Thiiiis. Goodreads is where i go for published original fiction and to find books i may be interested in. NOT FANFIC!
What about original works on ao3? Is that okay?
yes, that is okay. ao3 is a writing archive, not just a fanfiction archive. the point of ao3 is to have no rules about writing so original works are fully allowed on the website. it's just likely you won't get very many hits on ao3 with original works, since no one really looks for original works on ao3
editing to word better: the TOS states you can and can't post original content. if it is considered "fannish" it is allowed. this is what the TOS FAQ says: there are a number of varieties of works produced by fans that do not fit comfortably into a narrow definition of fanfiction, fanart, vids, or other types of fanworks. Some of these do fall within our mission. In particular, original fiction that is part of an Open Doors project is allowed, as are types of original fiction and quasi-original fiction produced within a fandom context.
We presume that, by posting the work to the Archive, the creator is making a statement that they believe it's a fanwork. As such, unless the work doesn't meet some other criterion, it will be allowed to remain.
No actually.
It is expressly in AO3's TOS that they do not allow truly original works.
If you post your work on AO3, you are asserting to AO3 that you believe that work is a fanwork. And they believe you. They follow this policy to get ahead of gatekeeping, not to encourage original works that have no connection to fandom.
Works tagged as 'original work' are implied to be fandomless, while still perpetuating the tropes and themes prevalent in fandom and transformative work culture, thereby making them a kind of fanwork.
If your work isnt a part of fandom culture in some capacity, you dont really have a reason to be posting it on AO3. If you post it on AO3, it is immediately considered a fanwork according to the ToS.
I think also its supposed to be like essays on fan work. I think ive seen one that was exploring the use of the a/b/o trope in fandom to explore gender and gender expression.
thats one way to do fandomless fanwork yeah!
Yeah, I always thought writing fandom tropes with OCs was exactly the kind of thing they were thinking of.
So if you want to write a story with "there was only one bed" with some OCs, that totally belongs on Ao3. Or a/b/o. Or any other trope that really came from fandom first.
I dont want to criticise at all and i know reddit is hardly ideal for formatting so you may be totally aware of this, but i also thought id comment in case anyone else sees: ideally you should type this as a/b/o or another option, bc although i get its an acronym, those three letters as a word is a very serious slur against the Aboriginal peoples of Australia. Totally appreciate that most internationally dont know this but the general idea is we should try not to normalise this in any context including fanfic etc. I dont want to compare but its def n word equivalent (and i only add that bc i know people dont always get why its offensive bc its seemingly "just" an abbreviation, but due to the history and use of the term its a comparable level of "seriousness" as a slur if that makes sense). Obviously you can do whatever you like but just thought id give some info on how it comes across to many people. Really just trying to give info and not attack so i hope im coming across okay! But as omegaverse increasingly hits the mainstream im seeing it fly around a lot, and its not like its a different language or like aussies arent part of the fanfic community at large so i think some more awareness on this front could help.
Oh shit, had literally no idea. Im from the US and have only seen it in fandom content or as shorthand for the blood type groups (A, B, O, AB) Ill edit it. Thanks for letting me know. Might do better for awareness if you did a post on this subreddit letting people know, rather than a comment (though i appreciate the call out cuz oooof!). I havent checked your post history or anything so idk if you have, but im sure it would reach a wider audience. Ill try to let people know if i see it, and ill avoid using it in the future.
Thank you for responding so kindly! Thats a good point about the post, tbh i thought it was more widely known bc i always assumed that the reason its styled with / is to avoid the slur, but maybe i was wrong? I know a lot of ppl also all caps it, which at least makes it clear its an acronym, not a word (though it can also look a bit like a shouted word lol). I guess i thought people knew that it was that way for a reason even if not the specifics. Idk. Ive defs seen many others mention this, but most people use / or capitalise so it doesnt come up. I did a quick search and there is another post that asks what the correct way is, bc they knew they needed to avoid the slur but they didnt know what it actually was, and a bunch of ppl in the comments went off about ppl being oversensitive, words have different meanings in different contexts, this word in german sounds like the n word blah blah. But i think when it comes to other languages thats a different thing altogether. Like this is a slur in the english language, yknow, even if its not known in american english. Anyway idk maybe i should post but im just not sure im in the mood for debate haha. Also fyi the slur is phonetic so you dont have to worry about saying a/b/o, which was brought up in the other post so i realised that may also be a source of confusion. Randomly, i also saw this brought up bc some ppl starting using it as a shortening for abortion to avoid censorship on some sites.
Wow. Thanks for sharing, I didn't know this and I'm sure I'm not the only one!
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Like honestly that's my main point with this whole thing. It's not the place for them!!!!! Idc about the debate of reviews - I care that goodreads shouldn't have those reviews in the first place. It's fic!
