What happened to that "good Christian upbringing?"

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My mom is a huge Trump supporter. I’m gay and it is so hard to know that she supports someone who wants to erase my right to exist. I don’t understand how she can believe that someone who spouts that disgusting vitriol actually cares about anyone but himself. I was raised to treat everyone the way I want to be treated, yet she spouts off about “illegals” and “woke” agenda. It’s also infuriating that he is a convicted felon and rapist and that STILL isn’t enough. So I feel your pain.

I am not religious but my mom is and it’s like, do you really think Jesus or God would treat people this way?

Biden is not my first choice, but I would vote for a dog turd over the orange Cheeto.

they will die terrified under the incoming fascism just like everybody else. only difference is they will also die confused. the thought of a billionaire giving any fuck whatsoever about them is laughable. comical. and they'll never make the connection to their own mentally handicapped choices. they deserve it for what they have inflicted upon this country.

They never actually believed that stuff. Growing up in the south, singing “red and yellow, black and white, they are precious in His sight” in Sunday school and then immediately hearing those same adults who taught us that song spewing racism, it should have been obvious. But what did it for me was adopting a child with special needs, and the only people who tried to talk us out of it were Christians, one a pastor. This was pre-Trump, so I think that’s why I was less shocked than my friends at the hypocrisy that Trump brought out in our parents’ generation.

I’ve done a lot of political work over the years and it’s super annoying when some of my boomer relatives have said to me “I don’t know what I’m talking about.”

“Yeah, grandma, I just spent the last 4 months working on a campaign putting in 12 hour days but yeah, I’m just a kid (I’m now in my 40’s) who doesn’t know shit!”

I weep for the future.

I was brought up under those ‘Good Christian values’ and that’s why I’m an atheist.

This Qanon MAGA shit that’s bleeding in to families is coming through the churches.

It’s insane. I’m Canadian and it’s up here now and in my own family.

It’s crazy - who’d have thought American cultism would be the wedge?

When I worked retail the absolute worst customers we called “The crossed”, reference to a VERY NSFW Garth Ennius comic that just released at the time.  The reason? Because every single one, without fail or hyperbole, wore a cross necklace or bracelet and would throw a boomer fit. Sunday afternoons were the worst. It was horrifying and it was not just my friends and I but the entire store of over 40 employees called them that. It always felt like they had this righteousness “high” after church and thus had the right to do whatever they want but they really just seemed pathetic.

I’m convinced that very few American christians have any desire at all to live by christian principles. It’s just a social club. They love having the identity of being a christian, but it’s really just so that they can absolve themselves of the guilt that they know they should feel for all of their hateful behavior.

The logic of “I can’t really call myself a christian if I continue to behave with intolerance and hatred” is denied, but they think that “I can’t be a racist because racism is bad, and I’m not bad” is logical. They will do whatever it takes to make themselves feel good about themselves except being good.

So here’s the thing it’s an evangelical Protestant mindset due to the building blocks of that entire section of Christianity. Basically if you look at their salvation model all you have to do is “believe” in Jesus and his sacrifice and you are forgiven of all your sins forever. You just say the pledge and you can never go to hell because you can’t loose that salvation. So you get to feel like a good person and your ass is covered despite treating people like crap. If you tell them they need actions to back up their pledge they try to argue grace over works. It’s just a blank check to them to act however they want. With that in mind it doesn’t matter to them what trump did because in their minds he’s saved on that same theory no matter how he actually lives or acts. And if they agree he’s a terrible person and his actions do not show he’s “saved”. Then they might also be terrible people who aren’t really saved. It’s a mirror they don’t want to see themselves in.

Okay, so as a boomer, do you think Jesus would want you controlling women's bodies? I mean, he defended a prostitute. You (meaning Trump boomers) are not.

This stuff riles my piss in the Texan. (I live in England now, so you'll see a discrepancy about how I word stuff.) I don't get it. I do not get it.

It's like the US has lost its bloody mind since I left in 2005. WTF, my generation. I mean, I was never one to gel with people. I met my first transwoman when I was a kid, and I thought (to myself), "What's so wrong with this? She's beautiful." Same with lots of things I won't go into.

I stopped being a Christian because of this stuff. I now define myself as a naturalist pagan. There are no gods, just a lot of respect for the planet, nature, the species we share this place with, etc. No condemnation. No going to hell. None of this crazy stuff. Granted, I left before Trump, but I can't help but wonder, did we not learn from GWB?

