Hello everyone !
First of all sorry for my bad english but I wondered what is a "normal" tax in a wormhole ?
In mine (living in a C4 with an Astrahus) all members have to pay 50 millions per month (fuel) + 50% tax for combat sites in our staging system and the corp also keeps 100% loot in pvp if we win.
I feel like it s a lot, I already paid more than 600 millions in 3 days.
Thanks !
Yeah, this is outrageous. Even in a class 1, regular activity should provide enough isk to keep the lights on. I've lead wormhole operations myself and the only time I taxed more than 10% was if we had a corporate goal we were trying to accomplish and the majority of members agreed with.
Send me a PM if you are interested in a corporation that doesn't blatantly take advantage of its members. Include the corporation you are in so we can add them to our list of potential eviction targets. I'll see to it that you are given a more than fair amount of the spoils.
I see The Initiative once again is taking The Initiative
In all seriousness though, OP do tell who is being this extortionate on you, they deserve more than any other alliance to get walloped on. You will also get a share of the compensation for being the whistleblower.
If you find out who it is send me a pm. I belong to a wormhole pvp corp and i imagine leadership would love to help in that eviction. ESPECIALLY if they retaliate. We love us some pod goo. Hate seeing people taken advantage of. Especially by their own corpos
Having a place to dock is valuable but it’s not 600m in 3 days valuable lmao
Yip its a fucking scam for sure
My brother. You need better friends.
Those aren't friends they're pimps. And hell, even most of those offer better rates.
Hey can you DM like actual non meme evidence and a Jcode?
I smell an eviction? OP send this man the evidence - sweet sweet space justice
This reminds me why wormhole space is the best space in the game.
DM me if you need more dudes.
I will sign back up for Eve just to join this eviction.
+1 if you need more
Same I want in.
Pls let me join eviction. DM.
+1 dm as well
I too wish to participate in the eviction. Please DM when ready. My corp will happily assist.
Cannot offer a corporation, but i can offer a good ship and a desire to free our brothers. DM me if you need more men.
I'll bring to force all my lowsec alliance mates
+dm for one more
I’m not speaking on Behalf of WHPD, just on my own behalf, But I would love to join this if possible. Scummy Null behavior in WHs
+1 im down for a npsi eviction
I'll just join the eviction as 11th party, because those taxnumbers are horrendous.
+1 DM me if you want extra dudes.
I volunteer as tribute to evict these scums
Fuck it, I'll sign back up to get in on this
If it's soon, put my name down and DM me.
If u need more bodies I can toss 5 to 6. Fugging over bros is unacceptable
Hmu if you need more dudes. My current corp left a similar establishment and we'd be happy to partake, even if it's not many of us
I'll re sub to join the NPSI eviction shenanigans
Oh yeah what it do I'm in
Sign me up
Yeah, I'd resub to join in on this 🎉
I wanna join the bang train
I wanna join the bang train
I would reboot my accounts for this. Let me know lol
I’d attend this eviction
+1 I'll resub for this. I'll need a corp tho. I'm homeless. No need to read into that statement.
In on this if you need a +1
And my axe!
+1 to help
Goddammit, don’t make me resub, I don’t want to relapse after 5 years
I dont want my corporation to get evicted. Members dont deserve this and some members directly own some structures.
Are you even sure the members are even members, or are they the same multi boxer?
I understand your concerns, but the reality is here you are being used as a cash cow for what is likely a single person.
I would also like to remind you if you decide to let us help you and enter the wormhole this corp uses, it will be as a war of liberation and not of conquest, any members proved to have played no part or have not been a benefactor in this scam will be left untouched.
We understand your hesitation and its nice to see you care for your corpmates who are just like you getting scammed. Can you convince them to evac their stuff and look for a better corporation ? If the corp member with a Raitaru dont want to lose it there might be some arrangement that can be made to help him keep it or at least get reimbursed for it.
Don't look at it as an eviction. Look at it as a liberation. I don't want to put words in other people's mouths, but I'm pretty sure you guys would have a free structure donated to those that wanted to keep the wormhole without your current leadership. Wormhole space can be cutthroat, but most of us are good dudes at heart. We hate to see scammers prosper.
The fees aren't sustainable to where they would be real people.