Yeah, and correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't putting fanfic up for review on Goodreads risk getting the fanfic author in trouble with copyright?
I feel like people who do this are actively harming the fanfic community by doing this, same as the ones who try to make money off their fics.
I donât think thereâs any exact law about it, but it weakens the âfan fiction isnât taking away from the original published mediaâs audience/moneyâ if itâs reviewed in the same place/treated the same way as original work. It starts to blur lines that weâd rather keep distinct.
See and that is one reason why I hate it when people call fanfic 'books'. It's absolutely poisons the well.
If you want to review or recommend/curate fanfic do it on fanfic sites. It's not difficult to make your own webpage. I remember the Xena fanfic community had one specifcally for review (lunacy's fan fiction reviews edit: found it's fanlore site ( https://fanlore.org/wiki/Lunacy%27s_Fan_Fiction_Reviews ). And it was an honor to get a mention there... but different times I guess and a lot more decent people (or in Lunacy's case just one person that recc'ed what they read) .
Exactly. Do your review or whatever in a comment on the fic like everybody else. I get so confused when I see shit pop up on goodreads.
This!! Or, if you're using Ao3, you could literally just use the book mark notes!! We do not need fanfics on GoodReads of all places.
Because they donât read books. A lot of these kids only read fanfics.
I dislike GoodReads because I've had my written reviews that I make money from stolen by users, and had to file multiple DMCAs and everything, fortunately, they did pull down the reviews, but that could have been several hundred hits that didn't go to me, which means I didn't get money from it. I don't have a good opinion of them other than that they do comply with the DMCA really quick.
I think we gotta pool some money together to pay someone to make a goodreads like app specifically for fanfiction, we could call it âniceficsâ or something haha
Has anyone actually explained to these knuckleheads that reviewing fic like that can get people prosecuted for copyright, and threaten the entirety of fanfic culture in general. Because I feel like thatâs the only way to get through to them.
Theyâd just say we knew the risk, which is asinineÂ
In which case, you tell them that people simply posting their work on fanfic sits isnât in violation of copyright, and authors have no reason to expect that theyâll be in breach by doing so. Other people taking their work and reviewing it external to the site however puts the entire medium at risk â and since these people clearly enjoy fanfiction enough to leave lengthly reviews of it, thatâs presumably something theyâd be worried about. Enough DMCA takedowns = no more fanfic for anyone, ever.
I wish tiktok wasnât banned in my country so I can seek them out and say exactly this on every post
My understanding is that the tiktok generation lives under the impression that if fanfic as a whole somehow got killed (already a ridiculous proposition), we authors would just up and instantly make up some other means to slave ourselves to their algorithmic wishes.
They cannot possibly be that dumb. You literally canât have fanfiction withoutâŠpeople making fanfiction?!
Tiktokers: "that sounds like a challenge"
But yeah, really, they are that dumb. You can't ask them to model causality in their little brains, because that gets in the way of getting the CONTENT they want in their FEED for them to consume RIGHT NAO.
it's the internet, everybody is "eating a soup with a fork" stupid until proven otherwise on the internet
Because I feel like thatâs the only way to get through to them.
It won't.
Same with trying to explain that reposting Japanese doujinshi is ALSO illegal and can get them in trouble if the IP holder thinks the fanart is being reposted as if it's official art
Iâm assuming youâve tried it, then.
Yep. Not one single, solitary fuck given.
Well thatâs disheartening. Did you explain it in extremely clear and simplistic language to accommodate for the average Tiktokerâs massively reduced grey matter volume?
Tictoc people aren't stupid. They are worse; they want to "get popular" at the cost of risking the fanfiction communities.
Imagine writing fanfiction and someone posts it on Goodreads, and you get sued because of it. Fanfictions are supposed to be our safe heaven.
Even a single author getting sued would get hundreds more to just quit out of fear... because far too many authors are poor af, underage, or simply live in an environment where they can't AFFORD their work colleagues/family/friends to find out about the particularly disturbing stuff they wrote.
I would suggest you act as a fan, get them to reveal their ao3 account number, then ban them altogether from ao3....(Yes, we'll need to create that feature to get these nasty people off the site.)
Even Wattpad, where you can literally design the cover of your fanfic and pretend it's a book, doesn't have a review system. Because that's the universally agreed thing âfanfics aren't "books". The moment they claim themselves to be a book, they are in the danger of getting sued. Just because SOME people don't get that doesn't mean the vast majority other should be paying for it.
