Welcome to the mind games! (I bet a steam key no one will guess what inspired this trolley problem)
The other person times their lever pull at the exact same time resulting in no track change and you get run over
Nope, because they’d have to pull their lever first in order for them to not get run over.
What if you’re the top and therefore the one that requires a change to get run over?
You fell for the mind game, we were never gonna pull our lever. We just gave you a believable lie so you could think you were outsmarting us.
The other guy pulls it, causing the front wheels to go to him then I pull mine while the back wheels are still behind the path separator, resulting in it derailing and crashing into the wall and either killing us both or neither.
Tell him that and then don’t do it to ensure survival
Is it that one machine learning video about altruism or whatever where the ai "people" Are blue/red blobs?
nah, prisoners dillema, but that video was kind of based on it
i thought that was the one where a guard isnt watching all the prisoners at once but picking random ones? maybe im tripping
You're thinking of a panopticon.
This prison, to hold me?
Wait and see if the front wheels come down my track, throw the switch and multi-track drift if they do.
That’s actually the best answer because then it would hit the wall and stop
Wait for the front wheels of the trolley to pass the track split point blades. If the trolley is coming towards you, yank the lever fast to multi track drift. Then yell "see you in hell asshole! Muhahahahahahahha!" If not, wait for the back wheels to pass the point blades before taunting the poor doomed sob.
You retain a 50/50 chance of survival this way. While the other guy's just fucked.
There's another possibility: the trolley goes towards the other person, and then... the back wheels come towards you.
Listen for the other person either pulling or not pulling their lever and then make your decision at the last possible moment
Ah yes the good old fashioned prisoners dilemma
This is not the prisoner's dilemma. The prisoner's dilemma arises when the situation promotes ultimately destructive behavior because it provides better incentives regardless of what your opponent chooses. Here is just trying to guess what your opponent will do, and adjusting your strategy accordingly. There is no equilibrium. It is just a guessing game.
An entirely random one at that, because that mind game is an infinitely repeating loop of logic that changes your best odds every time you shift them. The initial assessment says that the best course is for A not to pull, and B to pull, them the reverse, then the reverse again. It's expecting that one won't pull thinking that "obviously the other guy is expecting me to, so I won't"
That's how machines work not humans. If this were the case there would be a perfect 1/3 split between rock paper scissors openings. This is not true. People tend to open rock and paper is least common. People tend to repeat winning moves. If people are losing they tend to throw rock out there. Psychology exists.
If the top guy is smart and bottom guy knows it, bottom guy pulls the lever. The normal amount of layered thinking for a smart person should invert twice there for that life threatening situation, because the baseline is bottom guy pulling, but since smart top guy would know pulling the lever is the basic starting ground and pulling his would negate it, it's a relatively easy conclusion to arrive at, and thus he can assume that bottom guy will try to throw him off by not pulling the lever. This means that in a standard play vs most people, not pulling the lever would beat him. It's a logical % curve of decision making to arrive at, and thus likely his best chance. Thus, bottom guy, being very smart, I would pull the lever expecting the top guy to try to outplay me. 😂
The person would assume that I assumed they thought I pulled it and think they’ve outsmarted me and they’d pull it unknowingly sending it to themselves as no one is stupid enough to pass on a chance to way from themselves
The Princess Bride? Since as I was trying to puzzle out what I'd do I felt like that little bald man trying to figure out the poison.
The trolley problem inspired this trolley problem. Now, either give me my Steam key or admit you're a no good yella belly scoundrel.
I don't get it, if we both pull the lever the who will be crushed? And who will be if no one pulls? If I'm the only one to pull, will it crush the other person?
If you both pull you die. If only you (or only the other one) pulls the other person will get run over
What happens if nobody pulls any levers?
you die
each lever switches the track once when pulled
So if you don't pull you have a 100% chance of dying? This isn't a dilemma
Wrong, the other person might pull the lever thinking you might pull the lever
If you both don't pull the lever, you die. If you don't pull the lever and the other person does, you die. Unless I misunderstood something, you will always die if you don't pull
Both levers change the trolleys path, do you not understand
You've misunderstood, if you don't pull your lever - but the person above does - you'd live and they'd die.
You're on the bottom track. The top track doesn't know your choice, so they may assume you'd pull instantly, and so they pull - but if you didn't, they just condemned themself
I finally got it. I thought the comments above were saying that both people would die if they both didn't pull the lever or if they both pulled. Why doesn't English have a plural "you" ??? Anyway thanks for explaining lol
Yall
Since the other person will assume worst intentions you are best of to not pull the lever.
The brick wall has enough integrity to stop the trolley, and you're not far enough apart to be unable to hear one another, so ironically the best bet in this situation is to somehow coordinate a multi-track drift.
