Am I the only one who doesn’t hate this character?

If you hate him, he's doing a good job

If you like him, he's doing a good job

I think he’s a really cool character, but I hate him for what he took from us

I absolutely loved Bode. Not as a person, but as a well written and portrayed character that made me feel a lot of emotions. One of those being anger. I think some people don't separate out that you can *like* an antagonist for being a really good antagonist.

"Papa what's going on?"

"This is my best friend. We had a fight, but we'll get things settled. Won't we Cal?"

Man that exchange tore me up 😭 While I can't side with Bode or his decisions it still stung to lose him from our team. Some of the force echoes you find about him post game (particularly the singing one) also hit me hard.

People really thought his twist was obvious? I was appalled when he betrayed us. And then my jaw hit the floor when he turned out to be a force user.

I think he was an amazing character. I loved having him around. He and cal had great chemistry, was well written, very likable until his twist. And I still felt loss when we had to kill him in the end. I don't think they could've done much better with him. Thought him and the story as a whole was spectacular

I don't hate him. I hate his reasoning. Helping the Path doesn't mean that his daughter isn't going to be safe. Yeah, there would be a lot more people with knowledge of Tranalor but most of them would likely be on the planet itself. And it isn't like Cal and the others couldn't have controlled who had access to the planet with the compasses they were going to make.

He gave up friends and a future where he could BE a Jedi again. Where he could have been a mentor and model for Cal and the future generations of Jedi on that planet. Using the Force while having attachments and not falling to the Darkside. Instead, he got himself killed because he couldn't trust anyone.

Nah, I’m with you I thought he was a really compelling character.

Negative opinions tend to be elevated in discussion because when you dislike something you’re more likely to comment on it, I don’t think Hating Bode is the general consensus.

I don't hate him, it just hurt real bad.

No, you are not the only person who does not hate Bode's character. Is there some massive Bode hate campaign going around that I don't know about? I've seen zero people saying they hate his character.

Bode didn’t do any of this for Kata. He did it so he could have Kata close to him because he needs her, even though being with him is detrimental to her well being.

He cares about his child as an extension of himself not as an individual. He’s a narcissist. Comparing him to Joel is crap comparison. Joel actually loved Ellie and genuinely wanted the best for her, unlike Bode with Kata. Bode wants what’s best for Bode.

The only thing I disliked about the character was that I immediately could tell “I’m going to have to fight this guy at some point as he’s working for the empire.”

I don’t hate the character, I just hate how lazy the betrayal was. I saw it coming from almost the minute he was introduced, even the why if it, the only surprise was the Jedi-ness of it all.

I'll say it like it is: Bode is a nothingburger until he betrays you. His biggest contribution to the plot up until that point is being the source of your gun.

A gun that I don't know how you can't get a million other ways.

As for the twist: I applaud it for adding some depth to the character, but I hate it for having to take away the real interesting character of the game to make room. Oh and because Bode's plans make little sense.

Up to the end I kinda hoped that they could talk Bode down from his path, but his death was SUPER satisfying. I will say comparing Bode to Joel Is like comparing a book of matches to napalm; Joel did WAY worse than Bode did.

Bode is a great character. I don't hate the character, I hate what he did.

I don’t hate him. I just was a bit disappointed that the story went from totally unique to going back to empire stuff. Dagon shoulda been around longer

He’s a good character but I hate him as a person, which means he’s doing his job well. I don’t understand what Bode did though, even from his perspective as a father this is clearly insane. He’s totally out of control and paranoid to the point where he just sorta shuts his own daughter out and won’t listen to her, he makes up dilemmas for himself, acts pile he’s cornered when he’s being given an out and his solution is to just live on a whole planet totally alone I guess. Give it a few years I bet he’d end up like that crazy hermit on Koboh.

I can understand what Joel did. I can’t understand Bode, it’s going so far away from being rational or good for anyone that I just think he’s a maniac. He needed to die, and the way Kata reacts to his death is pretty telling.

