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Florida Sheriff Says 'We Prefer' Homeowners Shoot Home Invaders
NewsI mean, this is the logic you gotta default to.
Some people love to trot out the "oh they don't want to hurt you, they just wanted your stuff" nonsense.
Screw that.
The way I see it, someone breaks in while you are home, there are two logical explanations:
A - They knew you were home, and they broke in anyways. They were ok with that. Meaning, they came in willing/planning to have a confrontation.
B - They DIDN'T expect you to be home. But... oh crap, here you are. Meaning, it doesn't matter what they wanted to do. Their plan's gone wrong, and now there is an intruder in your house going off script in panic reaction mode. See: Botched burglary
Here's another perspective as well. Your stuff is paid for by money. You get money by exchanging your time, your life, the time you spend away from loved ones for currency. The people that steal your stuff literally take away however much time from you that it would take, in currency, to replace the object.
They're coming for your stuff, but they're stealing your life, in bits and pieces.
There's also the perspective of people that break into houses do so with the known risk they'll be shot at and therefore they value others' stuff more than their own life.
I like your perspective as well.
Jokes on him, my shit ain’t worth crap
My stuff is worth more than anyone who wants to steal it
It's the principle.
He doesn't know that until he breaks in then he is pissed and wants to take it out on someone. Better yet, even if it is worth something he wants to enjoy himself by hurting you and or your family. He has NOOOOO business in your home, shoot his ASS.
Neither is a burglars life
I gave my life for my stuff by working too damn much. If somebody wants it they gotta give me theirs
Can you believe that
Home invader valued my
Stuff more than his life?
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Funny enough we just had a no-knock that made national news after the police arrested a man(with no warrant) and kidnapped his daughter(who was injured). To be fair Pace is in Santa Rosa County, while Pensacola is in Escambia County, but they are right next to one another.
That entire case in Pensacola is a damn farce. The dudes house they kicked wasn’t a suspect in the investigation. He had no criminal history either.
The police have been caught giving conflicting reports on if they announced, when they announced, if they gave any time before breaching, ect before kicking the door. In the report they say they waited 10sec to breach, but the dept policy is at least 15sec. As a result one of the SWAT breachers took a round in the shield. They are charging the father with attempted murder of a law enforcement officer…
Then they say that the baby got messed up by leaving him in a car and he falling out when an officer opened the door again. What?
Local news had an interview scheduled with PD but when the reporter brought up the injured baby they back out of it and launched an internal investigation.
Reeks. Filthy, foul and putrid. Reeks.
Yeah thankfully our DA dropped the case, but it was insane.
I hadn’t heard the case was dropped by the DA yet, that’s good news.
Yeah idk if you’re local to the area, but most people who work in Pensacola prefer to live in Santa Rosa County (Pace, Milton, Gulf Breeze). Escambia County PD has a ton of issues.
Facts!
I don't know about Florida but in many states because they dropped the charges it makes it much harder for the guy to sue the police. Many states only let you sue for the damage they caused to your person, house, and reputation if you are found innocent, by dropping the charges he isn't technically found innocent in court. Here is a lawyer explaining it better https://youtu.be/knXZ82zRHPM
Supreme Court helped close that loophole recently.
Guess which justices dissented.
That was for malicious prosecution. I'm sure states will argue that it doesn't apply to damage or injuries sustained during police actions.
I always thought it was farce that the majority of no knock raids or only 30 seconds of notifications that the police are coming in. One of their excuses is that they are concerned that evidence can be destroyed. If someone can destroy all the "evidence" in under 2 minutes, how much of a crime is there...
Cops signing up to do these raids enjoy the action, violence and adrenaline rush of busting into a house guns blazing with zero consequences. Being strategic and smart isn't in their bag of tricks. There is no fun in doing a 72 hour stake out or pulling someone over as they leave their house.
Change my mind...
agree wholeheartedly
seems the only thing that may force them to reconsider is being met with force again and again.
I’m not the ACAB type but this should be wholly unacceptable. if it’s not exigent you don’t need to raid it, if it is exigent you don’t need the warrant.
It’s honestly ridiculous to act like every house is some type of drug stash house.
I bet 9 out of 10 of these they could literally just wait maybe 4 hours and nab the “suspect” coming out their door. It’s such a silly process. And the idea that a homeowner can legally stand his ground but somehow needs to be aware of a secret no knock no announce warrant in their own home at 5am is retarded. Straight up retarded.
I can’t think of very many situations that require going into someone’s home and pulling them out. Yet it seems to be one of their favorite tasks.
Closest thing that most of em will get to Call of Duty type action.
