Sask Party mass exodus, October election and the next 4 years.

Politics

As we’ve seen, 20 or so Sask Party MLA’s are not running again. Some likely retiring, some seeing polling that shows them headed to a drubbing in an urban riding, some likely just sick of the job, or headed into the politician- lobbyist pipeline.

But it would be fair to say its an abnormally high number for an incumbent party with a very high probability of re-election.

With Randy Weekes frank exposure of the absolute thuggery from Moe’s close circle (Harrison, Harpauer, etc), one has to wonder if a lot of mla’s are running AWAY from the party itself. If that tight circle of Moe, Harrison, Eyre, Cockrill, Tell is going to pull a hard right straight into full blown authoritarianism (steeped on white christian nationalism) like we’re seeing Smith do in Alberta.

If you dont follow Alberta politics, you should. Sask and Alberta operate as petri dishes for each others policies, and Smith is way out of hand, threatening municipalities, mass privitization, breaking up health and parting it out to private interests, handing out partisan appointments to positions that are supposed to put checks on government.

Are we on the verge of something awful? A hard right turn to “Republican Lite” or even “Maga Lite”?

The stakes feel high.

in saskatchewanby JimmyKorr

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StanknBeans

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If there is one thing I can say with absolute certainty about Moe's Saskparty - it's that you never have to worry about something original coming. It's always something that a conservative government elsewhere (usually in Canada) has tried first.

dingodan22

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I used to work strategy in government. You are absolutely correct. There is no rush to anything - it's watching what Alberta does, wait a couple years and revise based on their lessons learned.

It's not a terrible strategy because you are more or less guaranteed a predetermined outcome, but there is very little original thought.

Sunshinehaiku

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That must have been a soul-crushing unit.

xmorecowbellx

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The Toyota approach to politics.

the_bryce_is_right

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The carbon tax bs is a Moe exclusive, not even Smith would go near that one.

StanknBeans

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Oh good call, I forgot about that one!

Handknitmittens

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Alberta doesn't have crown utilities. The Alberta government doesn't collect carbon tax on energy bills, so they can't block the payment. 100% Smith would if she had the option.

Camborgius

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Except the trans pronoun policy. At least in Canada. Moe finally did something first, yay /s

StanknBeans

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New Brunswick originated that idea in Canada, but it had been done in various US states already too.

Camborgius

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Oh wait I remember one. Sask was the first to unmask. Or maybe we were the first province to stop allowing the public to know covid stats. Or the time they stopped tracking stats for it

BG-DoG

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What’s even worse is the record of the SaskParty has for the province. Lowest job growth, lowest wages, lowest home equity growth, highest taxes, highest debt increase, highest crime, drug addiction, poverty, homelessness, highest std rates, and it goes on and on.

SaskParty is sending Saskatchewan back into a steaming pile of shit just like in the 80’s and yet the population here is so poorly educated that every 30 years the idea that a conservative government can ever actually benefit society is elected in.

assignmeanameplease

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“Sending it back into a steaming pile”, Reminds me of another famous right wing roar, “Make America……….”.

xmorecowbellx

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Where are you getting these numbers from? The only ones I can confirm hunting around are highest STD rates, and highest crime (depending on year).

4ce_YT

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I mean it doen't help that our biggest industries like mining and farming are falling behind due to legal restrictions put on by the federal government or environmental restrictions like droughts

TheThalweg

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What restrictions are you talking about and why are they bad?

4ce_YT

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Carbon tax is causing the mining industry to cut back on many areas to be able to afford the pollution they create. And the province is in a massive drought that is causing farmers to be running massive deficits and have very little output

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4ce_YT

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Well yes, but the government isn't doing anything significant to help with the problem. I am only saying you can't blame the province's bad economy on the Sask Party when its biggest industries are being negatively affected by things that are out of the provinces control

no_longer_on_fire

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Also look at the successful industry lobbying to reduce royalties. Absolutely missed a windfall for the province during first bit of sanctions on Russia. Cut off your legs to have fancy shoes.

