Vote to get the tories out. The country cannot sustain this.
The blue Tories are out anyway, whether I vote or not. Just a shame that the red Tories are the only ones to replace them.
Duopolies suck but congrats on George Galloway winning a PM seat for the workers party of Britain.
Old school environmentalists tend to be quite apolitical exactly because they care deeply about the nature. All human political parties are committed to growth and extraction and as such at odds with nature and other species.
I wouldn't say apolitical but sourrd on elections for sure
we're in this mess because of them. why should we believe voting would get us out?
Vote for what, our oppressors won't just let us vote them out, we need actual working class power, but it seems like capitalism has broken the brains of humanity and frankly there is no way to get to where we need to be in time.
Give us environmental candidates (or don't block them at every turn) and you will get environmental voters.
The best thing that could happen climate wise is if people realized voting was not going to save us and acted accordingly.
Well the Republican solution to climate change is to pretend it doesn’t exist and the Democrat solution is to simply ban things deemed “evil” without requisite replacements either available or affordable rather than actually use some brain power.
Cant blame people for not being attracted to either of those outcomes.
I find the responses here very sad
One party is trying to actively burn the planet down. The other, lets say is a mixed bag but pointing the right direction.
If you think Trump’s commitment to allow companies to pollute is equivalent to Biden’s recent work to clean up the environment… you need a better news source.
Biden has not been perfect environmentally, but he is moving the needle. If he had a congress that was not split… he would have moved the needle a lot more. Would have it been enough… no… but they were calling for 10x the funding that they actually got.. which was infinitely higher than Trump would have given
Vote! For your sake. For all the kids sake! Hold your nose, and vote for the really old guy.
You maybe right but enabling Israel's slaughter and using Ukranians as cannon fodder to fight Russis are World War 3 level contamination problems.
the ukrainians are asking for aid… not giving it to them would be worse po to support if you cared about the people there
isreal is more complicated… but Trump says gaza should be wiped out. so no denying where he stands
but these are not specifically environmental issues anyhow. if you care about the environment but dont vote because of Ukraine or Israel… i dont think the environment is a top concern.
the ukrainians are asking for aid… not giving it to them would be worse po to support if you cared about the people there
The way I see it, witholding aid would force a peace treaty. Russia and Ukraine had been negotiating back in 2022 but thar goofy brit Boris Johnson told Zelensky not to negotiate. The US doesn't care if Ukrainians die. Continuing to give them aid while Ukraine can't win the war just prolongs the war because the US wants to weaken Russia more than to truly help peasant refugees in Ukraine.
I don't support Trump in any way. Both are awful on Israel.
if you care about the environment but dont vote because of Ukraine or Israel… i dont think the environment is a top concern
Well yeah you're absolutely right that it isn't. Although the issues are linked. The US Military is the #1 polluter on planet earth though
Maybe. But then all the baltic countries are worried about invasion. And it sets a baaaaad precedent to china wrt to tawain
I get it. I would rather see less death. But i think bending over for putin and abandoning allies is not the best course of action
First off, Netanyahu has killed more civilians in 5mos than Russia has in 2yrs. Russia was still wrong to invade but I wanna point out how the Israel situation is much simpler and clear cut than Ukraine
Putin invaded because Ukraine isn't in NATO. The US govt and media shouldn't fearmonger about Purin attacking NATO because the reason he attacked Ukraine was to keep them out of NATO. It just doesn't hold up to logic. NATO is supposedly a defensive alliance but they do foreign interventions and have been advancing closer to Russia after promises not to.
Edit: I think I would take a similar stance on China vs Taiwan. I'm very anti-war.
I am not going to defend netanyahu. Never have. He is evil.
So it’s not about the lives then. Just the money and cost? What happens when you sign this peace treaty with putin and he breaks it again? No one stopped him with crimea or did much and so we are here.
I don’t think i would go over there an fight. But this is a pretty easy decision to support. He is evil. And this is a very cheap way for the US of support his demise. Annnnnnnd the Ukrainians are asking for aid. They would rather not sign a peace treaty and give up their fellow citizens and land. Just for a tyrant
So it’s not about the lives then
Absolutely about the lives. That's the sole reason for a peace treaty!
What happens when you sign this peace treaty with putin and he breaks it again?
He's never broken a peace treaty with Ukraine. Crimea was so easy for Russia to take because their Black Sea Fleet was hosted by the Russia friendly Ukrainian leader. Russia didn't have to invade Crimea. They were already there when the govt fell in 2014.
As for the coverage of Maidan in 2014, the allegations from Russia towards The West were that it was a sponsored coup to overthrow Ukraine and that the most violent part of the Maidan revolution were the Neo-Nazis on the front lines. Vice has reported on Ukraine's Nazi problem. I dunno if they got any direct support from the US but I remember John McCain and other US politicians giving speeches in Maidan square.
Putin has been quoted that they don't even want all of Ukraine just the two breakaway Republics in the East of the country and the other two adjoining eastern regions they already have control over.
The US is simply using these poor Ukrainians to try to wear Russia down. Putin isn't the madman hell bent on World Domination by force. The US has most of the world under it's thumb and wages economic warfare, by way of sanctions on about 12 countries bound together only by their opposition to the US.
Regular Afghan citizens cannot own any money because of the sanctions The US put on the Taliban as we GTFO there.
Putin is also a war criminal. Antigbtq. Anti semite. Who has stolen children. Imprisoned people for just speaking in opposition. And is it any doubt rhe ukrainians are asking for help? I wouldnt want to be in russia either
Putin has also said he wants all of Ukraine and the baltics back. They want a geographical defense barrier to Europe that includes all the old soviet countries. So how can we trust him? Look at alm the different motivations he has already provided for this war. Its about nazis right?
I am convinced there is more death and hardship if putin wins. A lot more. Look at what he does to his pwn citizens
Putin is also a war criminal. Antigbtq. Anti semite. Who has stolen children. Imprisoned people for just speaking in opposition
Oh I totally agree with you on all that. He sucks in those ways. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Hillary bragging about Qaddafi getting (in nicer wording) was disqualifying. The DNC corruption sealed the deal. It was a similar issue in 2020 when 4 candidates dropped out to screw Bernie and at least two got cabinet positions. As for 2024, what Biden is doing right now with Israel are crimes against humanity.
I'm British. Labour abandoned their green pledge, the greens are full of TERFs all the other parties are BAU or right wing climate denial nutjobs.
I'm staying at home. Again.