I ramble. Thanks for the rant. If you want a hug from a 61-year-old lady (because I am soft and very cuddly), consider it done. If not, here's a smile that says, "You are amazing; don't let anyone tell you differently."

Methodism is like a recipe for cultural whiplash and moral injury in the last 25 years. I empathize. All that quadrangle stuff and weslayan perfectionism really runs up against nondenominational type “gut religion”

Boomers fucking hate Jesus and everything he stood for. They always have and always will. They just like using him as a weapon for violence and suppression.

Christianity is starting to fragment (again) because boomers think Jesus was a “liberal pussy.” Google it because it’s so baffling I don’t even want to explain it.

It was 1979, Jerry Falwell went to the Crossroads and sold his soul to Satan for personal power. You are witnessing the maturing of the Trickle Down Demon in search of Armageddon

We need to consider that a “good Christian upbringing” isn’t all that good.

Especially when its centered around unquestioning loyalty to the church and its dedication to a single misogynistic, homophonic , and racist point of view.

People completely forget that religion by design in exclusionary aka one group of people go to hell and other to heaven and all Christian denominations claim they are exclusive the pathway to heaven...in a multicultural world, you just realize how stupid that sounds when what they mean is heaven is exclusively for the racial sub groups these churches represent...and lets be honest in that Christianity and right wing Christianity at that is the epitome hypocrisy and grift...these are people who are so afraid of living in the real world and the only comfort they have is when being made to feel special at the expense of others

Not just older. I don’t need all 10 fingers to count the number of people I share DNA with that AREN’T raging hate filled bigots. :(

It's white supremacism; he is the one who articulates it for the most people, the lowest common denominator of the right. Everything they actually say about it is just noises they make.

The extreme people in my family don't bother talking politics to me because all they have are one-liners they've learned to parrot from TV, or room-temperature memes regurgitated from Facebook pages. They imagine that the one-liners and memes will make dissenters evaporate and get scared when that doesn't happen.

I got you. Was raised Southern Baptist. I've always been an atheist, but to be honest, the *majority* of the teachings I grew up with are very reasonable, inclusive, loving, respecting, etc. Now granted, there was a fair bit of racism, misogyny, and a twinge of sexual abuse, but otherwise pretty left wing stuff. That's what we were taught. It's been confusing all my life, certain things. But the last 8-9 years have been really rough. I really have no idea how to explain what's happened here.

I am not a Christian. But I see a huge disconnect between what Christianity is supposed to be and what most Christians are like here in America.

It isn't surprising their numbers are dwindling. They treat religion (and politics) like it's their favorite sports team, which can do no wrong. Where is the spirituality in that?

This very type of scenario is why I turned my back on Christianity. It was the pandemic and the Trump presidency that did me in. As far as my experience with the evangelical right during that time went, no one showed any love for their neighbors. No one put others first. No one cared that our leader's behavior was against the very principles they raised me to believe.

My mother now thinks I'm a lost sheep, and I think she's a brainwashed hypocrite.

I grew up methodist in NC too! I'll never forget my youth.minister.being run out of town and church because one of the other ministers was jealous of him. Craig had been the youth minister for years so all the teens and 20somethings had spent 6-7 years with him as he led youth group, confirmation classes and youth services. I left the church at that point.

A couple years later, my granny was going on about the man at the meat counter and how his wife recently died and his children weren't able to come home for christmas. I said she should invite him to ours since we had plenty of food and room. Cant do it BitterDeep! He's black! We don't eat with those people.

Made me sick. All that stuff they teach in Sunday school is a lie. Then they are mad we believe it and are liberals.

This is how I realized Christianity is a lie and God doesn’t exist.

I think your Aunt is the definition of a Christian Nationalist, their version of Christ is right at all costs, even a little rape. I was once told by a CN that it isn't a sin is you didn't enjoy the rape. I was like WTAF?

I remember in 2016 putting together a list of bible verses that showed how he was the antithesis of Christian values. Only to be met with “but her emails” from relatives and old friends.

Now the cultist are excusing criminal behavior because Biden is a socialist. A claim which makes all of the actual socialist chuckle.

