Judy Definitely Hates Victoria
Does any one else think Vic is autistic? Autistic people can come off entitled, passive aggressive. It's hard for them to read non verbal cues. Which is a lot of what DCC feedback is...
I wonder if Tina was told that VK was on the spectrum and she dealt with it by pushing her to be her 'mini me'?
I didn’t get the impression that she was autistic. Just a naturally introverted and insecure person who at times overcompensates.
Maybe VK is just plain stunted. I would hate for her to read this and start freaking out over it.
I think she would feel relieved. The spectrum is wide and broad. It seemed very hard for her to read non verbal cues. If they would have just told her you did great today. Or your energy is low out right she would have struggled much less.
I think she just has a hard time reading ppl in day to day. A meet and greet is different because she has a script. But no one looks better in DCC gear than Victoria. She could just be the face of the organization and not dance and be a massive boost to the brand. It would be cool to see her be the next Kelli.
It wouldn’t surprise me if she was with on the spectrum or has adhd.
She clearly struggles with her mental health/disordered eating and it’s time for her to move on from DCC. That environment isn’t helping her and I don’t think J and K can do much more. It was hinted at by peers and her own mother she struggles socially there. I thought the use of the phrase “insert herself back in” really interesting when Kelcey was referring to her returning after her break. That meeting made me feel like she wanted them to fawn over her and that isn’t ever going to happen (with any of them for that matter). She has made this her entire identity (helped along by the co-dependent relationship with her mother). She needs to move into the next chapter and focus on getting herself mentally healthy.
Yes the co dependency with mother is so dangerous
I felt bad for Kleine. Geez she asked where her ornament was and she was labeled selfish!!
Me too! I love Kleine!
I think VK is a very insecure young woman and unfortunately, as was pointed out to her from Kelsey - she was needing way too much external validation.
As her bosses, this can get exhausting. Even from the last meeting Kelli mentioned they had had numerous meetings over the season about things she needed to work on, but she always seemed like she just wanted them to tell her she was awesome.
Additionally - I just saw a video on IG of Judy yelling at her own grand daughter about arm placement during a flip - the kid looks about 7 years old. Judy is just Judy all the time, but I like her and Kelli just fine.
I thought the same thing. It would be SO exhausting to be around someone who constantly needs reassurance and validation. You can only give so much, especially from Kelcey, who is pouring from an empty cup. It would be hard to give without replenishing their own emotional resources
Kelcey is so selfless and it comes across in every interaction she has, especially with the rookies! Totally agree that it can be so overwhelming to the point where it is emotionally taxing and draining
I see Victoria as being terribly depressed and having a mother who made DCC her ENTIRE identity. Victoria wants more and needs to go live her life outside of Dallas forever.
she just seems over her haha. and they’re always gonna have girls they’re closer too. i got the vibe that they were warmer to Claire than Kelsey for example. Obv they like Kelsey but i just got a diff vibe when they were interacting w Claire tbh.
I don’t know I watched the doc and it felt like they were treating Victoria how they treated everyone. Of course they have favorites, and they treat those people differently. But I think them just being honest with Victoria about where she stands is the best thing they could have done.
I think Victoria needs an inordinate amount of handholding. And they were just not going to do that for her anymore. Period.
Agreed. I feel like she purposely isolates herself
Her mom isolated her. It’s pretty clear.
Yeah I think so too. There was one part where her mom said that Victoria is well-liked by other groups (where she’s the dance instructor so different dynamic) but she does not know what’s wrong with this group (peers).
Yes. One thing that is so clear about Victoria is how great she is when dealing with the public. She is so warm and genuine when talking to people at the retirement homes, etc. I can imagine she is equally loved as a dance instructor. She hasn’t had the chance to grow socially when it comes to her peers. I kind of relate to her, I didn’t have the best intrapersonal relationships with my peers until later in my twenties and thirties. I was constantly feeling like I was on the edge looking in and struggled with social confidence, and partly because I wasn’t confident in myself. She needs to spread her wings and get out of her awful mother’s thumb.
