What's your "guilty pleasure" DC movie? Mine is ZSJL
DISCUSSIONDont feel guilty about that.
Such a pisstake there was only talk of releasing a Schumacher Cut after he had passed away. He deserved to see that released when he was with us.
They should release it either way.
Love that movie. Say what you want about it, but the portrayal of Batman is damn-near flawless. He goes through a solid character arc and learns to find love and build a family while also continuing his crusade; a feat most versions of the character never manage to pull off. Plus the mentor-student chemistry between Val Kilmer and Chris O’Donnel is fantastic and I totally buy them in those roles.
Kilmer’s Batman is wise, competent, compassionate, intense and multi-layered and his performance is underrated to the point where it disgusts me.
I just wish the film didn’t have such an inconsistent tone. Batman himself was basically perfect in that movie, it’s the stuff they built around him that was questionable.
Kilmer had the charisma to play Bruce Wayne, and the chin to play Batman.
I enjoyed his run, and would’ve rather he done the next one and not Clooney.
Granted, I love Clooney and the man is a fantastic actor. But he felt out of place as Batman.
Agreed on all fronts. George Clooney is awesome but he just didn’t have it.
Still a solid Bruce Wayne tho. Especially in the scenes with Alfred.
I just wish the film didn’t have such an inconsistent tone.
And nipples
I miss when Gotham looked crazy like that
Me too. It’s otherworldly and really does feel like a comic book brought to life.
I watched a comprehensive history and character study about comic Batman from all the way back in Detective Comics #27 to now, and they said “the absolute fundamental truth about Batman is that the golden rule of his universe is family. He can’t do his job unless he relies on his friends and allies.”
YES!
Have you seen the Red Book Edition version? If you love BF already, this is the definitive version. Schumacher told me personally it was probably the closest thing to his vision for the film. Schumacher actually watched it because (cough cough) someone who had a copy let him watch it.
It's got all of the deleted footage, restoring the actual arc for Bruce and the relevance of hid dad's diary, ties it to the first film and his killing of the Joker as a topic of perpetual regret that drove him to create his "no kill" rule, shows him semi-training with Dick, and other great stuff that makes it feel more aligned with Burton's tone and film. It also removes the neon and the worst campy moments, makes Two-Face much more reserved and scary, and in this form I think it's easily the best film of the original four-film trilogy.
Sometimes hard to find these days online, but FireMerk Studios might be of some help.
YES! Especially the "grand pursuit" scene!
I saw that in theaters as a kid when it came out. I love that movie. Also, maybe a GOAT soundtrack.
That dive scene still looks insane
It’s one of the best Batman movies bro, fym.
Nicole Kidman was hot in that film
Came here to say this! It's so quotable! Abd Val Kilmer was an excellent Bruce/Batman.
Gang-gang 🤝🏽
Okay cowards, I’ll say what nobody else is brave enough to say. I liked Black Adam… a lot
Dr. Fate man.
The only reason why I liked that movie
I liked Hawk Man too
Ya those two made that movie good.
Pierce Brosnan was amazing
He and Hawkman carried that film
Yes. Black Adam was pretty good.
Didn't like the movie but fuck me that score by Lorne Balfe went so hard.
I loved Black Adam. Simple, non stop action with likable characters. Amazing seeing Dr Fate in that movie. They did him justice.
Black adam is top 5 DC for me personally it's a lot of fun and rewatchable
Nonstop action is right. I remember being impressed that the movie had so much to say about colonialism and neoliberal ideas of Justice and acceptable force, considering it also has such a breakneck pace that it barely ever slows down.
They did him justice? They killed him off !!! I loved the portrayal. But they nerfed him so much
They didn't. It's like Nabu doesn't exist. Isn't him supposed to be trying to take control? Dude was fully in control of the entity. That's not how it's supposed to be.
Yeah it's not a good interpretation of the character. But Brosnan's charisma carried the movie version and he came off really likeable. Definitely the highlight of the movie for me.
I liked it too.
I liked everything about black Adam except the little Bart Simpson rebel on a skateboard with the terrible acting lol
I as well. And The Flash. AND BLUE BEETLE!!!
The flash got far too much hate. The only down points is the cgi, mainly the baby scene. Set the technical issues aside and it was well shot, well written, well acted, and enjoyable.
But haters need memes.
I totally agree. It did what it could with what it had been given.
Which is too bad. I remember back when it wad announced and there was hard speculation on the cast choices for Thomas and Martha Wayne in BVS in order to play their roles in Flashpoint.
Oh what could have been.
