right? the real battle is for the #3 spot
and we all know it should be arnaz battle /s
Quinton Patton erasure!
The AJ Jenkins erasure is wild
How you gonna diss my boy, Brandon Lloyd?
Brandon Lloyd had some fuckin amazing catches tbh
You guys forget Rashaun woods? 🤣🤣🤣
Everyone in here forgetting Kyle Williams who had the 2 most impactful kick/punt returns in our 2012 playoff run!
I fuckin hate Kyle Williams.
Thank you
Brandon Lloyd was actually legit he just played on hideous teams.
Over John Taylor?
John Taylor was the man, everyone forgets he caught the TD in The Drive.
Rice - owens - stokes was an amazing lineup back then
Let’s not forget J.J. Stokes meow
Wait a second. Are we talking prime Moss or just Niner Moss? If it’s prime Moss, I’m picking him in a heartbeat. TO was great but Moss was insane.
prime moss is forever a viking. same with boldin(cardinal). not sure why they’re on this list
I agree with this, Moss shouldn't even be considered a 9er WR even if he was on the roster for a year.
Shoot he was more of a Raider than a 9er as he was the number 1 option when he played there at least.
Prime TO was more dominant. Prime Moss had insane skill and speed, he would get you 2-3 big plays, sometimes those would be TDs, but prime TO was dangerous at every level of the field, and could take a WR screen pass to the house just shaking tacklers off him.
It's like debating Kevin Durant vs Shaq. If you're not taking Shaq, you're crazy.
No shot prime for prime you're taking TO. Moss was easily the most dominant WR not named Jerry Rice, as much as I love TO, but the guy was just an absolute freak of nature athletically. TO was athletic as well and mixed with incredible work ethic, but Rice > Moss > TO should be the objective list that anyone puts out. I feel like the grey area doesn't start until you look at 4th and beyond, where I personally place Megatron.
Numbers will tell you they’re very close
yeah until you look at dropped balls. There is no question that Moss > TO
Then WHY did he get shut down in the playoffs over and over and over if he was so dominant?
This doesn't seem like getting shut down to me? Plenty of very good playoff games there. https://i.imgur.com/SJ9hpO8.png
Lol I like how you conveniently cropped out the dates and picked a very short time period.
I also know how to crop.
In his last 10 playoff games, spanning January 14th, 2001 to his 2014 super bowl appearance, he averaged 0.3TDs and 40 yards per game.
And the funniest thing is his SF year was actually slightly higher than average for yards over that span.
For reference, Jerry Rice's last 100 yard playoff game was more recent than Rice's.
Ya caught me. I was trying to get you to roast TO so I can show you that's his statline, not Randy's.
Moss: https://i.imgur.com/3va8VO0.png
TO: https://i.imgur.com/q34Tjzm.png
Same number of receptions, Moss with 11 more targets, 220 more yards, and 5 more TDs. Both an equal number of 3 digit yard games, Moss' highest being 188 yards to TO's 177. Moss caught a TD in 7 of his 15 games, TO caught a TD in 4 of his 12, Moss also had more yards per target and reception. I believe there's a 2 fumble difference as well with TO having 2 and lost one while Moss never fumbled in the playoffs.
The QB argument isn't even a valid one either because these were their respective QBs
TO: Steve Young, Jeff Garcia, Donovan McNabb, Tony Romo
Moss: Randall Cunningham, Jeff George, Daunte Culpepper, Tom Brady, Colin Kaepernick
I was going to say, I don't know where you pulled those Moss stats from cause they are wrong.
The main difference is Moss had a few dominant games early on that really skew the stats, and then basically disappeared from the playoffs after 2021. Even a 50TD throwing Tom Brady and a 44TD throwing Dante Caulpepper had trouble finding Moss when it mattered.
Owens had a slower start to his career and never played with QBs putting up the same volume of yards/TDs. He was at his best in the biggest game of his life, and you absolutely cannot say the same for Moss. I also don't think anyone would look at that list of QBs and say Moss had the lesser group of QBs.
Anyway, to give you my honest opinion, my #2 WR is Fitzgerald. He was consistently great and gave you 100% on the field, along with great leadership off the field. And he was absolutely a beast in the playoffs. While I generally don't put too much stock in the "he had worse QBs" argument, I lived in AZ and watched too many awful Cardinals game... let's just say Fitz had the worst NFL QBs I've ever seen throwing to him.