I completely agree! I am glad she made the move to New York, it definitely helped her in her independence and confidence. Her mom means well but it will stifle her growth and it showed. I am glad you are thriving now :)
You have no way of knowing this
Edit because I'm getting some really not intelligent people responding: you have no way of knowing if she is purposefully isolating herself. You're not on the team. You don't know her. Hope this helps 😋
They stated multiple times in the docu-series that VK wasn’t connecting with the other girls.
Yup! I watched the series. Not sure why you needed to say this lol
You said that the previous commenter has no way of knowing that VK was isolating herself. Kelli states multiple times in the series that VK was not making enough of an effort to connect with the other girls (ie. isolating herself). 🤷🏽♀️
This is a big part of why they didn’t view her as a potential leader within the team.
That's what Kelli said. You have no way of knowing the truth. Reading comprehension is your friend, I suggest you brush up :)
🙄 And yet you’re the one collecting downvotes…
“You have no way of knowing the truth”. No shit, Sherlock. You could say that about the entire series.
But if we’re going to quickly dismiss the credibility of anything anyone said in the docu-series or TV series, then why bother with this discussion? Why bother with this thread? Why even bother with this sub?
People come here to discuss and share their opinions based on the content of these series, not based on unknowable truths.
Sorry I'm not reading all that :) anyways, making snap judgments that she's the arbiter of her own loneliness in totality is very juvenile and comes off as hateful. Hopefully this helps end the drama over me just.... stating facts :) bye babe!
OMFG if they’re kind/sympathetic towards VK, you guys say they’re playing nepotism or favorites and if they make any critiques about her, they’re all of a sudden haters
THANK YOU.
It’s not really that, it’s just that she’s def being treated differently than the clear favorites (Kelcey, Claire)
But she was treated differently when she was the favourite in seasons 13 and 14
Judy is over the subject of nepotism which precedes VK's first audition.
she must have used up all her nepotism getting her daughter on the team when she didn’t deserve it
Judy is nepotism lol
Judy needs to retire, periodt.
Maybe or maybe not. Though I think its pretty cruell to air her dirty laundry on Netflix. K/J know that VK suffered from anxiety and depression and likely an eating disorder. And yet they have to "whisper on camera" about her struggles to socialize. Really?
It was probably agreed in advance that this would be VKs storyline - talented dancer, restrained by mother and not able to relate to her peers. hence the mention in ep 1
Judy and her shade in nothing new.
Yup I got those vibes too. 0 warmth from either of them. Interesting given that her daughter, another legacy, was treated like a queen by the organization and it’s debatable whether that was deserved or not
It's not a debate. She did not deserve it, nor did she earn it.
I think also she's speaking to her with that kind of familiarity - bordering slightly contempt - that family has? like she's kind of her aunt.
I think also Victoria is awkward and doesn't fit in. And they don't get how she doesn't see that (I mean ofc she wouldn't - why would she).
But yeah they're not v kind
And it was very telling when Victoria addressed Jerry Jones as just “Jerry”. I felt that if any other DCC had done that, they would have been given their head in their hands to play with
In the most respectful way possible. As many valid issues as Victoria has she imh and probably unpopular opinion Victoria was a bit of a brat. 🫣. Love her but based on how that meeting went, Victoria was talked to a lot during the season and not in a good way. So her coming back wanting a leadership role or just more responsibility I think caught them off guard hence their reaction. Victoria just didn’t seem that self aware to me. I think they like her as a person and a dancer but based on her own track record she just wasn’t their best cheerleader. I know from the past show Judy got tired of saying the same thing over and over to the women so there may have been some of that. Plus Judy also realizes Victoria is super sensitive and had to manage her in a way that was very realistic and try not to tank her emotionally. Walking on eggshells is not everyone’s style.
v did seem a bit delusional lol
Unfortunately, she did come across that way. Or at least maybe a little confused as to how to move up the corporate ladder of DCC. She just didn’t know how to play the game well. And it’s again unfortunate.
