Most of the people on YouTube that watch the show are puppets that have the IQ of a rattle. So can someone please explain to me, in plain fucking English, what most of you don’t like about Michelle? I don’t understand why she’s so divisive? Milly said whenever she talks she sounds “mean” like are you fucking kidding me? I always liked Michelle.
I’ve heard her called pretentious at one point and I don’t see it, I see confidence that might be misinterpreted as cockiness but not pretentiousness.
Her and Nick were in s14 (13?) together too, and while they had their moments, they seemed to bond really well near the end which I think is why it was so easy for them to get along in s17. I definitely think a lot of it had to do with her age - feeling threatened by someone younger outshining you
Yeah Nick and Michelle were friends, I liked both of them, Nick got too bitchy and needed to settle down at points but I liked his personality.
Honestly I loved Nick lol both of his seasons, he was my favourite. The sass was unmatched😂
Nick was one hell of a character lol
"yeah well guess what? You're still on their team. Boop! Boop! Boop! Boop!"
His sass in his voice and that walk off was just hilarious.
I DID THE HAND FOR EVERY BOOP😂
Agree. He was a better person the 2nd time around. He was a bitchy and arrogant little man the 1st time.
How was she a bitch tho? Also Nick is successful today so 3rd place for him in S17 actually was beneficial, see…that’s what I’m talking about, people are fucking stupid if that’s the reason Michelle is so divisive and the reason why I primarily enjoy watching the show alone
I think your finding a small minority of people who actually care enough to voice their opinion but I mean I think the most valid reason is she got a good job at a really young age who doesn’t want that
Just going to address the second statement.
To say that 3rd place was beneficial for nick almost implies that 2nd place and 1st place would not be as beneficial. I assume Nick would much rather have been successful with 250000 (and the job), than successful without.
You could argue that Michelle would be more dependant on winning HK than Nick for future success, but that is not a reason to choose a winner (almost is a negative factor)
For the record, I do think Michelle is among the least deserving winners the show has. I do not think she is a bitch. If you enjoy the diviseness she causes, I hope I amused you.
I just mean general bitchiness that you get from any reality tv contestant that's about it
Rabid fans and anti-fans know no logic.
I hate the production staff for that. The fuckers changed the rules of the show just to keep Nick out of the finale
I don't really like or dislike her as a chef. I hate what she represented.
I think a lot of people struggle with that distinction. They associate that with her rather than the people who made the decision.
She doesn't even pop up on my radar of hateble chefs in the kitchen. Way too many other, more actively shitty people to waste hate in her. Even in S17, when that happened.
Hell, I thought she, like Benjamin and Nick, was better in S17 than in her original season. The things that annoyed me about all of them were either gone or filed down to better levels
Also, while I was never a big fan of her attitude, seeing her tell off Elise in S17 will forever keep her off the hated list for me. That's the kind of dopamine hit that I got seeing the awesome togetherness of the S9 blue team or just all of Rochelle in S12.
Just wondering, how did the producers change the rules of the show to keep Nick out?
Even in the original airing on Tv I didn’t really care for this season so I’m unaware of a lot of the backstories….
One of the main rules at the time was that Ramsey would pick the final 2 and then the owner/manager of the prize restaurant would pick someone to win first pick for their final service. The final 2 are supposed to be the best out of the entire season overall.
S17 was the very first time they had someone who had no idea about anything during the season pick the final 2. They got some dude who picked based on his personal preferences of a single dish, which was not established beforehand mind you, and then they chose the final 2.
So even though during the entire season Nick dominated, showed insane leadership and cooking ability and a knack for working in groups, he was passed over based on a single dish.
This would be like if Meghan from S14 hadn't made it to the finale because some dude showed up in the final 3 and, even though her dish was great mind you, it wasn't to the taste of this dude and so she got knocked out.
Nick should have won. It was clear basically from the word go that he should have won. The question wasn't if he would win but who would lose to him in the finale. Then some dude shows up and fucks it up. And Michelle wins a season not everyone is even sure she should have been in the finale of let alone win.