TheThalweg

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So you are blaming an increase on the price of carbon emissions as the sole factor for everything going wrong in Sask… because Trudeau can’t do anything about the increase in droughts besides enact something that limits the factors that cause climate variability like.. a carbon tax.

Is the carbon tax in the room with you right now?

4ce_YT

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I not blaming anyone, I'm just saying that the blame isn't solely on the Sask Party like everyone is acting like it is. Also if you do some simple research, the carbon tax does nothing to help with pollution except help destroy the economy of the country

JimmyKorr

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the consumer carbon tax is estimated to be responsible for 9% of our emissions reduction target. Its not brilliant but its not nothing.

4ce_YT

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Yes it is causing people.to stop buying stuff because they can't afford it, but what is the government actually doing to help climate change? Where is the money from the tax going?

JimmyKorr

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10% is supposed to go to initiatives to help schools and hospitals modernize their heating/cooling/insulation, the other 90% is supposed to be returned to consumers. As far as im concerned, id take 100% and flip ot into items that directly reduce emissions such as renewables, nuclear, retrofitting, EV subsidies, but a tax that stiff at the consumer level would shock the economy.

4ce_YT

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If the money was actually used to fund alternative energies, then people would have less of an issue with the carbon tax. If 90% is going, then whats the point in taking all that they take if they're going to return it?

Continue thread...

TheThalweg

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Could you post your research links for me to review?

4ce_YT

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carbon-tax-rebates-climate-1.7159209#:\~:text=All%20the%20money%20that's%20directly,Indigenous%20communities%2C%20farmers%20and%20businesses.

Why take as much as they are if they are going to give 90% back, that seems so contradicting. The 10% they do use doesn't get invested into alternative energy research, so aside from causing Canada's top industries from being able to perform well, what else is the carbon tax doing?

TheThalweg

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I’ll be nice.

Under the federal model Coal power paid a lot in carbon levies, like a lot a lot. Wind power pays next to nothing in carbon levies. So not every good receives this “tax”, just the ones that emit a lot of carbon. It is a levy, not a tax because of this, but the branding originally went with tax.

A family one day could theoretically pay no carbon levy because they buy super duper hippy bullshit only, and still receive the rebate.

Taken to a balanced approach it encourages consumers to buy the lower carbon intensive option by bring price parity. The levy pushes the price of the carbon intense options up, and the rebate allows them to not feel the extra environmental cost bypassed by carbon intensive options.

In the Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes he describes the economy as being too big and nebulous to direct, but you could nudge it with taxes (eventually leading the mercantilism). This isn’t a tax it is a cost levied to make up for the damage to the environment neglected by, classically, most products. It pushes people to green options and facilitates them by allowing pricing parity. It works. China has one, you wanna be worse than China by scrapping it?

I tried to approach this with good faith because you didn’t appear to fully understand it. I would be willing to answer any other carbon tax question if you will ask it.

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4ce_YT

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I didn't say the Sask Party hasn't done wrong, I just said it's not all their fault that our largest industries are dying

BG-DoG

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Where and when has the federal government restricted Saskatchewans ability to increase industry?

assignmeanameplease

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The problem we face is we let industry come in and take, without compensation. They are our resources, we should be upping the royalties we get. If they want potash so bad, pay for it. But the Cons are so worried about angering their donors, they give it away.

4ce_YT

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Carbon tax is causing mines to have to cut back on spending

adventdawn1

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Spending, but not returns to shareholders or CEO compensation. Give your head a shake, man.

4ce_YT

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Yes, lets go run a company and not get paid for it, makes sense to me

adventdawn1

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There is getting paid, and then there is making shortsighted decisions to keep the line going up.

4ce_YT

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Have you actually looked at the mining companie's financials ever?

BG-DoG

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Ah yes that song and dance. Good one. A universal tax on pollutants is indirectly impacting the competitiveness of Saskatchewan because we pollute more so it’s the feds fault.

