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This. I’m as big a Taylor Swift fan as you’ll meet, but let’s be real, Fiona is simply on another level lyrically. And that’s ok! I will never understand swifties’ penchant for comparing Taylor to others, or bragging that they only listen to her. Stop ranking artists and simply enjoy them, my god.
YES! how can anyone say Taylor is an equal let alone BETTER lyricist? bullshit honestly
I'd say Joanna Newsom is on the same level as a songwriter with Fiona. Hell, her lyrics are insanely dense and poetic.
I don't think Joanna and Taylor Swift even inhabit the same plane of existence.
I mean...obviously lol.
Ummmmmm
My reaction as well. Like c'mon.
It would be a shame to make it a competition.
The perfect response. Also stuck in my head now, so thank you. Lol truly.
They can both be appreciated without all the comparisons.
Exactly…Taylor is an immensely talented lady, but to compare them would be like Mozart v. Billy Joel. Just no question.
Perfect response lol
Fiona was writing more poetic stuff when she was a teenager. Some of her teenage writings ended up on FTBC actually.
No hate towards Taylor, I like some of her songs too, respect her as an artist and everything, but she’s no where near Fiona’s talent.
Like, no hate but this is almost laughable.
I agree, I find Fiona’s writing more poetic and Taylor is more storytelling.
It’s weird to me because Fiona doesn’t think about Taylor when writing and vice versa. They’re not competing. Like who cares. Taylor has more mass appeal so she’ll have more fans but Fiona is well liked and she’s aware of it like why do we need to compare them
Which song?!
Relay
wow that’s one of my favorite songs on ftbc
She said she found “evil is a relay sport where the one who’s burned turns to pass the torch” in an old journal she kept when she was 15.
thank you! fr cant take this slander
Swift fans also don’t realize how much easier it is for Taylor to put out sincere and vulnerable lyrics, because the societal and music industry barriers that existed in the past were obliterated by Fiona.
And Fiona was roasted for being a singer/songwriter back in her era…
Very laughable. Thought this was a troll post lol
I have thought that they're comparable forever. I'm not really a big Taylor fan, but her lyrics are complex, and the only reason anyone would say differently is conditioned misogyny. I am a huge Fiona fan, however.
I've no doubt that Taylor could make an amazing artpop record, and maybe she will. But to look at, say, Criminal or Paper Bag and not see that those songs could be a #1 hit in the hands of someone who wanted that in the mainstream pop landscape is just in denial.
I love Taylor, and I think she’s written a lot of great, smart, lyrical songs.
But Fiona takes the win across the board. Genius level songwriting–musically and lyrically.
In another Reddit thread, it was noted that Taylor had rhymed car with bar on 6 different songs.
Dear lord 😂😂😂😂
on The Man, she rhymes “bad” with “sad”…twice. in a ROW.
also cardigan and car again...lol
Joni, Fiona sweetie I’m sorry
Joni is like the Godmother of all these singers. She’s written some of the greatest songs of all time and performed with some of the greatest to ever do it.
Admitting that you can’t name a Joni Mitchell song is so embarrassing lmao
You mean wrong opinion?
Nothing against Taylor, but she ain't no Fiona. Exactly how deeply have you looked into this theory?
Ikr
I don’t think the argument is that she can’t write well it’s that she is not on the same level lyrically as fiona and joni
Yeah, like, Michael Phelps is the fastest swimmer in the world, but that doesn't in any way mean Katie Ledecky is slow. One person being the absolute best doesn't mean everyone else is terrible. Not sure why people always take it to that extreme.
what in the hell 😭
Popular opinion: Fiona Apple is a much better lyricist than Taylor Swift, and always will be.
no, Fiona it’s above her and comparing them is actually disrespectful
Agreed!!!!
deadass!!!
comparing any artist to another is disrespectful. there’s no right way to be an artist. being unique and talented is what makes them so lovely
i love taylor but lyrically fiona is well above
regardless i don’t think it should be a competition, they don’t make similar music and even if they did let’s just enjoy both
No she isnt lmao
I won’t deny Taylor Swift has talent- a hell of a lot more than me at least. I don’t get why there’s a need for comparison. Fiona’s songs aren’t only music- they’re poetry. That way she enunciates and pronounces certain lyrics, her timing, the visuals she draws in her songs… her fans think her songs are art. That’s how I feel about her, at least.