No one in the game is paying 50% taxes to someone else then putting structures up in their space, they would be super poor.
anybody who isnt part of the scam is instead being scammed you would long term be helping those people out in reality also if a structure belongs to a player and not a corp who is an innocent party then make sure thats noted and their structure likely would be left alone
If you get that jcode send it to me please. Id love to watch or participate in a potential eviction
Add me to the list.
Count me in.
+1 sign me up
Add me to the list as well o7
DM for +1, if you end up evicting them
+1
ill pull up too
Yo I’m not a wormhole guy but I’ll happily join in for this bullshit
Pm me mate if that evidence comes through, we will help out
Lmao you're paying for your CEOs injectors my man.
I don’t know much about docks/fuel but does 50m a month make any sense at any scale?
A wormhole corp should not be charging direct taxes in any circumstance unless it's maybe for a shared farmhole or something like that. Fuel is cheap that if it's some dumb industry krab corp they can pay for it with service taxes. The 50% combat loot is mostly the problem though. It's ludicrous. The loot should go to the FC or to the scout who found the content to distribute, otherwise there's not a reason to scout the chain for content.
Also the home site tax is absolutely insane if the corp doesn't have a bunch of farmholes.
I run my c4 with c2-5 corp
I don't tax anyone for that shit lmao. 1% market, 1% pi, .25% industry
No ratting tax?
For what lol, just bring in some fuel once in a while when you're hauling.
No SRP? No HD fleet for handouts, etc?
We play like a group of friends not like a business. BYOB but we share everything anyway.
This is a completely valid way to play. Higher taxes (10-20% range) with more services (SRP/handouts/large corp assets like provided eviction citadels/etc) are also completely valid.
At 50% tax I expect fully kitted PVP ships to be delivered to my hangar every other day. With an order form if I want something special. Unreal.
nope
Time to find a new corp homie. Name and shame the scumbaggery.
THIS
You are being scammed, name and shame so we know to avoid them (or blow them up) in the future
This is a straight up robbery lol. That's awful.
my man
you are 100% being scammed.
Leave immediately and find some better friends.
What's the tax for sites not in the hole? Some corps have high taxes on home anomalies because they don't want you to run them generally (unless it's a farm hole)
Why?
Generally when you're doing sites in a hole you want to roll off connections and not warp them to have it be as safe as possible. Doing that in home hole means an empty chain where people can't even leave without compromising the safety of the site runner. You generally don't want to roll home holes unless it's to look for content since it cuts off any scanned chain stuff.
Just rat in home with chain open.
That way you're the bait and can provide content to your Corp members too!
Exactly! The risk is not losing my ship. The risk is not having content for me and my allies. Also, i live in lower class Wormholes, so i don't have to bring out the big boys for some anoms.
Tax? In a wormhole?
Oh man, let's have the biggest eviction party ever.
Dude, I don't even need to have lived with a corp in a WH to know you're getting scammed.
600m in 3 days includes pvp loot? Cause 100% pvp loot to corp is kinda normal.
Ours is 100% to corp if it's a proper form. Day to day ganks and scuffles, whoever finds it FCs it and keeps the loot and can do whatever with it.
Yeah. It's good practice to give isk to the rollers/scanners/hunters to incentivize people to actually create content.
You find it. We kill it. You keep it.
Yup. The only variation I've had from dead even splits was triple shares to the hunters, and an extra share to the hic if we called to scramble one. Only time I understand corp keeping all is if they're footing the bill for replacement ships for hunters and roles.
for ganks, for us, the one that scouted gets it. He can choose to split
600M is coming from the 50% tax. Im not counting de pvp loot in it.
Yeah, man. It's a scam. Find some better friends. The first wormhole corp I was in had some outrageous tax rates, too. I thought it was just a wormhole thing. It's not. It's greed. Someone's getting rich from you.
It’s a scam then.
You definitely need to be getting more out of the deal. If there is ship SRP and free hulls to hand out to you when it’s time to fight, it might be more worth it but there are plenty of others who would give you a better deal.
No SRP and no free hulls unfortunatly !
Aw man. I feel even worse for you now. Get out while you can!
You're getting dicked over by your corp. I bet the officers and CEO all have the fanciest ships and all the officer bling while you struggle to make money.
Wow, that's extortion. Its 10% across the board for us
Even 10% seems extremely high.
Depends on your services. Our corp has been at 15% for a long time (recently dropped to 10%) and I feel we all benefit greatly from the services provided.