She is a victim of the bullshit three way finale. People took the frustration on Michelle because they think Nick was robbed.
People are just salty she won S17. And I understand the frustration with the introduction of the F3 challenge, but aside from that, I don’t see where people perceive the season to be rigged for her. There were always worse performers on her team. It’s more satisfying when a winner is dominant, but that’s not always how it plays out.
Michelle's a real Cinderella story: youngest person on her season, makes it to black jackets, barely makes it to finals. Comes back a few seasons later, has to survive the most chaotic red team in history without getting to switch teams like Robyn did, makes it to black, is the last girl standing, wins the whole thing. Normally that'd be an underdog story, how are people saying it was rigged?
I don’t think it’s rigged but I would argue Ramsay decides if he doesn’t like someone off the bat Raj is a good example Also sometimes it seems like he makes that specific chef do table side or tickets or host during dinner services and really it’s his show his reward so I can see why
Imo Michelle has a really good underdog story on paper, and I really liked her in S14, but in S17 she was one of many toxic personalities on the red team and it was very difficult to root for her. I'd go as far as to say she's in the league with Ariel M. and Michael as being one of the few cases of a "villain" winning HK. She's talented and I'll defend her making black jackets both times, but imo Jennifer was the strongest on the red team and Nick was the strongest in general that season (not that it's Michelle's fault that they were eliminated, but I was really not rooting for her.) I'd probably be equally dissatisfied if Dana, Elise, or Barbie won
S17’s very much more rigged for TV than to just get a particular winner. While at least 50% of the eliminations are questionable at best, I’d say the Nick elimination was the only one that directly benefitted her.
Probably rabid Elise fans
Wait there are actually Elise fans?
She got tons of fans on twitter.
They’re all her.
Lmao
I disagree, I really don't like straight up dominance, I like seeing that people are on a level playing field even of it is 1v1
Be aware that what we see on YouTube is not what happened irl there. I too don't get the Hate honestly. She was great in both season. I'm more shocked that no one even said Nothing when T started to mimic her like she was a fucking dog. Like, Hello?!
I had such vicarious rage at that annoying shit. Michelle handled it without being a doormat, good on her. I think she's talented and likable!
No one was listening to her and they were essentially ignoring her so what? Did they expect her to shut up and take it? She knows how to cook, she’s creative and she can work on a line, the others around her might’ve had 1 or 2 of those qualities so I just see it as jealously or an inferiority complex.
That’s weird. This is a surprise to me; she’s actually one of my favorite. In both her seasons. She always did really well in competitions, seemed really nice and professional towards others. There were a few moments in her first season where she seemed a little immature (the prom setup or whatever that was) but I don’t know how that could generate hate.
To be honest she was a delight compared to how toxic and frustrating a lot of the contestants can be. I’m glad she did well in both.
I don’t hate her per se but IMO she was very unlikeable in the all star season. She sabotaged her team multiple times and contrast to the other contestants, she was really good but not really the best. I think this contributes a bit to the hate.
People are also hating on her because of the 3 way judging thing and eventually winning but that’s not really her fault if production/Ramsey wanted her to win.
Some people think S17 was rigged for her and are mad she won, which is silly. I don't think Gordon would stand for rigging a season, and her being picked is entirely out of her control. She's a fine winner and I'm sure she's a nice person.
People have rose colored glasses on Ben’s performance in the finale. I literally watched that episode yesterday and he could not run his team. He was way too forgiving and coddling of them, especially Robyn in meat. The she fucked up so bad that Ramsay threw her out of service and Ben ended up letting her back in.
Michelle had to deal with Elise but she (Michelle) literally ignored any bitchy attitudes. Michelle took the high road there and did not allow Elise to ruin that service for her.
Yeah, Michelle was never going to lose at that point.
Fully agreed, Michelle absolutely beat Benjamin fair and square, she was a much better leader than he was.
I think you answered the question in your first sentence. YouTube commenters are either stupid, kids, or stupid kids.
