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No one advocates for war crimes, and Israel is not in a war because Palestinians are homophobic, they're defending themselves against terrorists who started the war on October 7th, so the LGBT should stop making everything about them!
salty commieOne of the thing that pisses me off the most about my fellow gays is that they have no issue trash talking christians which is sometimes deserved, yet when it comes to legimately deranged islamist muslims who throw us off buildings or drag us behind cars we're not supposed to judge them. It's ludicrous.
Satan is literally a old straight white christian man for them. (Not only them all of hamas supporters not just gay ones). So if you look at the jews, wich are way closer to that they prefer the palenstinians over them. (Also because minority =automatically good) they just ignore the facts because they go against their world view
The newer generation has legitimately lost the plot. It’s unfortunate that having some progress has them pretending away the actual harm of genuine violent homophobia. That and a lot of them are attention seeking straight kids with no real skin in the game hiding behind “queer” because it has no real meaning, but the former still stands from the sad state of the remaining.
I have friends who are LGBTQ+ Christians. Are homophobic fundamentalists terrible? Fuck yes they are. But you know who else sucks? LGBTQ+ people who blindly hate all Christians and default to insulting Christianity when it isn't even relevant. Both of these groups are toxic and alienating.
Yeah I’ve gotten into arguments about that on gay forums. When the FBI recently put out a warning about terrorism risks to LGBTQ travelers abroad, the comments section on the post was all “Ohhhhh, well do they include Christians in this country?”
That sub is full of shit. They constantly bash Christians and white people for homophobia but they will go out of their way to defend homophobic Muslims literally rounding up LGBT people in their Islamic theocratic states just to throw them off of buildings or drag them behind cars.
In fact I got banned from r/lgbt for simply bringing up how incredibly oppressed LGBT people are in my home country of Iran. I guess LGBT communities in the ME don’t deserve queer liberation.
That's bigotry of law expectations "You're not oppressed by white christians, so you should STFU"
Agreed, they think being gay in the American Deep South is oppressive but somehow they would be welcomed with open arms in a Islamic fascist dictatorship that pass laws to criminalize homosexuality and kill LGBT people on the spot?
Obviously so.
Christ that’s galling. A lot of the left has a serious white savior complex and sees people from places like the Middle East as noble savages. There’s nothing scarier to them than someone who’s actually from there and challenges their blinkered worldview.
Eastern Europeans who are against Russia often run into the same issue, including among self-proclaimed “queers” who spout Kremlin propaganda.
I fucking hate this shit so much.
I got banned for simply telling them that they should consider actually talking with conservative queers. Reddit is a hellhole.
It sure is convenient how these people always forget to mention their statements in favor of the legitimacy of a theocratic death cult. MFers here pretending people make fun of pro-palestinian LGBT protesters because they 'support' Palestine. It's because you support Hamas you stupid over-privileged sons of bitches.
Suicidal empathy
Advocating for children to not be starved =\ support hamas
Correct statement, as Hamas is the one starving them by stealing and reselling aid to fund its war effort
Yes Hamas is also bad elite assessment, could you know stop killing aid workers please
Huh
Accident, the commanders responsible were dishonorably discharged
"more than 250"
Cool how many were hamas members
How many hostages or victims on Oct 7 were IDF members?
What is bro yapping about? The idiots that misaligned that artillery gun that fired the grenade that hit that WCK pickup truck were dishonourably discharged. These people will NEVER again hold any rank in the IDF.
Meanwhile the mentally ill monsters beheading children and cutting off Jewish women's breasts on October 7 are celebrated in Gaza, the Muslim world and by the intl left.
But remember guys, It's the Je- uhhh Israel that are the bad guys!!! Fwee Pawestine!!1!1!1
Israel has killed more than 250 aid workers not just WCK. https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/05/14/gaza-israelis-attacking-known-aid-worker-locations
Oh, is that the same human rights watch that tried to blame civilian casualties on Ukraine and not Russia?
Please give a source for that
https://www.rferl.org/a/hrw-warns-russia-ukraine-military-bases-civilians/31953245.html
They're pulling a good ol' "hurr durr both sides!!" on who has conducted a dirtier war, which pivots CLEARLY in Russia's favour.