I'm happy to pay taxes if I feel I'm getting my money's worth. There's essentially no level of services that are going to make 50% worth it.
Fair enough. I'm in a low tax, low service corp.
Lol wut 10%?
0 Tax of any kind. 100% SRP except if you've done something really stupid. Sometimes get handouts. Ez life.
Many corps will tax home sites heavily for SRP. Do you get SRP at all for pvp losses? Usually the tax is much lower for chain sites, like 5-10% or something. 50m a month for fuel seems fair, if theyre doing the hauligg and all.
The home sight thing actually does make sense and is consistent with a lot of wormhole corps I know. Most corps will reserve home hole sites for the SRP wallet, and members will only make full isk in static sites. 50m/month per player does sound like a lot though, depending on corp size, that is kinda suspicious. And that's usually covered out of taxes too.
If you get full SRP it's fairly reasonable. Most people are just used to very rich/generous alliances that have a bevy of farmers relative to pvp content. To judge whether this is a scam, you'd actually need to see the Alliance financials.
So everyone pays 50 million monthly for fuel? Sounds like they are turning a profit off of just that, or you guys have a few structures, or your corps small. How big is the corp?
Besides fueling structures what does your tax cover. 100% PvP loot going to the corp is a good deal if your whole fleet is SRPed. But if you're not getting anything it's a scam
Our fleet is not SRPed. We have an astrahus and a raitaru. The raitaru was bought by a member and he has to pay for the fuel too.
Pack your shit, leave, then put them on blast.
You'll find better friends
Yeah they either have like 2 members or are just playing space scam tycoon
Wondered why I hadn't seen CODE in HiSec lately. Sounds like they went from religious fanatic scamming to ParkingHoleBros.
This tax structure is perfectly reasonable if you are the only person in Corp.
That’s way high.
Ouch, we didn’t tax blue loot at all, but occasionally I would run a “for corp” ratting op where all the blue loot and salvage from our static would go to fund fuel and SRP
People are paying tax?
all members have to pay 50 millions per month (fuel)
This is kind of normal, you have to pay for fuel somehow
50% tax for combat sites in our staging system
This is kind of high, your ceo clearly doesn't want you running home sites.
If you were in a high class hole and they didn't have other taxes this would make sense. In a C4 with the other taxes it's pretty extreme.
the corp also keeps 100% loot in pvp if we win.
Does the corp offer any hand out PvP hulls? Having Sabres/logi/bhaals/rollers/home defense ships you can hand out in an emergency is pretty standard and needs to be paid for somehow.
I already paid more than 600 millions in 3 days.
Either cheat on your taxes or just run sites in your static dude wtf.
I'd also note that if you live in a 4-3/5 both of your statics have better sites than your home hole. You choose to live in a C4 for the statics not the home sites.
The ceo clearly doesn't want you running home sites, I'd ask him about why and where the isk goes.
There are legitimate expenses that need to be paid. It also might just be a bs cash grab. If he doesn't have a good answer or there is no way to verify his answer I'd lean towards being a cash grab.
I wondered what is a "normal" tax in a wormhole ?
This varies A LOT by the kind of corp and where they live.
A "typical" set up for a quasi Krab corp is a buy back for everything (gas / blue loot) at 90% jita buy, maybe running home sites as a group to fund large goals (a fort/HD doctrines/caps etc) and some kind of split between the corp, FC, and scout on PvP loot
It could also be funded 100% by a directors farm hole and donations
Name and shame
Dude. My corp does weekly ratting to pay for corp stuff. Other than that, it's 0% tax on everything.
Yea this makes sense to me, small corp goal's and 0% tax
Our tax is set to 1% for services like pocos/manufacturing and the like. We do have a buyback at 10% tax but it's optional. Though most people do it anyway because of the combination of not having to haul stuff and contributing to the corps growth.
I am living in c4. We pay 150 mio per month per person (alts doesnt matter). This pays for structures and home defense ships
We have an alliance buyback for sleeper salvage and gas. A few private buybacks for various stuff. Pvp loot goes to the person who found it first.
50% tax on combat sites is a scam.
That's also kinda a lot if it's just going for fuel and HD ships... I would actually rather just the high tax on homesites or reserve them for corp in a 4.
50% tax on home sites I think is fairly standard. There shouldn't be a tax on static sites tho. Are there taxes on PI, indy?