I liked black Adam.
However I have to say that Flash's storyline was poorly written.
The Flash is the biggest "curate's egg" of the DCEU imo. "Parts of it are excellent!" But imo it doesn't like, totally cohere?
To me the worst thing is the necromancy. I mean that whole scene was kind of doing too much but seeing Chris Reeve and George Reeves there without the actors alive to OK it made me pretty annoyed. And for that matter, Teddy Sears' apparent uncredited, unpaid Jay Garrick cameo.
I really really liked the tomb scene in Black Adam, and pretty much any moment in the film where he or Dr Fate use their powers.
Black Adam? I think you mean the Justice Society movie
You're not alone. A lot of us liked it lol
The first 45 mins maybe…
The first half of the movie is amazing - that is, until after he gets locked up. Then it really turns into a superhero mess of a movie.
Yesss, aside from the annoying kid, the movie is decent and enjoyable.
Dr. Fate was the best part, and the story wasn’t so bad. For being a DCEU film, the writers were consistent and competent. They didn’t stray from the tone, didn’t have 15 unfinished side plots, and didn’t abandon character development when they got bored.
I thought Black Adam was just decent... But the movie is one of the most rewatchable DCEU movies.
Yea black adam is just another level awesomeness
It was fun popcorn flick some good action and I some good ish characters even if the story is kinda weak but I wasn’t bored
Your bravery has challenged the hierarchy of the DC universe.
I wouldn’t say a lot, but I had fun with it. My main gripe was Cyclone and Atom Smasher were like nothing characters.
I liked it well enough until it's first ending. The second one was terrible though.
Black Adam isn't even a guilty pleasure for me, I just liked it. I think it was mostly pretty good.
I remember watching that one after multiverse of madness and thinking it was the best movie ever made
We’re dispatching agents to your location right now. You have t-minus 23 minutes to change your opinion.
For real though, I didn’t hate it I just thought it was kind of boring. I did love the parts with the JSA though.
I enjoyed it too. It's not ground-breaking nor do I think it was good enough to establish whatever the fuck The Rock was trying to do but it was a fun film. Aldis Hodge & Pierce Brosnan (Best Bond IMO) absolutely kill it in their rolls. Extra props to Aldis for doing a great job whilst looking ridiculous.
The skateboard kid stuff is also hilariously stupid.
BvS
Shout out to the ultimate edition. It’s the warehouse scene when Batman goes all out, gets me every time.
Love that scene. Gives me Arkham vibes, I'm just gutted we didn't get a Batfleck movie, My top Batman fight scene along with Keaton in The Flash.
The concept art for the Batfleck movie 🥹🥹🥹🔥🔥🔥
Ya know I'm Facebook friends with the stunt guy and he wishes me every year on my birthday, he's a great dude. And I tell my friends that Batman wishes me every year without fail.
Richard Cetrone. He’s awesome. He made a guest appearance on the podcast “BvS by the minute”. Was a great episode. He also plays Zeus in Army of the Dead
Oh dang, that's cool! Didn't realize that.
Same
Same lol
Honestly, pretty solid. Love seeing Wonder Woman swoop in. ZS did such a smoking job with her. Even in ZSJL he seems to get performances out of her no one else can. Big fan of her entrance to the franchise from that film.
BvS:UE is not only a good movie, it's a really good movie. Fuck WB.
I read somewhere that "Wally" was supposed to be John Corben aka Superman villain Metallo and "Jack" was supposed to be Lucius Fox played by Forrest Whittaker. BUT that version of the script got leaked so Snyder had to change it.
Wallace Keefe was definitely supposed to be Metallo but I'm pretty sure his name was always going to be Wallace Keefe. Which is... mostly fine, if true. There have been more than one Metallo over the years in comics, including Clark Kent at one point.
This is the best Batman film for me.
There are aspects of it that leave a bad taste in my mouth but it’s still not nearly as bad as some people claim it is. When we have dogshit like Suicide Squad and Birds Of Prey, it’s a little easier to forgive BVS.
Definitely the first Suicide Squad. The first hour is seriously solid, with good character moments and really fantastic pacing. It’s the back half that loses me with its really weak villain.
But Margot Robbie and Jai Courtney stand out and make it a really fun watch.
I was seriously disappointed that we lost feral, grungy Enchantress and got the boring hula-dancing one instead.
WB intervention really ruined the second half smh
They completely stripped the motivation of Enchantress and Incubus. In the script, they are trying to open a gateway to summon their father.