100% agree
I feel like it'll be simpler to explain this to a 5 year old than to a person that uses TikTok for any reason apart from job or business related ones
The brainrot is too strong unfortunatelyđ
nah theyd just say if we didnt want that to happen we shouldve just not posted it then
In which case, you tell them that people simply posting their work on fanfic sits isnât in violation of copyright, and authors have no reason to expect that theyâll be in breach by doing so. Other people taking their work and reviewing it external to the site however puts the entire medium at risk â and since these people clearly enjoy fanfiction enough to leave lengthly reviews of it, thatâs presumably something theyâd be worried about. Enough DMCA takedowns = no more fanfic for anyone, ever.
Tell that to the fic binder sellers, they have the audacity to make a profit from it đ€ź
Same applies.
I'm pretty sure that is what the video they were commenting on was doing based on the bit of the captions I could see.
i don't think they'd get that unless it actually happens. they'd say people are just being pissy and that's just a myth
Short-sighted ignorant folk will be short-sighted and ignorant, I guess. Hell mend âem, just donât ruin it for the rest of us dammit all.
But... Fanfic is not a published book?? It has no place on Goodreads which is specifically for books only!
I know I bring up food as a comparison all the time, but that's because it works. This is like going to a pot luck and then trying to add your neighbour to google reviews as a bakery so you can give her two stars and let everybody know that her brownies were a tad dry.
This is such a great way to put it. Not only it is useless to do this it's also in mean spirit and people need to stop doing it.
(Also food comparisons work great because everyone can understand them)
âBut you brought the food to the potluck, you should be open to people telling you how much it sucks!â
Perfect example. Thank you đ I couldn't agree more
Spot on analogy.
That said, now I'm hungry, lol.
For real now I want a brownie lol
Spot on, love it!
I would probably quit internet if I ever found mine on Goodreads.
I found a bunch of mine there in 2014-ish. I sent a report in and they were removed. At the time, Goodreads didnât want fic there either.
Will they not remove them now?
The wording suggests that yes, they won't now
Well fuck. I found one of mine on there and would like to wring someone's neck.
Mark it as incomplete, then report to Goodreads bc itâs not a finished work.
I would reach out to support and see if they will, always worth a try
At least try to get it off there?
I know that people have tried, but were denied :( which is insane I don't know what TOS of Goodreads says but considering that people have tried and well nothing happens it doesn't bode well
Iâve not tried since 2014, but Iâve seen a comment on a thread here (or on the fanfic sub) that implied another person tried and they refused. Thatâs all I know.
To find my fic on Goodreads, first I would have to go on Goodreads.
Pretty much yup.
Goodreads folks tend to be better than what is shown here.
I hope mine stay unpopular enough to never breach containment like this. I hear things like this are a bigger risk in massive fandoms.
Seriously. Mad respect for those that make it big, but I would probably die.
I just searched out of curiosity and one of mine from 2003 is up there (and nothing else.) Ugh, now I have to jump through a ton of hoops to get it taken down. Nobody even left a review, it's just the title, author, and summary. Who puts it up and doesn't rate it? Not that I want that, but weird AF.
Yep, itâd be time to retreat to a Discord and share selectively
I found mine on Goodreads. Under my AO3 name.
Someone decided to make an account and upload their review WITH MY FANDOM NAME. Like thanks for the four stars, but kudos and comments are RIGHT THERE. I ended up making the Goodreads account I already had similar to my AO3 name and left a review saying this was not approved and if anyone wanted to leave reviews to just...stay on AO3. Thankfully, there have not been any other issues or reviews added last I checked and I couldn't have it removed đ.
I would have a panic attack and never write again lmfao
Yup. Bury me there. Yikes đŹ
I mean I feel like the "reviewing" urge is 100% satisfiable with comments? Is that not what they're for anyway? Why go to a completely different platform where the author might not even see itđ
My bet is it's not about the writer at all, it's solely about the "reviewer" trying to build their own social media presence and pursue their own metrics on TikTok or whatever platform they're trying to gain a bigger audience on
Oh, totally. Tiktok culture is trash.
Can you gain TikTok followers from your Goodreads reviews? Have 10 actual human beings done that?
I always thought reviewing in the comment section was fine since it'll be confined to that webpage. Putting it on Goodreads exposes that work to an entirely different branch of people.
Well, I agree that it's generally etiquette to only comment the things you liked about the work, since they're doing it for love of art and for free. The general rule is, if you dont like it just dont read it.
I'm so baffled by people calling fanfic books and trying to treat them the same way. No. Absolutely not. Fanfic authors absolutely do not need the cruelty of pub lit for a hobby.
This new generation is crazy⊠I grew up on fanfic directly after the mass shutdowns in the 2000s and to this day I struggle to share what Iâm reading or writing with my actual friends for fear of mockery or someone trying to get my work taken down. How are these people out here THINKING LIKE THIS where is your sense of FANDOM CAMARADERIE đ
They don't have it or have a warped and entitled sense of it, that more often than not coincide with the emergence/rise of social media.