They could have joined the armed forces if they wanted that. There is no video game equivalent to what they are doing because 10 fully automatic rifles vs one or two unarmed opponents isn’t fun for most people.
You gotta think like a cop, not a normal person.
Just to play devils advocate, evidence can be small, flammable, flushable, etc. To hell with no knock warrants, I agree it's tiny dick cops trying to play soldier. Just explaining that reasoning (poor as it is).
Then catch them outside the home where no one can destroy anything.
You also have to consider reaction time after the knock. People aren't waiting for the knock, ready to destroy the evidence. That short time frame isn't enough time for someone to do much of anything when they show up without warning.
If someone can destroy all the "evidence" in under 2 minutes, how much of a crime is there...
How long does it take to flush half a kilo of heroin?
1 pound of whatever probably would take 2 mins but IMO that isn't worth running and gunning a no knock. The war on drugs has already been a failure. Why not just catch them outside the house then unlock it with their keys and search after getting a warrant? Less damage, less risk, no loss of evidence. I can't think of a reason other than hostages or some terrorists action where a no knock makes sense.
But then how are they supposed to toss flash bangs into baby cribs?
Could still get them in the car seats... /s
I agree with you 100% about no knock warrants. I was just pointing out that a lot of "evidence" can be disposed of in 2 minutes.
How do I get this dead guy to go down? I've flushed like six times...
This pistol won't flush either!!!
The trick is to liquify them first.
IMO that's not a lot of evidence. Heck even federal trafficing charges say 1 kilo of heroin is approximately 10 yrs in jails. So is half that 5 yrs in jail? Heck celebrities probably use pounds for personal use a month. Some drug "king ping" or high level dealer is going to have more than a few pounds. Guess the cops wouldn't think of turning off the water to a dwelling, that shit would make too much sense... And it still makes more sense to grab them outside the house and search when no one is inside.
Meanwhile US gov is all time leader in drug trafficking...
15 seconds from announcement to breach? That’s barely enough time for me to grunt my fat ass off the lazy boy and put some pants on. Let alone, open the door to let them in…
If you open the door, they don’t get to break it down
They hurt a fucking baby? What the fuck man.
That makes me sick.
As it does me.
Gary in your icon doesn’t approve either.
The police motto: to protect and serve, and commit perjury whenever it suits the state's case.
From the article - “The official stepped out of the vehicle temporarily to assist a driver that needed help navigating through the police traffic at the scene. Upon returning, “One of the children was leaning on the door of the car when the investigator opened it to get back in and fell out of the car,” the report read. The two children were evaluated by EMS but were never taken to the hospital.”
I’ve never seen a cop put anybody anywhere but the back of the car. If they were in back, he’d have no reason to open that door unless he just wanted to because the kid was leaning on it. “Whoops, my squad car isn’t a jungle gym ya rug-rat, now look you fell and hurt yourself”.
Maybe I’m being pessimistic, but I’ve seen what kinds of things people do if they know there’s no accountability
There are several more points to that story that are not in the police’s favor.
Wtf? I’m 99% sure no knock warrants are illegal in Florida
No they aren’t
Looks like they’re “illegal” but with some serious loopholes
That’s disappointing
My thoughts exactly. No crying about "hero cops" getting shot when they storm a home at 3am like they're hunting Bin Laden.
After seeing the police blatantly shooting strangling and/or just outright murdering innocent and often times unarmed plus handcuff individuals in the streets, their vehicles, and their homes… I don’t see why people aren’t just defending themselves against these violent street thugs. The police spent the entire year of 2020 actively rioting across the country against being held accountable for their actions. Everyone should just be defending themselves at all times from police interaction. Don’t let yourself become a statistic.
I don’t see why people aren’t just defending themselves against these violent street thugs.
Outmanned and outgunned.
At that point, you're dead anyway. You shoot at a home intruder only to realize later it's a cop doing a no knock warrant, you're not going to make it out of there alive for your mistake even if you throw down your arms.
There has been a few cases where the person got acquitted after this scenario went to trial so this doesn't seem to be entirely true.
Source?
https://www.wpbf.com/article/andrew-coffee-not-guilty-on-all-counts/38304640
Caught the illegal possession charge but acquitted of murder charges. It was overshadowed by the Rittenhouse trial going on at the same time
Can’t remember the guy’s name for the life of me but it happened the same time as the Rittenhouse trial
If you can hold them off till a negotiator or some news cameras show up you stand a better chance IMO. throwing down your weapon is suicide after the two way firing range commences. What a shame, maybe some incentive to do their homework better. Especially Florida, giving off big “gun behind every blade of grass” vibes.