This is the point guys. The 2025 thing is to radicalize the Christians and the right. The left will see this as a threat. The right has seen the left as this growing threat for years now and now they got a organization that promises the saving of America. "In there eyes" the taking of roe vs wad and letting in all the ppl at the border was all to radicalize both sides to the point of hating each other so much that they feel if they don't run and vote the other side may win. But I challenge everyone to consider. What if we all did nothing? Yea it won't work if everyone isn't on board but like if more and more ppl just started slowly doing nothing and breaking away from society and starting our own way. Like growing our own food and stuff? Like the Amish basically, yea it won't be fun and it will suck. But we got to think of something guys. Wars, ppl starving everything we all hate is because of this system in place and we keep saying we'll if we elect this rich asshole it will fix things. We'll I'm sry but that's not true and it's only gotten worse. We the ppl need to learn to stop fighting with each other if the boomers want this system let them have it after all they created it and the only reason it still continues is because we all keep playing the game. The system is designed in a way so you to broke or scared to not work but I'm here to say that we need to give up our little bit of luxury for our future children and stop thinking of ourselves. I'm not saying I got the answer here but we need to realize what's going on and stop playing into it. Why can't we say fuck this and live like the Amish for a bit to reset this shit system the rich have made to only benefit them? It isn't for us it's for the children of the future.

This. I grew up on big Christian values in a very Christian church. While I’m not practicing because there’s too much corruption in the church, I still hold a lot of the values I was taught. I also don’t want to risk my children being exposed to men who portray themselves as godly, only to sexually assault them. I have a son who is non verbal and we have to be careful who he is with. It’s why I don’t understand how Christians today can be okay with what Trump stands for. He’s the epitome of corruption. He’s the opposite of what I was taught that was good.

"Good Christian upbringing" never existed. It was a self-replicating myth that worked fine until the "believers" began rubbing up against the world outside their bubbles.

I grew up in a conservative, Christian family. Nothing learned about loving your neighbor unless they are gay, immigrant, disabled, etc. I have no idea where some people get it from that the outright hatred towards some of these people fits in line with those beliefs.

I guess it's more the Christian = Republican mindset that has developed over the decades? These days it seems like that has switched, but the older generation doesn't want to believe that.

I’m a Jew and a liberal and I agree with everything you said. Trumpism among religious Jews is so disturbing

They “believe” in Christ, yet they essentially worship a man who is completely opposite of Christ in almost everything he believes, behaves, says. 

Almost an…Anti-Christ, if you will. 

Wait till Orange Jesus kills Social Security and Medicare...

Raising a child as Christian is child abuse plain and simple - you are lying to children to frighten them into compliance with a threat of eternal torture for a failure to comply with rules which are unclear and contradictory and out of place in modern society

There is no such thing as a "good Christian upbringing" because the very ideas that Christianity are founded on (exclusion, human sacrifice, blood magic, violence and the ability to avoid accountability for your own actions- so long as you belong to the right group) are as antithetical to real human morality as one can get - it is a perversion and it is disgusting and teaching this to children is incredibly damaging and abusive

Religious faith is not a virtue - it is a failure of critical thinking and moral understanding and those who profess it should be ashamed of their vast ignorance and participation in such a disgusting and ridiculous enterprise

The Golden Cow made a comeback before Jesus did, big sadge.

When asked about how fascism starts, Bertrand Russell said: "First, they fascinate the fools. Then, they muzzle the intelligent."

Block her.

Theists are bad people pretending to be good. 

When I hear boomers/evangelicals saying hateful stuff like this, I just want to reply "I'll pray that the Lord Jesus removes these hateful ideas that the Devil put into your heart ..."

My husband is the same as you. He grew up evangelical. He watched his church bow down to Trump, latch onto conspiracy theories and support authoritarianism. It makes him very angry that what he was raised to believe no longer matters to the people who raised him. He says he will never go to church again. I find it sad that something that was such a big part of his life when we met is now a source of pain for him. His was a good Christian upbringing (his parents are absolute angels), but he can no longer be Christian.

I’m a former evangelical, and former Christian and a few years from retirement. After all of the horrible things I saw come out of conservative Christians during the AIDS crisis I thought I couldn’t be shocked by their moral depravity any longer but they somehow manage to keep surprising me with new lows.

This is a thing for a ton of exvangelicals. We're all (ok not all) radicalized far-left activists ready to go to prison to save a homeless encampment or protest race violence, and our parents call us dirty commies (which I mean isn't not the truth I guess, especially after a protest).

It's like, who instilled these progressive values in us, moron? We're out here loving our neighbors and crushing the oppressor... It's not our fault that you're raging unapologetic racist imperialist hypocrites on the side of evil. Did you not notice the problem when your new Messiah was a certified, confessing, unapologetic, lying serial sexual abuser and now convicted felon?

