What do you think?
Does Higgins have the potential to ever be a Fantasy WR1?
Player DiscussionHonestly it’s kinda weird that Joe Burrow supporting a pair of WR1s on a high-volume offense with a consolidated target tree isn’t a more bullish prospect.
Yeah tbh the more I think about it Tee didn’t necessarily need to leave to hit that level. Devonta Smith was just the WR10 a couple years ago with Hurts only throwing for 3700 yards and 22 TDs. If Burrow is healthy I expect him to beat those numbers comfortably, and it’s not like Cincy is super deep with receiving options behind Tee and Chase
If he's alpha on a team with a gunslinger QB willing to pull the trigger on 50-50 jumpball, sure he could have a couple of WR1 seasons due to TD spike. He'll never be Justin Jefferson/Lamb/Chase tho.
OP asked if he can be A WR1 not THE WR1.
Homie probably has JJ/Lamb/Chase lol. Feared his comment would devalue his guy.
Lol yeah you busted me. I have all 3 and Marvin Harrison Jr lol.
Wow cool!
Anyway
Is this a 6 team league or something?
It can happen. I’m in a 14 team league with a guy who has JJ, CD, AJB and now MHJ. Was a combination of him drafting JJ and making good trades at the right time. He traded for AJB when he was still a Titan when his value was lower, traded for CD his rookie year, and traded for a draft pick a few years ago that eventually turned into 1.01 this year (1 QB league).
Have you tried playing in a real league?
I was being snarky lol. I do have Jefferson, ARSB, and Puka in one league tho. Didn't do any analysis. Just drafted whoever that had the least target competition.
Rookie Jefferson walked into a situation with a bunch of vacated targets left by Diggs and Thielen was already on the wrong side of 30. Cousins always supported 2 WRs. Thought it was a no-brainer to pick him over Reagor and Ruggs.
Rookie ARSB walked into a completely barren WR room and Goff had a long track record of supporting 2 WRs with the Rams.
Rookie Puka walked into a situation with only 1 established WR (Kupp) who was already on the wrong side of 30.
It can happen in real leagues. I’m in a 14 team league (extremely competitive league) with a guy who has JJ, CD, AJB and now MHJ. Was a combination of him drafting JJ and making good trades at the right time. He traded for AJB when he was still a Titan when his value was lower, traded for CD his rookie year, and traded for a draft pick a few years ago that eventually turned into 1.01 this year (1 QB league).
He can be a WR1, but probably not every year even in the perfect situation as the alpha. There are a lot of good WRs in the nfl. Only a handful of them are truly special.
I actually agree with you. I'm not sure why you're getting so much hate unless t Higgins takes another step forward and a big one. He seems like a guy that is perpetually going to be either a wide receiver two or a wide receiver one or in between. I don't see him as a year in year out wide receiver one
He was WR12 in ppg his 2nd season.
So yes.
Yeah I don’t understand how this is constantly missed
To be fair that was in standard scoring, which is much less popular. In 0.5PPR he was WR17
He did exit a few games super early though, so probably skewed a bit and he did look capable of WR1 production
Low end WR1 all going right and staying healthy I think but needs a lot to go right
If he ever gets a chance as lead dog in an offense with a good QB, yes.
2nd target in an offense with an elite QB is just as good
With TD luck, sure, he could be a bottom end WR1 for a season. But I think his destiny is mid- to low-end WR2.
I wish my league mate realized this and stopped asking me to give him Waddle/Metcalf and a first for him.
I would rather have both Waddle and DK alone than Higgins.
Waddle Higgins DK
For me
What’s your argument for Higgins over DK? They’re close in age, but DK has proven much more
This is what I’m lost in. I see a lot of upvotes for that too. I just looked at their stats side by side and am even more perplexed. DK is hands down the better asset, producing consistently, despite a worse offense. He’s infinitely better than Tee. This ain’t even taking health into consideration. DK is an iron man. Tee is a rough nights sleep away from needing surgery again
DK is a Seahawk and the Seahawks suck. If DK was playing with Chase I dont think we would be having this convo. When Higgins gets his shot at WR1 he will be a monster. My two cents anyway
On a bad Seahawks team, he’s absolutely bodied Higgins statistically every year though. That’s an argument against Higgins, not DK. Hell, Lockett as WR2 on a bad team has shit on Higgins as WR2 for Burrow. Higgins is not that guy. He’s a better, younger Mike Williams
Cool. Enjoy drafting DK.
Great argument, champ!
Someone has way to many DK Shares and trying to unload due to shitty QB and loads of target comp this year. I see you. Good luck off loading that subpar route runner! The real Mike Williams 2.0
DK has had four seasons better than Higgins’s best year and is only 13 months older.
DK can also score touchdowns, which is a really underrated skill for receivers. It's not as lucky as a lot of people make it out to be, getting open in the redzone is a legitimate skill.
It's the only real hole in Julio Jones' game, and people kept calling him unlucky or that his touchdowns would come. Roddy White and Calvin Ridley had no problems scoring touchdowns with Matt Ryan.