Pretty sure they call SWAT, and not a negotiator after being fired upon
SWAT has an negotiator though
They're about as useful as turn lights on a BMW.
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You only have a pistol?
If you are well trained and well prepared, you will kill enough of them, quickly enough that they will withdraw and seek parlay. This is true of any fight.
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Doesn't take an action hero to put 40 green tips down range in a hurry
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When I did my first bulk ammo buy of 5.56mm the best deal I could find was a can of green tips. Given that most ranges frown on them, I've still got more than enough to fill out a 40 rounder.
So I guess the answer is Black Friday sales at local gun shops? Idk
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They've all watched John Wick
Keanu Reeves took live firearms training from an actual civilian shooter. The real thing doesn’t look much different with live ammo if the shooter is good.
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You can laugh all you want, but you can’t refute my facts.
That's why every scene is heavily choreographed right? I was just trying to be funny but some here seem to really believe this shit and take it too seriously. Real life isn't a movie.
Most scenarios at dynamic shooting matches are “choreographed” for lack of a better tern, for the purposes of safety and high scores. In movies it’s done for safety and good cinematography.
It doesn’t change the fact that the skillsets are the same (for good firearms handling examples in movies). The most important difference is risk vs. reward. Obviously in a home defense scenario both risk and reward are exponentially greater. Literally life or death.
Firearms and defense training take many forms. I’m not aware of any single type that is superior in every aspect across all the different disciplines.
I'm not the one who likes to play soldier dressup and break into homes.
an army cook with a record of being a shitbag was able to keep Dallas SWAT out of sight. And not before he set up an obvious pie slice on a cop who was up and red hot. No one on either side is an action hero.
As long as you keep that in mind mid no-knock warrant
Corporate wants you to find the difference between these 2 pics.
Which is why any agency worth their shit doesn't do no-knocks anymore. My agency stopped doing them a while back after realizing they're fucking dumb and dangerous for everyone involved.
Profoundly stupid and pointlessly dangerous
100%. As many people have said, if evidence can be flushed, it's probably shitty evidence and/or something fucking stupid and not worth pursuing in the first place.
I was going to comment that this sheriff was based, but this post is reaching based levels previously thought impossible.
Why are people so fucking stupid? You bring up no-knock warrants in ONE OF THE ONLY STATES THAT DOES NOT ALLOW NO KNOCK WARRANTS. And you got nearly 1000 upvotes by a bunch of other dumbass sheep.
That's funny I'd also rather shoot and protect myself then have to call someone else that is always too late anyways.
When seconds matter, the police are just minutes away
The average police response time in my city is 13 minutes.
13 minutes is a long time when there's some random burglar in your living room.
I had someone break in and he kept just asking for my gun lmao
You cant make that shit up. I think he was on drugs.
I do security for my work; it took the local police 45 minutes to show up for an alarm call; I had to drive from the other side of the city and still got there before them and had to wait until they arrived to enter the building with them.
Haha that checks out.
Not to mention police don’t have a great track record of identifying who the actual offender is and will often shoot or arrest the person who actually made the call
If they even do anything when they do arrive
I carry a gun because carrying a cop is too heavy
I've never heard thus before, but I like it.
This should be on a t-shirt!
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Violent shitbags killed in by their victims have a 0% recidivism rate!
“Criminals HATE him. Learn how he deals with them with one simple trick!”
You're totally right, this applies for cops too though. Spoiler: we wouldn't have any
Well yeah. Another solution is to help with the rampant poverty and instead of constantly depending on mass incarceration, we could create social safety nets so people don’t become desperate enough to break laws.
But if they’re in my house about to take my shit and threaten me..... fuck em
Or, instead of creating massive and expensive social safety nets, you could just create robust and effective programs that teach individuals where and how they can be effective in society, with whatever skills they have a proclivity for.
We can afford both. Our local governments and state governments instead spend it all on militarized police forces. Constantly ballooning how much slop the pigs get while starving education and medical resources for communities
Do you really think they are breaking into homes because of poverty? Like do you imagine that they are there to take food and blankets? LOL the vast majority of times they are drug addicts. I don’t want one cent of my tax dollars going to junkies. Lock em up and throw away the key.
LOL the vast majority of times they are drug addicts.
Do you think the vast majority of well off drug addicts are breaking into houses? Or is it just the poor ones?
I don’t want one cent of my tax dollars going to junkies. Lock em up and throw away the key.
This does not make sense, if you are locking them up and throwing away the key it is costing tax payers an average of 30 grand a year. You could fix a lot of shit that way by putting it into mental health and and welfare services.