What’s good for me is not for thee.

A lot of people like to describe themselves as "A good Christian" or a "God fearing person". I believe something has been lost over time and the Christian community at large has lost the moral high ground.

A friend uses this approach : I get that you support someone with your values and behavior you admire. You don't have to think for yourself when you find a leader who represents your values so you don't have do any research. I am happy you can vote for someone just like you.

I grew up So Baptist. I am appalled at the mental gymnastics my family has to go through to support that man.

I was treated so poorly for not living a good Christian life because I chose differently in my teens. It is such an insult.

My bommer parents (who we are no contact with bc of a lot of reasons) are in charge of the family reunion every year and stuck the MAGA logo on the invitation this year. We are obviously not going bc they will be there, but yikes, they just keep proving our point of being toxic.

You would think my family, the people that raised me to believe these things, would see this plain as day too, but oh heavens no.

You have basically underscored the main reason why I have not set foot in church in several years. The very people who taught me to love and do unto others, obey the Ten Commandments, and help the less fortunate are the same ones who have embraced one (and his ilk) who embodies the exact opposite of all of that. It's fucking hypocritical and I cannot, in good conscience, be associated with such people.

fellow methodist here!

same thing as you, literal same.

my grandfather was going OFF on me on a tangent about Trump (i just mentioned how scared i was for my kids) and how he "would never do something like that" "it's fake".. blah blah

we got into a pretty heated argument about it. I have THREE daughters.

I looked him straight in the face (with tears in my eyes) and said, "I know grandma is rolling in her grave right now watching you behave this way and believing these things with your whole heart". and that man stopped dead in his tracks and straight up told me he did not give a shit.

he was with that woman for over 50 years. I had never seen him cry until the day we all were in the hospital watching her die. I held him afterwards and cried with him. I never imagined him ever EVER behaving this way..

he really loves this orange potato so much that he does not give a shit that if his wife was still alive, she would hate him. I don't know how to get thru to this man.

I'm just going to start telling my family I'm going to pray they find the right path 🙏🏼🤣😭 like the boomers have always said to us

"I'm praying for you that you get on the right path. you seem so lost and need guidance"

Donald Trump raped a 13 year old with Jeffrey Epstein. How many other children did he rape? Because you know it’s not a one time thing.

Anyone who supports republicans is a pedophile in my eyes. If you see a pedophile rapist and not only do nothing, but support them? You might as well traffic the kids to his bedroom yourself.

All of the family members that disowned me last week go to the same church together in my home town. 3 days before Christmas my aunt told me to leave the country if I didn’t like it (my husband is Mexican) and my other aunt, her sister told my mother that I wrote threatening disrespectful things to her. My cousins all put angry face icons on my social media in unrelated posts. My mother then legally disowned me by going to an attorney with my antivax maga sister and her husband. I found out later and then when I didn’t react my mom asked me “are you upset with me about the lawyer visit?”

There’s no reason for me to be upset. I don’t want her house. I don’t want her property. My only concern is that she is safe and then she has a place to live because the property taxes are so very high in the state that she lives

Against her own best interest, she pitted my sister and I against each other , and literally disowned me and none of my relatives will talk to me anymore, there’s no more family gatherings and I’m told whenever I contact them to try to make peace that it’s all my fault. The last family gathering was 2019, and my sister had a temper tantrum on mother’s day 2021 and tried to baker act me for visiting my mother because she left the house after my mother gave me permission to visit after she survived a major heart attack.

My sister got impatient and wanted to come home (her and her husband and daughter lived with my mother) so she tried to call the cops after she drove back and saw my car in the driveway. Because my sister robbed the local Pizza Hut with my dad‘s gun when she couldn’t pay her mortgage and lost her house, then attempted suicide and my mother wouldn’t take her to the hospital because of it looking bad and then my sister committed a second crime of falsifying prescriptions from her bosses (she worked in a medical office of a surgeon) she stole his prescription pad and got caught writing opiate prescriptions to herself.

I moved away and work in university science research and my sister and her husband are so ignorant that they call anybody that goes to university “naked college people “

I love how she uses the patriarchal language of white nationalism, too “coming over our border and raping our women.”

American women exist to serve as sexual objects and punching bags for AMERICAN men, dagnabbit.

And she just parrots their language as though she would even be considered fully human in their utopia.