Julio had a TON of 1 yard away from a TD plays.
How many really? People always say this but he didn't get tackled at the one twenty times lmao.
This is one of those TECHNICALLY true statements (two of the seasons were one point higher)
TECHNICALLY true
The best kind of true
This is an ok take
Why are you asking if you have waddle and DK
Huh?
I remember the threads on here 2 years ago when people had him over Lamb haha
Next year when he signs with the chargers to be a true #1, he will be.
But next year when he signs with the Broncos, he'll be WR 40.
Tee's value could be multiple firsts or less than a single 1st at this time next year depending on where the Bengals ship him and how those first few games go imo
Tee could be a fantasy WR1 on the Broncos
Considering Sutton will be gone most likely, and they keep drafting wr2/3 archetypes I would definitely agree it’s plausible
This is the wrong take.
Tee is absolutely the #1 on a team like the Broncos, in which case he is a top 10 WR.
The problem is if a team with other viable weapons gets him- in which case it would be tough for him to be in a tougher situation than the Bengals, where he is already a low end WR1/top WR2.
If he was traded to a team with a clear need for a WR1 then sure.
Maybe a fluke season, but never consistently. He'll either be the top WR in a bad offense or the second in a good one.
He needs to stay on the field to make that happen
Instantly of Chase gets hurt lol
Idk but I got a first, second, third and Rashee Rice for him mid-season. Has potential to payout well.
Somebody call the police
But not for him
Surviving Edge Weapons
That’s pretty nice lol
That’s lovely. I can’t even get a random 2025 first for him.
Yes.
Absolutely
No
If he can stay healthy for a full season, yes. Next year when he’s on a new team, 100% yes.
Chase gets hurt and Higgins ceiling is WR1 overall.
Likely outcome, WR18-22.
That’s his range WITH jamarr chase playing
I just don’t see a world where Higgins can be overall WR1. WR7-12 with TD luck potentially, but there’s a massive talent gap between him and the top guys
I could see him getting into top 3-5 but that would require him to be healthy for an entire season and that seems unlikely. And by healthy, I don't mean he "starts" every game.
Mannnn top 3 last year was Lamb, Hill and ARSB. Their point totals were 400.2, 375.4 and 329.9, or PPG of 23.5, actually also 23.5, and 20.6. Higgins is just nowhere near that good a player
This is under the scenario of Chase going down. Assuming the other person meant early in the season, a full healthy season of just Higgins is likely a floor of 150 targets.
And he’s not good enough to turn 150 targets into 330 points; like I said, the talent gap is insurmountable. Hell, Pittman had 156 targets last year and wasn’t a WR1; they’re comparable talents. Allen had 150, Diggs had 160, Wilson had 168 and Adams had 175, none of them were top 5, and all of them are much more skilled than Tee. He’s just not that dude.
Don’t think it’s a talent gap. On a per game basis without chase hindering him, he was on a 1600+ yd pace. He’s an elite wr being stifled by situation, qb health issues, and his own health issues. All things in a vacuum, there’s not much of a gap talent wise between him and the 5-10 wr’s
Chase tears his Achilles tomorrow WR1 is in the realm of possibilities
WR1 as in WR9-12, sure. But he’s not good enough to do much more than that unless it’s an abnormally down WR year. Adams, Wilson, Diggs, Pittman and Allen all broke 150 targets and none managed even top 5. You’ve gotta be a monster to finish that high, Tee is not that dude.
Idk if 18-22 is likely with chase. 24-32 more likely
Look at it this way. If he was on another team, would that team still look to upgrade at WR or would they just bring in other lesser pieces around him. The answer is absolutely yes, they would still upgrade if they could. He’s not a true WR1, at best he might sign with a rebuilding team and have a season as the number one option with a rookie qb, but that team would definitely be bringing in an upgrade pretty soon after that.
Just traded him for Andrews TEP PPR. Feel pretty good about it still.
You should feel like a million bucks. Wanna talk about #1 as a possibility… Andrew’s TE1 overall is very real
He’s gonna be a great WR1 for New England next year lol
I like tee a lot and had shares until this summer. His future value depends where he’s playing, but I’d bet against it in a given season. He’s had 8 catches or more only 6 times in 4 seasons. Chase has done it 13 times, ceedee 14 times.
Tee can still be very valuable even without pushing for the overall wr1, but for my money he’s more boom/bust than you would like if he’s wr1 on your team.
Yes, along with 150 other guys
Yes
Definitely has the potential. Whether that's realized is probably contingent on his landing spot next year. Excellent receiver.
Traded him and a mid 2nd for Nico Collins and a 3rd. How'd I do?
100% fine with that.
He has the talent but not the situation right now. Perhaps that can change but it's a crapshoot.
Yes
He’ll never be a top 8 WR, but I could see him finishing WR 9th-12th at his absolute peak.
Depends on where he lands next.. in the meantime, Burrow could also have a fantastic year and I could see him finishing around WR10-12. Touchdowns are key though.