Stating the fact Ukraine and Russia have put bases in populated areas doesn't mean it's 'both siding' it, their job is too report and not to interpret.
Wait, can I have a source on the gun being misaligned ?
Wasn't there also a story about there being a food handout as a lure before civilians got gunned down?
You got a source on that food handout???
Trying to find it, cant anymore. Could be it was the WCK story.
Only similar story i could manage to find is this one , and its highly biased against Israel
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/1/flour-massacre-how-gaza-food-killings-unfolded-and-israels-story-changed
what does lgbtq have to do with a fucking war?!?!
Virtue signalling
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they think that palestine has less global power than isreal and thats how a good majority of leftists think. remember racism=prejudice+power a lot of hardcire leftists legitimately think that only people who they think have power are capable of committing atrocities. its makes a lot of sense why gays for palestine exists at all.
i am trans and support israel in the war lol i'm rare i suppose
i said hardcore/extremist leftists, being trans or gay doesnt automatically make you a leftist, i bet theres plenty of trans nazis on 4chan.
fair, i'd consider myself left leaning centrist or a social democrat
It's interesting that they show no sympathy for the hostages and calling for their release
Or say they don't support Hamas, but then deny crimes Hamas commits or even tries to claim they are attacks done by Israel (see all the people claiming that the civilians killed on 7th October were actually killed by the IDF).
When an IDF soldier commits a war crime, they get arrested, when a Hamas terrorist commits a war crime, he gets a trophy…. How’s that for nuance?
"[121] Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (1998), art. 7. During an international armed conflict, “willfully impeding relief supplies” as part of an effort to starve civilians, is also a war crime"
So every soldier participating in blocking aid is in jail?
blocking aid
Bro doesn't realize the amount of aid shipments crossing the Erez border crossing more than doubled after the start of the war, with 419 entering from Ashdod and Erez crossing yesterday only. Hamas meanwhile regularly robs those convoys when IDF personnel aren't around and steals medical equipment and food.
But I guess it's easier to post blood libel bs than actually do some research lol
None of these people actually know geography or follow the war outside of Twitter lmaooo
Yeah because the UN and HRW only exist on twitter
Look at the graph in this- most of the aid comes through Kerem Shalom. Yes its not enough. But they are not blocking all aid.
Look. I don't support Nethenyahu or his government, I think a lot of them are blood thirsty fucks that want to cause as much misery as possible for the Palestinians. I hate what they've done to any possibility of both states coexisting in peace. But to want them to do nothing after the inhumanity of Oct 7, to let an organization that has no qualms using sexual violence to further their gains like Hamas continue to exist is not an option.
not all
Yes Israel are not blocking all aid, that doesn't make the aid they are blocking less of a war crime.
I never said they should do nothing I said war crimes shouldn't be a part of it.
What after a war broke out more aid came in? Huh I guess that completely negates Israel intentionally blocking aid. https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/04/1148141
Yes, because if you blocked something it would get less, and not more.
If I start to block a percentage of aid but the aid trying to get in increases by a lot the number getting in gets more even tho I am actively blocking aid.
Or maybe the Israeli government simply isn't blocking aid from entering. How incompetent do you think the Israeli government is? Do you think that they couldn't just put the Gaza Strip under lockdown if they really wanted to block aid from entering? They clearly have no intent on blocking aid from entering the Gaza Strip. If they did, no aid would enter.
What you call blocking is simply extensive vetting, because "aid" and trade, hell, any vessel entering the Gaza Strip has an extensive history of being filled to the brim with weapons and Hamas recruits
Isreal has been doing that, that's why it's called an open air prison by Human rights groups.
"According to various reports, Netanyahu made a similar point at a Likud faction meeting in early 2019, when he was quoted as saying that those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza, because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state."
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
Also closing down aid entities isn't vetting it's blocking aid.
"According to various reports, Netanyahu made a similar point at a Likud faction meeting in early 2019, when he was quoted as saying that those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza , because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state."
