[Art][OC] Please help me pick a class and race for her, I ran on vibes and now I'm lost.

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Lol, fair, my group is slowly making the transition to pathfinder, this game’s just been going on a long time that we’re just really trying to get through this last dnd game before we either full pin switch to Pathfinder, or do pathfinder and less known systems

amodsr

I actually don't really like most d20 systems. It's adding up of small things that compound into a larger one. It's a mix of both player and creator problems.

A small example I dislike from the creator side is the use of the word wisdom. Wisdom is a form of intelligence and has nothing to do with your spiritual abilities or senses. Yet they keep naming it that as if that's the thing to call it because DND does it so every other d20 system copies since they all just basically copy DND.

On the player side I find it frustrating that people will sometimes say that because your character has low stats that they must suck in certain areas. Like low charisma means you're ugly. Low intelligence means you're stupid. It's like no dude. Have you seen Fabio. High charisma character due to looks with a shitty personality. I can totally have a good looking character who's low charisma due to personality traits. Like look at Hitler. Ugly dude with a high charisma due to good talking skills and happens to have good rolls. Both can be true. Like Owen Wilson is in the middle of both with high charisma.

I also don't like how some people make you roll for everything too. Like sometimes I'm not trying to talk you into something. Sometimes I'm just saying a thing. Rolls are for when you're trying to perform an action.

Like I was talking to a character and I plainly told him that if things didn't go my way that he would regret those actions. Am I trying to intimidate the guy? No. Just letting him know shit will go down. Take it as you want. There's no need to bring dice into this. Other times I'll make a character where the purpose is meant to dice rolls. I'll be like I'm gonna try to dice rolls intimidate him. It's all about attitude. My low charisma guy doesn't need or want it. Want to fight? Ok, I don't need to talk you into viewing things my way if I just fucking kill you. Dice roll guy doesn't want to fight even if he's good at it. He would rather talk his way out or intimidate. Both were fighters and as much as I can agree to do dice rolls I think it comes down to intent of player or certain situations.

We have moments in my group where the DM will as for rolls because sometimes who you're talking to will not be swayed in any way unless you roll for it and those are easy to accept as they make sense but not every conversation involves dice needing to be rolled. Sometimes conversation is just that.

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I can understand where you’re coming from, especially as someone experimenting with making a system myself, but at the same time, I’m not sure I see dice rolls the same as you. To me dice rolls just kind of show whether or not luck is in your favour in that moment. I do agree sometimes they should be handwaved, like my DM asking me to roll a recall knowledge check on the functions of plants when my character is a nature scholar and I shared things I learned about in middle school, like yeah, that check didn’t necessarily need to happen in the middle of player/player convos.

But, dice rolls don’t necessarily need to be active, sometimes it’s just a way to help the DM decide how an npc should feel about something.

As for the low charisma = ugly thing, I have never heard of that, and every DM I met would say that’s stupid if that’s true. I’ve made pretty low cha characters, and played them. Low charisma doesn’t mean ugly, it means awkward as shit 😂

amodsr

I played my low charisma character as mostly uncaring and bad at making friends. Unlying to a fault of twisting his words to a degree that would favor him and make most people assume he meant one thing while saying another. That and telling people he would kill them with a gun that shoots infinite bullets if they seem dumb enough to believe him.

I agree to some degree with dice rolls. I think if it's common knowledge stuff for your type of person and you're just talking about a thing you definitely shouldn't need to. But if it's a hard moment then the intent of action would call on it.

And yeah sometimes the group I'm in is really dumb. As much as I enjoy playing with them they're not all playing with a full box of crayons in their tool shed. Like we've been playing DND in our group for about 5 years and I'll remember things explained to me and I can make super good fighters to a degree that I've bested the best player at the table in combat but the other players can hardly play their character sheet that they've been playing with since the beginning of the adventure.

Like I've tried learning but the book is poorly written and will give info in certain chapters so I've mostly given up at this point but I've made like 7 fighters in 3.5 and they're all unique and good at stuff.