Playoff numbers are 105 yards and 1.1TDs per game in 9 games, including a 127 yard 2 TD super bowl.
I understand the perspective, but it’s really kind of apples to oranges comparison tbh. If you want to throw deep balls, then Moss is the guy. But TO could do a lot that Moss couldn’t do. TO could beat you all the ways Moss could, and also body and/or stiff arm defenders into the ground in a way that Moss couldn’t.
I think I’d go with the more physical WR, personally. But that’s personal preference
Moss had elite football IQ. He wasn't just a physical specimen. He invented "late hands"
Moss also just had better hands in general.
Their stats are close, but Moss has more receptions, TDs, and yards when you look at their best years.
Did you watch both? Stats don't tell the story
I watched both and am a 9ers fan. in this case stats tell the whole story.
Aren't their yards/game pretty close?
Glad this is top comment. So obvious
Yup. No doubt.
Yup
If it's based on his peak with the Niners, absolutely. If it's career peak I'll take Moss.
But see the part that you’re not thinking about is maybe with moss we beat the cowboys by 903 points and with TO we only beat them by 896. But with TO we beat them by 896 and he goes and takes a giant dump on their logo at centerfield. True niner fans know which to pick out of these options.
100% TOs stats tell the story. And it's not a question for those of us who got to watch him grow into the player he became.
My first thought, hard to argue with
Gotta be TO for sure
Crabs on this list?? Woof…
CRANBERRY SAUCE!!
Crabtree was a much better 49er than Randy Moss was.
Moss was only with us for the one year, right? Crabtree…welp…sure, he was with us many years
Crabtree had a 85/1105/9 year for us, in the same year Moss had 28/434/3. Yes, there was a lot of bad feelings about the end of the Super Bowl. But Moss dogged it in the same game, alligator armed a deep pass and then decided tackling was for suckers after it was picked off.
Oh no doubt, my pick here is TO no doubt for the record
Very much overhated. He was a good receiver for us.
Owens, Owens, Owens!!!
OWENS MADE THE CATCH!
Dwight Clark made THE Catch. TO was The Catch II and I've heard some refer to the Vernon Davis catch in the 2011 as The Catch III
He’s talking about the television call from GB-SF 1999
yup after like 5 dropped balls earlier in the game, he better have made that damn catch.
John Taylor.
I.think as the years have gone by, people forget just how good he was between 89-91. He broke his leg , week 3 1992 and wasn't quite the same player.
But he was just as good, if not more, talented than the 49ers have had at WR; Rice being the exception..
2 90+ yard TDs on MNF against the Rams. That dude was JR's Pippen.
Was that Jerry on BOTH of those TD’s blocking way downfield? It was him on the 2nd, but I couldn’t see the number on the jersey during the first one. AMAZING blocks 80 yards downfield. You just don’t see much of that anymore
Yup. The second td, he cut off the safety's angle early and ran with him stride for stride until it was too late. The most complete player I ever saw.
Randy Moss would never....
No, he would not.
Hence why Jerry is the goat and not Moss.
I remember it well. Dec 11th 1989, Charles Haley was ejected, 49ers were down 17... Twice.. 49ers had everything going against them that night but somehow won it. Got the #1 seed with that win.
Yeah the JT disrespect around here...
I don't think it's disrespect that most people are saying they'd obviously choose the guy with 81 TDs, 8572 yards, 3 AP1s and 4 PBs over 8 years, before they'd take the guy with 43 tds, 5600 yards, 1 AP2 and 2 PBs over 9 years.
Hmmm.
JT = 4 rings
TO = 0 rings.
This isn’t even a real question.
The answer is Terrell Owen’s and it’s not even close
I can’t believe Aiyuk is on a list with Owen’s right now. What a joke.
Fr. Owens could come out of retirement and take WR1
At least the shenanigans would be entertaining unlike BA's current tantrum
This isn’t even a good question, cause it’s not debatable.
Can’t believe he put ole alligator arms 49ers Moss in there.
the most disgusting part of the Brady roast was Moss begging for a ring after the disaster of a performance in that Superbowl.
Of course it is. TO is obviously problematic
If by problematic, you mean for opposing defenses, then yes it's problematic. TO was a straight up beast. His locker room "cancer" label is WAY too exaggerated.