A Taylor Swift fan might listen to Shameika and hate it. I will never deny Fiona is an acquired taste. That’s why I love her. From the perspective of a Fiona fan, I find Taylor Swift to be generic and a bit boring. Nothing wrong with a Swiftie’s opinion and nothing wrong with mine.
What the OG post’s OP said about Fiona and the other artist rubs me the wrong way. Taylor Swift is an A-list celebrity. Fiona is not. Taylor Swift has a net-worth of over $1 billion, has tons of private jets, and charges $5000 for front-row tickets. Fiona doesn’t. Everyone has heard of Taylor Swift. It’s easy to know her music. She’s one of the biggest names in the world. You’ve never heard of Fiona Apple because you have to have interest in exploring her music, and the OG OP clearly doesn’t.
Yeah, your last point about OP’s point annoys me too. “I’m not familiar with Joni and Fiona therefore Taylor’s superior.” Uh… what?
I'd never even heard of Joni before this post. But I am not slandering their name because I've never taken the time to listen to their music. Though, it seems that a lot of Fiona fans do, so I just might!
this must be bait
You're posting it in a Fiona Apple sub, so you already know what you're gonna get... I just got into Taylor Swift and boy I underestimated her lyrical skills, but I cannot fathom anyone superior to Fiona in that field. They both are extremely talented, though.
There’s a reason your opinion is unpopular
Um no, Fiona’s work is so much more mature, complex, and unique. She also broadens the themes of her songs, whereas it seems Taylor has a bit of a formula.
People are going to hate me for this, but I always felt that Swift's lyrics just sound like Tumblr girl quotes.
I def don’t hate you for that…I think that’s the most succinct and on point way to describe them ha!
Lmao no
I don’t listen to Taylor, but reading those lyrics (on the image) i think they have really different approaches to their subjects. If there’s anything like “an equal level” i think it would be to something like “never is a promise” (just judging by the image). I guess we judge any text with the way it resonates with us, i’m not trying to be rude, but, for me, those Taylor lyrics don’t get even close to Fiona’s writing.
Taylor writes literally whereas Fiona writes figuratively imo
Fiona writes literally and figuratively and uniquely all at the same time.
May you never know peace
i think of it in terms of consistency: i don’t think fiona (in her much longer career than taylor) has ever written and released a lyric anything short of poetic. fiona isn’t really my favorite artist sonically but her writing skills are near unmatched by any other musicians today. Taylor has some good songwriting but she has a LOT of stinkers too, particularly on recent albums. Fiona’s writing matured with her age, whereas Taylor is going on 40 now and still writing like a teenager on a lot of new tracks (such as the material on midnights). it just really isnt a debate and swifties are low key delulu for this
The reason is she doesn't take herself seriously, she doesn't need acclamation, she could make a cult masterpiece album with the best writing you can imagine right now if she wanted, but she chooses not to because it's not what she's aiming for
switfties are low key delulu for this
case and point
So you are saying she could take her artistry seriously and make a masterpiece anytime, but instead she's just wants pap walks and to exploit her fans for money. That sounds right.
I think people don’t take Taylor swift as serious as a lyricist as maybe she should be but to say that Fiona Apple is on her level is mind boggling
Um yeah…. No
Can't imagine coming to a Fiona Apple sub to cape for a climate criminal.
Womp womp
posting this on a fiona apple sub interesting
Opinions that should stay unpopular and unsaid challenge 😍
Dead ass thanks for the laughs tonight, I needed it.
They keep bringing this up cuz they know they’ll get a reaction out of you …
So I’m going to comment as someone who is a fan of both women, though I’ve been a fan of Fiona’s much longer.I do agree that many people do not take Taylor Swift seriously in part because her music appeals to a certain demographic; I think they also do not take her seriously because of her public persona and her penchant for putting her personal life front and center in the public view, and that’s part is of her own doing. We know she can be private, as she has done it before. She simply chooses not to.