Since people think of fanfic writers as content creators, they should take in account ratios between specific stats and be okay with their works being reviewed next that of published authors because obviously it's the same thing /s
This is so tiring...
Samem the early 2000s ingrained in me that at any moment my faves could be taken away because the author disliked the fanfic. That the whole fandom would be prohibited from sharing fic/fanart/fanworks. They dont know how good it is now that ao3 exists.
There's no fandom camaraderie because theyre either "normal" people (i hate referring to anyone as normal or whatever, but it gets the point across here) that only started consuming fandom content during the pandemic, or entitled kids & young adults, or both! these are the folks who have always been used to ostracizing people irl, but the moment they couldnt be irl anymore, they became online bullies. they have no sense of true community unless it involves publicly picking on others. there's no sense of solidarity and protecting your fellow fandom goers, and it's fucking awful đ nothing is sacred anymore as long as they encroach on these spaces in such harmful ways
Agreed. I avoided entire fandoms because the original creators took such a harsh stance against fanfictionâAnne Rice's Vampire Chronicles, for example.
These people completely misunderstand or ignore that fanfiction exists in a tenuous legal space.
From what I've seen, the "new generation" tends to be people who found fanfics later in life aka in their 20s and didn't actively dump as much of the culture as possible into their brains like teenagers do when they find an interest as addictive as fanfiction.
as a gen z im still so shocked that people can't understand this.
it's like taking a yt video and reviewing it on letterboxd.
Just save yourself the trouble and leave TikTok. The people there are completely brain dead.
Yeah⊠I hate TikTok, itâs weird and dangerous and full of cringe/attention-seekers/predators⊠so just generally a toxic environment
Eh, it really depends on what side of it, just with all websites. Just gotta learn to block the people you don't like and not to interact with hate and you are good.
Exactly this. There are stupid people in every social media and website, the key is to follow what we like and ignore the rest. People on tiktok also use other websites, we are not secluded in only one social media.
Those are the same people who got zlib down
Reviews are fine but most sites literally have a comment section for that, why tf are people putting reviews on an entirely different site?
I don't use Goodreads so I'm confused, but let me try: Goodreads is for books, so reviewing a fanfic could possibly get the fic author in trouble if the original author/publisher sees it and decides to sue or worse, probably?
If that's the case then it should be explained as such bc these tiktok kids don't get anything about fanfic culture, hell they don't even know about fandom etiquette most of the time, they just want their free serotonin boost
I think so, but even if it doesnât endanger them it makes us look bad lol. Thereâs authors that hate fanfiction and I feel like this happening could make it worse
Ah yes like Anne Rice all her life... These kids really need a history lesson so badly
We need a fanfic historian to school these kids on the ways to treat fanfiction and traditional media, because weâre really going backwards đ
We already learned this stuff so they donât have to, but they wonât listen :/
If an author blames a fanfiction writer for the fact that tiktokers talk about fan content... honestly, I'd tell the author to return to elementary school.
Iâve had fics put on goodreads, Iâve had each one taken down by contacting Amazon.
I agree that they shouldnât be on goodreads, and Iâm going to say it, these children and I do not care how old they are, they are children need to learn how to respect other peopleâs wishes and boundaries.
If there is a âI do not consent toâ on the profile of the author or the fic itself, you need to respect that boundary. This is how fan fics will die off. People will get fed up and just stop posting them.
What happened to tumblr fic rec posts đ
"just because something is free doesnt mean it cant be criticized" oh, shut up. just shut up.
Gods, I hate these people.
*grandma brings dinner for a potluck*
*Gordon Ramsey voice: dry, flavorless, lacking panache*
If you didn't want CRITICISM you shouldn't have SHARED it, grandma!
I might have laughed a little too hard. And then I froze when I thought I sensed the spectre of my nana (of blessed memory) in the room with her wooden spoon coming for me.
This jello salad is elevated, but not transformed. 2/5.
I mean it is kinda true in the sense that you are allowed to have opinions about it and share them (however rude it might be).
The main problem here is that Goodreads is NOT the site for it. It's for books not fanfic.
Also, don't look a gift horse in the mouth FFS... People put a lot of energy and effort into writing these awesome fan fiction! Don't like it? Don't/Stop reading it and move on... -_-
Definitely. It puts the same expectations of a professionally published book on an amateur hobbyist's fan work. Not the same thing, not the platform for it.
Also depending on where you are reading you can leave a comment to "review" it.
I know we all hate shitty comments but good or bad that's what the comments section is there for, reviews. Ff.net literally calls them reviews đ
Editing so my words can't be twisted.
the entitlement of these tiktok kids is unreal. UN. REAL.
