A very high number of 1,5+ KDA players in 3-Star Matches, having 3-star MMR - how?

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For weeks, but especially after the end of this event, the number of really capable players in 3-star seems incredibly high. I dont begrudge anyone the skill to headshot me with open sights on their FMJ Dolch at 80m+, but these players shouldnt be able to stay at 3-Star, which is the ENTRY LEVEL rank for new players.

This matchmaking is creating an extremely hostile, frustrating and unfun environment, and while I ve been around long enough to accept that this can happen, my new recruits had such a bad first few days, they contemplate going back to Helldivers already. This cant be intended, or is Hunt just catering to the established old fanbase? There needs to be matchmaking based on time played or something.

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SvennEthir

16d

1.5 KDA 3 Star here. I bounce from 3 to 4 stars somewhat regularly depending on how well I'm doing. I was a 0.5 when I first started that slowly crept up to 1.0 then 1.5 over 1500 hours.

The thing is that KDA and MMR are only vaguely related. First of all, assists are in there. I don't think MMR is affected by assists. Second, every kill is not equal. A 3 star killing a 2 star barely gains any points but a 3 star killing a 6 star would get a ton. Even within a bracket it's not even. Someone at the top of 3 star is getting less points for killing someone that's a low 3 star.

For example, you could get 4 kills and 3 assists and then die twice in a match and lose more MMR than you gained because the kills and deaths were against lower ranked players. KDA goes up, MMR goes down. This is normal.

I believe that it's personal MMR that matters for gains/loses and not team MMR (though not 100% on that). That means anyone playing with a negative team MMR modifier (solo, queuing with randoms, or just playing with lower ranked friends) will likely get matched up more with lower ranked players meaning kills are worth less and deaths are worth more.

Add on to this that winning/losing streaks can cause a bunch of gain/loss. Someone with 1.5 KDA on a losing streaks probably lost a bunch of MMR. A good winning streak might get them back up into 5 star.

tldr; KDA and MMR are separate metrics that shouldn't really be compared.

StaticS1gnal

16d

Piggybacking on this, one important highlight here:

Solos and duos in trios means that by default, the individual player MMR is balanced with the teammate shortage in mind, and the smaller teams (duos in trios, or solos in either) will be by default matched against trios that are lower MMR, and are much more likely to run into those scenarios where their kills don't boost their MMR as much as the deaths drop their MMR, and a positive KDR may still result in a negative change to MMR.

Personal opinion (as a P100 3k HR player that does both solo runs and trios with my buddies): the MMR adjustment for a team being shorthanded has always been maybe just a bit too much.... BEFORE solo self-necro was a thing. I felt like I was making it out alive and often with Bounty slightly easier than I probably should have. Now with solo necro, it gives solos an extra chance to come back, or an easy way for solos to tank their MMR should they want to game the system. Even if you have three hot games in a row with no deaths and multiple kills, if you go in with 5 health chunks and eat it to someone that's a star level below you (or two), you can get yourself killed 5x within a minute and (either by intent or just very bad gameplay/high greed) get yourself back to where you started MMR-wise.

I personally try to reserve that self-revive only for when I think I can get away with it (or if I want to kamekaze punish someone trapping me by rezzing when we're both in that freshly laid trap), but still I feel like I get paired with newer or lower MMR players a bit too often, and I know I've encountered solos that want to farm down their MMR so they can keep punching down, even asking other solos they've teamed with to kill them a few times to 'balance' it out.

I think the MMR adjustment system maybe needs a bit of a rebalanced with the changes that have boosted solo's abilities (solo necro, magpie being two big ones).

taklinn1

15d

Even worse, because of the MMR disparity, I have dropped from a really solid 5 to 4 with a 4 kill, 1 death game. MMR definitely needs a revision at Cryteks earliest convenience. Admittedly, It does seem they have their hands full between the engine upgrade and trying to maintain content in the interim.