What is going on with this fight its driving me crazy trying to get it done with randoms the amount of people trying to use fire/patk cloud do they not understand that shiva is weak to matk fire and all their attacks get blocked.
"Welcome to ever crisis where cloud is the most used character and the points don't matter"
Just like sephiroth 'cant read'
Which shiva co-op, very hard or ex?
Cloud with the right gear is definitely easy to use on very hard.
Ex on the other hand was a nightmare. I had a strong Zack and lucky enough to pair with a strong Aerith and Matt with all the right gear.
Get on discord and someone will definitely help you.
The ex one sorry i should of put it in the title.
I've got a fairly strong zack and red so I did ex Shivas for 'fun' and help out randos. I have never succeeded with fire cloud, though I got close with the one using bandaged. If peps are using fire cloud, this is a sign they don't understand mechs and will be a hindrance lol. Ex fights need a lot of utility, so cloud would be more useful in this fight as healer/mdef buffer + use defaith/fira materia, and leave the dps for zack/aerith.
What are the best setups?
I've never been good at proper loadouts, so any advice would be a big help!
You pick an option:
Dps - high magic fire. Eg zack or Aerith with at least ob6 fire weapons
Healer - ideally can also buff mdef or debuff matk eg red, matt, Aerith, Tifa or cloud all possible
Fire debuffer - also aim to fill in one of the buff/debuff roles above if not filled by healer eg red (best), seph, yuffie. This is the least important role, since fire breach is enough if the dps is high enough
Thanks! I will be a better co-op partner thanks to you!
Excuse me!! What about doggo!!! He imperils, debuffs, and decent damage!!!
I honestly feel like the biggest issue with the Shiva EX fight is no one being able to withstand that first Diamond Dust. While everyone is forced to take it because of silence. When I finally got into a team that we all could survive, the fight wasn't too bad.
If you manually target yourself with Esuna silence as soon as you get 3 bars then you will heal the silence and then you can use MDEF up or something to survive it. Or Tifa/Red/Lucia can use physical MATK down and not need Esuna.
Maybe it's because I play on mobile, but I did try this. As I read it could work. I don't doubt that it works. Maybe my timing just sucks. However, I personally could never get it off before silence started. It also seemed like no one else would do it. Hence, I finally managed to beat it when I got a random team that could just survive it.
Funny enough I had two people carry me from the unofficial discord. One was a glass cannon Zach that died to the first diamond dust, I revived him but ultimately we lost because I panicked and healed during the sigil phase. Second try he died again to it and I kind of facepalmed but ultimately we won because I wasn’t a panicky Pete during the sigil phase that time.
Edit: Ugh. Just read you said “no one” not “some people”. Your point definitely stands.
where else can you get shitshow galore except through ex coop :D wait till you get triple lightning zacks in ex levi without a single person willing to swap to healer or debuffer because.
Dude. Any reason to swap to a healer? I'm there.
Im after been trying it for an hour its nearly nothing but clouds and even when you get someone else their not attacking just spamming esuna silence and not casting mdef up.
yea well ex fights are not meant to be cleared with randoms. I'll maybe check out the fight on random queue but I'd never expect it to be actually cleared with a random party. Unless you're a whale who also miraculously get matched with whales and the party miraculously tailored the party to fit every requirement of the fight, there's literally very little chance of success. VH is the highest that can be cleared in rando groups imo.
I cleared all other ex fights with randoms except for this one yet.
same here, though i think there's only been two ex coops, right? leviathan and shiva. though i've ran shiva for 2 extra clears with randoms for fun.
still, ex coop is completely manageable with randoms. i refuse to use the discord since i'm sure it will bring more headaches even if it would eventually get a clear. i also don't want to be carried and those are usually the first type of players to jump to help. which is cool, but not for me. randoms are just more satisfying.
good for you. good luck in your queues then.
Most of the time i find people who switch charachters. depending on the lobby i always try to set up a few myself for each battle this one just seems way harder with the fight mechanics.
Hey if you still need help I can join random lobbies right now. I'll join with a powerful Fire Aerith, but can switch to a healer Matt or debuff Red if needed.
(I was currently farming the regular coop Shiva so it's the same for me)
Ill jump in now
I created another lobby:
id: 81334774
Give me one sec
I don't mind helping, I have a debuffer red I can bring or healer tifa, average magfire unit. I'm around for next half HR tops though.
I couldn't find lobbies so I created one:
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Hmm can't find you neither on public lobbies nor in the one I create chances are you haven't seen the messages for having the app open. In 20 minutes with the change of hour I'll be both here and in the app if you want to create a lobby etc.