Review their videos the same way you would a movie. Criticize everything.
There are far too many people who don't understand unless you put them through the same thing.
miss when it was just us fucking weirdos, at least we all get it
THIS
There's a reason why "may your niche hyperfixation become mainstream" is one of the most powerful curses out there.
I'm genuinely concerned about the next generation. While there's a hint of humour and sarcasm in my statement, it's becoming a serious issue. There's a pervasive disrespect for the boundaries of fan culture. I'm not saying fan culture is perfect and beyond critique, but the new generation often tries to dismantle existing systems simply because they believe it's their right.
What's even more troubling is their sense of entitlement, which they mask as exercising autonomy and rights, while readily mocking the rights of others within fan culture. Their obsession with self-righteousness is exhausting. They lack respect for the concept of fiction and believe they can dictate how everyone else should think and speak based on their own beliefs.
It's frustrating because they're everywhere. They've become the very "Karens" they coined to describe entitled people, and it's disheartening how unbearable things have become. Their behaviour has already tilted the scales irreversiblyâjust look at the extreme censorship of words we see today!
What's even more troubling is their sense of entitlement, which they mask as exercising autonomy and rights, while readily mocking the rights of others within fan culture.
They don't even see it as fan culture. They see fic writers as automatons churning out content for them to consume. And if we stop writing over shit like this, then they'll throw a fit because they think it's their right to get all the fic they want with no expectations (such as polite behavior) in return.
Such is the mindset of people who grew up with social media; YouTube being a fine example.
I mean...christ on a bike, I live, shit, breathe, absolutely consume YouTube content and have since I was a child in the late 2000s. Do you know what the reason is? BECAUSE IT'S FUCKING FREE!!! The sheer amount of enjoyment I've got out of that one website is unmatched anywhere else on the Internet, and I'd say the only other contender would be something like AO3 or the other niche fic site I use for MLP.
Unfortunately people, normies (lol), consume all of this and just think, "cool, but I want more." and that mindset isn't one that's easily changed. Thankfully, being on both sides of the aisle (in both aspects, YT as a creator of 10yrs and watcher of 15+ AND a writer/reader of 5yrs) allows for a more balanced, appreciative mindset.
It's why I'll take the time to read a fic, send the author a ton of love in the comments, document when I started reading, finished reading, what kind of impact it had, and usually if a fic is golden it'll go into the ReRead Pile.
And again this is where the mindset comes in, at minimum I feel I should be doing that, because fan authors aren't getting paid to publish these works, they're doing it out of appreciation...and that's appreciated even more. It's fair to say if it wasn't for fanfics I'd have dropped out of the MLP fandom years ago, but I still have ongoing fics that need to be written and read. Same with the Miraculous fandom.
In short; people who are unappreciative fucking suck.
Who are these absolute idiots...watching fandom culture and any modicum of respect for fandom creators go down the drain is absolutely disheartening
I am so torn on how I'd feel if someone added me to Goodreads. I definitely do NOT want to be reviewed on tiktok. A part of would be flattered if someone went "oh hey, I read this fic by RedMayhem and enjoyed it", but tiktok is just... Too much.
I tend to view my fics as my little gifts/contributions to the fan communities that have brought me joy. A friend once really wanted me to turn one of mine in particular into a novel to sell, which was very flattering and nice, but I explained that I wouldn't want to pull it from AO3. I might change my mind in the future, but it was written to bring joy to other fans and I really receive a lot of joy from interacting with them in the comments section. I want it to stay a gift for them.
To me itâs a trade. I read and enjoy fan fiction so I offer my own in exchange to other fans
I totally get that. I don't read nearly as much as I write, but I consume a lot of fanart so it's kinda like... Putting what I can create into the fan community cause I'm consuming fan material in other areas, if that makes sense.
Ill admit I used to add fanfics I read to Goodreads/storygraph so I could count them towards my reading stats. But then I saw writers say they were uncomfortable with it so I immediately stopped and did what I could to remove any trace of the ones I did Because theyre doing it for free and I wasn't about to risk pissing them off so they stop publishing them đ€·đœââïž easy
This shit makes me want to lock down all my stuff to logged-in users.
No, I don't want my fics on goodreads.
If you have something nice to say about my story, LEAVE A COMMENT ON AO3. If you hate it to the point of needing to vent, do it with a friend where I'll never see it or know about it.
We do this shit for free. For fun. It's just. Not that hard to not be a dick about it.
arguing with folks on tiktok đ€Șđ€Șđ€Ș
I can see people wanting to add their favorite longfics to their âbookshelfâ but itâs a bad idea.Â
Its like ppl forget fics are like crafts. You wouldnt go to a craftfest and start publically criticizing the sweater someone knitted, dont do it with fics
They're so much like craft, it's the perfect analogy!