I like Bode’s story but it is also so bizarre of a motivation that I can understand if people just don’t think it’s that good cause it’s so hard to believe anyone would realistically be this stupid. Personally I can believe someone would because there are some crazy fucking fathers out there

I didn’t hate him, I just didn’t really care for him. I dunno he was a forced friendship in my eyes, they wanted you to like him. To me it was plain something was going to happen, I didn’t see him being a force user though. Whenever any media does forced friendships it’s a big red flag for me. It would have hit me more if they didn’t like each other, than a camaraderie was formed, or if they just had him be a more active part of the story in general.

I really, really enjoy Bode as a character. The thing that makes me enjoy him the most is that, on some level, he's not wrong. He's not right, but given what Cal did with the Holocron, it would stand to reason that he'd make a safe haven for people, rather than try and rebuild the order.

Had Cal done that, Bode wouldn't have betrayed them, and I imagine they would have remained "best friends". I think he was absolutely sincere when he said that to Kata, btw.

Maybe he's just super manipulative, and insanely good at his job. I definitely think he had multiple routes planned out after the final battle with Dagan, and he was waiting for Cal's choice.

Had Cal been the same kid he was 5 years ago, things might have gone very differently. Bode's betrayal coming as a reaction to himself feeling betrayed is why I find him fascinating. Normally when a game has a twist and a betrayer, replaying then isn't enjoyable to me, because time spent with them feels wasted. With Bode I want to do a 2nd run, see the hints and foreshadowing. I want to know if he was sincere, or if he was using it as an excuse.

His decision was non-sensical. Literally all he had to do was say “hey, the imperials have my daughter as a hostage. Can you help me rescue her?” I loved him until he betrayed Cal now I despise him

Nowhere near the same.

They were literally actively about to cut open Ellie and kill her. Joel couldn't accept that even if it meant a cure, and he had next to no time to make a snap decision. Ultimately they would survive together as they always had up to that point regardless.

Kata was never in immediate danger. Sure the clock was ticking on Bode, but there was plenty of time for a calculated plan. An irrational snap decision like the one Joel made doesn't work here. The echos you find after the story about all the calculating Bode was doing prove it, and ultimately make it even worse. Why turn on everyone and peace out to live with his daughter all alone on some unknown planet? That was the plan? After all that calculating? Really?

It's an even starker death sentence than the one the Fireflies were going to inflict on Ellie. It makes zero sense, and solidifies Bode as one of the dumbest and poorly executed villains in recent memory.

It all feels like a woke attempt on commentary about toxic masculinity that, in the end, falls flat on it's face.

I just think it was stupid and unrealistic for him to double down at the end

But he had a choice to actually ask about Tanalor and let his reservations be known and plans to go there with his daughter or come clean before hand BUT instead invites the Inquisitors with Vader to come and kill everyone. Plus he actually kills a completely innocent man for what really is no reason.

So what he does is completely unforgivable and he could of tried to atone for it or come around and try to work it out but instead tries to kill his friend and take the whole planet for himself.

I don’t hate him but after all that he needed to die.

bode was an idiot who made sure his daughter would grow up an orphan for literally no reason.

his plan made zero sense.

So as some one who loves Joel and dislikes Bode but understands both of their choices as in (I’ll sacrifice everything for this person) the defining moment for me with Bode is him killing Cordova and then attacking everyone else. I’m pretty sure abode could have slipped away with the info/tech he needed at any point after the discovery was made on how to get there and escaped to Tanalor.

That plus, building an outpost of dissidents of the Galactic Empire seems way safer than just him and his daughter living in isolation hoping the Empire can’t find them. Best case scenario you hide from the Empire and some day die leaving your daughter all alone on this isolated planet unless she can figure how to get back and when she does get back she now has to integrate into a society she’s completely unprepared for.

So in the end Bode’s plan seemed like shit to me and his betrayal wasn’t forgivable.