Money well spent as far as I’m concerned. It’s not about the total dollars it’s about how it’s used.
money well spent
We have the highest percentage of the population in prison in the entire world.
We also have one of the highest percentages of violent crimes in the developed world.
https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Violent-crime/Murder-rate
and also one of the worst recidivism rates.
https://harvardpolitics.com/recidivism-american-progress/
So I gotta ask, when you say "money well spent" did that come from a place of ignorance, or are you intentionally trying to be an asshole?
Obviously trying to be an asshole because he never responded.
Preventative measures are ALWAYS more effective and cheaper than measures after the fact. This applies to literally every single area of life.
Wanna prevent poverty as an older person? Invest a tiny amount each day as a high schooler until you’re 35. Rather than invest hundreds and hundreds a month when you’re in your 30’s
Wanna spend less on medical care? Eat healthier and exercise and avoid a ton of medical bills in the future.
Wanna solve gun violence? Instead of paying 30K a year for EACH criminal, spend 15K a year (for each prospective criminal) on better education, more financial opportunities. Etc.
Prevention over emergency every time.
Yeah if we just kill all of the criminals, there will be no crimes. This is a flawless plan that couldn't possibly backfire
Judge Death. He reasoned that since crime was committed only by the living, all life is a crime.
It's called "grassroots level deterence".
I just made it up but didn't it sound legit?
Not wordy enough for politics, how about:
Encouraged method of community improvement with an emphasis on reducing law enforcement involvement within personal matters.
You gotta make sure whatever you come up with has a catchy acronym..... Actually, start with a catchy acronym and fill in the words..
C.R.I.M.E.S Doctrine
Criminals Realize Individuals May Employ the ol' Switcheroo
Skeet skeet bang bang mother fucker!
Need a bigger budget for that.
Step 1: Propose thingy
Step 2: Get shot down (we are here)
Step 3: Make a task force, with it's own budget, to determine why it was shot down
Step 4: Milk budget until retire or the public is going to find out
Step 5: Bury task force/project and if asked "after carefully examining all options we decided to circle back to that"
*WHAT'S THAT OVER THERE!*
*Runs out of the room*
Good call. I’ll start. B.O.B.O.D.D.Y.
Oh shit.
I'm fuckin FEELING the ambivalence.
Thats how you know it's working. It's catching on already!
💯👍
It's easier for them to 'do their job' if the suspect is already dead.
California would prefer if the homeowner just lets the invaders have their way with their dead bodies after they murder them.
But But they'll send grief councilors to deal with the loss.
Funny enough, CA has a pretty solid castle doctrine. Whether or not the state cares about its own laws is doubtful, though.
They then have material for murder-porn tv shows and movies to keep people glued to their TVs.
You forgot the complimentary rape bonus. Can be applicable before or after murder at invader's behest.
I just hope they don't shit on the floor before they leave...
Home owners should just claim they wanted to rob the invader. California DAs' heads would explode.
Haha this guy understands.
Don't complain when you cops break into the wrong house and get shot by a terrified homeowner who thinks they're being robbed.
Any home invader can easily get their hands on a cop uniform that would look convincing enough at 2am, and shout "Police!" while breaking in so as to gain compliance. I've never done anything to warrant the police violently breaking into my home. No matter what they say or look like, I'm shooting.
Exactly - literally anyone, including you and I, are capable of shouting "police! search warrant!" as we break into someone's house.
So how on Earth is the homeowner supposed to know if we are real cops or not? There are actually several documented cases of burglars claiming to be police, specifically to trick the home owner into not defending themselves.
Are you telling me I can neutralize the risk of being shot by a homeowner simply by yelling "police!" as I break into someone's house???
I've never done anything to warrant the police violently breaking into my home.
The only reason the cops would be at my home is because they're incompetent, bordering on the illiterate.
My address is VERY clearly marked on my curb, mailbox, and front door.
None of that matters if the court gets the address on the warrant wrong.
Or if the cops are looking for the guy who lived in your apartment 5 years before you moved in and they didn't bother to do any investigation or surveillance beforehand...
"Well, this is the last known address we had for the suspect!"
And you clowns didnt even station a guy out front for a few days to see if he was still coming and going from this address???
I've never understood that shit. It's small scale waco. Instead of nabbing him when he left the compound, they seiged the castle. Cut the power, cut the water, and wait them out. They gotta leave to get food and shit at some point. Door kicking knock or no knock is a good way to get a bunch of people killed on both sides. Barring hostage situations, there's no reason they can't wait. Hell, if you don't make a scene they'll probably come out on their own not suspecting anything
It's a bunch of cops who are too impatient and/or blood thirsty to wait for the guy to come out of his own accord and peacefully surrender.