Taylor also has a history of choosing some of her worse songs as singles, which means that, unless someone is a fan, has a fan in their life, or has decided to listen to her music, they have probably not heard some of her best songwriting. ‘We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together’, “Welcome to New York’, ‘Shake It Off”, “You Need to Calm Down”, “Look What You Made Me Do”, “Me!” “Anti-Hero” and “Karma” are absolutely going to raise eyebrows if you say this woman is a good songwriter if that’s what someone has heard. Some of them are fun, some are god awful and they are all horrible examples of her being a talented songwriter.
I’m not sure it’s particularly useful to compare Fiona and Taylor as I don’t think their music has much in common – while I have zero evidence of this, I don’t think they tend to write in the same fashion. Taylor’s songs are very, very literal; she paints a very detailed, visceral picture. It’s so incredibly easy to imagine exactly what she’s singing about. She weaves a story for her listeners. Fiona’s songwriting, to me, feels far more poetic and not so literal – it’s less about her building a story for you that plays out in your mind, but rather her crafting emotions that tear at your heart. Fiona leaves you bleeding.
If I have to compare the two, I’m absolutely going with Fiona, in part because I think that she showed more promise as a more capable songwriter at a younger age; Tidal was a very strong work for a young artist and seemed like it was written by someone far older than she was. Taylor has become better as she aged, but her early music feels young. Also, Fiona, I believe has continued to progress, while I personally feel that Midnights was a regression for Taylor, following folklore and evermore, as many of the songs on Midnights feel more juvenile considering she’s in her 30s (but not the 3AM songs. Those were gold). I’m also going with Fiona as being the better songwriter because, as stated before, her music leaves you bleeding in a way that Taylor’s just doesn’t. It’s emotional, and raw. I want to bleed. But truthfully, I really don’t think it’s great to compare these two women who are doing wildy different work.
Are those supposed to be examples of good writing…?
“My pretty mouth will frame the phrases that will disprove your faith in man.” -Fiona Apple, age 22
you can be a TS fan but acknowledge that her writing it's not at the same level as Joni or Fiona and to be fair I saw a lot of haters in this tweet saying that they had to google to known who Joni, Fiona and Weyes Blood were that was so disrespectful so TS fans started this whole thing against, experimental and folk artists
TS fans have been going after experimental artists like Björk and FKA twigs in the past week. With some posting hateful slurs about Twigs in particular.
A lot of those TS fans feel comfortable putting other female artists down just to uplift Taylor and are beyond dismissive when it comes to music that isn't strictly pop. It's pretty pathetic tbh.
They're practicing that Taylor Swift feminism. So embarrassing.
I’m sorry Taylor is definitely not even on the same level as Fiona what?!!
oh hell fucking no
I don’t listen to Swiffer but I did read all those lyrics on the screen. Very generic, if anything corny and none were moving. Fiona’s intrigue & anxiety of other female narratives of her or those imposed on them socially alone is what outstanding unique songwriting is for an example. Extraordinary machine record, has some of her best work also like Oh Well is still wowza. Swiffer is vanilla & bland enough for the general audience to all connect with for it to have gotten to this annoying point it has where people wanna say she’s one of the greats. No Makayla she’s just made more accessible that way for $$$
I'd you're saying those lyrics are bland, you're just blind, go check you're eyes, you must be seeing wrong, dmbs
Her lyrics are bland, in fact after making sure by rereading some I can state they’re trash like the Lakes one is RUBBISH😂it is BAD makes no sense just like the reply u wrote. I managed reading your response as well which was tough, clearly English isn’t your forte !and that’s OK 👌🏽 luckily I found the strength to power through it.
These aren’t even great lyrics in this photo…I guess I can’t blame them for not recognizing quality
Thank you. Most of them seem like word salad. What is she trying to say?
Taylor Swift to me is a good song writer- there is something accessible and catchy in the music she writes, etc. I am not exactly a fan, but I really appreciate and am stunned by the way that I feel like I know her music, even if I don't know her music.
But Fiona Apple is on a whole 'nother level (no shade!/that's ok)!
Fiona Apple just is so innovative and wide ranging and clever--there's something that she just captures on a soul level that Taylor has not (for me at least) I put her on par/in a similar camp with Norah Jones, Nirvana, Billie Holiday, Aretha Franklin, Carole King, Otis Redding, (too many greats to name) etc. when it comes to lyricism and construction.