Also I suspected him from the first moment he’s introduced because he was wearing the same shoulder rig as Bull Burr’s character in the Mandalorian. Which made me think (huh I wonder if that standard imperial issue) and then when he brought up his daughter and said “Someone else is watching her to keep her safe” that to me translated into she’s being held hostage.

Huge problem with the game is that all the antagonists do the "kick the dog" move that will instantly make you dislike them. God forbid we have nuanced villains and not black and white. Rayvis killing a guy who knew had just made an honest mistake "tO sEt aN eXamPLe"
Dagan instantly bleeding his lightsaber
Bode going full dark side and using force on his daughter.

They can all be compelling villains without these but not, they must kick the dog so the player hates them

He is a survivor. One of 3. Cal, Dagan and Bode.

For Dagan - surviving didn't do anything but hardening his obsession with Tanalorr.

For Bode surviving transformed him into a psycho with obsession and overprotection.

For Cal surviving taught him, that obsession leads to catastrophic event and pain to the close ones. Obsession with Empire, Tanalorr, you name it. He did got through it, but almost lost himself.

The bit I didn't understand was that he was deployed to spy on Cal and find out what they were up to essentially. He then decided, after finding out about Tanalorr, that he would steal that information for himself so him and his daughter could live there happily ever after, right?

Why did he not just tell Cal his plan so that they could all go together? The Empire wouldn't have been able to find them so what's the risk? You could see that he didn't want to kill/hurt Cal but he did it because he was thinking of Kata so why not just avoid that altogether?

Nah that was a good twist

Bode’s own daughter doesn’t really like him

Though Bode didn't exactly have the choice between Kata or the Galaxy, like Joel had the choice of Ellie or the world. If Ellie would have been okay after the surgery, Joel wouldn't have stopped the procedure whereas Bode would have.

I'd say Bode's situation is more like when Star Lord lashed out at Thanos when they had nearly got the gauntlet from him

Definitely unredeemable for what he did. You can't use the kid excuse to murder innocents. He was on the crew and had a safe place for him and Kata but got greedy

Honestly when I first saw him my wife and I figured he would betray us. We were thinking he’s probably gonna either a) betray us for money and not really have a daughter. B) take tanalor for himself and daughter. Or C) he’s gonna sacrifice himself. Once I got to the Dagon fight I thought he was gonna help Dagon for a second or sacrifice himself. Once the fight was over I figured he’d steal tanlor for himself and daughter since he seemed pissed about Cal’s idea. I never figured he was a spy for the empire or a force user though. Once he betrayed us I thought “oh well he’s gonna have some kind of trick up his sleeve, maybe he is a force user? Nahhhh I don’t think he is”

It didn't Bode well...

Nah as soon as he killed Cordova I wanted to behead him

I didn't hate him but that's kind of my issue too. I'm not moved by his character either way. I don't care about his kid. The betrayal caught me off guard but I felt it hard to empathize with any emotion surrounding Bode, and between him, Dagan and Rayvis he felt like the weakest antagonist of the three.

He's there. Not great, not terrible. I don't have a kid and don't like kids or child characters so it's sort of hard to get me to connect with that, and Kata only comes in at the end of the story so there's not enough time to make me care about her.

I loved him as a character. He was a great representation of the "bad dad protagonists" that have come up in recent games (Joel Miller being the best example), except rather than being the protagonist, the trope is deconstructed and he is explicitly the antagonist.

I had suspected all along that something was going to happen with him, but this was purely a gameplay thing. I theorized originally that he was going to die in a dramatic way. My reasoning? He wasn't an opponent in holo tactics. Merrin and Greez were, but you could not play against Bode. From a game design perspective, it's unfair (and therefore extremely uncommon) for an open world game to lock players out of gameplay rewards if they don't acquire them by a certain amount of time, therefore it's telling that Bode was the only crew member you couldn't play in holo tactics.

