Bought a 2020 toyota corolla le back in august. Been trying to search online how to check the transmission fluid on my car but I hwar rumblings online that a 2020 corolla has no transmission fluid dipstick. Is this true? Is there anyway for me to check. Also since I don’t know if the transmission fluid was previously checked, should I go ahead and change just to be on the side of caution. And last note (told y’all I needed a crash course) my mechanic said that if I ever buy transmission fluid, to always buy it from the dealer since it’ll be better quality to use on the car. Is there any truth this?
Transmission fluid crash course needed pronto.
12th Gen (18-present)Woah rewind, why would it be best to leave the fluid untouched if its never been changed after hitting the 100k mark? Bought this car used (it was a hertz rental) so I have no idea if it was ever changed or not. Ps, thanks for the info!
So there's mixed opinions on what goes on, and there's a few different things going on, one problem is if you change the fluid too often, one is if you change it too infrequently.
- A transmission that hasn't had the fluid changed often enough will end up with a lot of wear metals in it, particularly from clutch plates, for the same reason that not changing your oil will do that, but draining that out can actually be bad for a transmission, because the wear metals were increasing the friction to make up for the worn out contact surfaces but now they've been drained out, so it may start to slip when it tries to shift. CVTs don't quite have discrete shift points, but they do have a valve body and a clutch, so I imagine the same concept applies, but it might actually be worse as they're basically doing smooth constant shifting throughout their operation, and friction is somewhat important for their operation as they don't use "gears" when shifting, they use a belt being compressed by the edges of two conical gears.
- Some of those wear metals might clump up together in a part of the valve body, then the addition of the new fluid might loosen them up and cause them to float down the valve body to a different spot and possibly cause a clog, kinda like when a person has a stroke. A valve body having a clog in the wrong spot can cause anything from slight weirdness or shift delays, to the transmission grenading itself because something didn't move when it should have, or moved when it shouldn't have, and two parts that shouldn't collide have collided and tore each other to shreds.
Bonus concern: Having the transmission connected to a flushing machine and having clean fluid rammed in one side and dirty fluid forced out the other might possibly cause this same clumping in the valve body, especially if the flush machine was not cleaned out before use - you might get some other car's dirty fluid getting crammed into your transmission, so a "flush" is generally discouraged these days in favor of a simple drain and fill.
There is a LOT of debate on how likely or how important each phenomenon is, but basically Toyota technicians are trained to either never do a transmission fluid change, or to offer to do a drain and fill once every 60k mi at most. The whole transmission and torque converter can contain up to 15 quarts of fluid, but a simple drain and fill only replaces a small fraction of that, maybe 3 to 5 or so depending on model. I suppose the idea is that adding a little new fluid freshens it up and restores the lubrication properties without removing a lot of the wear metals, but also doing this fairly often prevents a lot of wear in the first place, so the perceived difference in shifting performance between one flush and the next would theoretically be minimal. To me it sounds like this guidance is designed as a sort of middle of the road compromise. I think the above concerns really only matter if you (or a previous owner) have ever gone too long without a drain and fill, because the older and dirtier and more worn out that the fluid gets, the more that wear increases exponentially, so there's probably no harm in doing a drain and fill too often.
This stuff only applies for CVTs, possibly dual clutch, and regular automatics. Manual transmissions are simpler and can be changed as often as you like with no harm done, and can easily be taken apart and have the clutch packs replaced entirely.
Your mechanic is correct - use only Toyota CVT fluid. You can use aftermarket fluids everywhere else - but not the CVT.
Toyota offers a CVT fluid service - maybe 60k miles? I’m out in my back yard and don’t want to get my OM sorry.
It is called a “service” and not a “flush” or “change” because it is a partial drain and exact refill. Maybe half the fluid is drained - can’t get anymore without major expense.
I plan on doing it myself at 30,000mi or 5yr - whichever comes first. The fluid is now about $100? Not super complicated. Need to remove front wheel driver side & plastics to access the drain plug…there are YouTube videos. Toyota CarCareNut & maybe Scotty Kilmer.
Would drain and fill myself and yes go get transmission at the dealer you need Toyota transmission fluid. Be sure and measure what comes out so you know how much to put back in. You definitely don't want to overfill or underfill. Most cars anymore don't have a dipstick for transmission. That's so you will have to bring back to the dealership for repairs.
If it is a Hybrid it is ECVT like the other guy said. If it is a non-hybrid (standard gas only) then it is a typical CVT that requires the same service he suggested, but at the latest 60K miles.
The service department at my Toyota dealership said anywhere between 60k and 100k, doesn't really matter, probably isn't really necessary
Is it a Hybrid or not? If it's not a hybrid, switch dealerships, they are going to cost you a transmission, which is around $8k plus labor!
From a 32 year Toyota tech last night
ECVT we don’t even recommend them until 100k and CVT are drain and fill. If someone sells you a flush…run don’t walk, you can’t flush them due to high pressure. I guess you can flush them by drain and refilling it 3-4 times (diluting the system?) Our dealership stays within guidelines and we don’t recommend snake oils to get rich.
Long story short, there's no dipstick. They have a drain hole and a fill hole, the drain hole has a little tube that is taken out to drain it and put back in for letting it drain to set the proper fluid level, and if you let it go 100k mi on the same fluid, you're usually better off never touching the fluid ever again for fear of the fluid change itself causing problems. CVTs use Toyota OEM FE fluid, Hybrid eCVTs use something else, most other automatic transmissions use ATF.
Weber Auto has a video where they show the whole procedure while explaining more than you ever wanted to know about em at the same time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNcecuGzTDg
I appreciate The Car Care Nut as well, but for whatever reason it seems like he keeps forgetting that CVTs exist, and then tends to only put a short mention of them in the comments in most if not all of his videos about transmission fluid changes.