EDIT: I also want to emphasize that I think both artists are trying to achieve different things musically/use their music to explore different things personal to them and that's perfectly fine/great! Double the fun.
Some fans just wanna start something all the time, I wouldn’t be bothered to mind them tho
most delusional take
this has got to be satire
well no
My derring-do allows me to
Dance the rigadoon around you
But by the time I'm close to you
I lose my desideratum and now you
Taylor Swift is a super smart business person and entertainer.
She is an insipid lyricist.
She is nowhere near Fiona Apple's level.
Exactly. "is it romantic how all my elegies eulogize me" 💀
Exactly! Her lyrics read like stuff I would see in Tumblr posts. I just don't find her songwriting as nuanced or impressive as people make it out to be.
Girl..😭
Sorry but no.
Taylor Swift is plain mayo.
Fiona is spicy mustard.
They aren't really comparable.
Taylor writes beautifully but she is not at the same level as Fiona Apple or Joni Mitchell. Both Fiona and Joni are legends, Taylor is not there yet.
I don't know... It's like I can feel Taylor Swift's struggle to write a good lyric while Fiona's come up so cool and natural. Yes, I am biased but I guess Fiona's work is just tighter. I do take Taylor seriously, of course, she's good.
Define struggle
I'm not answering you about quality and art when all you've said here is dumb things about charts and sales. You misses the point entirely just because you got pressed.
I'm willing to start a civil conversation with someone else, not a with a child that's part of a stan cult.
What youre saying is biased and senseless btw
Ooooooofffff no.
lol hell naw 😭
Pitting two successful and talented women against each other is so tired, and giving credence to these arguments is reductive.
Why is it so hard to appreciate and love someone's art without trying to prove your favorite is better or more meaningful than someone elses??
Taylor and Fiona aren't in a competition. There isn't a race or contest.
I'm far from a Taylor fan but for a pop songwriter I'd say she is a decent lyricist. But comparing her to Fiona and Joni — two of the most celebrated poetic wordsmiths in music — by saying she's on their level lyrically is kinda ridiculous. And musically both are in a whole other league.
But at the end of the day these comparisons are futile.
What a joke
I dont really have anything against taylor but lets be for real rn...
i think taylor is great songwriter but fiona is 100% better 😭😭
I guess this is my unpopular opinion but u don’t think Taylor is a great lyricist. She has a similar style as Fiona but I think a lot of Taylor’s lyrics end up word salad-ey. The songs are poetic but not everything is nearly as cohesive and tight as Fiona’s songs are.
taylor gives off "im 14 and this is deep" vibes imo
Fair play OP, this is a legit good ‘unpopular opinion’ post cause even though I definitely don’t agree, it’s worthy of a discussion. I can even see why some might view Taylor as a worthy lyrical adversary. There’s probably a generational barrier that me and a lot of others may struggle to get past. But Fiona still remains the GOAT in this field, for me.
You're right, that is an unpopular opinion
Fiona is dylan Taylor is Donovan. Both good. Only one Dylan.
girl... no... im a taylor swift fan and even i know she is nowhere near fiona lyrically 😭
😐
Fiona and Taylor both write absolutely amazing songs. Their styles lyrically are just so different that I don’t see how they can truly be compared to each other though.
you’re the only one who thinks this
I think Taylor is often discounted because she’s a pretty woman sure, but Fiona apples songs are like a new kind of song writing. Her lyrics are always pushing what song lyrics can do. Each album is better than the last. The musicality of how she uses words and the sheer gorgeousness of the language she uses is unparalleled.
Taylor is extremely overrated and childish
just because she's successful it doesn't mean that she's overrated, go stream Fiona and worry about her charting on Billboard
Idgaf about all those things and neither does Fiona
We can tell
Good for u mate
i respect taylor lyrically but it’s nowhere comparable to fiona. fiona would never pull up a “bad bad boy shiny toy with a price”, tbh
So biased, you know damn well that Taylor has outstanding lyrics better than that, you will not set her up, not in my presence b.
You missed the point on your brigade and mission here. This person is saying Fiona wouldn’t have that lyric anywhere on any of her tracks because that’s how terrible it is.