Here's what the Librarian manual says are valid book records:
Book-length fanfiction which is complete (no WIPs, please), and self-published. Note that we do remove fanfiction at the author's request
You'd have to contact Support because Librarians can't delete records with ratings or reviews.
One of my fics is on there. đ Any idea of how I can get it taken down?
Contact Amazon.
TikTok is the land of vapid sound bites from people with often way too much time and too little education.
I think the true solution here is to make a goodreads parody app for fanfiction.
I do not feel like that is a solution, lol, I donât think Fic readers are entitled to spaces for criticism. Thereâs no IMDB parody page for YouTube videos.
As long as all the negative ratings and reviews are private/shown only to people you're "friends" with on that site. I know plenty of published authors and even for them, despite the fact that it's their livelihood and they make money off of it, the review sites are brutal. They usually have to ask someone else (who is not close to the project and has thick skin) to read the reviews for them and just summarize the basics of them. And this is people who are paid (granted, often with peanuts) to create professional writing and are assisted by other professionals to bring those books to readers.
It's fair enough to want to keep track of your own opinions of fics so you don't accidentally re-read one you didn't like. It's also fair enough to discuss it with your friends. But the 16-year-old writing their first ever piece of creative writing trying to capture their big, effervescent feelings about a fictional husband doesn't need to hear your opinion unsolicited.
Reviews are fine, just do them in the correct place. Goodreads is for published books. Fanfiction is not a published book.
Oh my God. I love when people review my stuff, but if they post it on fucking Goodreads then I will lose all human desire to live. New fear unlocked.
Yeah if you want to review my fic, you can leave a comment on it. Otherwise, fuck all the way off. I don't want stuff on Goodreads. Luckily I've never found my stuff there and I've added requests to all my fics not to repost after that lore business but man this is getting out of hand. Can't believe requesting people's wishes about their work is now being debated
Oh gross, I just found one of mine posted to GR with a two star review. the girl has her full name and photo attached to her profile. What a moron.
Fuck you Allie F. I didn't post that fic for someone like you.
Edit ok I did find my one and only truly published book on there with 5 stars so that makes me happy đ
Love this energy
âDonât post on Goodreadsâ is a very common note on fics, have they never come across it?
I've only ever found one fic with that note lol It may be dependent on fandom?
"but I want to review the fan-" there's something called comments where you can left your opinion. Fanfic writes really enjoy them. Even markers work for the same purpose.
Edit: but instead of giving authors comments; something most authors crave, people prefer to do stuff like this and treat fic writers as content creators, killing all the sense of community of a fandom and removing the sense of being part of one.
Yeeeeah Iâve seen so many fics with disclaimers stating to NOT review their fics on GoodReads, itâs actually wild. Like, that is not the place. What the actual even.
Putting fanfic in tandem with actual published content creates an association with monetary value. That is not a good thing because thatâs when copyright law comes into play. Of course, we all know that fanfic doesnât break those laws because itâs not being sold. But when you put it in a position where its legality could be misconstruedâŠvery bad.
I wonder why Goodreads allows fanfic to be posted on there like that tbh
i fucking hate tiktok
I'm against the Goodreads portion not the reviews themselves and technically it could pose a legal issue/bring unwanted legal attention to the authors and the works themselves.
Like we tell readers, don't like don't read. Or in this case enable.
Don't want negativity in your comments on fics: on A03 you can moderate your comments before they post. Don't want comments from people who don't have an account: turn off guest comments. Don't want to risk comments at all: turn them all off.
You control the amount of negativity/criticism you can receive on any given platform you post on and people are allowed to have an opinion. As someone who was literally torn to shreds at their first fic (picture it, early 2000's Internet) this stuff will always happen. It is up to YOU the writer if you accept it or not/allow it in your life or not.
To make myself clear: I understand and also don't like these types of comments reviews but I take measures to protect my sanity. This goodreads thing is a bit ridiculous
These people doing that are why some authors absolutely hate fanfiction :/
As someone who hopes to trad publish one day idk why they do it makes no sense to me.
But yeah this entitlement and audacity is wearing thin on my nerves as a ff author.
Lord above this is how we lose the ability to write for major published works is that what these people want
A few of my fics have been put on goodreads without my knowledge or permission and it creeps me out. I do not like it!! I would really like them removed but the process seems really opaque.
I'd probably take my fics down if I found them on goodreads
People treating fanfic like actual books is fucking insane to me, no one gets paid to write fic and if they are, that's probably illegal
oh god no i would hate this.
