BIOLOGIST Jose Rios Lopez cleverly addresses the NON-SCIENTIFIC "hypotheses & conclusions" issued by Steven Brown
NewsEveryone should watch the interview. Dr. Brown started off defending Ica Institute's research. He also present an interesting opinion on Lama skulls on the small bodies. For the bigger body, Maria, He said it's going to be really difficult to create. He also propose that maybe Maria may have been manipulated at the hand. The Winged one, he also proposed that it's a construct.
He does however note that He still all these are ancient and important finds. While some of it may not be real specimens. He noted that the ancient civilization created something that might represent what they have seen.
can't they just dna test the skulls to prove one way or the other?
I keep hearing that Llama proteins were found one one of the skulls, Can anyone say definitively without a doubt which skull this was? Did no one write down which skull they got Llama DNA from? anyone anyone Beuller
ORIGINAL SOURCE via Jose de la Cruz Rios Lopez - https://x.com/JosCRios/status/1808268943661891839
A question that I've yet to receive a clear answer for from anyone, please help me with this:
What is so special about seeing the bodies in person? What extra bit of data is obtained by doing this? How does it affect our ability to interpret CT scan data?
Even people with access to platypus corpse thought they were clever hoaxes for a while.
The information age has brought lots of global knowledge to lay people’s fingertips but there are still scientific and historical discoveries that will drastically shift our understanding of our place in the universe.
I think the answer to your question is simply that truly groundbreaking discoveries, if that is what is unfolding here, will be generally unfathomable to the majority of humans for long enough for scientific consensus to catch up.
It would shake systems of faith far more than simply landing a man on the moon. It would lend credence to centuries of human accounts of visitations, abductions, contact with another people. Even if they are no more than terrestrial ancestors, the discovery of ANY new biological intelligence and physiology as these buddies would be endlessly fascinating. Maybe they hid from us because we hunted all other homo species or indiscriminate animals to extinction, and subterranean seclusion seemed like a safe bet.
I think society could handle Extraterrestrials better than ultra terrestrials.
Okay so we're not the only ones in the universe, and we're not even the most advanced. That's a shocker for sure.
But the idea that we've never been the only ones on earth, we aren't the first civilization, and we aren't the most intelligent species on the planet? That would upend more religious ideation than any contact with extraterrestrials.
At least with extraterrestrials we can still feel special and important in regards to the earth. Beyond that, religions are opening to accept the concept of extra terrestrials, because God can operate beyond the earth, but how would these religions spin it if we found out we weren't alone HERE? Suddenly we are not the chosen vestiges of God. Suddenly we are not made in his image, because how could there be others that do not LOOK LIKE us but are so much more ADVANCED than us?
Well, maybe one day the Vatican will show us what was looted from Alexandria. It will be fascinating to see what secret intelligence the Church shares with entities like the Pentagon. I’m certain there is an overlapped venn diagram.
Before I went to Egypt a couple of years ago I downloaded a virtual reality tour of the great pyramid, which was okay but when I was able to walk up the stairs in the grand gallery towards the kings chamber the scale and incomprehensible reality of it was something I never could have understood virtually. I imagine seeing the mummies, especially the hybrids, must be similar, they look so fragile, so alien and familiar, if someone did fabricate them it' was the act of a god.
What is so special about seeing the bodies in person? What extra bit of data is obtained by doing this? How does it affect our ability to interpret CT scan data?
Having not seen them I can only speculate. I think it has to do with target fixation and technological separation. In much the same way that people online forget they're talking to actual people and so say and do things they wouldn't in person, it's possible that looking at CT images on a screen that are not real you lose that connection. Then it seems people become fixated on one specific detail. Oh the skull looks like a Llama skull, therefor fake.
At this point it's easy to ignore all of the other stuff because there is no actual body in front of you, just a multicolored cartoon on a screen. Things like almost every single bone matching perfectly with the bone that follows. There are no seams. They have organs, they have fingernails. The skin has all the distinct layers, there is musculature connected to the eye sockets. If those eye sockets were constructed, how is that possible?