I'll give you a tip, my mother is this way. These people don't give a shit about Jesus or the scripture, it's something they can use to feel superior and to make themselves untouchable.

I hate Christianity, and growing up around Evangelicals is why.

My values mirror yours. I’m continuously baffled by people who profess their devotion to Christianity and who support Trump. How???

If Jesus returned today republicans wouldn’t believe him.

The priest probably took it .......

They are the reason people hate Christians and are leaving in droves.

Yes! I was also raised in a devout Christian family. Thank God my mother is gone. My father (silent gen, veteran of 2 wars) supports Trump for no reason other than “Fuck the system.”

It makes no sense to me.

Feels like saying "and this is why younger generations are leaving the church" is a good comeback to any Christian who supports Trump.

Then again, project 2025 is "if they leave the church because our actions don't fit the bible, march them into church at gunpoint."

I’m the same way. I grew up Baptist and in a conservative household. My first election I voted Republican because I thought that is what Christians did. Even though on a personal level, I also voted in favor of gay marriage when it came on the state ballot. I got older with more life experience and left both the Christian church and republicanism. I am still religious, but one that would see me in the chambers in the first one or two rounds if MAGA is allowed to come to power. They are doing everything they warned us about in church, from worshipping a false god, not taking care of the poor and sick, and certainly not living up to what I believe Christ preached. I don’t know what Bible they follow, but it’s not the one I studied and (at least partially) believe in.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NotADragQueen/s/DBR4PbyiVm

Trump rapes 12 year old girl...who is the pedo president again?

Trump did his raping inside the walls of this country as a US citizen. Her argument on that is moot.

There ain’t no god. It’s a made up fairy tale. Until someone shows one ounce of infallible evidence showing any god exists, I will by stand by that statement.

For anyone who wants to attempt it, comment right here:

I'm more agnostic in my beliefs now, but there's a part of me still believes that someone is out there maybe. Anyway, I do see him as the antichrist too. He's Presbyterian or however you spell it, but the kind who only cares about himself. Frankly, I'm glad that I'm not the only one who views him in this light.

I love the way you put “…trading that message for one stained in orange and decadence.” So descriptive, and so true.

Could you try an experiment and report back? (For science!!! hehe)

Write a post about Biden that's morally wrong, plug in a reference to the Bible or a Christian value and ask how can we allow somebody like that in the highest office. The twist is you need to use a story that's in fact about Trump with available proofs.

Then, when you have enough replies and ripped shirts, you link the sources and ask to share these links.

Hello fellow rural NC neighbor! I have a sneaky suspicion we're related. 🤣🤣🤣 You have absolutely got to be talking about some of my extended family! Our stories are identical and I have just had to withdraw from those that believe that way. The hypocrisy is astounding, especially as it pertains to their "faith". Most of them have me thinking now that they've possibly been hypocrites all along. Blows my mind!!

Most "Christians" are not beleivers..... The measuring stick is their actions and who they support. Is it Christlike? Is it in line with Jesus's Sermon on the Mount? If not then they never truly beleived. Lord forbid they vote for "Conservatives" who preach the opposite of Jesus. Soul Poison. They lied. They live lives of unnexamined denial.

Rule One: Leave the judging to god (doesn't stop us from having opinions!)

My father did a 180 late in life. He was always an extreme right wing racist hater of all things not how he wished them to be. He loved to argue, said one of his favorite things was to make girls cry and seemed to get a kick out of telling my dates they could do better. An all around POS you could say. No clue what happened but he actually became a decent person, kind, loving and respectful of others life choices (especially mine). He went from sink or swim to offering to buy me a house near him, trying to give me his car, replacing my computer when it blew up, but best of all just accepting I was different then he'd wanted but still his favorite daughter in the end. Sometimes late life changes can be positive, maybe your great aunt is going through a phase or ummm....maybe she's bat.... crazy? (have to be to support that thing!)

Trump is the most Christian president ever — hateful, inappropriate to children, greedy, and bigoted, he hits all the core Christian values.

I heard a lyric that really put it into perspective of how I feel about Christian right-wing evangelicals.

‘And if Jesus Christ returns, we’ll just kill that fucker twice.’

Evangelicals are going to tow the Republican Party line come this election. If Jesus Christ really did return, though? I am 100% convinced the average right-wing American evangelical Christian would make Jesus a martyr again in the name of the Republican Party.

