Will Berserk end with Guts and Griffith fighting as equals?
DiscussionWell put
Guts tried to be his equal and it broke Griffith.
Couldn't handle his own....
I know bro ain’t ready for me
I feel like this scene was building up to the near the end of the Golden Age, where we see Griffith vs Guts for Guts’ freedom from the Hawk.
Yh, was thinking it might extend beyond a single moment.
How patterns often repeat in the story
Nietzsche’s eternal recurrence plays out to a degree in Berserk. I think on a cycle of 1000 years give or take.
He already waxed him as equals in the rematch
Smoked him with one swing.
Everyone thinks it will be Guts but I have a feeling it will be Casca. Its arguable that she was more wronged by Griffith than Guts was. She was raped, her baby corrupted and then possessed. She lost her mind and also lost her comrades just as Guts did. The Moon boy will be the lynchpin. Its affection to Casca will be Griffiths downfall.
I see the behelit being for Casca.
On one hand, my mind goes to "Casca uses behelit, Casca gains god powers, Casca takes out Femto", which would follow.
On the other, we know that Becchi is a regular behelit, and that those are only good for summoning the God Hand, so what good would it do? If anything, it can be used to start the final confrontation.
Have we ever seen someone become an apostle? Or is the closest we’ve seen the count, or ganishka? I think it could be similar to that
Probably won't be much different than with griffith. Just simpler and less ceremonial
Casca is the only person I really can't ever see using the behelit, like I think just seeing a behelit might put her in a coma.
BUT Casca using the behelit and sacrificing Guts to Femto in exchange for their child or something would be the worst possible ending so maybe something changes to make that possible
Guts can't be sacrificed because he already has a brand. One of the Godhand states it when the Slug Count attempt to sacrifice him.
What happens if Griffith is denying his apostles to devour Casca, who he apparently is trying to shelter/keep prisoner in Falconia right now. Could that erode his powers as he is essentially taking back his sacrifice?
Nah, Guts was already ahead of Griffith after that duel in the snow.
Griffith being unable to move forward and being petty towards Guts to the point of what he did to Casca, id say Griffith will face Guts with lowkey insecurity if the current Guts comes out stronger and has overcome all the depressing shit that he went thru from the latest chapters
Falconia has to collapse.
Griffith loses his power.
Glad Mori's picked up the torch
No Guts will buttfuck griffith and give him the most painful backshots ever
Canon
Wtf💀💀💀
The night with Gennon will remain as an anecdote
Unlikely but it's possible.
Something like guts gets Griffith to agree fighting him in a fair duel without his magic powers.
It's not likely but I could see it.
You got any ideas for how you see it ending?
No. I can't really predict berserk. I can tell you things that won't happen. But there are too many possible endings that could happen.
I still think Guts is gonna need some kinda upgrade, whether it’s to him or Dragonslayer, to really get Griffith attention.
It's possible
Guts will NEVER be Griffith's equal now. Griffith can transform into Femto whenever he wishes. And what can Femto do? MANIPULATE GRAVITY, WARP REALITY, FLY, AND DEFINITELY HAS A FOOT LONG COCK.
Yeah I know. As I said.
Maybe he could convince Griffith to have an honorable duel as humans.
Again unlikely but possible
Guts will not convince Griffith to do that. There is nothing in this world that Griffith hates more than Guts. He would never listen to him. It's also against Guts' character to challenge Griffith to a duel.
That's why I said unlikely. But we can't rule it out.
We can absolutely rule it out. I would like you to imagine Guts convincing Griffith to do a human only duel in your head.
Then open your eyes and realize how it makes no sense narratively.
My guy this is a story with magic. Anything can happen.
He doesn't have to convince him. Maybe they cast some magic shit binding him to his human form.
Idk. I am just saying a emotional final duel harkening back to their previous 2 duels is very satisfying as a conclusion.
How we reach that is not something we can guess.
And as I said I don't even think that it's likely. But it certainly can make sense narratively.
Omfg I'm tired of this "The story is about this and that and has this and that, so anything can happen 🤓" bullshit
No amount of magic is going to change the actual narrative. Unless we're suddenly given a being that is able to do so out of the editors asscrack.
I am just saying. Narratively a final duel fits very well.
How we get to that point is not something we can predict. There is a million different ways we can explain.
But I mean I still don't think it's likely.
No. Unless they pull out a random loophole, Guts will never be on the level of Griffith. Well see in 5 years I guess.
Guts trips over some random demon, falls off the cliff and fucking dies. Griffith has gotten busy with politics and forgotten Guts even existed.