I think her teammates walk on eggshells around VK too.
I think so too.
And vic doesn’t talk to them like the other girls do. It’s that weird mix of she’s known them her life and now they are her boss. Yes kinda bratty. No one ever in DCC that I can remember has done well coming back expecting something to happen for them in terms of achieving something specific. I don’t think Judy hates her at all (and Vic was being dramatic when she said that - if that was the case she would be much more careful in how she spoke to them). But sure she seems frustrated with her. I thought k and j handled that meeting with her well. They were as clear as they ever are and gave vk the feedback she needed. Actually is annoys me this poor Vic narrative. She achieved great things in DCC. Showgroup early on, oxnards trips, lots of extra fun appearances. Great placement in thunder and made it back after a year off. For anyone else that is a phenomenal career. Plus. Also As mentioned by Kelcey she had nothing to do with k and j early in her career and yes she was scared of them. (Judy for sure has a bit of RBF). They really seem to only interact closely with the group leaders on the team. So Vic has had this benefit all her career.
I agree!!!
I think this is the best take. I don’t think she’s untalented, I just think she was raised in an “you’re the best and no one will ever be better than you” household which makes her entitled. I rolled my eyes so hard I got a headache when she started crying in the meeting with K&J because they were honest about not seeing her as a leader. I knew I wasn’t going to jive with her the whole time when they showed what her bedroom looks like. You’re 24… get rid of the sparkly pillows…
One thing I have learned is people do not change all that much. Victoria at 18 is still very similar to Victoria now , at least on camera. For people criticizing Judy and Kelli, Victoria was given multiple opportunities to succeed. Her first season trying out she was given opportunities to tone up. While I have my complaints about their practices when it comes to weight, Victoria would have never made it to training camp based on figure alone. Then in that very season Victoria was having issues with other DCC’s. Then the following year she came back better than ever but still had issues with the girls. Kashara made comments about her to leadership. Not sure what happened during Covid but the year after she took a year off and then came back for her final year which we just witnessed. I am willing to bet Victoria has always struggled with self image/esteem and her mom just has done everything possible to support her even to Victoria’s own detriment. I also think Kelli in her own way did the same but Kelli has to put business first hence why she was the way she was with her in that meeting. My initial reaction to that meeting was Victoria being manipulative. But that’s just me and I could understand why others might agree to disagree.
I feel like she self isolates herself on purpose with the girls - thoughts?
I stopped watching the show when VK came back her second time. Fast forward to the Netflix show, I was shocked that she hasn't changed since 18.
I can see that too. I doubt it was deliberate as in she didn’t like them. I know Kelcey mentioned the whole year off thing but, I just don’t see how they can take a bunch of new girls in and they fit in and not Victoria. My guess is she self isolates due to anxiety, failed attempts in the past or even and I hate saying this but feeling less than the other girls. Which is sad because she’s such a strong dancer/performer. There’s also the element of hating your job and just being over it. Lord knows in the past when I’ve been checked out of a job I came to work did what I had to do and took myself home. But yes it did mostly appear that she did isolate herself from the others. But I don’t think she in her heart wanted to.
I agree 100%!
Nah I think Victoria to her is still immature and very annoying. I think when she came back after getting cut she liked her but after that time she left she was over her
I think she's been done since the beginning! I'd really love to know what K ,& J said when V told them she was retiring. I'm sure they were relieved in their own ways, espec J.
Nah, she is just over her and I can't blame her
I can’t blame her either. Tbh, I’m over hearing about Victoria since the new show came out lol.
I’m not gonna lie she’s super annoying
They clearly don’t see the vision she has of being a leader bc while she’s warm and kind in public and is a talented dancer, that’s not a leader. She’s not someone who can lead a group bc she’s not relatable and she doesn’t know how to get along and get communication going with a large group of fellow dancers. V has this vision in mind of what the squad will be like for her, and it doesn’t match her actual functionality.