I wouldn’t pull. Safest option for the other person is to pull, so safest option for me would be to not pull
Assuming my goal is to survive, I would not pull the level. The fear and paranoia of the other person will likely lead to them assuming I pulled the lever.
THE DARK KNIGHT MOVIE WITH THE BOATS
Not if they do. Yes if they don't. Push it back if they do.
long shot but is it based on the game show "the button"
Was the inspiration a game from the "Zero Escape" series? I'll just guess the first one, why not.
Getting closer. Its from a game a game but not from Zero Escape
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This is based off those tests where if one person presses a button, they get all of a thing, if two people press the same button, they either get nothing, or split the thing in half.
steam key for what
For a steam trolley
I pull the leaver cause the other guy created the puzzle to get justice for his sister/s. He’s actually safe, the trolley was fake to prove I’m selfish (Until Dawn?)
I'll pull the lever. The other guy can do the figuring out, and if I die through not pulling i'll die feeling very stupid.
The dark knight?
What does the other guys lever do? If pulling the lever switches the track to the other person, and if you both pull the lever the trolley goes to you, he has no reason to not pull the lever
Dont pull the lever. Id guess the other person would pull the lever because they speculate that you did and also subconsciously want to feel like they did something about their situation. This idea of doing something to help yourself feels very powerful even if its meaningless.
Probably not the answer, but it reminds me of the genie from the beginning of Baldur's Gate 2.
Not Baldur's Gate, but it is from a game at least
That's what I thought as well
I just want to say that I love how I’ve read like 4-5 answers that are just basically “multitrack drift” and I know it’s common on this subreddit, but seeing so many back to back cracked me up.
I tell the other person I'm not pulling my lever and then wait
"theyr"
To my defense I'm not native english speaking.
(Please just don't tell anyone I had english for 8 years in school and was too lazy to look this word up even though I knew it looked weird and wrong)
Hahaha okay you get one free pass then. Especially since being too lazy is the heart and soul of the "there" "their" and "they're" problem for native speakers too.
(And I got a good laugh out of it.)
So it’s prisoners dilemma but there is no trust, either I die or you die, I’ll take the risk and pull.
A rail switch operated by an electric motor takes 2-3 seconds to throw itself. With such a vantage point, it will take the other person a moment themselves to realize when the switch has begun to move. Furthermore, it's pretty quiet, so they won't be able to hear it happening over the approaching trolley, and have to rely on visual cues.
Therefore, I time to do it at the last moment, ensuring that they don't have enough time to switch it back as the train crosses the switch point. Best case, the train nails them, worst case, they manage to interrupt it and the train derails, still giving me improved odds of surviving.
I pull the lever at the exact right time for multi-track drifting. Either it will continue heading my towards the other person, and I survive, or it’ll multitrack drift and we’ll both live. It is in my best interest to pull it, no matter what.
Inspired by prisoners dilemma
Edit: I guess that’s not a game
Split or Steal?
dont escape? idk
anyway I'm pullin the lever
If you both pull you die. If only you (or only the other one) pulls the other person will get run over
This isn't hard... so long as we accept that this is only tied to YOUR frame of reference, this is in essence a schroedingers cat problem...
- Both pull = you dead
- they pull = you dead
- you pull = they dead
- no pull = you dead
The obvious only answer is you HAVE to pull it if you want to survive, morality be damned survival is the point of life.
If only they pull they die, not you
I'm going to guess Fallout just because. And I'd pull the lever because you always regret the choices you didn't make.
The prisoneer's dilemma?
Your hand is free. Untie yourself
It was from the Dark Knight and if knowing it all, I wouldn't, without knowing I would, that was the point of his plan in the movie
Watch the spot where it splits, and then decide.
The other prisoner (assuming im the first one, and he knows how the lever will work as well) will be inclined to pulled the lever as well as he will likely think Ill pull the lever into saving myself, therefore killing me
Due to this, I will opt in to NOT pull the lever, letting the other prisoner kill himself, as based on rational thinking, he willing think I will make an attempt to preserve my own well being.
Baldur's Gate 2
Good ole prisoners dilemma. I love it. I pull my lever, hoping the other guy won't pull theirs but not actually knowing. 50/50 either way.
…the dark knight?
SpongeBob episode
Prisoners dilemma SAW
That one fuggin Mr beast video?
I spend several years being run over by small a trolley every day. Eventually I build up an immunity to being run over by a larger trolley.
I ask the other person if they are Sicillian and let them decide our fate.
Batman Dark Knight? This is the ship scene between the civilians and prisoners and Joker's bombs
The other guy will definitely freak out and pull the lever. Screw that.
I tell the other guy that if he pulls the lever, I will time my lever to do a multi-track drift in which will either break the wall and kill us both or have the trolley crash and flip on the wall, saving us both.
All or nothing gambles!