Nah, Bode had about the dumbest storyline I've seen in a while. Let's give a man a reason for revenge! Then let's turn him into a cuck for the baddies. It made no sense. I loved the story for Fallen Order. The story for Jedi Survivor was not good imo. I thought they had a good villain in Dagan Gera. They threw that out and went with the Bode garbage.

I didn't like Bode because the character just didn't ring true for me. Out of nowhere, your good friend throughout the game is a traitor and a jedi and more powerful than Vader and a great dad. It served the plot of an all-powerful unexpected enemy, but it's just too much packed into a single character to be believable to me. They should have at least given him some kind of artifact that explained how he was suddenly so powerful at the end, but they didn't even do that.

Aside from that, prior to his betrayal he's just a nothing character with not a damn thing that's interesting about him.

I hated him from the very first second. Hated everything about him. Knew inmediately that he was gonna Spoilerin some way. Had no background, not a real reason to go to all that trouble, and tried to hard to be friends with everyone. Hated all his jokes also.

I don't hate bode, he just wasn't very compelling to me. But I understand why he was there so Im not complaining about him

I think the question is: do you appreciate Bode as a villain?" "Like" kinda misconstrues the character and situation, doesn't it?

Bode was a fine villain, and they did a good job building him as a villain, but they didn't quite land things right for me in this game. Eno Cordova just.. showing up was weird. Having him killed off was... well kind of without fanfare. Like, they put him there for Bode to kill someone important. The lead off of a High Republic Jedi returning to the modern era just to die really quickly was a let down. They had awesome elements, I just don't know if they mixed them together well. This game focused far more on action than puzzles compared to the last (at least felt like that).

So Bode in here is awkward. We only learn of his daughter when he's just about to betray us. I'd argue the foreshadowing is off-kilter about his betrayal, too. Like, we don't ever really deal with the ISB knowing anything about us. Getting components of the Path caught might have really helped build that up. Seeing more war or tension between ISB or Inquisittors might have helped too.

The only bit I didn't really like was that his ENTIRE motivation was his daughter. There was so little he did for himself and man's couldn't go more than 2 sentences without mentioning her. He felt less like his own autonomous person and just Kata's dad. It'd have been really cool to learn about HIM. There was an entire treasure trove of possibilities to explore with his character. His inner conflicts with what he was doing, how he got so good with blasters and a jetpack, how long had he been hiding, what kind of person was he before he had to rely on the Empire like did he always have a pension for poor judgement calls or was the idea of protecting Kata THAT important it drive him to near insanity, etc. Like when he gives Cal the blaster and he's like "I don't know man Jedi don't really use stuff like this", I want to see Bodes experience with giving up on the Order's teachings and committing to doing what he has to in order to survive. The ENTIRE story was about Cal doing that same thing for noble means, give us the flip side of how dangerously close Cal is at all times to not being any better. I wasn't totally sold on Bode being a good person that had to give up his humanity out of desperation because Bode doesn't seem to think he's wrong. Makes it a little less morally grey and easier to agree that he's a bad person but loses a small layer of character depth.

There's a lot of comparisons to Joel but Joel knew what he did was horrible and unforgivable. But he knew he had no choice a lot of times and couldn't bring himself to tell Ellie what he did. And when she pressed him, he eventually cracked. Bode yeeted his own kid because he wouldn't let the one thing he wouldn't shut up about tell him that he's wrong. I know the takeaway is supposed to be that he's probably only using Kata to justify his own selfish wants but those seeds aren't planted earlier. It's either make him completely obsessed with the idea of Kata being the only thing that matters to where he gives up his entire identity for her and that's his downfall or hint that he's actually really selfish and unapologetically evil. The latter is what I thought they were going for since he got really quiet whenever his wife was brought up. I was anticipating him to have killed her and the reveal was going to be him being an actual psychopath.