Most evangelicals (not all, but a large majority) aren’t followers of Christ. If they truly were, they would not even be aligning with the values the Republican Party espouses.

They're not hypocrites. They NEVER believed any of that, they always only ever just mouthed the words because it kept them comfortably unchallenged, because that's really their goal - to not be confronted or judged for their horrible beliefs and choices. They're teaching you about what kind of people they've always been.

Yes. I'm at the point where I'm seriously entertaining supernatural forces. It's like a veil have been pulled over people's eyes. The church has turned into an empty shell that dark forces have crawled into. Antichrist.

That what she said is disgusting, that she is disgusting, that he is disgusting. And that I know just how God feels about people like that.

Do be careful—this is one of the ways we can find ourselves taking God’s name in vain, by firmly stating that we know what he thinks. We know how God views the behavior, and we know how he views the sinner.

I agree with you on the amazement at how people who have been Christians, who taught us the virtues we are trying to apply. Who in so many other ways are loving people.

I’m not a Methodist, but the most vocally loving and liberal Christians I know are Methodists.

I’m so grateful that in my family, we don’t have this sort of strife. My father had a robust Christian faith, and that faith has absolutely informed his and my politics. The people who matter most to me are firmly anti-fascist and anti-Trump.

I have fundamentalist cousins that I don’t know that well, since they live far away (Idaho); I do know her brother much better, and he has said, “They are the most loving people I know, and they were homophobic as all get out. They made some comment about gay people, and my wife and I firmly said, ‘We personally know many LGBTQ people, and they are some of the most wonderful people we’ve ever known.’ And I think that opened their eyes a bit.”

They’re still Trump supporters, but they’re not the ones I care about the most.

It never existed

So sorry for you!

I live with my 88y mom, because she isn’t doing well. She raised me as a moral obligated person and I am so thankful that she is firm in her beliefs and despite’s Trump as i do.

It was always bullshit, that’s what happened.

Hey, did I write this!? You get my upvote.

That "good christian upbringing" is largely a myth. I was born and raised in the bible belt too, but i deconstructed at a young age and began to see christianity from the outside and for what it is a long time ago. Most denominations of christianity, particularly in the american south, have preached varying degrees of social intolerance for generations. Christianity has been a hypocritical religion for longer than youve been alive. Thats why christian conservatives in general and boomers in particular love hateful politics.

People recently like to pretend that these problems started with trump and his supporters, but its always been here. The majority of christian conservatives have been fighting civil rights for all manner of minorities, attacking womens autonomy, and trying to impose their religion by rule of law for decades.

Honestly the annoying orange may well have already been talked about in the book of Revelation

I was raised to be conservative. In my 20s I started changing. I have changed so much that around 45 I did not even need the cherry picked lovey dovey Jesus fluff in the Bible and realized I could throw the whole thing out and still be a good person. Jesus probably didn't exist anyway.

The truth is when it comes down to it most Americans worship cash over anything else. They’d overlook just about anything for lower taxes or prices. The Christian identity is just a shield to convince themselves they are in the right. They’re fine with starving children or burning books as long as they still have the book that tells them it’s all forgiven immediately after.

This is why be gay and do crimes is the new dont step on snake.

Its been so upsetting to see the parent who instilled my morality as a kid now act completely against it.

There's hope. I'm not religious, but my brother and mom are Christian. My mom was always a denial Republican like yours, but after divorcing Fox News stepdad she's moved to the other side, based largely on Christian morals. She's not a liberal, but she views Trump as unchristian.

I had one that told me even if he raped multiple kids it was to find the democrat pedophiles and he was forced to do it.

So I can only presume they are the same willing to rape a child over some fairy tale of blood sucking Hollywood democrats.

In fact since I was a kid I’ve been suspicious of those introducing themselves specifically as “I’m a good Christian”. Good Christians don’t have to tell you. Good Christians don’t put it in their business card. And good people do not follow an evil sadistic man just because he is the end to a means.

The Veneer of The Pious is to preach and teach the fear of hell to others, l-o-u-d-l-y and constantly, in order that they can use the distraction TO HIDE AND COVER the thoughts and desires actually consuming their hearts.

I was raised very much in a religious household and in college like did several Bible studies and all of those things. I am an atheist at this point, but that religious upbringing is why I am a leftist. Jesus's view for what the perfect church/world should be in the Bible was what I wanted also. I wanted us to take care of one another. And to help people and love people no matter what and not be greedy and mean hearted. Idk how those values became evangelicals trying to control other people's bodies and lives. But it sucks. Jesus would absolutely not be a Republican so it's wild to me when he gets used as their political tool. There's a small part of me that hopes I'm wrong because then all of those people would have to get to heaven and have Jesus be like what the fuck y'all.