She’s controversial in All Stars for which I think is dumb. I dislike that she won all stars, but I don’t hate her personally for winning all stars. But in every show, if someone is thought to be an undeserving winner, they will get a lot of personal hate. It happens all the time in Survivor. Just a bunch of stupid assholes acting like stupid assholes
Well it was either Michelle(whom I wanted to see win in all honesty) or that pretentious, condescending, shit eating, wannabe French boy shit stain prick Benjamin from season 7 that was going to win S17 and I fucking hated that prick like poison.
Easy choice for me to root for Michelle
Benjamin was no where near as bad as in S7, and I’d argue Michelle was a little (albeit a small margin) worse than in S14. She gets a lot of complaints about “throwing people under the bus”, but it was really 2 incidents - Manda’s pasta, and honestly Barbie’s garnish on the charity night. However, that’s 2 incidents as opposed to everyone in YT and Reddit acting like it was all season.
i feel like the only reason ben wasn't as much of a dick in S17 is because we don't see him as much as in 7 (might be misremembering tho, not watched those seasons in a while)
I just rewatched it yesterday lol, but yes I agree. He isn’t shown as much. However, with all of the wild personalities on that season, I’d say that shows a lot of character growth because some of those characters didn’t learn a thing from their original seasons.
He was the only contestant brought back from Season 7 - not just cause he was talented, but because he created a whole lot of drama on his season.
I think it’s probable the producers were disappointed with his return because he wasn’t the same drama queen that egotistically bragged he was better than everyone. He behaved exponentially better, which is why he didn’t get much screen time cause he didn’t cause much trouble. To the point where he lost because he was way too nice in his service and was unable to be a good leader. I think he deserved top 3 definitely. And possibly a win, if he was a better leader. He won the most challenges of everyone and was consistently strong all season, neck and neck with Nick. But he had a “boring” personality.
Love her! She's great!
I don't think she's a bad person or anything, and she's probably grown up a lot since her time on the show, but I was always kind of annoyed by her in her original season. She seemed to think that everyone underestimated her because of her age and I can totally empathize with T's annoyance with her. Then, of course, season 17 was completely built around her winning, but that's not her fault.
She also had a habit of making a mistake that bothered another contestant, then trying really hard to chase after them and explain “I was just” and “I was trying to” over and over until they got even angrier and it blew up. I think it was just an immature need to be liked, and I’m sure she’s long grown out of it now, but I can see how that would be annoying
But they did under-estimate her because of her age, Red Team lost a challenge because they picked T's dish over hers without even tasting it. At least she got a chocolate milkshake out of it.
And GR told her to assert herself.
Which she did
And T couldn't handle it
And apart from T the other person with a big problem with her was Josh, and that's not a club you want to be in...
I don’t think S17 was built around her winning. I think she just got lucky that other contestants fucked up worst that she did when actually made mistakes. Also, I don’t know why Nick wasn’t a part of the final two, but rewatching that finale, Ben had a terrible showing and couldn’t control his problem child (Robyn), but Michelle handled hers (Elise).
Its purely because Season 17 (All Stars) seemed/seems to be completely rigged for her to win it. She was saved at times where she shouldn't have been, she was nowhere near the best chef on the Season (Nick was), AND she got away with some of the most blatant sabotage that HK has ever seen (Example: Ignoring the chef on charity night to do your own thing).
She probably a nice person, loves her nan, kisses babies, whatever. But she is the winner of a rigged Season, and that is gonna bring hate her way. Blame her or Ramsay.
I wouldn’t consider that being rigged the show doesn’t really present itself to for the best cook more like the cook Gordon likes most It’s his show after all makes sense he gets the final say
That being said he definitely picks favourites and there are some moments that make no sense without the context of Gordon hating or liking that person
Think about Jen from season 3 during the sabatoge Gordon shouts “ what the Frick are you doing “ like it’s your sabatoge dude or what about throwing pasta and recooking it easily an evictavle moment yet she makes it right to the end
Idk about Nick being better , but I think Michelle got an absurd favoritism treatment during the pasta challenge with "asian tortellinis" bullshit.