Tldr, I don't dislike him at all but I definitely think there was missed potential to go from a really good character to an absolutely excellent one

I wish he’d been an option to be with, like Merrin. Don’t get me wrong, she’s great. But damn they had some chemistry

I think the story in the game was very well acted and written. That being said, I wished they would've swapped Dagan and Bode. Bode could have literally the same impact without being the last boss. Dagan could've been developed to be the last boss, and even still somehow be alive for the next game or whatever, and all of Bodes arc would still be literally the same. Bode could be Dagans right hand after Rayvis dies or something after Dagans illusions became the final straw for Bode.

It would make much more sense to have it that way for me.

The more I think about it the moral of this story is that its impossible to step away from jedi teachings without becoming bad. Unless youre Cal. Cal can use the dark side and a blaster and have a girlfriend and murder hundreds of people but as long as he lets the commander go to get tortured by vader hes a good guy?

Everyones all "but Bode pushed Kata!" - and Im like "yeah away from a jedi using the dark side

Star Wars began with the redemption of a father. Now the last few weeks Ive had teenagers telling me how normal it is for fathers to get overprotective and have to be put down. And they ALWAYS have to invent some detail to make Bode a bad guy. (My favorite was the kid who tole me Bode was bad because he wanted Kata to grow up on a planet with no infrastructure. At a jedi temple. Lol)

I really hope part 3 begins with Kata on a payphone to Vader to come get this asshole that killed her dad right in front of her

Immediately I felt I couldn't trust him but over time he made me doubt if he was actually going to betray me and maybe I'm just too suspicious of people. I liked the character.

Immediately I felt I couldn't trust him but over time he made me doubt if he was actually going to betray me and maybe I'm just too suspicious of people. I liked the character.

Cool motive, still betrayal

He punched BD1. That’s where I draw the line

I honestly never saw the twist coming. It’s one of those things that is obvious on a second playthrough, but not on the first.

I loved the game, I just thought bodes decision didn’t make sense at all. They were going to use Tanalorr as a hideout for everyone, a seemingly inaccessible hideout at that. it’s a PLANET. Even is Bode wanted nothing to do with the Hidden Path, him and Kata could’ve found a different part of the planet to camp out in.

I am glad he died however cuz now in the second game we can have Cal train Kata and maybe get a second playable character which I think would be awesome

Meh, he’s portrayal prior betrayal is cliche and boring,didn’t invest jack shit onto him due to lack of screen time as well so he’s automatically a piece of shit to me after killing Cordova

It’s not that, it’s just a bit silly writing.

He ultimately wanted a safe place for his daughter away from the Empires reach. They found a safe planet outside of their reach as it’s only possible to navigate it with extremely specific co-ordinates with a super skilled pilot on a smaller vessel. The Empire wouldn’t be able to send huge transports of Destroyers there as they’d be obliterated.

Even if they managed to get some through, this would be a planet full of people in a resistance against the Empire. Jedi, militants (sure civilians but it would be logical to also learn how to defend yourself for protection). Anyone who arrived would have been met with an entire planet fighting the scraps that somehow made it through.

What safer place in the galaxy exists compared to that concentrated force?

It’s just illogical that Bode can’t see this, knowing that he and Cal would obviously be the primary defenders leading this force, and that Kata wouldn’t be growing up alone. She’d have friends, she’d be safe, warm and comfortable. My problem is that it feels like Bode was written to fulfil the plot twist purpose without any rational reason for doing what he does. Bad writing on that part.

I think the big difference between Joel and Bode is that in the Last of Us we spend almost the entire game building up the relationship with Joel and Ellie. We see how Joel goes from wanting nothing to do with her to being able to open up and really see her as another daughter. With all that his motivations at the end of the game make sense and most of us were probably on his side even though we knew that what he was doing was objectively wrong. We didn't want to see Ellie die or to see Joel lose another daughter.