I like the talent but no
Idk honestly.. I think he is peaked and will always be a really good WR2. He's not a top 12 WR and I don't see that changing. He's more like top 15-20
imo talent wise yes, but the amount of available/ realistic teams where he would step in and be the unquestioned first option is a lot smaller than i think people realize
- cleveland: super unlikely the bengals would trade him within the division, and even if they were willing to the brown don’t have the cap space to give him the contract he’s looking for
- pittsburg: again i don’t see the bengals trading him within the division
- green bay: maybe but they seem pretty content with their pass catchers situation right now and they still have to figure out a contract for jordan love first
- denver: kind of a mess right now
- chargers: just shed all of their wr’s and looks like their trying to establish a run first identity in a rebuild mode so trading for and spending big money on a wr doesn’t feel like it fits their team identity/ plans right now
- washington: maybe
- new england: maybe but they need a lot of other holes on their roster filled as well and they just invested big into the wr position in the draft
- carolina: surprisingly have almost no cap space and could not gangle trying to make room to pay him what he wants
other teams where i could seem him maybe contest to be the first option but it would still be crowded and similar to the situation he’s in now, and it’s more likely he is the second option or at best 1b: - buffalo: no shot the bengals trade him to one of their biggest afc contending opponents - ravens: they won’t trade him within division, and have negative money to spend right now - houston: just went all in at their wr position and there is probably literally no room left for any other pass catchers to come in - tampa bay: but they’re pretty set at wr with evans/ godwin, and just spent a 3rd on mcmillan, and they have other tester holes to address - seattle: has no money to pay him and are pretty set at wr - jacksonville: crowded wr room, might be an even worse situation for him than he’s in now, and they just spent a 1st in a wr - colts: don’t have the cap to pay him - vegas: roster is in shambles and they need to figure out other holes - atlanta: super crowded pass catching room and no cap space - jets: maybe but just brought in mike williams and malachi corley - giants: no money, holes everywhere on the roster, and have spent a lot of early draft capital on wr’s in recent drafts
TLDR: the way i see it there are maybe 2 teams that ideal landing spots for him that would be an upgrade from what he has now in the chargers and green bay. other teams don’t seem realistic to be able to pull a trade off for him, be able to pay him, or it seems like he will enter a just as crowded if not worse situation, or a downgrade at qb.
Forgive me for my lack of nfl economy knowledge, but isn’t he a free agent next year? Or is it like one of those restricted things
they would still have to take on his salary this year, and i was also looking at next year assuming he’s looking for a contracts of at least $20mil aav
He was FA this offseason but got tagged. The Bengals might tag him for the purpose of trading him but I doubt they'd do that, I don't think they have to money to risk him playing on a twice tagged contract.
Right so…he would be a free agent, and could easily sign with any of the rest of the afcn, who I would say are all top contenders
No, and it’s delusional to say otherwise at this point. Even if he gets the alpha role in an offense someday, he then needs to hold up for a season. The fact remains that he has suffered a recurring soft tissue injury in every.single.season he’s played since 2018. That’s 6 seasons in a row. It’s just not reasonable to expect him to finish a full season moving forward let alone be a top 12 overall WR. He’s a WR2 at best based on availability.
He’s done it multiple times I think so yes
Tee Higgins' best fantasy finish in .5 PPR is WR17, with only one other season in the top 24 at WR22. He has not yet proven himself to be a WR1.
Oh wow I thought he did! Nvm
Yes, he was the WR12 in PPG already
It blows me away how much this sub biases against a guy who has been a consistent #1 when the other wr1 on his team hasn’t been there.
On another team, Higgins will be stud, just like he is whenever chase is out
IMO no, he's basically Mike Williams. Contested catch guy who can't really separate.
He needs the absolute perfect situation and I don’t think it’s likely at all. Higgins owners will make you pay for this potential, but it’s a hard pass until his situation settles one way or the other.
I personally don’t love Tee as a talent. He was better in 2021 than these last 2 seasons. I think he’s already peaked and I’d rather let those guys be left holding the bag.
Chase injury and he's a weekly #1 WR candidate
Yes
Absolutely. He could be a back-end WR1 this year. He just needs to stay healthy and the target tree needs to concentrate a bit more.
I don’t believe he is one of the twelve best receivers in the league, so for him to finish top 12, everything has to go right for him.
Yes
No I don’t think so
I doubt it fam. He has to have perfect placement on a team where he is the WR1
No
No
No
When he goes to another team next year, yes
I don’t think so. He does not have enough tricks in the bag. He needs strong receivers around him to be successful. I think he’s really more of an wr3 2 at best.
Tee Higgins has the same draft capital as Keon Coleman
He absolutely has the potential, but it’ll have to be on another team. In his rookie season Tee was a WR1 from the time he became a full time starter to Burrow’s injury. Then last year the one game Chase missed Tee immediately put up 140/1 even with Browning.
He needs better injury luck and to be on a new team that still has a solid QB, but the potential is definitely there.