And no that pasta was just Michelle being inattentive, and Manda should have known how to cook pasta without tasting since she is a professional unlike us peons.
I disagree that Nick was best that year, but she certainly wasn’t either. She was low end elimination at Black Jacket quality that got elevated. Plus her attitude sucked.
That’s really interesting actually. Usually this debate always comes down to Nick and Michelle. I’m curious who you would say was the best. Benjamin? I think he always gets overlooked in these arguments. Or someone else?
Benjamin.
Who was?
I don’t understand it either. I loved her in S14, and the only thing I disliked about 17 was when she screwed Manda on the pasta.
I think a lot of people think Nick should’ve won (me included), and that made them hate her because in their eyes she benefited from BS.
What sucks is that Nick probably would’ve won any other season except for the 2 he was actually on.
My problem with Michelle in S17 was that she almost intentionally seemed to either sabotage or didn’t work well with most of her team. During several dinner services when she was doing courses for others she made many mistakes and was fairly inconsistent, (even though the entire season was a mess). Specifically Barbie’s service where Michelle refused to do what she was directed to do even though she wasn’t in charge. There were a lot of small moments throughout the season when you look back in hindsight in seemed Michelle just didn’t perform. I don’t think she should’ve won all-stars, but she does have a lot of innate talent.
People say it was rigged for her to win. I absolutely love her. In my top 3 favorite winners for sure. She kills it
I think she’s talented and pretty adorable. I like the way she bounces when she’s happy..boing boing boing!
It’s a highly edited show where everyone is under scrutiny. There’s your answer
I just personally didn't like her on either season she was in. But apparently I have bad taste because I also don't like Mary Lou that much and she's a fan favorite 🤷♀️
Favored by the show in all stars, and she generally was pretty boring confessional-wise
I didn't like her in S14
She started out nice but as the season went on, you saw that she wasn't as much a team player as most others, Remember the black jacket challenge? They were fucking up beyond, the beyond, the beyond
Instead of being thankful, she (well, almost the entire red team) acted in a dick move "I don't need your help"
Lady, Gordon Ramsey said you did, the entire Audience sees it
The only thing from S17 I disliked her for was the tasting of the pasta
She was awesome. She is a leader
Michelle was bitchy in her own way. No one recognized she demanded others to be quiet; while she constantly talked. I liked her; but her mouth was annoying. Elise was just REAL; How many people say that they are NOT gonna take no mess and truly ACT on it. She called people out for phoniness. I think in the end; Elise self-sabotaged herself but calls constant attention to herself as a villain. In reality, she truly made Hell's Kitchen even more interesting to watch. You see Elise now from afar; she is humble.
She won a bs season with a lot of bs eliminations
And ppl feel she didn’t deserve to win
She didn’t stand out in challenges service or as a leader
That final 3 felt like a way to keep her when she was outperformed by the other 2
Pointless to hate her tho I personally just hate that season because it felt rigged asl
I used to like her but if you watch closely she's a little snake. Always saying little toxic things escalating the situation. Always talked back to ramsay but got away with it. Then she plays innocent when she gets caught. I can't stand her.
She’s an annoying know it all
She's an annoying know it all, I count that on both seasons
I think it’s mostly because she was pretty mid for most of the competition and never did much to stand out. It’s like, “wow, that girl won?”
I loved her shrug and her friendship with Nick.
For season 14, she was mainly disliked because she was so young and was able to hold her own, and spoke her mind. People took it as that she spoke as if she was better than those around her but that’s been when her dish was proven to be the best and on the menu; and she’s not one to back down from an argument even during dinner service in front of customers. For All Stars, we’ve seen her suck at a station when she’s supposedly helping others so it comes off as sabotage. Even the editors play how she said she wasn’t going to help Barbie on charity night when Michelle claims she never said that. She seemed to stir the pot while trying to claim to not want to argue or cause drama.