On the 49ers, sure, but he was such a locker room cancer the Eagles decided to just bench him.
lol what? He ran Mooch out of town, he straight up didn’t practice his last season here, he encouraged our rookie WR Brandon Lloyd to do the same, he implied Jeff Garcia was gay (and that that was a bad thing), he criticized the team for lacking killer instinct in a preseason game (where most of the team was sick with the flu)…
As someone who remembers how TO ended his time here, it’s been fascinating watching his image get repaired among 49ers fans over time.
Are we talking about Randy Moss in his prime? If not, definitely Owens.
I was thinking the same thing, moss in his prime all day
Nope! The Moss he was when he played with the 9ers.
No question, Owens then!
Then WR2 isn't even a question either, it's just as obvious as WR1.
That Moss doesn't deserve to be on the list. He played one year after being retired, and only had 28 receptions.
This is why I don’t bring up Jerry rice when people talk about the greatest raiders WR of all time. Because he kinda is.
Yeah prime Moss was spectacular.
2) TO
3) JT
1 T.O. 2 John Taylor 3 Dwight Clark
John Taylor for me
The one in the HOF.
JJ stokes snub
This comment is what I was looking for!!
Not a snub at all. He was decent. But, never lived up to his draft status. Also, he didn’t have the best hands. I’d take all these guys over JJ.
He was better than 35 year old Randy Moss who came out of retirement and made 28 catches.
Lacked speed and hands. Plus went to ucla, lol 😂
Dwight Clark. Too easy
Crabtree doesn’t deserve to be in this group.
If not Owen's I'm taking John Taylor. A lot of people forget that John Taylor caught the touch down winning pass against the Bangles it wasn't Rice.
No one forgets that. Not even the Bengals. Who are you talking to?
The bangles were an 80’s band
No one forgets that
It was literally invoked in the movie Draft Day as a universally acknowledged bit of NFL lore, as the culmination of the John Candy moment.
J.J. Stokes always has my heart (Even if T.O is the correct answer)
I can't believe a single person likes JJ Stokes
Dwight Clark
John Taylor and it’s not close.
John Taylor
Its a toss up between Taylor and Owens for me. I'd probably lean Taylor just for the memories I have of him.
Taylor. Two SB rings?
Taylor has 3 👍
Prime? Moss. 49ers version? TO
Honestly I'll take Anquan
A total pro you can count on who's also tougher than everyone else
John Taylor was a number one on most teams in his day. Just so happened he was with the GOAT
He wasn't as good, but I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for Freddie Solomon.
EASY. Moss.
Owens
“OWENS OWNES OWNES OWENS”
My 2Cents
TO was elite, love the other guys but it's not really much of a hard choice for me
John Taylor was elite, too.
At their professional peak, Moss. At their 49ers peak, Owens.
Taylor
Rice and randy if we are talking about the best
I would simply choose the 1st and 3rd best receivers of all time. Technically the second best WR of all time is on the list, but he was far from that when he got to us.
I'm picking Aiyuk third though.
What is with the Lions and early retirement? Both Sanders and Calvin Johnson probably would be higher on GOAT lists if they hadn't retired early. My picks:
- Jerry
- Randy
- Calvin
If we're talking when they played with us then why even bother asking the question? It's easily TO.
Kyle Williams is the clear favorite
My heart says JT… but my brain wants Moss
About TO vs Moss: Rice at number one emphasizes the salience not just of athleticism but of overall mentality—dedication not only to being the best receiver but to the team and winning. TO was … not great … in some of these other respects, no? You’re building a dream team, rice is not available, who do you pick first considering the whole package? I think Moss before TO. It’s sad, but I think true.
That is to say, you are building a dream team aiming to win and win consistently over time… you trust TO?
“Definitely not Crabtree” -Sherman
TO Moss
TO and Randy Moss. It would have been great to see Calvin Johnson have a longer career but I am glad to see players hang it up before they're even more broken.
I had a poster of 4 players on it. Jerry Rice, Steve Young, Terrell Owens, Merton Hanks.
Brandon Lloyd over Crabs
I personally think moss beats out TO just slightly. But that's prime moss
RICE…T.O. …DEEBO
Owens
Based on the WRs I saw with an understanding of the game, Its Owens.