You quoted Netanyahu saying "yes please keep sending aid to Gaza lol"
Founds =\ aid
I am talking about food he is talking about bags of Money from Qatar
“You see, we’re oppressed and they’re oppressed, making both of us allies!! What do you mean they hate LGBT, I sympathize with them!”
No they are children being starved to death by blocking aid, let's not block aid to starve children
Well i palestine accepted one of the 10 morbillion partitions and peace offers it wouldn't happen so blame them
They did Israel denied it https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/06/middleeast/hamas-ceasefire-offer-gaza-war-mime-intl/index.html
The Israeli Palestinian war really showed us that there are idiots everywhere
Why should I care for people who would kill me?
Because if your government continues blocking aid and starving them religious zealotry will grow making life worse for lgbtq folk
Are you fucking stupid? Do you realize that muslims are more homophobic than any other religion? Stopping islam from spreading like a disease would be far healthier.
All religious fundamentalists are anti lgbtq so it would probably be best to round up all religious fundamentalists if there's your goal.
Yeah, essentially, but muslims are the worst as for now.
Sure so let's round up all religious fundamentalists, starting with Hamas and continuing with nethanjau, the National Religious Party–Religious and Otzma Yehudit
LBGTH. The H stands for hypocrites.
How are they being hypocritical here? Sympathy for innocent Palestinian civilians is not somehow hypocritical. It's also not hypocritical to respond to the argument that that they must support Israel because Israel is less hostile to LGBT rights. With that said, I agree most young leftists have gotten it wrong and are very naïve about Hamas, but just calling them hypocrites seems very out of line.
Being bigoted against Israel is hypocritical for an activist group based on being anti-bigotry. To claim these LGBT folk are merely 'supporting innocent Palestinians' is as disingenuous as, hypothetically, claiming supporting conversion therapy is merely supporting 'straight Christians'.
Nothing in the above meme is attacking Jewish people or Israel's right to exist. Are there bad people who happen to be LGBT? Yes, but your comment calling them hypocrites in this context was still out of line.
Funny how there's always a 'context' required when calling out bigotry against Jews or Israel. As if the other side gives a shit about Israel's context before yelling about 'innocent lives'.
There is no bigotry against Israel/Jews in this meme
I fully acknowledge there is a RAMPENT problem with anti-Semitism. But that doesn't justify other kinds of bigotry.
I love how they would kill half the western world for supposed intolerance but the worse the standard of living is in a country, the more excuses they get
They are against war crimes and deaths of civilians, okay, but why Hamas is some kind of holy cow for them that cannot be criticized in a slightest?
What i dont understand about these anti zionist lgbtq is that they say it's only done out of propoganda but it's actually done out of a literal interpretation of jewish law by conservative and orthodox jews to redirect those who are queer as fellow jews. Theres plenty of right wing regimes that are pro lgbtq if you levee the west. They assume israel is the west when is really is own culture and assume it had to be pro lgbtq only iut if deception which again is anti semitic stereotype about how jews aren't trustworthy.
Because this undermines their geopolitical narrative
"the west" doesn't really mean culture it is more of a block thing like Warsaw pact, even tho their culture is hugely different
So it's just made up to mean whatever people want it to mean ideologically then. Seems cultish.
"the west" doesn't really mean culture it is more of a block thing like Warsaw pact, even tho their culture is hugely different
Israel and Palestine hated each other before any of that stuff was really popular
I’m gay not LGBT. I don’t want to be associated with them or that damn flag.
Nobody healthy wants to be placed in the same category as these delusional, mentally ill terrorist sympathisers
What exactly is your problem with LGBT?
its similar to how many black people hate blm, a movement for a good cause hijacked by lazy people who seek to make a quick buck.
Last in line to the death camps over here
There are gay and bi people I’ve talked to who think the same way, they don’t want to come out because we’re automatically placed in the LGBTQIA+ pride flag column.
I understand your frustration. All I ever wanted was to be successful and well respected. I am patriotic to the country that has done so much for me. Being gay doesn't mean I want to be a miserable communist. It's really sad how crazy the lgbt community has gotten.