One of the biggest letdowns I had with the show is when Nick got robbed. Whenever I see her I get mad it's not personal I think she sounds like a nice person but season 17 ruined her for me beyond repair
Misogyny and ageism.
I don't hate her but she's not fav because her voice is kinda whiney and unpleasant to my ears. I think she just needed to age and mature a bit too. She'll probably be fine on the new seasons, IF the other chefs can take her seriously.
I love michelle! She is so clearly talented. People just haters
Haven't seen this season yet, but I love the Deathly Hallows tattoo.
Yeah same
I don’t understand it honestly. Chef Gordon makes the decision at the end of the day and we have to respect that. It’s his show. A win is a win
I really like Michelle and think she’s one of the most unjustly hated contestants. She was a stand out on her own season in what ended up as one of the strongest final two with Meghan and T and a solid black jacket group. It’s not that much of a surprise she ended up winning all stars. Yes, Nick might have deserved it but that’s not Michelle’s fault he was done over.
Like, really though, what were people expecting Michelle to do when Nick was eliminated? Oh sorry I don’t agree with that, I’ll forfeit and give him my space…
I disliked her and Nick in s14. They just seemed very bitchy and highschool vibes. What really bugged me was when she kept trying to help people, but they had their own way of doing things. Then she kept on and on about it. That would irk anyone.
I actually don’t mind Michelle on S17. I don’t care for her but she’s likable and she matured a lot since S14. Yeah, she’s snakey but it’s a competition. However, I cannot stand Michelle during S14. She acts like such a brat and behaves like a child. She’s entitled, she’s rude, and she doesn’t know how to communicate to someone without being condescending or nasty. Meghan even said, “It’s the way you [Michelle] say it.” She’s like a smarter/craftier version of Sabrina from S8. That’s the best way to describe her.
They made Michelle win s17 to stick it to Elise and give us the hero defeated the villain ending but people were not feeling it 😂 (jk)
She did kinda do Amanda wrong but, honestly, I think it was mostly resentment that someone so young and with less experience was doing so well.
probably because her win in S17 was kinda controversial for some reason, and maybe she also sabotaged manda by telling her that her pasta was ready even tho its not..?
Most people think that season 17 was rigged therefore they don’t really like Michelle. some people thought that Gordon made some bad decisions in this season
I dislike that she took advantage of Manda's Celiac Disease and sabotaged her twice, that to me is a really dick move. Other than that, she's fine, I guess.
I don’t care for Manda…she had an attitude and thought she was hot shit, she couldn’t cook for shit
Michelle is the most unlikable winner of all time. I despised her.
Mainly cause of her rigged Season 17 run, granted it’s not her fault that the show was favoriting her , when she had a multitude of mistakes, getting saved on many occasions and of course the Final 3 twist.
I personally like Michelle in S14, she was pretty decent, but I can’t get behind her All Star run
(I’m aware I’m gonna get downvoted cause she is very much polarized)
People bitching that it’s rigged it’s rigged it’s rigged…the show has been on for 2 decades and season 17 is the ONLY time I’ve seen so many people complain about how it was staged or fixed.
Morons…it’s a fucking show…🤦♂️
Take a deep breath buddy
I just watched the season she was on when she was 22. If you don’t notice that she acted like a spoiled brat then I don’t know what to tell you. Ugggghhhh out of her mouth all the time when she was in the kitchen. Just a big baby and was probably a spoiled kid growing up.
But my second wife was like that when I met her and she grew up to be a phenomenal human being. I didn’t follow Michelle’s later years so no comment there. Just her first season on HK she was yuck.
I never had a problem with Michelle and was happy she won.
Because she's dislikable in S17 and unfairly won over Nick. That's it.
she isn't ... that's the reason for most people i think
Love her and Nick’s friendship and I really think she deserve the win!
Elise burner accounts, of course.
I just thought she was just as immature as Elise that’s all. I wouldn’t go to hk to argue just cook and ignore her. She also seems to micromanage but that was way back in the first season so o doubt she does that much or now.
