i am suspicious surrounding the circumstances of his death especially concidering current regional developments. i have my doubts about whether this was an accident or not. Apperently he crashed due to bad weather
Looking at pictures of how foggy it was, it seems entirely plausible that this was an accident.
that and helicopters are just generally very accident prone.
…when flying in poor visibility.
Right. They’re extremely safe if the pilots know their limits and don’t fly in conditions that they aren’t rated for or would be dangerous otherwise. Something like 85% of fatal crashes are pilot error. It’s not like helicopters regularly fall apart in the sky, they crash because the pilot made a poor choice somehow. This crash is almost identical to the ones Kobe Bryant and Stevie Ray Vaughan died in, among many others. Foggy conditions, low visibility, smashed into the side of a mountain because of the pilot’s poor judgement.
We really just shouldn't have helicopters anymore. They're probably the least reliable mode of travel (until the cyber truck got invented)
I just don't understand what would compel 9 adults to climb into a helicopter and fly into fog. Surely there was some alternative means of transportation?
There’s hundreds of things that absolutely need helicopters but to your point not one of them is transport important or rich people.
Yes id be foolish to hop on the conspiracy bandwagon right away.
Except Chuck Schumer said he knows immidiately it wasn't foul play
Source? Not to say that I trust a word out of his mouth anyways..
What did Amy say about it?
What does ja rule thiink though!?
All my New York homies refuse to take a stance until they know what Ja Rule’s thoughts are on the matter.
Im not seeing it as an operation, very tragic accident with bad weather but the fact that arrest warrants came out the very next day, at face value it kind of looks like israel lashing out
Somatogravic illusion aka spatial disorientation. It’s deadly once it sets in and happens when a pilot doesn’t have a reference for the horizon. That’s what my money is on.
Are there no protocols for such situations, I mean the pilots must be chosen for the best of their ability for flying the president
Iranian here. I think it was most likely an accident. Iran is pretty stable, this man dying won't cause chaos. It would be of no benefit for the Zionist Entity to assassinate him.
But they might still claim that they did it
That would be an act of war. We saw the limp dick response the Zionist Entity produced after Iran retaliated against them, I don't see them doing that.
Also, they haven't taken responsibility for assassinations they have committed in Iran, like many nuclear scientists.
America did ......I think cant remember
The Zionist entity is vindictive and irrational.
But it’s entirely possible and likely this is also an accident.
You would think pilot at such senior level would make a safety call. Helicopters are such a dangerous piece of equipment.
Helicopters are dangerous as shit. You couldn’t pay me to ever fly in one
I'm waiting to see what the Iranians say about it. They should put out something today
Helicopters, low temps, ridiculously thick fog. Not even once.
Footage of the area during the rescue showed incredibly thick fog and extremely cold temperatures, and the helicopter they were flying on was purchased by the imperial government and probably never serviced properly since then. Add to that the inherent danger of flying helicopters in low temperatures, and more likely than not this was a genuine accident.
Genuine stupid accident*
The stupidity was implied.
After Iran "retaliated" they reminded the world that at least in that instance, they just had to show off to their people. Same when Trump killed Soleimani. Iran bombed an empty base after everyone got a warning.
So now, the question is that there is plausible deniability, how do they react? Some gold check Israeli account, posted a 🚁 on Twitter before the crash though.
Could you post said tweet please?
So is this proof then? How could that be coincidence? Considering you know, Israel
They retaliated in a smart manner and took out the airbase that launched the attack against their embassy. They also showed they could easily do more damage to Israel if they wanted.
The thing is western media is silent when something doesn’t go according to their narrative. So you’ll barely hear that Iran actually successfully hit targets in Israel. Just like you’ll barely hear Lebanon is successfully attacking northern Israel, creating a 10 km buffer zone within Israeli territory and hundreds of thousands Israelis had to flee their homes. And you’ll barely hear about the Houthis blockade of the Red Sea because the U.S. and UK failed to stop them.
Was it before the crash? I can't figure out the time zone situation. The tweet was sent at 8:58am, but I can't figure out if that's 8:58am Israel time or Eastern or what. The crash happened at 1:30pm Iranian time, which is 6am eastern
It should be showing your time zone. So that just means they tweeted it after it happened…
That doesn’t mean anything necessarily then
It says 5:38 when I look at the tweet; I'm in Pacific
Iran did retaliate, without quotation marks. They hit their targets and gathered immense intelligence on the Iron Dome and the response of each country. And they did that, whilst 06 countries (not including the illegal state) did everything they could to spy and intercept the operation. It was a retaliation and a message.