Goodreads is for actual books, not fucking fanfic. đ keep fanfic "reviews" to your own blogs and tiktoks if you absolutely have to do them.
i also want to add that i think this goes hand in hand with my generations severe detatchment to the fact that real people exist online. it's visible in how frequent and freely people will post berating hate comments under an innocent girls video, how rampant body shaming and attacking looks in comment sections is. how teenage boys are openly bigoted and racist and homophobic online.
there's this terrible disconnect to the fact that REAL PEOPLE exist beyond these profiles online, that they aren't just speaking into a void but on SOCIAL MEDIA. i think the key difference is that the existence community online was so much more visible in the earlier days of the internet. you got to KNOW people better, there was this poignant understanding that "oh my godâ this is another person". however with this generation and the saturation of fandom, of social media platforms in general, there's just this detatchment. it's visible in all aspects of the internet. it's very scary
Suddenly Iâm glad Iâve only ever posted my shorter works. People donât generally review PWP. Most of my writing is in discord servers anyway, If stuff like this becomes more common then Iâll just leave more of them there instead of taking them out, polishing them up and posting them. I write for me and like five other weirdos not random fucking assholes on goodreads who donât understand that you need to treat fanfic like something you found under a rock at a tidal pool: not to be disturbed and easily killed if you remove the rock
second worst consequence of the COVID-19 pandemic
People have added my Wattpad books to Goodreads, which I donât really mind because theyâre all original stories. But Iâve also written a bunch of fanfics and I live in fear of someone adding them to Goodreads and muddying my author profile. Goodreads has an outsized impact on authorsâ careers so it sucks that we have such little control over what gets attached to our names there
Fanfiction is almost entirely an amateur activity. Critiquing it on Goodreads is like dissing a game of pick-up basketball because the players donât meet professional standards. Granted, a very few might, but thatâs not why theyâre playing and they were not looking for third party opinions of their skill.
Goodreads? Like⊠the book site? Look, Iâve read fanfics that blow most original, mainstream works out of the water. But they arenât books. I wish there was a site for people specifically to rate and review fanfics.
I want to go back to the days when fanfic was seen as an embarrassing closet hobby for weird women so we can have our nice community back.
You could just leave a review / comment on the site you read it on??? đ
how much you want to bet that they wrote the reviews on Goodreads but didn't bother commenting on the fic itself on the original platform lmao?? how would the author find out anyway?
I found out by googling the name of my fic. But if someone uses goodreads regularly they can find it quite easily as if it fits into their most liked genres then the algorithm will show it to them.
I'm a fic writer, too, but I would have never thought to look my fics up. đ But that's interesting! I didn't know Goodreads works like that.
My reviews are probably something like, "she hasn't updated in an actual year.... that bitch". đđ
edit: just looked one of my fics up and it's been reposted on webnovel so I have that going for me I guess. smh.
Just kudos and leave a comment like everyone else why do people have to be so extra đ
As much as I hate it I think we need to start putting our fanfics behind passwords
Iâve seen a number of authors over the years specifically state no Goodreads in their note.
If someone was reviewing my works, it would only take about 3 seconds for me to delete it.
If people want to review my fics they can damn well do it in my comments so I can actually see their thoughts. What's this bullshit about reviewing it on external sites? Thanks for the publicity but the copyright nightmare isn't worth it.
Can't doing this literally get the writer copyrighted?? They can literally say their thoughts in the comment section if they want to rate it so badly.
I agree that fics shouldn't be on Goodreads, but disagree that reviewing isn't a part of "fanfiction culture." It's more specifically hated on / by AO3 users, but not all websites have the same near-collective mindset about this that AO3 does. Nor should they, to be honest.
I mean, on fanfiction.net it's quite literally called leaving a review, not a comment.
Obviously this isn't to say that people are always wanting actual reviews on FFN, either. My point is actually more that this anti-critique sentiment is very new in the run of things, especially in the context of the history of fanfiction.
I mean, on fanfiction.net it's quite literally called leaving a review, not a comment.
Even in like more fandom-specific fanfic sites like fimfiction.net often there are entire groups that are based around reviews.
"It's like a gift. You don't review a gift" Exactly this.
Books are made purely for the enjoyment of other people, with an exchange of money for the entertainment. Fan-fiction is someoneâs private creation that they made based on what they enjoy and choose to share to other people for free.
If you donât like a gift, you exchange it for something else. You donât tell the person you hate it, you donât rate it, you donât complain in generalâitâs free on your behalf at the cost of someone elseâs time & resource. If you donât like something you paid for, feel free to complain and rate it because you were promised entertainment in exchange for money and youâre allowed to say something if youâre unsatisfied because it COST you.