4ce_YT

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I'm only saying it's varying the industry to cut back on output, which in terms of supporting our economy, it puts in worse financial positions

cleopanda_

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It can impact it though. We live in a circular economy where everything reacts. If mining companies are having to cut back on production that cuts into employees, which means employees make less and spend less. Less spending in the economy reduces the multiplier effect thus hurting the economy via consumption and investment as 4ce_YT pointed out. If the government is doing all the investing, it has a crowding out effect and does hinder competitiveness between firms.

BG-DoG

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See I agree with this for how the system works. Yet, over 17 years and $20 billion increased debt on this economic theory with little to no return on investment is a clear indicator that continuing this approach is an obvious failure. This corporate welfare to prop up an expensive, emissions heavy, failing industry with public money approach by the SaskParty is not returning value, it’s time to invest in the future not the past.

JimmyKorr

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Drought as an “environmental restriction”. Thats a new one.

Theres no “legal restriction” on mining and farming. There’s a legal obligation to compensate the public for mining and farmings out-sized share of emissions.

4ce_YT

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Carbon tax is definitely a legal restriction on mining. And yes the drought that majority of the province is facing is an environmental restriction, it's causing farms to be running at massive losses year after year

wistfulwhistle

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The drought is linked to the pollution, yes or no? If droughts get worse, will farmers have a better time or worse?

It seems like the answers to the questions firm the premise of your position (and if the opposing views).

If the carbon tax won't work at all, then farmers have no reason to, essentially, invest in having decent crops in 10-20 years, and this will just lead to huge conglomerates owning all the farmland and charging whatever they need to charge to cover expenses, public good be damned.

If the carbon tax does with, then farmers do have a reason to invest in future crops now. However, the specter of monopolization looms anyways.

Obviously there's a happy medium, but it depends on the environmental conditions and our ability to predict them, which is quite good when talking about general trends like global temperature and changes to water supply (glacier reduction).

JimmyKorr

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thats a take

4ce_YT

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Am I wrong?

JimmyKorr

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Well, your use of “restriction” is not good. Restriction implies someone but a restriction in place. “Limitation” would be better when referring to drought conditions.

And mining and ag arent being restricted by taxation, unless that restriction is put in place by industry/producers. Noone is saying “you cant mine or farm”, whats being asked is that these industries pay a tax on their emissions. It restricts profit margins, but not production.

greenthumbs007

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Wait until you see the average growth and home equity numbers from the ndp era. Both parties suck. It’s shitty there is no clear centre party that’s based on common sense instead of 2 radically different idealists.

BG-DoG

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I can’t really disagree with a clear centre party that leaves the social policies to research and experts.

But the Lorn Calvert era (NDP) was really good for the residents of Saskatchewan. Profits, growth, jobs, incomes, home equity all boomed while taxes hit their lowest levels @ 5% pst plus an emergency fund to help balance budgets. So this while funding social services and growing industries.

UnpopularOpinionYQR

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Can you please stop referring to shit that happened 30 years ago? Times have changed and society has changed. This argument is never useful or helpful.

BG-DoG

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I cannot tell if you are being serious or making a sarcastic joke in reference to our premiers quotes, spam calls and marketing ads.

UnpopularOpinionYQR

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I’m serious. In Saskatchewan, “the NDP era” was 30 years ago. Different people, different policies, different society.

It’s 2024. I want to know the party platforms and what they are committing to, should they get elected.

I am tired of comparisons between 2024 and the 1990s. From anyone.

BG-DoG

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Well I guess it’s because I was here and I lived it. And this election coming up will have nothing to do with party commitments at all. This election will be decided by the best Facebook meme making fun of the federal prime minister and a reinforced belief that education isn’t necessary for the voting public.

UnpopularOpinionYQR

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It would be great if we could get people who don’t normally vote out to the polls this year. I guarantee that result would look much different with their participation.

