I've recently become interested in the topic of Scottish independence. I'm aware of the past referendum and how the Scottish were essentially tricked or forced into voting to stay apart of the UK.
I've heard ramblings about the effect of Brexit and Covid but I guess my question here is just what is the current stance looking like if another referendum was to be held?
I disagree my dad was adamant to stay previously he's a boomer but he would vote yes in a heart beat now he's done with the English government
I'm as pro independence as I've ever been. Each day I discover yet another reason to support it. But at the core of it, it's because I believe in Scotland, and we should be managing our own affairs. If anyone else was battling for autonomy again, all the people opposed to Scottish independence, would be supportive (,Ukraine etc). But if Scotland want sovereignty, its only because we "hate English people ".
100% Its got absolutely nothing to do with English people. Which is what i think some are so annoyed about.
I don't think we were tricked, as such, the entire UK (and Scottish) media and establishment was desperate to stop it, campaigned very hard against it, made lots of vague promises and, in the end, enough people shat it and voted No.
I think there's little doubt that Yes would win next time round, but we're stuck in a situation where we need permission from the big boy parliament in London and they just won't allow it, so we're at a stalemate.
Not really sure what happens next, but I'm 100% pro independence, and that won't change.
We weren't really "tricked" into staying. I'm pro-indy but that's just nonsense.
Don’t know about being ‘tricked’ into staying in the UK, thats a new one on me, probably a new separatist angle. The SNP are dismantling Scotland piece by piece, everything they touch turns to shite, this ‘EU’ crap is just that, the EU wouldn't look twice at an independent Scotland, we have nothing to bring to their table. The SNP are pouring billions down the toilet with their incompetence and corruption and still people seem to manage to be blind to the facts, they have created a country full of bile, bitterness and hatred, do they believe that everyone will kiss and make up in the (unlikely) event of independence !!!! I for one (and 4 million others) will never accept their shite, and would reject “Scottish” citizenship, plans, and any other business meaning even more division in the country. View the replies and you’ll get what I mean.
Your honour, that’s conjecture without evidence. Also the population is 5.5m. Please try harder with facts and not the opinions of a comments from a tabloid reader.
Lol
I can only speak for myself, but I will always vote indy
Sooner the UK disbands the better. Freedom to Scotland, Wales, Cornwall, and even England. Westminster serves the South East, London, and itself - and does a shit job at that
No one was tricked plus any vote for Scottish Independence was a vote to leave the EU anyway with no plan to rejoin 🤦♂️
Thats just what the tory was saying.. 🤦♂️
That's bullshit, we were told voting for the union would keep us in the EU, Scotland voted overwhelmingly to stay in the EU, but as usual anything England votes for we have to go along with
You only voted overwhelmingly to stay in the EU because you knew England would vote to leave and you hoped it would trigger another Indy Ref.
Pretty much. Being told that ‘you won’t stay in Europe if leave’ then being forced out of Europe 2 years later. We need guy fawkes and a SRA pronto.
Why do you think anyone was tricked or forced?
The Brits will never allow us to leave. We’re far too resource rich. They have nothing left of the empire, they’ll cling onto Scotland for dear life
What are these resources 🤦♂️
We have more fresh water in Loch Ness than the entire country of England. England is one component part of GB or if you prefer the UK.
90% of Britains Oil & Gas, you muppet 🤦♂️
Jeezo do some research on it, you might be surprised with the amount we export
Is Scotland just a mossy rock?
Is Scotland just a mossy rock?
Close. As it always is.
Labour seems to think they're on a path to glory up here again but I think they're onto plums.
As long as the BBC and agenda press exist it's going to be a battle against deceit after deceit.
Any success Labour have in Scotland will be smaller than they routinely won prior to 2006. And will quickly disappear after a few years of Starmer in Westminster. He's already unpopular. A few years of disappointment, will be disastrous for the unionist movement. Despite the scandal with the SNP right now, support for the union has never been lower. 8% down on 2014 ref, based on polling averages.
Tbh as much as I want Scottish independence I’m voting Labour. It’s looking less likely to happen in our time and unfortunately the SNP have become to complacent, and public services have suffered. I think the UK needs a full reset, and having both the Tories and SNP out power might be the way to do that.
Still would like to go back to voting for a pro Indy party in 4 years tho.
The irony of complaining about the SNP, but going on to support Labour.
You can keep doing the same thing and expecting different results mate, I’m young enough to confidently know I can vote for pro Indy parties in an election cycle or two. The fact is the Tories and SNP have been in power too long. When a party has been in power too long they lose vision.
We’ve just had Humza who let’s face it, is Scottish Liz truss. Both the Scottish and UK govs are a mess at the moment. I’m not saying Labour will be better, but 4 years with them seems like it might the best way to reset. Doesn’t mean I’ll enjoy ticking the box.