The 3rd is my personal favorite, DEEBO!
Which is perfect because hed be a savage in the slot.
Brandon Lloyd!!
If Shanahan is the coach I would take Deebo. Otherwise I would take TO
I send a vote for
Freddie Solomon.
Moss
Moss or Megatron
Rice
Owens
Taylor
They are the three WR I’m picking from my time of watching the niners.
I’m going Deebo as WR 4 just because he offers something different.
Freddie Solomon
Renaldo "Skeets" Nehemiah lol. No it has to be TO 2nd and John Taylor and Dwight Clark both had some all time 49er catches but I have to go with Clark but it’s close. Obviously Randy Moss but does he really count?
Is it 49ers Randy Moss or is it Prime Moss? Thats the only WR to consider over TO.
This is not a "who's number 2" question. It's who's number 3 and it's John Taylor.
Prime Moss ? Definitely. 49ers Moss not so much. If no prime moss, it's TO, he already showed he could be a beast opposite of Jerry.
No way aiyuk
TO and it’s not even close
TO stood on the star.
There is alot of talent in that list
Prime? Moss
As a Niner? TO
Aiyuk
It's TO all day.
I could maybe make an argument for Deebo just off that one season 2 years ago where he played absolutely out of his mind.
But nah man. TO still put up those kind of numbers his whole career.
Anyone saying anything but Randy Moss doesn’t know ball.
T O baby
Why is moss in there?
I don’t think having 2 #1 receivers on the same team would work, so I’m gonna pick John Taylor, the best 2nd receiver in the biz.
Prime Randy Moss all day.
TO by a fucking mile
For the 49ers? TO, no question.
Randy Moss is the 2nd best WR to ever suit up for the 49ers, but he didn't play for the 49ers during that time of his career.
Owens by a mile
If we had a better qb with the boldin on our roster it would’ve been insanity. He absolutely still had it going on
TO. Prime Moss makes it close…
I guess I just don't like Owens' antics to place him at number 2. I loved watching John Taylor play and maybe he is slightly underrated. Owens I would have number 3 though mainly for that big catch.
I saw TO as a rookie - wearing 15 as his pre-season Jersey. And you could tell even then that dude was gonna be good
TO but if Moss is prime Moss I'm 100% taking him
Owen’s 100% or Randy moss close second.
John Taylor, period. None of the TO drama, all of the talent and performance.
Player A) 8572 yards, 81 TDs, 7 fumbles, 3 AP1s, 4 PBs in 8 years
Player B) 5600 yards, 43 TDs, 16 fumbles, 1AP2, 2 PBs in 9 years.
Player B had the same talent and performance!
Now do how many times player A and player B had mental breakdowns, crying about their QB or doing sit-ups in their driveway while their agent yelled “no comment”.
Also, how many rings does player A have and player B have?
1 Rice 2 TO 3 Clark 4 Gene Washington 5 Taylor 6 Billy Wilson 7 Freddie Solomon 8 JJ Stokes 9 Deebo 10 Ayuik
To me Boldin and Moss were others teams WRs and Crabtree was just a major disappointment.
For those of you who don't know Gene Washington he was a huge part of getting to back to back conference championships in 70 and 71 and posted 1100 yards 12 TDs in 70 helping Brodie post a 93.8 passer rating for his only MVP and All Pro season... at 35 years old!!
Fun fact Brodie and Wilson also played together most of there careers but Brodie played 17 seasons.
Bro. JJ Stokes was a mediocre WR2 with a top-10 QB throwing to him. No fucking way he’s better than Deebo or Brandon. Honestly, Crabtree was better than him. Hell, end of career Anquan was better.
JJ Stokes wasn't one of our top 25 receivers.
If I'm being honest I'd vote moss over TO but it's close
Moss over TO when it comes being a Niners receiver??? 🤦🏻♂️
Wait, Randy Moss was a niner ? Where the hell was I during that time?!?
You’ve never watched the 2012 Super Bowl?
When Moss gave a half assed effort for a high pass they led to an INT..
I think you already know, it's TO. You did post his card first in the order.
Terrel Owens
TO
TO!
It’s gotta be TO although a prime Moss would be close.
TO
TO. Second to one.
TO was god tier, it’s not up for debate
TO, no question.