Go to a pride rally there are very little miserable communists that are active in real life lgbtq communities
Agree with you 100%, I’m not even a conservative I’m a liberal!
So am I! I'm glad to see people like us are out there. Restores my faith in humanity.
Guys…. THEY WANT TO FUCKING KILL YOU
Thank you, I wouldn't have known, I guess tht justifies starving their children.
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As multiple other commenters have told you already, if it wasn't for Hamas then the aid trucks could deliver ALL the food they send there. The IDF isn't starving your so called innocent children, the side you are supporting is.
"so called innocent children" What the fuck are you talking about they are children they are innocent.
If the IDF is blocking aid to Palestinian children they are starving children.
For fuck's sake I hate them so much...
The thing that I can't understand is when Palestinian treatment of gays is brought up, pro Palestinians counter with gays can't get married in Israel, and they only recognize same sex marriage when done outside the country (or something like that?). I don't understand how they think this is in any way comparable. It's insane.
I mean the only reason they’re bringing it up is because people rightfully have been pointing out the hypocrisy of defending people and protesting for people who would want them dead. So the LGBT community aren’t the ones making it about them, if anything it’s other people.
Also what does this have to do with communism???
not related to communism
I don't know why you're being downvoted. This post has nothing to do with communism, and is misrepresenting what the original meme is saying. A lot of the comments here are violating rules 1 and 4 on this sub.
likely rightwingers/tankies trying to brigade the sub with bigoted content to discredit it
This is honestly one of the last bastions away from extreme stupid ideologies and extremism from either side. I dont want to loose itm
Agreed. I'm a bit worried the echo chamber effect will eventually steer this sub too far right. I want to keep it center left like it was intended.
I mean I'm center left (and LGBTQ+) and I haven't had a problem for the most part?
I could be interpreting things differently though. (For example, you seeing certain statements as being directed towards all LGBTQ+ people while I took them to only mean those supporting Palestine.)
What has this got to do with communism?
The community posted their colors without fully understanding them so now have to double down.
Typical straw man, assuming that a sane person would support war crimes
To support any islamist entity is a huge huge mistake at the moment. Islsm is a regressive institution that in currebt form is a danger to liberal democracy.
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Sure, but the mean muslim supports hamas, even in western countries
Its not only about hamas, big part, if not majority of islamists are bigoted in some way. I refuse to tolerate intolerance.
Hamas is shit and Israel wages an unrestricted war, killing thousands of civilians. It's not commie garbage to say the Israelis commit war crimes
Conservatives have been doing the whole if your lgbt why do you not support Israel point tho. I don’t think this meme would have been made if the sentiment it’s talking about wasn’t being expressed to a degree.
Be gay,commit warcrimes
I didn't know Israel was gay
they say that as if the war crimes committed against israel weren't also terrible. I don't really like Israel all that much, but when their opponents are literal terrorists, I would not be siding against them.
a country is getting its ass kicked I dont know shit about said country they are middle age animals they would kill me if i went there half of them are terrorists their religion says to kill people like me "wHy dOnT yOu sUppOrT paLeStIne" Because im an enemy of these creatures, so im very proud that they get turned into a red mist
Israel is not the one continuing to commit war crimes.
That’s the popular govt of gaza
What does this have to do with communism?
Nothing this sub has turned into right wingers complaining about anything
I’ve sorta been noticing lol. I’m all for shitting on commies, but this ain’t that.
I don't see how it's right wing to complain that there are few LGBT friendly communities online that aren't full of terrible political takes.
Supporting a far right theocratic government engaging in settler colonialism is right wing.
Your mom engages in settler colonialism of the ice cream tub.
Actual 3rd grade insult is that shit embarrassing
Israeli war crime denail is hilarious as if you had to be pro hamas to be against the IDF killing civilians.
y’all know that both sides are committing war crimes right
so i feel like in terms of being evil, hamas being extremely homophobic, transphobic, all that jazz would push it over the edge
Not entirely related to communism but point made. I mean you can denounce Israel for their acts and shellings in Gaza and also denounce Hamas for being a terrorist organization and what they do to gays. Speaking as a Muslim.
