcirclejerk will help you out. Personally I’d consider calling any corporation with a long wait time and listening to what they play as hold music for over an hour.
Space Jazz by L. Ron Hubbard.
It's not even that it's a bad album. In fact, I even think it's pretty good.
The problem is that it is good enough you'll think to yourself: "if the guy who wrote Battlefield Earth can write jazz this good, maybe jazz wasn't very good to begin with."
Part of the L.Ron myth is that he was a polymath. There are books of his photography etc. his example is used to convince the faithful that his teachings can help them excel at whatever their chosen field is, because he already did it. I’d be very curious if any of what is attributed to him was actually him or if he just “Stan Lee’d” everything.
David Shapiro (Ben’s dad) on The Girl From Ipanema
https://youtu.be/BLH1X2Wp94c?feature=shared
I don’t think I’d use the J word on this cause its pretty clear he just thought swinging was easy and he hit record, but fuck is it hard to get through
Because we're talking about Ben Shapiro it took me a second to figure out which J word you meant
Oh shit I gotta be more careful
Lol the comments are gold
Edit: oh god I stopped it and it's still happening in my brain, will I recover
Eventually, you’ll have to treat it with bop for a few weeks, somebody get this guy the un-digitized compilations of Lester Young and Bird live through the forties
Tom Jobim got owned in this argument.
why would he choose a tempo clearly faster than he's capable of playing lol. considering he's following the changes well enough, you'd think he'd at least be aware that playing at speeds you aren't capable of sounds like shit. not that playing slower would fix his lack of...everything else.
i was literally just listening to a Brazillian trio with Hermeto Pascoal on keys, so this is especially painful for me.
Ah, yes. The famous musicologist who taught Ben that rap isn’t music.
I kinda like this version, reminds me of the punk jazz by Betty Carter. The Audience with Betty Carter is the album.
I should go back and give it a listen, but as a kid I couldn’t stand Lawrence Welk, as I’ve gotten older I appreciate big band much more (i.e. Basie, Ellington)
My detested things
Impossible. You just say “not my kind of jazz”
Anything by Spyro Gyra will do.
Unpopular: Spyro Gyra slaps. Especially live
I saw them live in the early 80s. Maybe they've had time to improve.
I saw them last summer. They were tight and exciting. Beckenstein even ripped licks on a soprano and alto at the same time!
Zero Tolerance for Silence by Pat Metheny
Why this one? It's exactly like the title advertises. (And on a serious note, Metheny also did a 3 cd record with Derek Bailey which channels that Zero Tolerance vocabulary, it's called the Sign of 4 and features Paul Wertico—who is really experimental in his own trios, and Greg Bendian)
John Zorn - The Classic Guide to Strategy
I hate bitches brew, it's unlistenable.
Man I love it :0 different tastes haha
You gotta listen to it with your 3rd ear.
People ask the strangest questions in this sub lol. I guess since jazz is cerebral it must attract people who have a tendency to overthink
Peter Brotzmann - Machine Gun
Kaoru Abe
What's the motivation of this question ?
jazz is a mistake and we need to convince people to stay away from it as much as possible
I imagine the question in the other thread “What albums would you recommend to get someone to love jazz?” sparked a curiosity about what would do the opposite. It’s okay to be curious, even about silly things.
Depending who, but show someone who can’t take absurdist comedy the Eric Andre Show
Whenever my brain gets fixated on buying a nylon string guitar, I listen to Charlie Byrd. I wonder if his god awful sound might work more generally for what you're trying to do here too
Kamaal Williams - Wu hen
Song X by Metheny and Ornette. What a painful listen.
Miles Davis "Isle of Wight" LIVE. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEI8O_wnA6c
There are some things that could ruin jazz for a person.
Barry manilow or whatever his name is has these really ambitious absolute pieces of trash that made me cringe to hear when I had to play one for a wedding.
Kenny G is also noted as the worst example of jazz by a lot of people.