Ever notice how corrupt cops are always allowed to turn themselves in while the average citizen gets captured via no knock raid just for suspected drug possession?
Why are corrupt cops given the opportunity to peacefully surrender if low level drug users are not?
I also prefer to shoot home invaders. Home invaders are dangerous. They aren't the ones who wait till you leave and rob you. They are the ones that come when you're home.
The idea these people will change after going to prison is a delusional fantasy. This cop knows it too.
Now to read the article in proper reddit fashion.
So fucking based
God I love this state
“You value your private property and your wife and children’s lives over mine!?”
“Yes”
I guess it’s cheaper to keep them in the morgue than in the jail. Coroner car rides are cheaper than ambulance or patrol car rides. Heck most limo rides are cheaper than ambulance rides.
Plus there are no costs of investigation, court costs or probation fees if the criminal is killed. Plus the criminal will reoffend when they’re released and victimize others once again
Its all fun and games for them until someone shoots at the police for invading their property! :|
It’s a feature, not a bug.
In my country you'd be charged for ever harming a mostly peaceful home invader. And I'd never dream of breaking into somebody's home. I couldn't imagine somebody ever willing to do it if they lived somewhere guns were common and rights to self and property defence were badass.
I’m glad I live somewhere that supports FAFO (fuck around & find out).
Bro what?! How can you feel safe in a country if you can’t physically harm someone who breaks into your house
The breaking in alone warrants violence IMO. There’s no way to actually know whether or not their violent.
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peaceful home invader.
Yeah, that's the significant aspect of castle doctrine from how I see it.
Its not simply that you have "a right to protect your home". Its that you still have to show you had a reasonable believe your safety was threatened in order for it to be a self defense case, AND castle doctrine is acknowledging that if someone physically breaks into your house while you are there, that IS the declaratory act. The very act of them breaking in is an indication to a reasonable person that they are coming to as likely as not, cause you harm.
Short Version: Self defense says you can't use force unless they are threatening to do you harm. Castle Doctrine says, well duh, if they kick in your door in the middle of the night, WTF do you think they're there for? They ain't dropping off pizza.
It's insane to me that in some places theives and home invaders have more rights than the people they're robbing. The default response to a home invader should be meet them with overwhelming violence until the threat is eliminated. I don't care what happens to the theif, I want to maximize MY chances of survival and hopefully not get hurt at all.
Peaceful home invader. What the fuck?
I was actually ironically referencing CNN and the famous "fiery but mostly peaceful " protests line in an attempt to make comical light of criminals rights in Canada.
I figured it wasn’t your own words it’s just crazy that surely someone has said this before seriously lol. As someone who has had someone attempt to break into my home while shouting the nword( I’m white)there was nothing peaceful about the situation
Keep doing them no-knock warrants and see how turns out for ya.
Surprised this wasn't Grady Judd. God I love this state.
Grady Judd has used red flag gun confiscation more than any other sheriff in Florida. Fk that hypocrite
Oh yeah definitely fuck Grady Judd for being a Boomer Fudd but when it comes to shooting criminals Judd is pretty solid.
God I love Florida
Same
Now this guy gets it
House rule is “intruders get shot.” If you don’t like the rules, don’t come into my house.
So do homeowners
Pro-tip: If someone kicks in your door, dump a couple rounds into the first one in and then immediately put another few rounds (waist to chest high, depending on stairs) through the wall right next to the lock side of the door they just kicked in.
You never know if there is another "robber"
I love this guy!
Need more Sheriff's like this guy!
Criminal picked the wrong house.
Liberals really need to think about post “No Firearms In This House” signs in their front yards, since they support criminals so much. If it saves just one criminals life, right???
The more I hear about Florida, the better it sounds.
We should just be allowed to take a hand.
Fucking A
Meanwhile, in my country…
I can’t shoot a home invader unless they directly threatened my life.
Instead you have to invite them in, give them a cup of tea, let them have your wife as well and wish them a good day as you load their car with your valuables
It’s crazy how much you all fantasize about having your home invaded. Odd hobby but whatever.
Being prepared to use deadly force is different than fantasizing about using deadly force.
Puh-leeze, at the end of your life like 99% of the people here, you'll realize you never once were in a situation that called for shooting someone, and you'll be sad.
compared to liberals pedophile fantasies?
It’s hard to take you seriously when you can’t even spell pedophile.
bruh. Phone text. defend pedophiles more
I don't fantasize about being home invaded, I just like seeing law abiding citizens given an advantage over criminals who don't follow the law.
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Can you believe that home invader valued my stuff more than his life?