A lot of people generally don't care about the difference between physical fire and magical fire because most of the time it doesn't matter and their magical fire wasn't built up or pulled on.
EX Co-ops are always a shitshow with random people, hit up the co-op channels in the unofficial discord.
I'll have to set up discord so.
Hey mate, Ryder here! Come join our Discord you’ll easily find a group of people who know what they’re doing! Won’t ever have to worry about mindless bots in PUG’s again haha
This crash co-op and Shiva Ex were the first time I went to the discord and asked for help.
And I’m antisocial as fuck, so that’s how bad it was.
Both those fights are just dumb in random co-op. Too much co-ordination and fight knowledge required.
Anyway. Had a blast on discord. So to be honest go there to help with your co-op woes. Plenty of people there willing to help out if they can.
She’s weak to magic, but most people bring physical attack to avoid her fog effects. It only matters in the EX fight though. Otherwise, physical fire fire still destroys her. The EX fight isn’t something I’d do with randoms anyway. Quite hard to get a good team with proper gear like that. I feel like you’re just wasting your time if you’re trying to do the EX fight with randoms.
It had my head wrecked thankfully i got help from two legends on here and we were able to slaughter shiva with 2 aeriths and red the battle played out perfectly.
EX I tried a few times and got fire Clouds on the team. Gave up.
Very Hard was a fucking pinata of memories that helped me finish her whole stream. Very grateful, but to Shiva, not to the fire Clouds that still showed up.
Them 500 memories would be nice im just not sure its worth the mental torture.
That's about 7-8 Very Hard runs with no cactars. I decided it wasn't worth it. Especially with all the stamina pots the crossover event gave us.
Fire cloud is the only fire damage i have at all, i don't have any magic fire builds that even come close, even including shiva's resistance to phys damage, it's just a sad state in general, i've had aerith's egg wand on wishlist for a long time and can't seem to pull any copies
If you don't have fire damage, you bring a support to the EX. You don't bring Cloud unless you gear him as a healer with crystal + bandaged.
Oh i personally haven't bothered with the shiva co-ops because even if i bring a support i don't trust people to bring proper dps, but i definitely would just take aerith in anyway if i did xD
I'm happy just waiting to farm shiva out later, no rush at all
I can tell you what the problem is, nobody equips ice resist gear to survive the initial hit, nobody brings a MATK break and most importantly nobody brings a weapon that gives everyone a magic barrier, the last one is the most important part because she will eventually debuff everyone with a -3 magic defense.
It makes me happy I farmed Shiva already, because coop shiva is so slow and painful.
They really need to fix comms in this game if you could even text ingame it would be a million times better.
How do we know if it’s magic vs physical? I didn’t know! But I want to know! I want to be useful!
If you click this icon it will open up a menu with the bosses picture then click the picture and it will give you a description like this picture below
As you can see her force gauge can only be depleted with magic attacks.
EX fight shouldn't even exist. There are hardly any viable F MATK Banners were launched at decent time. Most of them occurred after a much more popular banner.
I wish the Coop was more like DFOO in its execution. Easy to jump in, booster characters to make it a little easier and FAST! Let's not forget the stickers.
Co-OP needs such a huge rehaul it's not even funny. Searchable lobbies, vote to start so Johnny No fingers doesn't hold up a whole lobby, and better ways to communicate. The game can't even be tabbed for more than 3 seconds before it resets making sharing lobby passwords in Discord a nightmare.
Hi Fellow dffoo refugee. Indeed, the only thing I don’t miss about DFFOO fights are that it took an eternity. Like bosses are literally HP sponges, other than that all is good.
Go to the unofficial FF7EC discord server. Easier to setup team and get carried in crash battles.
I'll check it out.
I’ve been searching for party on and off for days. Never one formed. What level?
What do you want from them? You just expect that they have a good magic setup or magic fire weapons? Because most people do not, aeriths fire shit is too new to have been pulled to reasonable levels from tickets etc if you didn't pull on her banner - I do not have a single 5 star egg staff still.
They're bringing their strongest character, their physical cloud who does half damage is almost certainly still better than the magic setup they can cobble together.
And to the obvious "well just bring support instead then" why do you think they have a good enough support setup either? The best way to clear ex's has been 1 dps 1 healer 1 debuffer so far, but the bar for each of these roles is pretty high in terms of gear still
Welcome to evercrisis where cloud is the most used character regardless of the fight and tifa has the most money spent on and red and barret need more banners and boss mechanics are hard to read.