Your conception of bad lyric is distorted, just because she's not writing poem-like lyrics doesn't mean that's a terrible lyric
doesn’t need to be a competition they’re both very talented in their own ways
Equal? Fiona is way better lol
this take is so misguided… and shocking lol.
even reading the lyric quotes by taylor… i’m sorry but i literally cannot even fathom putting taylor swift in the same category, stratosphere as fiona apple. in any context.
like
fiona apple transcends.
even so simply as the metaphors taylor uses seem so juvenile and obvious. i’m not even going to entertain or explain.
I get what you mean. I think both artists had very different upbringings, and the Tidal album vs Taylor’s first albums are so contrasting, as you said “different stratospheres”. Fiona wrote Sullen Girl, Taylor was writing songs about country boys. But just hear me out (lol!!), her recent stuff is really developed!
There’s a lyric in Nothing New - “how can someone know everything at 18 but nothing at 22?” I loved that so much.
Are. You. Being. Serious? “Really developed” and that’s the one lyrical example?! I can’t tell if this is serious or not…
This just pissed me off
me when i’m bored and want to rage bait
i’m young and i don’t take taylor seriously because she’s lack luster and has no substance to her music. sorry, but there is literally no comparison between taylor, fiona, and joni because taylor is not on they’re level, musically or lyrically, at all.
Listen to folklore or evermore
no
So don't talk
lmfao people are allowed to like things and dislike things. i’m stating my opinion, which is the point of this post. i’ve listened to taylor before and it’s a snooze fest
you can't talk about snooze if you didn't listened to her entire catalog before opening your mouth
literally stfu, you’re getting downvotes on everything you say in this thread. i don’t need to listen to her discography to know she sucks. go suck a dick
you sure are CRAZY…… 4tay
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I love Taylor Swift, but for an entirely different reason than I love Fiona Apple.
They are not the same lyrically. Like at all. Fiona wins the lyrics game, hands down, no competition, next question.
Who sells, Taylor, hands down, no competition, next question.
Look around, kid, even trash sells
I’m not sure where this kid is not understanding that record sales and awards these days mean…absolutely nothing? It’s not the 70s, 80s, and 90s anymore when award shows were really meant for talented musicians.
Selena Gomez sells millions of records and the girl can barely hold a tune, hit a note, write, play an instrument, or even dance…but she sure has a machine behind her.
Terrible comparation
That’s not a high bar lmao
Taylor Swift is a good storyteller who’s lyrics can paint a very clear and precise picture, but Fiona Apple is a straight up poet on the same level as like a Maya Angelou
They’re not all that comparable
I’m speechless lol
Lolol not that it’s a contest because it’s not, creativity and art comes on such a spectrum of what’s considered good/deep/etc and in many ways is very subjective to the viewer but seriously let’s bffr with statements like this
chronically online 15-year-old swifties are the reason taylor swift gets such a bad rap (no pun/reference intended). why does this person feel like they have to put down other female artists to prove taylor swift is a good lyricist? they could have posted everything on the tweet without the joni mitchell and fiona apple hate and it would have been perfectly fine. different lyrics speak to different people and all three artists are incredibly talented individuals (this part is also directed at the retweet).
That's a bullsh#t opinion. Taylor Swift doesn't come close Fiona Apple lyricism. Fiona Apple doesn't have to put her relationship on front ship for her next album.
Taylor Swift is a good business woman, but songwriting. She blah and basic. Millennial and Gen Z go listen to Phoebe Bridger or St Vincent.
I would rather listen to Brittney Spears for a whole year than Taylor Swift.
Shadowboxer greater than any Taylor's song from first album to her songs now.
All you Taylor Swift's fan get outta her bubble. There are great Millennial and Gen Z's songwriters that can put Taylor to shame. Courtney Barnett, Brittney Howard, St Vincent, Phoebe Bridger, girl in red, etc etc And I am naming artists from Millennial and Gen Z
Taylor Swift is not the end all. You can like her but damn there's better.
Please be serious Taylor isn’t even touching the platform that Fiona is standing on this is crazy
The wild thing about this to me is that there are so many contemporary female artists who would be more appropriate to compare to Fiona; Mitski, for one, or Adrienne Lenker of Big Thief.