There are some Brubeck tracks that are so unbelievably bad and annoying I can't even listen for long enough to tell you what the track names are but you'll hear it pretty quickly if you just listen for jarring horrible bullshit.
Kenny G is also noted as the worst example of jazz by a lot of people.
At this point it's overkilled. Kenny G is so overrated that he's underrated. A lot of people who haven't even listened to him think after the Pat Methany affair that Kenny G doesn't even know how a saxophone works.
The truth is that Kenny G is much better than a lot of people give him credit for.
Is he a top 100 saxophonist? No - but people make him out like he's the fucking devil lmao he's just a smooth jazz guy with a jewfro.
... On the other hand, I've heard from several people who've interacted with Pat Methany that say he's a total c*nt, for what it's worth.
Big time, the first time I heard him was after reading about the 'stupid music' thing and it was genuinely surprising to hear good tone and melodic lines that were better than someone just transcribing nursery rhymes.
Pat is a hero of mine and while my love of his music is only growing as I age, the older I get the more I can't help but think that his tirade in that interview was a bit silly and unnecessary. I probably wouldn't have listened to Kenny G either way as a teenager, but I do feel like I gave him undue amounts of disrespect simply from following Pat
I've seen pat live a bunch of times and even if he eats babies in his spare time the music was fucking amazing. Can't say that I've ever felt anything but annoyance listening to kenners.
Your defense of him just made him overrated again. Fuck Kenny G
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks this about Brubeck, I’ve always thought that other than a couple of really good tunes, he’s not worth listening to
This tune has absolutely no redeeming qualities
https://youtu.be/vKNZqM0d-xo?si=vbCMkFc-XyKXzynB
It's garbage with no soul
Are you for real? I cant tell if you are jerking around or are you serious. This is a classic! Whole album is a masterpiece
Yes. I'm 100% serious and I'm far from the only one who hates Brubeck.
7:45 for the Brubeck diss https://youtu.be/uc9yodZ29UE?si=XexI-tFrj9c4Mb6f
I mean you can hate brubeck all you want, but to say this album has no soul is just plain wrong. It is very influential and if not for that album jazz would sound different ( maybe not whole jazz but some of it definitely). We wouldnt have that much odd meters and polyrhythms thats for sure
I don't actually care about any of that
Sounds like waking up late for work to me.
It has a very clear sense of urgency about it, though
So does a car horn. It's not listenable though.
Ok you’re actually just trolling
7:45 for the Brubeck diss https://youtu.be/uc9yodZ29UE?si=XexI-tFrj9c4Mb6f 100% not trolling. It's shit.
Cecil Taylor
Unit Structures is genuinely one of my faves but I'm a freak
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1mo
worst take i've ever heard Endangered Species is a masterpiece
Kristalnacht by Zorn
John Coltrane - Ascension
It's a pretty challenging listen if I recall.
Only listened twice. Second time was out of spite because I bought the CD.
First or second take?
Yea this whole late period Coltrane is what I came to recommend. It’s kind of growing on me, but I wouldn’t say I enjoy it. like I got to the end of Om or Meditations and had to listen again but it was less for pleasure or enjoyment and more of analytical “what is going on” second listening.
70’s jazz sucks ass. I’ll die on that hill.
Coltrane, Om. I like free jazz, but that album is just goddamn awful
Naked City - John Zorn
Hey, I actually like about half the songs on that album
Haha no disrespect! I should love that album but for some reason it just doesn't work for me at all
I hear you. I just really like the clear influence of Carl Stalling.
Time Out
Charlie Haden Liberation Music Orchestra
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1mo
Anything by Ornette Coleman
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1mo
head hunters is a fun album
Literally the record that set the hook for me
H. Jon Benjamin Jazz Daredevil.
“I can’t play piano” https://youtu.be/DTQEVXLAfc4?si=CtD8GKG5BhYYSZg_