They could easily make a tumblr and review the fics they enjoy on blog posts. Itâs like using their brains never occurred to them. đđ
review it ON THE WEBSITE YOU READ IT god thereâs a reason comments exist you guys :,)
goodreads is like the imdb or yelp of books. the reason anyone can or should review something on goodreads is because youâre buying a product, and looking at reviews of a book on goodreads is the equivalent of making sure said product is actually good. granted, whether or not goodreads reviews should be taken with a grain of salt is another discussion entirely, but if youâre not paying for a product, this isnât an equal exchange and going on a public site meant for product reviews to talk about it, even if youâre just gushing about the fic, is NOT okay.
i donât really know how to word this properly, but with authors and their readers, itâs an equal exchange. one person writes the book and others pay to read it. if the readers donât like it, the author can change things in their next book to appease their audience. itâs âšcapitalismâš. readers pay for an author to make a living. their money funds an authorâs lifestyle, so the author owes them a good product. itâs not the same with fanfic, where the âproductâ is completely free and given out of a love for the subject.
This has given me a new fear that one of my fics has made to to good reads without my knowledge
If one of my stories ever got a review id hop platforms, quit, anything but fuck no I am not getting a review. I get people are becoming more accepting but like just leave a comment bro
"it's how you find out whether or not you want to read it" actually that's what tags are for with fanfics, not reviews! Those people istg
DoâŠdo they know that they can review fanfics where theyâre hosted, on ff.net and Wattpad and Ao3? Do they know that? They literally sound like they somehow donât know that thereâs a review section on Ao3.
Someone said, âdonât put fanfics on Goodreads, itâs disrespectful to the majority of fanfic writersâ and the responses are, âoh, so youâre telling me we canât review or criticise or praise fanfics?????â No? No one said that? You canâŠyou can review them in the review section of the website theyâre on???
Fucking hate these tiktok ppl and their invasion of fandom. Trying to change the culture of it. If you want to figure out if you want to read a fic, skip to the comments. There is a comment section right on the fic for that reason!!
Or you know, find rec lists on Tumblr like the rest of us. Good reads is not for fanfiction.
HUH?!
That is so disgusting, this is why i deleted tik tok so many bad "fan" takes.
Tbh, I was thrown for such a loop when I saw a Dramione fanfic on romance.io, I was like,,,, is this allowed??? đ”âđ«đ”âđ«đ”âđ«
I would think thereâs some sort of legal thing probably preventing this idk?????
Did one of them literally TikTok style censor the word fanfic. WHAT is fsnfkc
I sincerely hope that they mistyped bc if theyâre censoring itâŠthat thought fills me with rage
If you want a specific fic to get more people reading it, then you have to do the legwork and do it by posting them in appropriate forums for other fans to enjoy. There are Facebook groups and Reddit threads for a reason. Fanfiction is an online community only. And if you have an opinion about a fic, then you comment on the fic itself, directly, to the author themselves. Putting Fanfiction up on Goodreads is only going to damage the integrity of Goodreads. Goodreads is for book reviews and to share your reading list. To review a fanfic is asinine. Just comment your thoughts on the Fanfiction itself and be done with it.
reviewing is not fanfic culture
FFN's owner and last two dedicated users screaming in the distance
if you really wanted to leave a review for a fanfic, couldn't you just use the comments?
I haven't posted a new work in a few years, I was going to but all this drama around the fanfic community has really put me off. It's a shame, I've been writing fic since I was 14 [Almost 40 now, oof]. I have an Avengers/Fallout fic that got in my head recently but I'm gonna just write it for me and my wife unless things calm down.
I would rather be beaten by my own spinal cord than be reviewed.
reviewing fanfics just sounds so fucking ungrateful to me lol
Anyone who reads fanfic for long enough will find a disgruntled author raging about their fic ending up on goodreads. It is not some secret etiquette, there are plenty who (rightfully) demand their work not be reposted or reviewed on sites such as this, and as many have already pointed out, it doesn't even make sense.
If I were browsing Goodreads looking for my next (published) pick, I'd be pissed if I realized something with a compelling summary is actually fanfic. It's disrespectful to the author, and it is reading tha tusually required prior knowledge to fully appreciate. Yes, I myself have gotten into fandoms from stumbling across a good fic when filtering by tags, but most people do not want to do "homework" before reading something.
And the debate doesn't even have to go that deep - is it so difficult to comply to the TOS of AO3 and Goodreads, as well as the wishes of the author?
I swear, it's like the new gen of readers is deliberately trying to destroy everything.
And if you absolutely must review a fic as you would a book, just bookmark it? You can tag it to hell and back and write notes. You can make them public (if you must have an audience for your judgement) or private (if you just like cataloguing what you read). It's a built in function that would upset nobody.
Goodreads is for books, not fanfics. I don't get why these people can't understand that.