Guts comes back in a with lower intelligence and forgets his beef
Oh God I hope not. Funnily enough this reminds me a little bit of Naruto but let me tell you the "previous Rivalry but now we look eye to eye" story ultimately didn't work there and those boys were a rape on your lover, basically killing your child, all your friends being massacred, you having the worst 2+ years of your life while being sentenced to an afterlife in hell and as of now taking your lover hostage, short of the current conflict.
To me it would massively unsatisfying if Griffith in any shape or form would survive and not be punished by being sentenced to eternity in the Spiral for what he did. I want Guts to deal the killing blow (I do not know for sure how, though I have my theories), I do not expect him to be all black swordsman about it because part of this story is to learn that there are more meaningful things in life then revenge, if you want to make it cliche (which miura would have never done) let Griffith acknowledge him in his last moment and if it must let Guts be sentimental about it for old times sake but chop the guy's head off please.
Griffith's getting dragged into hell, booy
I just want pippin back man
Bring Donovan back too and we have a deal
Never, Griffith is the absolute. Corkus was right in mocking Guts for thinking he would be Griffith's equal.
Corkus was a moody little turd
I think it ends with Griffith's ego being destroyed and his being is assimilated into the moon child
Safe bet and probably correct.
A happy ending suggests Guts, Casca and their child living happily
I think in the final battle , schierke will be with guts , maybe help him manifest sumn astral, Striking Griffith in the astral realm. Griffith will think he dodges guts sword , but gets cut down in his astral body. There’s. A lot going on tho with moon boy. If casca does use the egg , she would prob sacrifice her son , maybe after seeing guts die… thus killing Griffith . Womp
Solid ideas here.
I still think beserk is a tragady: I don't think it ever goes how we want it. It's heartbreak after heartbreak and nothing goes well for the protag. At this point I think rickert will kill Griffith, casca will join the dark hand and sacrifice isidro, schierke, farnese, and seprico. Guts will break down and trade places with casca becoming the damsel in distress not capable of anything but being broken, and skull knight will save rickert. We will see the circle of the godhand continue, it won't ever stop. In this world, the destiny of man is controlled by some transcendental entity or law, It is the god hand hovering above, it is true that no man has control; even over his own will.
Rickert, I believe, showed how you could only hurt Griffith if you didn't hate him.
Love is the answer, bro.
All night long.
you have opened the door in this conversation for Casca to be the one that kills Griffith and her own child as a consequence. she loves Griffith the most.
Mission accomplished lol
I don’t think so. At this point Griffith has ascended to near godhood and the only way Guts could match him is by the ritual of sacrifice which there’s no way he’d ever do. I’ll bet that there will be a climax where the behelit he has leads to him having the opportunity to sacrifice his new team for revenge and he refuses the chance.
Unless he somehow loses his power. The Behelit is significant. I suspect it's for Casca.
It would truly make Guts the hero to refuse what Griffith could not.
Unless there’s something we don’t yet know, the behlit requires a sacrifice to grant any power. That’s why I think it will make the offer to guts since he has a group of loyal followers. So far casca doesn’t have that group except guts and could you imagine how brutal the ending would need to be for casca to sacrifice guts?
Haha, true. Didn't actually think about the need for a sacrifice.
Honestly Casca sacrificing Guts sounds like a truly Berserk ending.
Gut Punch
That doesnt work, since guts was already sacrificed. Cant sacrifice a person twice lol
Says who?
I hope so, but check out that fish face on Goots here.
Goots and Groffoth
What if everyone dies and Guts and Griffith and the last ones fighting
Sacrifice everyone and end this story as tragically as it began.
It would prolly be a sad and dark ending
I don't want Guts to kill Griffith. I want Guts to find actual peace and live happily with Casca. I want Griffith to die slowly and painfully and have his last vision be Guts and Casca living peacefully and him dying full of regret and sadness.
Good ending. Let's wait and see but this seems worthy.
I suspect Griffith becomes their child through the moonlight boy.
Femto gets sent to hell.
the whole femto, griffith, the moon boy, the other grifith thing is confusing me
i dont think guts can beat femto but if he is gonna win physically it would be a fight with the grifith that stole casca imo
Void is the key
Maybe Void becomes the idea of evil, buts Femto in his place and then Griffith ends up as a bitch in the snow once again.
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If it does happen, wonder how Griffith will lose his power.
Guts will not win through physical battle, but rather through philosophical/spiritual means.
It will probably culminate in:"What is a god in the face of a non-believer", but instead of believing in god it is about causality and defying predeterminated fate.