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Estonian PM: NATO training soldiers in Ukraine won't escalate war
Trustworthy NewsJust be prepared to have a redundancy plan if Russia strikes the training grounds / NATO forces because they will test it. Which Estonia may be ready for but I am sure Scholz will argue that this is another escalation etc.
Scholz isn't prepared to drink a sip of coffee. Difficult to use him as a measure.
I mean Russia wants to hit training grounds already.
The presence of Estonian trainers doesn’t really change that.
Reminiscent of the Yaroviv base attack near Lviv very early in the war where the international legion was based. They very specifically target foreign nationals.
Fuck Scholz with his awkward baggy suits and his timid shoes-on-the-wrong-feet walk. Hopefully he’ll resign and let a real chancellor take his place if things get hot enough. He’s a weak little bitch.
I mean if they are not in the frontlines how would that be more of an escalation than providing ATACMs for example?
An example would be the Netherlands "only providing police training" in Afganistan.
In order to make sure they could provide this training safely we had to sent a fuck load of people to do allot of less safe stuff in the area to keep it safe.
So think air surf and defence, check points all manned by people who are not Uktainians keeping them safe and solving part of the man power and equiments issues.
Equipment ussed to keep our soldiers safe is not aid for Ukraine, its required to keep our soldiers safe.
Exactly you can put NATO soldiers as engineers, instructors, and doing checkpoints far from the front, and that helps train new recruits for Ukraine and liberate some for more important tasks.
How can this situation escalate further?
By russia continuing their genocidal invasion, putin escalates everday.
Defensive measures should never be considered escalation.
I think training hands on in theatre will be much more advantageous to Ukrainian soldiers than a simulation/drill four weeks prior in an outside country. It would probably also be advantageous for NATO forces to get on the ground experience and intelligence. Many nations sent forces to Iraq/Afghanistan to not only assist, but especially to acquire experience and knowledge.
Please correct me if I’m wrong. This is my civilian interpretation.
The real value will be in integrating ukrainian and nato training. Both for the soldiers being trained and the nato trainers being sent over. NATO is really good at training combined warfare, which ukraine is trying to adopt but is facing a number of issues. Ukraine is excellent at drone warfare, which the west has very limited experience with. So you integrate the two sides, and you get a result better than each individual part
I mean, also civilian, but I see several positive effects as well. Not the least of which is logistics.
Much easier to send a trainer to a class of 30 recruits than 30 recruits to a trainer…
Kaja Kallas is a great leader and she has Russia’s number. Estonia knows very well how to deal with a neighbor from hell.
Her parents suffered directly at the hands of Stalin so she definitely understands the threat much better than others.
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What would bee advantages of training in Ukraine? Being in weapon range and a legitimate military target does not sound that appealing to me.
It saves the time / faff of moving the trainees all over the place. And it means the training will take place in a more representative training environment. And it sticks 2 fingers up to the Russians.
Is that worth the risks? Well the fact that people are so keen on doing this suggests yes. But it's not really for me to speculate.
It also means that the trainers are going to be able to get a much more realistic idea of what they're training for. They can actually (probably unofficially) visit the battlefields.
Spoiler: they will. Not that Ukraine will complain.
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