You should bring Jesus into the equation next time. Your last two paragraphs are what you need to say to her. These people don’t care about facts. You’re wasting your breath. Bring up Jesus and you might make a dent in her opinions

I'm so fortunate that my parents did not go the conservative boomer route.

I was to raised Catholic, went through 8 years of Catholic school and 2 years of CCD. Technically, by 5th grade I started questioning everything I was taught after learning about evolution (in school...yay Catholic school who still taught evolution).

Most of my mom's family are racist bigots and while Catholic they were never strong Catholics.

My dad's extended family varies but the one that stands out are my ultra conservative cousins on Ohio. They aren't Catholic but some other denomination that are strict (and yet they have other people in their lives who are 10x worse). They have full faith in Trump and see him as some kind of God. They go on about Biden being a pedo and other bizarre claims.

How the hell do they look at Trump and see a godly person? I have never seen anyone LESS godly.

Side note: these cousins have one daughter who is now married. She did not KISS her husband until their wedding day. She got married in her late 20s and has struggled with fertility (and was even told that she likely can't have children). Her spouses family are 10x worse and shame her for not being able to have kids because she isn't godly enough for their son. Like fuck these people.

I’m with you. I’m still a Christian but not a Republican or Trump follower. I use Facebook mainly for Marketplace.

I once believed that I got my sense of social justice and worldview from my deeply religious (nothing about a serious matter can be said without reference to a Bible verse) parents.

I was definitely wrong. Even sadder, my mother is an SA survivor and voted for the rapist... and will likely continue to do so.

I heard it described as the plantation mentality: one rich white man with unlimited power controlling everyone else. Given that my mother was educated in a sun-down state and her propensity to quote talking points of the Lost Cause, this seems like a logical explanation.

Hippie Jesus is dead since Nixon

All hail Nazi Jesus

I'm atheist nowadays, for multiple reasons, but I remember the teachings from the church of my childhood, and (perhaps curiously) try to follow a lot of them.

My boomer parents, the people who made sure I went to that church, are now soooooo against the teachings of what jesus is reported to have said. My only consolation is that even the most batshit-crazy of people here have not a patch on what I read about our friends in America experiencing.

“Raping our women”. Oh, where have I heard this before 🤔

A brown person became president and told them to care about poor people, that's what happened.

Trump ia an insult to humanity.

I'm so glad my parents hate Trump. Both religious, they just don't shout from the rooftops like my Southern Family, who most bought into Trump. Also one cousin recently married after college, so now of course she has to start pumping out the babies. My SO and I live in sin, but we're happily sinful and not hurting anyone.

Tell your aunt if she hates rapists so bad, she should hate trumpty dumpty!!!

I am no expert, this is what I understand from some of the media I have consumed over the past few years.

Dr Steven Hassan has the BITE method of telling when something is a cult. He was a member of the Moonies in the 70s and an expert in these things. I saw an interview with him talking about Ginny Thomas before Alto’s wife was also exposed as being involved in some political stuff with the insurrectionist flags etc.

He was talking about how she had been in a cult before, got out, but never really did the deprogramming. That’s how she fell so hard into QaNon. Religion is similar.

I want to state I’m not saying Christianity is a cult or any specific denomination or religion or anything is a cult. However cults (or just nefarious individuals) use the guise of harmlessness or things like Christianity to lure people in, once they are stuck there things ramp up. Cults do this, hate groups do this, abusive partners do this etc., peer pressure, pressure to fit in, being too afraid to go against the grain and be ostracized by your community. Especially for older people, the thought of being shunned by your community is rather frightening.

The fear mongering is a big part of it as well, it’s much easier to control people who are afraid/on edge/not thinking critically.

That’s my understanding anyway, I am by no means an expert or even a student of psychology, just a person who is curious and likes to learn.

Fuck everysingle boomer cultist.

I deleted 90% of the people I knew from church on FB over their posts during the 2020 election season and the first couple months of 45's reign of terror for this exact reason. Seeing the leader of my church talk about "illegals" like they're some kind of plague-bearing scourge was heartbreaking in a way I cannot even explain. Just thinking about it is making my blood pressure high.