I don’t think gays are making a war about themselves. This meme is responding to the common pro-israel argument used against gay people to try to delegitimize gay peoples arguments or concerns.
What are their concerns? That people die in wars? Well that's all wars. Everyone has those concerns. The war isn't gonna end because some people don't like wars. It ends when the deranged islamist death cult is destroyed.
Innocent people die in all wars. It's why war is bad. Trying to prevent a victory in a war for the democracy that was attacked because the islamists use their people as shields does not result in anything other than a victory for the islamists. Which is a disaster for democracy and LGBT people inside and outside of Palestine. It emboldens deranged regimes everywhere.
Sure I agree. I was just responding to OP saying the gays are making this war about them, when that’s not true.
People die in wars, but it is the responsibility of governments to minimize casualties and end conflicts as quickly as they can. If Israel has tried this, then Israel has failed in their duty.
They're being irresponsible with our tax dollars and ruining our legitimacy on the world stage. Also, the answer to a human shield is not to fire through the human shield.
For example blocking of aid to Gaza or killing aid workers (https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/05/14/gaza-israelis-attacking-known-aid-worker-locations).
And yes people die in all wars, it matters how much civilians die in comparison to military members that's like saying "you got a problem with My Lai? People die in all wars bro"
This war helps islamists, worse living conditions leads to more terrorism and religious fanatics.
I disagree.
It's different when there are just people expressing concerns, some of whom happened to be gay and some of whom aren't.
But when they approach the problem with the brand "GAYS for Palestine" then they are the ones who are bringing their sexual orientation into it, which naturally invited criticism.
Right. This is a response to things said against LGBT people who are sympathetic to Palestine. Sympathy for innocent Palestinian civilians shouldn't be dependent on them having a progressive attitude in general. With that said, I certainly condemn Hamas.
They aren't wrong this is a dumb argument used against the pro Palestinian crowd.
They're right though
Also, unrelated to comunism.
Nah
unrelated to communism, reported, cope.
Nah
Care to explain how is it related to communism? Do I have to lick the IDF's boots to be anti-commie?
Protip: "Bootlicker" is just the lefty version of "cuck", you're the equivalent of an alt-righter who goes around calling people "cucks".
1) He ninja edited the second sentence 2) don't care didn't ask
So is it related to anti-communism or not?
As it is currently part of a rising communist movement, sure
What do you mean "sure"? And why do you think LGBT people supporting Palestinians has anything to do with communism?
Lol
They're "right" about absolutely nothing. Stop cheering on deranged theocracies because it's hip and trendy online.
Massive, massive rare r/enoughcommiespam L post. The LGBTQ is not “making it about themselves” you homophobic fuck, and it takes a moron to try and discredit the clear war crimes being committed in Gaza.
It's not a homophobic take. I'm queer as fuck and I agree with them. "Gays for Palestine" are absolutely making it about themselves. They are the ones specifically bringing up their sexual orientation, which naturally invited criticism.
You yourself should know that it’s not the entire fucking community
I didn't take it to mean the entire community? I mean I literally just said it's Gays for Palestine.
I agree with you. VERY few LGBT people have expressed support for Hamas but a lot of comments on here are acting like the community is collectively guilty. This is a horrible thread.
You idiots, it's specifically about the group, "Gays for Palestinine" not the whole community.
But the ones bringing up LGBT issues in relation to this are the pro-israel people...?
I don't get why the LGBT community is so pro-palestine, I personally won't 'pick a side' (I just want people to stop killing eachother.) but to claim it's pro-palestinians 'making it abut LGBT' just isn't true.
The only people that advocate for war crimes are far right pro itself and that's it really.
War crimes know no political alignment.
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I am a transgender woman in a relationship with a nonbinary partner.
I am not going to support the Islamofascist state over the feminist democracy.
Gaza fucked around and now they're finding out.
I would say this directly on the lgbt sub, but I was permanently banned for answering the question, "Why do conservative queers even exist?" with "You should try asking them and hearing them out instead of having left-wing strawmen answer for them."
Queers for Palestine are a disgrace. Glory to Israel.