With Bode we never really see his relationship with his daughter, we are just told about it so when he does the wrong thing for her we don't have the same emotional investment that we did with Joel and Ellie. With Joel we understand that after being unable to save Sarah he couldn't lose Ellie too because we saw all that. We saw Sarah die in Joel's arms and we saw how close he became with Ellie, especially after almost losing her once before. Even if we don't agree with his choice to save Ellie, we still understand it. With Bode it seemed like he had other options. He didn't need to betray his friends, he didn't need to take his daughter to the hidden planet all alone to protect her. To me it all just felt like they decided they wanted a betrayal at the end of the game and just kind of wrote around that idea instead of properly building it up and having his motivations actually make sense.

Yes the idea that he needs to protect his daughter is understandable but none of the choice he makes in order to do that make much sense at all.

I hate all of the characters as they are all shallow, ultra safe and boring. Don’t get me wrong as I very much like this game cause of the gameplay

I dont hate him or his motives, he's just dumb with the ideia of raising a child alone in a desolated planet.

I think they tried to hard with Bode. He had decent motivations but his actions really didn’t make sense. Gonna protect his daughter by getting himself killed? It’s just a little ridiculous. Reminds me of Anakin and his obsession with protecting Padme but killing her in the process. One of the most meme’d things about the prequels and they copy/pasted it

I never understood Bode as a Charakter. I don't think his motivation to keep Kata safe but live a life completely alone on a remote planet is believable. What kind of life would that be?
As a father myself I wouldn't want my child to grow up without any other human being being around.
I also didn't understand why this (already unbelievable) goal would suffer if the path could use the planet as a hideout. Wouldn't that even make it better as his daughter wouldn't be alone?

Last but not least even if you ignore all that. A lightsaber gets red if you're full of hatred. But Bode is only full of love for his daughter. He's even blinded by this love. There is absolutely no reason why he should consider himself a "bad person" by any means. So why should he have a red sabre?

I played the game until the last fight against Bode, but after not winning this fight in the first 2-3 tries I didn't even continue to see the end just because I found everything about the situation and about Bodes character completely unbelievable.

He's another interesting example of how far a Jedi could fall to the dark side and twist themselves into something else just to survive. He and Trilla are great examples of how horrible the reign of the Empire is and the dire circumstances for the Jedi and Galaxy as a whole.

He's a great foil to Cal and you can tell by the end of the game how Bode's views and actions have pushed Cal and made him question who he is, what he's doing, and how he as changed since his Jedi upbringing and the ideals he once held.

All this yip yapping means nothing.

Joel/Bode was just trying to make the best of a bad situation.

Quite like John Marston before them, it didn't end well.

He's a sympathetic villain. You can understand why he did what he did, but there were other, less destructive paths that he could have taken.

I hate what he did, but I love his character. He was masterfully written, and masterfully played.

As a father, I can understand why he did what he did, because anyone else would do the same for their kids and they’re lying if they say they wouldn’t.

However, I don’t think he’s a genuinely bad person, he was just dealing with the hand he was dealt.

I couldn't pick up on it either. His betrayal was a MASSIVE surprise to me and goddammit did I cry. He was an awesome character just trying to help his daughter.

Bode’s story is v interesting and down to earth. His relationship w his daughter reflects a lot w a lot of desperate parents in war who wants to keep their loved ones safe. Star Wars need to venture more into realistic scenarios like Andor and truly show the cost of war.

Bode is central in the story as a villain, because each of the three main villains highlights one aspect of Cal.

Dagan's obsession with Talanor mirrors Cal's obsession with fighting the Empire.

Ravis's adherence to his personal code mirrors Cal's adherence to the Jedi code.

Bode shows where Cal's path will lead him if he doesn't change: willing to sacrifice anything for his goal and ultimately falling to the dark side.

Bode is a man who let his loss become an obsession. I can’t condone his actions, but it’s very easy to see what led to them. I don’t hate Bode Akuna, I pity him.

I don’t hate him, not by a long shot; I hate what he did because he felt he had to. And that’s GREAT writing.

Tbh he was written extremely well. And his arc overall was damn good. I just wished he lived so I can see him in live action.