10 hours ago Chuck Shumer touting "no evidence of foul play ". Just like after the Russian cinema attack....with the warning about a cinema attack. America is 100% certain regarding all details immidiately following some tragic political events....it's projection of culpability. Every accusation is a confession
Another tyrant on the other side has fallen. We as muslims deny all extremist leaders who make a fool of us, blackmail us using religion.
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How is that bad hasbara ?
its under news flair
He got bibi'd
Despite the heinous propagandist portrayal in the West, Iran has been one of the most restrained and rational actors in the region. I'm expecting a reasonable response, let's just hope it really was an accident. Imagine netanyahu died in a helicopter accident and there was a modicum of suspicion towards Tehran. Iran would be nuked before the funeral proceedings
I doubt anyone in the world would truly give a shit if bibi died quite suddenly.
It's not really propaganda, Iran is a deeply oppressive state, same as Russia, just because they oppose Western imperialism that doesn't mean we should uncritically support their domestic actions
Who is talking about anything domestic? Obviously they're oppressive domestically. Just like Russia. But also Saudi Arabia who we all still trade with. Also qatar, where the last world cup was held. I'm obviously talking about their foreign policy regarding trump assassinating their main general and Israel airstriking their embassy. Both cases they showed great restraint. Which is something you can say about neither the US nor Israel
Honestly…important person refuses to listen when they are told conditions are bad and then die in helicopter-plane crash is something that has happened before…not that rare…I’m not saying Israeli service could not had have a hand on it…but I won’t really be inclined to think so unless something else comes up
First the Nuggets lose and now this shit?!
I'm gonna need you to calm down and take bong break, Planet Earth.
She did, ripped it all over Azerbaijan
Good riddance! We don't want evil bastards around. Next, Bibi?
"Get on the helicopter Bibi. We're going sightseeing." *Goes looking for mountains.*
It's kinda funny seeing people shout conspiracies and defend this dude in this sub.
Most of the Middle East sub straight up partying.
I don’t think anyone is defending him, just considering implications of Israel were involved considering they have been involved with assassinations of high profile Iranians before.
That said I don’t think there’s evidence as yet that Israel was involved and it could’ve been just an accident.
Tehran Times maintains that crash was "a tragic accident":
Article released 4 hours ago, Tehran time.
Well, sources do confirm it was an accident. Let's not hop on the conspiracy bandwagon.
To be honest if it was a conspiracy, and not a combination of mechanical failure and conditions, the conspiracy is just as likely to have been launched by an opposition faction within Iran. This guy was not well liked at all.
“Tragic” nahhh fuck everyone in the Iranian government.
He was shitty to his people. Especially the women. Good riddance
Hopefully his death was as painful as possible
Edit: He oversaw the deaths and executions of thousands of communists and leftists. Rest in Piss. Bibi and Gantz next. .
As an Iranian, navigating these conversations drives me up a f***ing wall. When you try to explain to people that you support Palestinians and also oppose the Iranian government…they enter cognitive dissonance.
Iranian Zionists are POS. The Arabs who love the Iranian government are also stupid as hell, but I get it…Iran is the only big player making moves against Israel, so they have love for them.
When I explain to a Republican that I’m not a Democrat or a Republican here in the U.S. their brain breaks. Sometimes they’ll just call me a liberal to cope, but I tell them I’m a leftist. That just starts the “oh so you ARE a Democrat!” and back to square one.
Propaganda out there is frying already cooked brains.
They don't say "oh, so you're a communist?"
Wierd expected that atleast ...
They think the democrats are communists.
Oh. Yeah sorry. That's true hahaha
Iranian Zionists are POS
The Iranian Diaspora is sadly largely just monarchists
Because the present government is worse than monarchy. Theocracy is worse than a monarchy and Iran deserves neither. They are amazing people who deserve a properly elected democracy free from religious zealots and oppressors. I was happy for Iranian action against Israel but then I remembered the present Iranian government are also oppressors just like the zionazis.
Who cares? Strasser was better than Hitler. Both should be shot. The monarchy sucked balls and the theocrats only gained power because the monarchy sucked so much and specifically clamped down on leftist protestors over the theocrats.
There is no love for a regime that kills so many.
I don't get why in this world we have to pick a side with big men who think they're way is better and more moral.
They've historically only done the opposite.
People downvoting you have no clue how bad this guy was or are authority appeasers.
Lol of course this sub is simping for murderous theocrats to own the libs zionists
Most people rejected his message.
They hated Jesus because he told them the truth.
How gullible do u have to be to not believe this was a hit
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Just a reminder for everyone to NOT dive into conspiracy theories over this and instead wait to learn more of the facts, please.
Furthermore, just because the Iranian regime opposes Israel and is pro-Palestinian does not make them ethical or fair. Let's apply some critical thinking and not fall into the "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" trap here.