Also, the importance of just how fragile they are is lost. You know they're fragile but just how fragile doesn't stick.
A small amount of water makes these things turn to mush. Look at this video and really think about it.
Then there's Josephina's left arm/hand. Look at the growth plates that have broken off from the phalanges
Modern hoax is debunked from this fact alone. So let's think about the ancient construction hypothesis. These hands have musculature and fingernails and I think they've been investigated by a hand surgeon. They're real hands by all accounts with real skin that covers them. How would ancient people be able to do this? How would we now? They might be coated in resin, but apparently there is skin underneath and there is no visible clues to how this could have been constructed.
You showed me an image from the Miles Paper where it appears Josephina's ulnius appears chopped off. Have a look at this:
The salamander has the ability for tissue regeneration, and I'm not talking about just regrowing it's tail, it can regrow full limbs including the bone as well as cells of it's heart, and cells of it's brain, and many times when they regrow there are mistakes. The older the subject is the less likely regeneration is perfect.
If dealing with an unknown species, particularly one that seem to be reptilian in nature we need to leave these kinds of possibilities on the table.
There is clearly something about seeing them in person that is different to seeing them on a screen.
You're obviously the paleontologist that is changing minds on this, and I feel any conclusion is premature without going down there.
It obviously doesn't, it's just an excuse.
Uh, because CT scan data only weeks a part of the story.
It's unsurprising that this guy incorrectly seems to think that "in situ" means "in person." The fact of the matter is, it's impossible for anyone to observe these things "in situ" and that's one of the biggest and most obvious red flags for the whole thing.
What's the archeological context for these? There is none. Why? Probably because the parts were scavenged from real Peruvian burial sites - locations the grave robbers will not reveal because it's the illegal source for the raw materials used in their grisly taxidermy.
I noticed the narrative got challenged recently with that philosophy professor backtracking from his credulity. It's funny to see that the new hypothesis is "maybe they're fake, but they're ancient fakes so that's almost even more interesting!"
It would be interesting if there was any evidence to support it. However most of the evidence supports modern assemblies:
1) The small quantity of bodies and the iterative nature of their construction indicates a small group gradually getting better at building them. But the wide range of dates from the carbon dating contradicts the idea that this small group was using fresh materials in ancient times. It's more logical to assume that this small group is using ancient materials in modern times, as that can explain their use of parts from a wide range of years.
2) At least some of them are provably modern fakes, such as the ones seized at that shipping facility that had modern glue. The counter-argument is that the government built those as some sort of false flag to discredit a scientific discovery for some reason. But there is no historical evidence for governments trying to quash archeology via false flags. And it makes no sense to risk such an elaborate plan, when they could just take the things and burn them. On the other hand, it's a well-known fact that unscrupulous people sell fake historical/archeological artifacts all the time, and in this instance in particular we know that these exact things are being sold on the black market, so there's an incentive to build them. Which conspiracy is more likely?
3) The people promoting these mummies have insisted that they can't find any evidence that the things are assembled, but they make an insultingly dumb excuse for why they won't share the DICOM files to allow more eyes on the issue. (If you weren't aware, the excuse is along the lines of "someone might modify the files and spread misinformation", and the reason that's dumb is because it's easier to spread misinformation with the files hidden than it is with the files open to public scrutiny).
Dozens and dozens of bodies were found. I highly recommend watching the English translated presentation provided to Mexico's Congress. Several doctor's / scientists who studied the bodies hands-on give their own personal theories. They may not be extraterrestrial, but perhaps evolved from dinosaurs and live underground. They appear to be playing with genetics.
Take a look at 2:58:00 in the presentation . This is a rock found nearby the bodies. Notice the tridactyl (3-fingered) hand is reaching over the human (5-fingered hand) appearing to reach for a double-helix DNA. If any of the bodies were 'faked' 1000 years ago (despite the scientists concluding these are real biological nonhuman beings - at least the ones presented to Mexico's Congress, and further study is needed to find out more), these people had knowledge of genetics. There's no doubt about it - something big is going on here
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