That's a massive scam dude. Leave now.
50% on home combat sites is ridiculous, Novac only does 20% and that's because they (used) to brawl SYNDE all the time and have an srp program. If your corp doesn't often brawl AND taxes that much yeah get the hell out of there.
In my corp only 3 tax:
Also for industry and PI 0%
Bruh our tax is optional
Typically most WH corps tax PI. And if u kill stuff in gangs all loot goes to the corp, but u are also eligible for SRP. If u kill stuff solo, u keep everything,but won't get SRPed, if u die.
If money runs low, some corps also like to do PVE events where the corp gets everything (eg farm a C5 for 2 hours with most corp members).
That’s too much.
My brother in christ you are being exploited. That's a ridiculous amount of taxes. In all honesty taxes should exceed 10% especially if the only thing you're benefiting from is a place to dock essentially.
15% should be the maximum
100% PvP loot goes to corp when in fleets
In return we get 100% SRP on all doctrine ships
100% PvP loot only applies when in a proper fleet
If u kill a ratting marauder u happen to come across its all yours
Your being scammed. We don't pay anything. Corp has its own ways of making isk
I live in a small WH with some friends. When stuff is needed we all pitch in. We make enough so everything gets paid. If fuel runs low pur CEO just sends out a call and gets flooded with ISK. Same for all other stuff.
That’s a huge amount! We run a buyback program where everything is sold at 90 percent of the Jita price
Mostly 10% is the maximum I see but nothing as outrageous as this.
Lol. People I know have free use of my hole. (OK, that does not sound good thinking about it xD) I don't expect anything in return, but an occasional dst of fuel dumped into the Corp hangar on their way back from jita.
I assume this is just a farm hole?
Yes
When i used to live in Wormholes, we would go rat regularly in C5 and the corp got on the payout sheet as another player and we used to produce T2 Hulls with the salvage
salvage)
1% and 0% Poco tax, we keep pvp loot for corp and a bit of C5 runs. Should be normal. Your corp is just a scam. If you are french or french speaking WE are recruiting
My WH corp had a flat tax of 200 mil per month after the first month (so you could get set up and start earning enough to pay taxes). No % tax or other taxes. No POCO taxes, no exorbitant manufacturing fees.
All salvage goes as tax to corp, rest is yours
How do you coerce them to salvage?
I've never even been in a WH and that seems like a lot to me 😅
Uh what no this is bad, leave immediately while also stealing everything you possibly can from them
Or just start dming the jcode to people who ask and make sure you don't have many assets in the hole. I'm not really sure whats standard in low class whs but I have never been in a group doing anything like what you describe
You guys pay tax in wormholes?
and the corp also keeps 100% loot in pvp if we win
I highly suggest you stop winning in order to not give the corp even more ISK, stick it to the man!
Your terms are okay if you have functional SRP fund. Ask your leadership how they spend those taxes.
No tax in mine anything you make from anoms you keep all that is asked is to contribute some PI for fuel making and any loot from pvp fleet ops goes to corp which they ise to provide corp ships....rolling praxis, dics,hics etc
Nah, fuck that noise. Follow up on some of the offers for help in here.
Bruh. Your WH corp is taxing your crabbing? This isn't null sec. Lol. In my WH group everybody's money they make is theirs 100%. We do corp crabbing fleets every once in a while just to do shit like fund ships in home hole etc. But thats it. Never heard of taxing in WH space. Fuck that.
Get out!
Hey, We just tax pi and structure at around 3% Home site are restricted to srp. Loot during fleet belong to srp. We do buyback program on blue loot around 90%
Cheers
Back when I played and lived in wormhole if I remember right I think we paid some fee to pay for fuel back during POS days.
I want to say it was 50 mil a month but I can't remember for sure.
That was pretty much it. We lived in a C2 with a C3 static.
Ratting loot was split equally between everybody and corp/alliance didn't take a cut.
If we ran a C5 ratting op the Alliance would take an equal share as everybody else as the alliance usually paid for the fuel/tower/mods during it.
If C5 ops went on long enough the funds the alliance made from it's share would often go to SRP for evictions/ serious pvp ops. We also lost a dread once to a gank once and I believe it was SRP'd from those funds. (Bad timing, hole spawned as soon as siege cycle started and the gankers were very quick. We're lucky we only lost a single dread.)