Was the intervention "Enchantress needs to gyrate more like 400% more"
Jai Courtney in Spartacus goes hard
I never realized he was Varro... Thanks for that.
idk what you mean because to me the first half is like fucking unwatchable, the second one is still really buf but like semi-competent. Like in the first half scenes don't really connect they just follow each other. There are good scenes individually through the movie (Deadshot doing his ONE trickshot through the entire movie or the bar scene) but as a whole... nope...
Like who's idea was it to turn Enchantress into some dancing in front of a Green Screen belly dancer... Like ruined the movie so hard for me
And also the cutting out the Joker and horrible editing for his scenes
i absolutely love the suicide squad, but my biggest issue with it was boomerang dying, not because it didn’t make sense or anything but man i really really wanted to see way more of him
Some scenes were great. But when it came to the action, or the actual fights, it was low effort
Honestly I preferred the second one even. It was catchy and full of action and had weird and likable characters.
ZSJL has a majority critical approval and solid audience scores. That's not a guilty pleasure.
Yeah ironically it’s far and away the best received of all the Snyder films. I remember reading all the positive reviews during the week leading up to it and my jaw was on the floor. I couldn’t believe what I was reading and it made me even more hyped lol
I saw the theater verison and it was the worst movie I have ever seen nothing made any sense. When the synder cut was released I didn't bother but because of all the rave about it I decided to give it a chance.
I was blown away on how good it was considering that BVS wasn't that good. It's a shame we don't get to see the 2nd and 3rd movie.
The theatrical version was undermined by both his daughter's suicide and Joss Whedon trying too hard to remake The Avengers, I must say.
It helps it fixed so much that was wrong with the theater version, or rather what was cut. Some parts honestly made sense to be cut but other parts? Made it an entirely different film.
I don't think OP knows what Guilty Pleasure means.
BvS
First Suicide Squad. Not only will I admit I liked the movie; I liked Jared Leto's Joker!
I just threw up in my mouth a little. I hope you’re happy!
Haha jk while I’m not a fan of Leto’s Joker, i think the first Suicide Squad is a solid movie, especially the extended edition!
I think the issue is I think Ayer wanted Joker to be this slimy repulsive abuser that Harley was going to break free from and WB wanted him to be cool and edgy...and that led to some...interesting choices.
The shift in tone between the first trailer and second, because of the response to BvS, was SO vast. I genuinely would love to see the “Ayer cut”, but I just wish he’d shut up about it lol
That said, I can’t see his cut improving on my opinion of Leto as Joker. If he was the abusive piece of shit that he should be then I’d be on board but from what we got of Leto’s performance, it’s not great.
I don't know why they criticized Letto's Joker so much, it was made with a different idea from other jokers, it was made to focus more on the gangster boss side of the villain, and he did that well.The letto joker works when it is a supporting character. If he were to be a Joker like Phoenix, he couldn't even be in the Suicide Squad because he would kill his teammates on the first mission.
Tha Flash. i enjoyed that sob more than all of the dc/snyder movies
Hot take: if that movie had come out in 2021, people would be calling it the start of a new era of DC and would’ve praised it
Exactly, It was the development hell. People claimed spider man did it, but Flashpoint far predates it.
Post theatre's, spider man doesn't hold up. The awkward pause each time they summon an old spider man is rough, and the script us very weak.
Flash suffered from poor cgi in some scenes and that's it Yet it got lambasted as the worst CBM movie since green lantern.
The pause for the anticipated jokes is so lame i couldn’t believe it when i rewatched a year or so later, mcu literally winks at the screen is so lame but the hype of seeing tobey made me blind
Disagree about No Way Home. I think it’s a better movie overall, but Flash definitely doesn’t deserve to be bashed the way it is.
I love it as well.
I get why other people hate it. I would never try to tell someone they’re wrong for hating it.
And obviously, Ezra Miller can go fuck themselves. Total whacko, to put it lightly.
I just really like the character of Barry Allen. I really like the Flashpoint comics. Sure, the character is bastardized, the story is twisted, and the original ending they had planned would have been better, but it’s still just a fun movie to watch.
It also helps (I can’t believe I’m saying this) that it is only 2 hours and 24 minutes, because if I’m hanging out looking to watch a superhero movie but I don’t have 4 hours, it’s easier to throw on.
I know 2 hours and 24 minutes isn’t “short”, but it is shorter than Zack Snyder’s Justice League, Batman v Superman (Ultimate Edition), and the Batman (all movies I would pick over the Flash if I have the time).
Flash was a great time. I’m actually genuinely perplexed by the poor reaction to the film.