There's no such thing as toi long, if your vote is going to a party that kept Scotland violent and poor, when it had control. Twenty years ago all the top 10 poorest areas in the UK were in Scotland. Now they're all in the North of England. Homicide is at a 50 year low, and the decline began in the 00s. Labour can't even promise not to allow even more privatisation in the NHS and schools Or yo sell Scottish water to private firms. Nor free tuition for all those wanting to go to college. They don't care about Scotland. They care about our votes to shore up their advantage in London. That's all. A lesson some Scots seem to need to relearn.
Not saying the SNP are perfect. Far from it. Not keen on the new duputy leader to say the least. And I'm a little further to the left of the party. I'll reevaluate my vote post independence. But priority number one is Scotland having a voice, which it won't with Labour any more than the Tories
I totally get it man, I do. And when I’m in the polling booth I may well find myself unable to tick labour, this is just my thoughts just now.
You make some very good points tho, and even if the party currently has its issues. Tbh you’ve made me think a lot, as much as I want to believe they wouldn’t be regressive I haven’t considered the effect on free uni etc that we already have.
Labour are already gonna win down south so why not have a left wing party up here that supports Scotland.
Arghhh you’ve gave me plenty to think about mate, thank you! It was nice to be hit with some good proper stats 🫡
A quick edit - I do think Kate is one of the best for the job right now despite disagreeing with her views on the LGBT stuff. But in terms of ability as an MP and minister I think utilising her is best. At least she’s clarified she wouldn’t seek to change any previous votes. But aye, you’ve gave me plenty to think about.
I think if Labour was still a progressive party, even a little, and not the clown currently running it, I'd br just as tempted as you. At least in the short term. But Labour's currently to the right of the SNP, who themselves aren't that left or progressive. Just appear so compared to most other parties.
I agree. Kate is a good orator. Just lousy on social issues
You mean in 2 years when the Holyrood elections happen.
It certainly won't happen with that attitude.
Our public services far outstrip that of across the border. Do you seriously think ours are worse with the ever decreasing budget we're given?
It’s not all about that. I have no denials that an ever decreasing budget is a contributory factor but acting like voting the same party over and over is the only solution is silly.
Our public services are sharply decreasing, and unfortunately the SNP has lost focus. I’m glad Yousaf is gone after the fiasco with the greens however it seems like since sturgeon left the party is lacking direction. Camper situation is disappointing too - just because Tory sleaze and corruption is far worse doesn’t mean we shouldn’t treat both situations fairly.
The SNP and Tories need time out of power to regain direction. Labour are the best way to achieve that. I’d vote alba if they weren’t pointless 😂
I understand what you're saying and agree with your on SNP having lost focus. I look at Wales for an example, of essentially a state with one party ("Welsh" Labour) and it's rotten and corrupt to the core as you can see with the latest news from there with Vaughan Gethin's leadership election. Parties need time in and out of government.
However, if you want the underlining issues, as an example the decreasing budget you mention above, to be fixed - and are in favour of Scottish indy as you mentioned previously - then voting Labour ("Scottish" or English) is honestly, imo, the wrong take from this. They will bring neither indy nor fixing underlining issues to the table.
As for direction, I would strongly argue that Labour (any variety "Welsh"/"Scottish"/English) definitely do not have direction either.
Vote for other Indy parties or even an independent independence candidate. It is obvious given the dirty tricks squad that WM is out to destroy us.
It won’t work. They hauled us out of the EU. YET N. I. were afforded special privileges.
If I may ask, in your opinion, do you think a new referendum is in any form close to occurring again? I'm aware there's been several Tory statements about it not happening (I'd assume due to fear)
Unlikely to officially happen any time soon, despite there being a mandate for it.
The only reason the 2014 vote got through in the first place was a compromise from David Cameron's tory party to get the Brexit vote over the counter
I don't think they expected the final vote to be as close as was it was - that certainly would have shook the establishment to its core.
It was also branded as a once-in-a-lifetime vote before the vote and increasingly more so since.
Now, unofficially, could they hold a vote like Catalunya? Sure. That's a whole different thing, though.
There was 20 years between the first failed devolution votes and successful devolution vote in 1998. I except the same time period for the indy vote.
There is no fear and no need for a referendum as it’s not a priority for the majority of Scot’s 🤦♂️
It is tho
Evidence that!
I doubt SKS when he becomes the next SubPrime Minister will grant it.
So imo I don't think we're close to a referendum.
main issue is the older generations who just don’t seem to care enough for our future to support it, independence grows in the younger generations and over time as more and more are able to vote the tables will turn