Taylor Swift would be more appropriately compared to Liz Phair imo. Like, they’re personal, anecdotal lyrics. They’re about stories that really happened. As opposed to the atmospheric and poetic musings-on-a-theme that Fiona is known for.
Just for fun I’m going to cross-analyze two songs by the two women in question; Red Red Red and Red (feels obvious)
Red Red Red opens: I don’t understand about complementary colors and what they say / Side by side they both get bright, together they both get gray
Red opens: Loving him is like driving a new Maserati down a dead-end street / Faster than the wind, passionate as sin, ending so suddenly
So, they’re both about the same thing, then. Loving someone who’s no good for you. Consistently, Swift says the quiet part out loud; her lyrics are mostly exposition, even if the exposition is framed through metaphor. Apple just tells us the metaphor, and we understand what she means; she and her lover are the complementary colors.
In the next phrase, Fiona tells us: But he’s been pretty much yellow / And I’ve been kind of blue / But all I can see is red, red, red, red, red now / What am I gonna do?
It leaves us with questions: how has he been yellow? What does it mean to be yellow? Is he cowardly? Is he ill? Also, blue and yellow are not complementary; but like she says, she doesn’t understand about that. She’s just angry, and confused.
In Red’s chorus, Swift explains: Losing him was blue like I’d never known / Missing him was dark gray all alone / Forgetting him was like trying to know / Somebody you’ve never met / But loving him was red
Well, again, she tells us the quiet part. Blue = her deep sadness, “dark gray” = loneliness. This may be nit-picky, but I also feel that this color palette is less cohesive than the primary colors Fiona presents in Red Red Red. Maybe it’s intentional; the bright red of loving him feels so separate from the gloomy blue and dark gray of being without him. But more likely, she just didn’t think about color theory here. (Which is fine, she’s a singer, not a painter).
Taylor spends the next verse on similes, which are not particularly strong. “Fighting with him was like trying to solve a crossword / And realizing there’s no right answer”. Fiona’s next verse is the diamond verse - I’m trying to be unbiased here but it is one of my favorite verses ever written. I’m sure you all know how it goes.
Then we get to the bridges, the emotional crux of the songs, which again seem to convey a similar message; it’s time to move on, even if it’s hard.
Red Red Red: I don’t understand about the weather outside / Or the harmony in a tune, or why somebody lied / But there’s solace a bit in admitting to what’s fitfully, cryptically true / What’s happened has happened, what’s coming is already on its way / With a role for me to play / And I don’t understand, I’ll never understand, but I’ll try to understand / Nothing else I can do
Red: Remembering him comes in flashbacks and echoes / Tell myself it’s time now, gotta let go / But moving on from him is impossible / When I still see it all in my head / In burning red / Burning, it was red
Taylor Swift wants to /tell/ me /what/ she feels. Fiona Apple wants to /show/ me /how/ she feels. It always feels like Swift is desperate to control the narrative, to explain to us exactly what and why, and what we should think about it. Fiona just wants us to feel with her.
I do think Swift has some decent offerings, lyrically; I think she’s at her best on folklore’s “seven,” a song very sparse in its use of metaphor. But for every great Swift song, there are ten bad ones; and for every bad Swift song, there are ten great Apple ones.
That said, raw, naked emotion is not for everyone. I sang Paper Bag at a karaoke bar when I was twenty-one… it was not a vibe. Lol
This is bait. It has to be … it has to…
Taylor is nowhere near Fiona’s genius please stop talking and touch grass😌😌
Ooh, look what you made me do
Look what you made me do
Look what you just made me do
Look what you just made me...
Ooh, look what you made me do
Look what you made me do
Look what you just made me do
Look what you just made me do
Use folklore and evermore lyrics quick
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I agree and I love both of them. I was a fan of Fiona first since my teens, then I became a fan of Taylor in my 20s. The reason why people will not agree is simple: they record different types of music so Fiona never had to write a catchy pop song. Evermore has some of my favorite lyrics ever written though.
oh no…….
taylor is an excellent writer but fiona is unmatched
I have thought this forever. I'm not really a big Taylor fan, but her lyrics are complex, and the only reason anyone would say differently is conditioned misogyny. I've no doubt that Taylor could make an amazing artpop record, and maybe she will. But to look at, say, Criminal or Paper Bag and not see that those songs could be a #1 hit in the hands of someone who wanted that in the mainstream pop landscape is just in denial.