I think a big chunk of the reason is Millers extra curricular activities.
While I prefer Snyders tone, the Flash had literally everything people always wanted and begged about from comic book movies.
Yes to all of this! The fan service was greatly appreciated!
It's a weird thing because it has a lot of things I dislike yet I would gladly rewatch again
I have no guilty pleasure movie.
If I like a movie I will not feel guilty about it.
Only right answer.
You win the thread.
How is ZSJL a guilty pleasure? It's very well reviewed, like one of the higher rated movies of the DCEU alongside Shazam, Wonder Woman and The Suicide Squad.
But anyway besides that I'd say Batman Forever.
I mean it’s 4 hours long, when I can be asked it’s a great watch
Fair enough😂
I don’t get this criticism. It is episodic. Literally broken into four parts. People (not saying you personally) binge watch 8 episodes of Stranger Things then complain about this movie.
According to everyone else: WW84 and Flash
According to me: Superman III
BvS UE, and I'm not ashamed of it. It's one of my favourite comic book movies.
Guilty pleasure is when something is bad or not that good but you enjoy it anyway if it’s one your favorites it’s not a guilty pleasure it’s one of your favorite movies that’s it.
Yeah but a lot of people consider it bad. If we're going by the proper definition then the OP doesn't make sense because ZSJL isn't considered bad 🤷♂️
Guilty pleasure? This is one of the best DC movies of the past decade or more
DC? "Batman & Robin". I watched it so much as a kid I wore out my VHS tape and had to get a new one. I'll never hate that movie as an adult.
DCEU? "Batman v Superman" (theatrical cut). I don't need an extra half hour to enjoy that movie.
Batman & Robin is like THE guilty pleasure movie. The film is just dumb, stupid & ridiculous in such an amazing way. From the nipple suits to terrible dialogue ("WHAT KILLED THE DINOSAURS!? THE ICE AGE!") to the rubber lips to the bat credit card (They fuckin knew what they were doing with this scene, the name is BATMAN and the expiry date is FOREVER with the payment provider being GothCard...incredible). The film is amazing.
I wish there was a middle ground for BvS. It’s like they left in the stuff that has nothing to do with the plot and cut out actual plot material. I can do without the JL stuff and the Knightmare scene (cool scene but has nothing to do with BvS’ narrative). But leave in Clark doing some investigating and Superman saving people at the Capitol.
I wish there was a cut that omitted the bullshit and kept the scenes essential to the plot.
Superman IV: The Quest For Peace.
It's enjoyable in a so bad it's funny kinda way.
I agree. It came out before it I know, but it's pretty much the Batman and Robin of Superman movies
Superman Returns. I also consider it the third best Superman film behind Superman: The Movie and Superman II.
It’s my second favorite only behind Donner’s original film. Very underrated film imo.
Man of Steel. That rural kansas vibe is my favourite thing.
"I grew up in Kansas. I'm about as American as it gets."
Summer nights and long warm days Are stolen as the old moon falls And my mirror shows another face Another place to hide it all Another place to hide it all
Man of Steel
It is a good movie with solid reviews and box office. Only issue was that it came after Nolan’s Batmans, bar was just too high.
Too much too soon. They should've let snyder do Mos2 like originally planned
Facts
Why did it take so long to get here? I guess it’s not a guilty pleasure because the film is solid.
BVS for sure hahahaha I love it
I love ZSJL
Man of steel and I’m not ashamed
It’s not a guilty pleasure if it’s a great movie.
Nothing guilty about ZS’s.
Black Adam.
This was a bad movie?
BvS and ZSJL are gold
Shazam! and Blue Beetle.
I don’t think there’s anything guilty pleasure about the Zack Snyder justice league movie I think it’s genuinely good and well-made. My guilty pleasure DC movie is Batman and Robin. I think it’s ridiculously entertaining, but it’s also very terrible.
I like Aquaman 2
Me too 🫣
Other than the first few minutes which seemed like last minute add on reshoots, everything after the title card is kino. Black Manta's theme is so good, and the sets and designs were great.
7.1/10 on IMDb, 71%/93% on RT, 3.4/5 on Letterbox’d. It’s not exactly a hated movie.
7.9/10 on IMDB actually. Which is the highest rated DCEU movie on the site and the second highest DCEU project after Peacemaker.
Whoops, good catch!
I like Blue Beetle, i throw it on every couple of months. I think they should have leaned harder into the Neo-Miami aesthetic though.