Yea get put of there. In my corpo there is some market fee and few % of ratting etc. (Less than 10 cant remember exact)
Maybe ocationally we might do some site running to pay for corpo stuff. It has few station some what market for some random stuff gas products etc.
You keep what you get from relics if doing combat sites as a group its divided equally per player ( not per acco) with maybe a small bonus for fc or to corp.
In PVP stuff from that goes initially to srp for that fleet or divided among participants or we might just decide to give to corp if its not that much.
My group would pay 10% out of the blue loot and ore/gas that was mined out of the chain. Outside activities had the Concord tax rate if it applied. 50% is a ripoff unless they are providing everything.
Also pvp loot went to the person that found the content.
Good luck.
That's crazy, an Astrahus doesn't cost anywhere near that amount in fuel, and a 50% tax rate is outrageous.
The last time I lived in a WH, we did 90% buyback on blue loot (so effectively a 10% tax) and that funded all the structures, SRP on corp fleets and left ISK left over to reinvest in expansion.
Damn son you're getting fleeced, Evac your gear and find a better group
3% on PI. 3% on industry. That's all. Our corp makes money from its buyback service, but that's voluntary.
The corp doesn't provide ships, doesn't pay for services such as scanning or rolling. The corp takes in enough to keep operating. That's all.
i feel like i m in heaven. No tax, you farm w/e
that's ridiculous. find a new corp.
wtf
Bro you are getting got. Come join us at Orion. You would still have 600m if you did.
10% on blue loot in Vapor Lock and best of all is corp take the risk of selling it.
As a solo wormholer I spend about 200 mill I'm gas a month and I'm fueling a large POS with all the bells and whistles (to discourage attackers). You getting ripped off.
This is horrifying. I lived in a C2 for some time with four structures up and we paid 10% buyback on loot/ore/blue loot.
You are for sure getting scammed.
Did ceema made an alt account?
Name and shame
That sounds like way too much.
We used to do salvage to corp. For any ratting on the static chain and, 10% tax on home sites.
But we talking about a heavy SRP program, logistics, and a lot of stuff.
Thats insane. We do %20 for farming, and %100 of the loot found in pvp goes to the scout who found it. It used to be %10 but we are growing and needed to buff the wallet a bit i think. Is the pvp staged? Like is it cordinated by the corps involved?
Usually, 10%. High class C5/6 may have higher taxes in home system.
Legit Corp buys gas and ore a .9 of the buy price. You getting scammed big league.
That is absolutely outrageous
Wtf hahaha
My c5 corp has a 10% tax on blue loot for home hole sites and 0% for everything else. We fund SRP with a buyback program and we also pay pilots for kills and scanning the chain down. We are more than self sufficient, youre being scammed
U have a J-number? 😂
15% with approved fit SRP would be what I consider normal in Low Sec. Not sure about Wormholes.
This sounds to me like one of those IRL scammer schemes you fell for or it's a troll. You can make easily that same amount in 1=2d solo in a c1-2 (with not too much time/effort) if you do your research then it's all yours...
You are being taken advantage of, mate! Look us up!
https://forums.eveonline.com/t/eutz-phoenix-connection-c4-wh-corp-pvp-pve-indy
Leave corp and find a new one. That is way too much. You are getting scammed
Yeah as others have said this is a big rip off. There’s plenty of other WH corps that charge little to nothing for being with them. Like mine! PM me if you’re looking for a chill group that won’t rip you off haha
That Corp is worse Than pandafam
The only tax I pay in wh is the truly outrageous 1.5% poco tax on my PI related activities.
Haven't subbed in 2-3 years. I'll resub to evict these assholes.
In mine we have a buyback system where almost everything is taxed 10%. Blue loot and gneiss from home sites are taxed 50%. With that we can afford the fuel for one Astra and large pos with a net positive every month. We don't do srp on an official basis, but in fleet ops with minimal losses anyone who didn't die splits the cost of lost ships with the corp so that noble sacrifices can be compensated.
This is too much. Your corp is abusing you. Many WH corps tax %0 (zero). Some corp tax only the blue loot (I have seen %10) but mining/huffing/scanning was %0.
Isn’t fuel on an Astra only 200-300m a month?
Im pretty sure you're getting scammed. Thats a lot of fees and taxes for nothing in exchange except for a place to dock up. I would recommend looking to join another group as you will end up losing all your isk in this one.