This is absolutely not the right place to post this lol, but as a huge fan of both Fiona and Taylor, I do think Taylor's highlights are outstanding, yes. Folklore and Evermore genuinely can stand shoulder to shoulder with a lot of Fiona's albums.
The thing is she also has a lot of silly songs that aren't aiming for depth and emotional profundity, they're just catchy pop bops, which Fiona doesn't really do. So that makes it easier for people to dismiss her work.
Yeah… I knew it was going to be an unpopular opinion, but I wanted to see how open minded Fiona’s fans are! Actually I would’ve probably been on the same boat as 90% of the commenters here are, but recently someone mentioned a Taylor lyric in convo, and I had misattributed it to another artist. When they corrected me I had realized how biased I was against her — I reevaluated my opinion and figured it wasn’t her writing I disliked, but just the sound. She really does write beautifully. I’m not even a Taylor fan either, just interested in the discussion!
Best comment on the comment section
in general, why are we pitting successful women against each other like this? All this Taylor hate is NOT it.
Exactly!
This is most certainly true but I feel like that's just Internet culture, human nature in general, to compare one thing to another.
But my preference is Fiona 100%
I love fiona, taylor and joni mitchell.
And I agree they're all goddess tier I love them. I think fiona explores different topics than taylor, and her lyricism is a different style and evokes different things.
I don't think there's need for comparison between these women, You can't compare 1989 and tidal. It's more appropriate to compare taylor's 2010s pop albums to other pop albums like katy perry's discography. And compare fiona to other alternative pop artists, like I think fiona and mitski is a better comparison.
Taylor creates sort of "scenery" and story in her songs and uses well known references and descriptions of situations which is typical of country and pop. Fiona's music feels like you're having direct communication in a way, or seeing an intimate moment in thought and concept which is just style and preference.
I wouldn't pit them against each other, but I would LOVE to hear them collab.
Same!!!
The difference is that Fiona writes all of her own lyrics and music, and plays every instrument. Taylor's songwriting credits are never 100% her own.
Sorry but… not true 😬 You should look up Damon Albarn’s comments on Taylor. Her response was so professional!
Mind you, she has an ENTIRE album written by her own, go do research before opening your mouth, I can't stand ignorants I swear.
I did look it up, and while I was wrong and can admit that, it doesn't mean that her music is creative by any stretch of the imagination. Fiona is an 'acquired taste' by many because she's so experimental that it's almost a turn-off, even to her fans. My first listen through Idler Wheel and FTBC was not well-received, but after multiple listens you begin to understand her genius.
Taylor makes music to make money. She was an industry plant and always will be. Fiona makes music just because. That's the difference.
Define industry plant? She's been making music since 2003, that girl is not an industry plant, can we stop being ignorant
I want to know your reasoning behind saying that...
Found this to be an interesting Taylor Swift lyric! I’m sure she’s a huge Fiona fan, but I wonder if there’s maybe more lyrical hints, since she’s known to do a lot of secret, hint-y stuff in her lyrics.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1smEhJo-iZ0wWTepkUIuHDxdReJg3jUcX/view?usp=drivesdk
Umm maybe a little more than equal
I’d argue that Fiona is a better songwriter all around but I enjoy Taylor too. They’re very different.
I think they’re both great, just in different ways
This seems like Matilda's problem more than anything. The fact that she can't name a Fiona or Joni song isn't something to brag about, but she doesn't know that. Also, why's it gotta be a competition in the first place?
Who cares. I don’t think either of these women would you pitting them against other women like this. Think about that!
hmm
The problem with Taylor’s songwriting is she will have really great lines like some of these in the same song as one of the worst lines you could think of. Like these screenshots to me are not really an accurate portrayal of her style.
Why is it a competition to begin with? You can enjoy one without hating the other. Appreciation of art isn't some limited novelty.
Joni Mitchell should legally be allowed to sh**t the person who said this about her 😭
???????? absolutely not
well that opinion IS unpopular
I take Taylor Swift seriously, but pretty much nobody is writing on the same level as Fiona.