This is the funniest possible outcome
I never had a problem with her.
When I think of Michelle, I remember a rant someone I knew went on about their younger boss: they had a problem with someone younger than them excelling quicker, easier than they did. Not ‘paying their dues’ or ‘earning their place’. They could not respect this person because they had done the job for 5 more years, and felt they ‘deserved’ the position more. It’s an age based entitlement that creates a bias Against successful young people.
I, personally, love Michelle and she will always be my hero. I was a manager at 17 years old because people assumed I was in college, not HS. I worked my butt off to get where I am now 10+ years faster than others in my industry. She was my inspiration that I could do Anything and age shouldn’t stop me.
I get that some people view it that way, that it's due to her age. I don't care about her age personally, I found her to be manipulative and a bit underhanded. I feel like she never took the blame for things that were her fault, but at the same time, threw others right under the bus for any mistake.
I never liked Michelle in S14. I just find her incredibly annoying. I found her sucking up to the high school team to be especially cringy. I know she's the youngest but it feels so heavily like she's clinging onto her last vestiges of that teenage immaturity and I do not like watching that.
Also she was tight with Nick, who was really bitchy and dislikeable in S14. The association was just not pleasant.
Mind you, I'm speaking entirely from an S14 perspective. This has nothing to do with her S17 win, deserved or undeserved.
Not sure, but The Deathly Hallows tattoo gives her a good rap in my book
She was totally hot. The only beef she had with was with Barbie and Elise who were jealous of her because she was a better cook than those two clowns
I don't get it either.
Edit: Lol hi Michelle haters.
I like seeing the most deserving person win and that didn’t happen. She wasn’t even as good as Benjamin, much less Nick. Considering all the other BS eliminations and the very obvious baiting for personal drama over competition it’s not far fetched to suggest that Chef Ramsey knew he wanted her to be the winner from the beginning of the season and Nick’s performance was basically discarded and made irrelevant because of that. The whole season was set up for maximum drama/ interpersonal conflicts and for Michelle to win.
I agree Nick deserved the win over her or Benjamin, but why do you hate Michelle because Gordon/the show chose her?
Same with the rigging comment. I don't necessarily agree it was rigged for her specifically to win, but even if it was, why blame her for that?
To be honest I didn’t really read the entire question. I don’t understand the personal attacks against her and I’ve never partaken in online harassment or personal attacks against her. My whole issue is just with the outcome of the season and that she won. Never blamed her for that decision. I really don’t have much opinion on her personally either way. She’s fine. Don’t dislike her but don’t particularly care that much for her in either season either. All-Stars was such a depressing and frustrating season so a Nick win would have at least salvaged it at the end but Michelle winning just ended a horrible season on a sour note. I can be disappointed with her victory without making it a personal attack on her.
Only hate I have is that she isn't where I live and I can't rizz her up
I don't hate Michelle but she is one of the Weakest winners ever. She should've been booted over Dana at the f8.
Elise should've been booted over Dana. Michelle was one of the top three Red Team chefs that season, the other two being Jennifer and Dana.
Better than Nona though
And Ariel Malone
Not against your opinion but Michelle didn’t really have a bad night at the final 8 though. Dana was the only person who had a terrible night on the red team unfortunately. She did poorly in the reward challenge too. It was clearly obvious that she would get the boot. Ramsay should’ve done what he did with Frank(S13) & Sterling(S13) to Dana since she was the worst performer that night. Just eliminate her without holding any elimination ceremony.
Wow I'm being bashed by Michelle stans. Sorry that my opinions hurt you.
I think a few people dislike her for the stupidest reason which is which was absolutely out of her control. Other than that maybe her telling Manda her pasta was ready when it wasn't? Or the fact that she was a little bitchy on her seasons but honestly she's one of the youngest chefs on the show pre-young guns so she wasn't exactly going to have the same maturity level as older chefs. Even still, not exactly the most valid reason to hate someone. Honestly, I don't see much of anything worthy of genuine hatred.