I throughly enjoyed blue beetle so I’m with you here. Thought it was a great family movie. I’m also kind of biased cause he’s my favorite teen titan so… yeah
ZSJL and The Flash
ZS JL for sure
Batman v Superman.
I love BVS. The whole JSJL ensemble. I think Batfleck is the best Batman AND Bruce Wayne blend. I think the while cast was genetically designed by God to play these characters. I think casting an islander as Aquaman is long overdue and the most intelligent choice. I think they threw away a chance to get an Oscar-winning director's take on the Batman franchise when Affleck was willing and very interested. I think Jared Leto is a vile cretin, while also acknowledging he has always gone full immersion, just like so many other people. We simply remember and still feel the loss of Heath Ledger. Ho w ever, if you hated Jared Leto as the Joker, we'll, he's not supposed to be a role model. I think Miller's Barry is exactly quirky enough and I fucking hate he has real life drama. I think Luthor as a failed clone, something fans didn't know or might not have caught, changes EVERYTHING when you look at how he acts in the cloning tank.
Man of Steel 🔥💗
Firstly, I call BS on calling ZSJL a "guilty pleasure" because that term implies that ZSJL is not good which is cap... Next you will claim that Endgame is your MCU's guilty pleasure? 😃 Secondly, my guilty pleasures would be Aquaman 2 🫡
ZNJL? Are you combining Zack and Nolan? 🤣😜
I guess so, but I fixed it 😁 thanks
Man of Steel. It’s such a great movie that cultivates such a great Superman story, in a different way.
I would go with Wonder Woman 1984. It goes to over the top and has way to much going on to the point that it feels drawn out but I like how to movie handles the wishing stone and how things continually being more chaotic to where I felt genuine anxiety about the state of things. Thought Diana and Steve still had good chemistry. And Pedro Pascal was a very fun villain
I can’t stop watching Flash.
This makes my heart so happy. It’s everything I dreamed of as a kid.
ZSJL is awesome, for me is not a guilty pleasure.
The Batman(2022) is the greatest superhero movie
Agreed. It’s the only superhero movie in my favorite films ever, it’s so beautiful and intriguing, pure art.
If you love prisoners and love Batman, it’s a GOAT tier movie
Birds of prey.. I think it's really good
Aquaman first movie
man of steel is excellent, its sad thinking of what could have been.
Batman v Superman directors cut. Have watched it 16 times. Love it to bits. What could have been 😭
…I kinda like Wonder Woman 1984
It’s BAD. Like really fucking bad but goddammit Pedro Pascal is so good and the emotional moments hit for me. Granted I’ve only seen it twice so I might think differently now
WW84 and AQTLK.
The Dark Knight
The Suicide Squad (2021) - honestly one of the better DCU movies
I think that one’s universally considered to be great so it’s not really a guilty pleasure
Not even close to a guilty pleasure. In fact, probably the most universally liked DCEU movie.
Superman Returns. My first DC movie ever watched.
Batman Forever
BATMAN FOREVER VIVA LA VAL KILMER!!!!!
But actually I loved the smooth introduction of a not child aged robin and Chris O’Donnell killed it as dick Grayson. And I really think if Tommy Lee jones just acted like two face instead of trying to play the joker it would be much more fondly remembered of a movie.
First aquaman
Even with how divisive Snyder is, I think ZSJL is the most palatable of his DC trilogy for most people. It's the closest of the 3 movies to having mass appeal, so even Snyder haters found some things to like about it. I don't know if I'd consider it a type of movie to be a guilty pleasure.
Black Adam
The whole DCEU is my ultimate guilty pleasure. It is endlessly fascinating and entertaining to me, the rough and the smooth. Watching something swing from Suicide Squad to The Suicide Squad, from Wonder Woman to WW84, from Josstice League to ZSJL. It is the wildest, most inconsistent and yet utterly fucking fascinating attempt at a franchise ever.
It was far, far from what it ever should have been. But to get something this wonderfully crazy is about the only good thing to come from excessive executive meddling, poor planning and confounding decision-making.
Love it.
I feel zero guilt about loving this.
Mine is 'the Abyss: Special Edition'
I don't understand how ZSJL is a guilty pleasure. It's a great movie.
I would say for me, it's probably WW84 or Steel.
Either Zack Snyder's Justice League or Val Kilmer's Batman movie
Josstice League
The Flash,BVS, Justice League Snyder's cut, Black Adam and Batman forever..... And honorable mention the first suicide squad, don't get me wrong the second movie by Gunn is way better but the first one has it's bad movie charm lol
Batman Forever