I don’t know the solution, though, to get people out. :(

BG-DoG

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Yup, voter apathy is a real issue. True that.

greenthumbs007

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I’m replying to a guy who references something literally 30 years ago. And I’m not taking sides. They both suck.

xayoz306

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Of the current SP MLAs, 13 are not seeking reelection, som after just 1 term.

This is 29.5 percent of their total seats in the Legislature. The last time this high of a percentage announced they were not running was 1991. That year also saw fewer MLAs from the governing party step down. (12)

The NDP needs to do a better job of messaging about how out of touch the Sask Party is, but also needs to come up with something to show a connection to rural Saskatchewan.

Rural Sask is where the NDP were born. They no longer have that connection, and it is sorely missing.

They also need to stop being polite in their comments. Flat out state when someone has lied. When Dustin Duncan said he never toured any tourist spots in Paris in the chamber, but then admitted to doing it in the Rotunda, hammer him with it. Ask these people who work in oil & gas if they tolerate employees who lie on the job to avoid reprecussions, and ask them why they support a government that does allow that behaviour.

Come up with real-world analogs, and ask them if it's acceptable.

You only need to convince 20% of the current SP supporters to change the course of the vote.

JimmyKorr

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Yeah, fair. Its 21 total, including failed nominations, people tosssd from caucus etc.

The rural question is… tough. The sask party goes well out of their way to keep rural taxes (in my opinion) unnaturally low, and the tax code is basically written around agriculture and oil and gas.

We have deficits consistently, despite the party jacking up consumer level taxes repeatedly, under funding social programs, health, addictions etc ( while taking large chunks of funding from Ottawa for those same issues ).

In short, we dont have an expenditure problem, we have a revenue problem and the root of it lies in rural sask getting gladhanded on taxation and tax exemptions and then gladhanded again in crop insurance and bailouts.

Theres a swath of wealthy people in ag and energy that could afford a haircut, but those people donate a lot of money in exchange for preferential treatment.

Historical-Path-3345

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What does the provincial government have to do with municipal taxes?

JimmyKorr

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im not talking about municipal taxes, im talking about provincial taxes like the pst, as well as multitiered rates for energy, and low corporate rates.

nicehouseenjoyer

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The province hugely underinvests in urban areas compared to the rest of Canada. The only province in the country that doesn't help out with urban transit.

Sunshinehaiku

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A lot.

Municipal revenue sharing and grants are a big portion of the provincial budget.

Municipal taxes would have to be much higher without them.

Historical-Path-3345

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The Provincial Government has done nothing but cut Rural Municipal grants and imposed increased costs to the RM’s for the last 30 years.

Starcat75

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Truer words have never been spoken 😁

xayoz306

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It's interesting too, because many in the oil and ah industries are the first to put up big money for charity, often anonymously, but insist on not paying increases in taxes.

JimmyKorr

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And thats fair, but dont think that those donations dont come partially back as tax credits and free advertising. Look what happened in Regina when we tried to halt fossil fuel advertising.

xayoz306

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Oh I know. It's mostly for the tax break. It's just funny how they are the first to say people need to work to earn things, but then are the first to also drop off an envelope of cash in the mailbox of the person whose child died unexpectedly

nicehouseenjoyer

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Exactly, what is the NDP going to offer rural SK that the Sask Party doesn't? The whole economic and social program of the Sask Party is oriented towards spending as much money as possible in rural areas and catering to rural social beliefs. Small town, farmer, and oil/gas worker Saskatchewan does very well by this government.

JimmyKorr

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integrity?

nicehouseenjoyer

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This always comes up here: they need to ignore rural Saskatchewan, they will never be competitive there. The swing seats are wealthy Saskatoon/Regina suburbs and Moose Jaw/Prince Albert urban seats.

xayoz306

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Winning those alone won't make a difference. Headway in at least 5 rural ridings will be key.

nicehouseenjoyer

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Literally not true, the NDP path to victory is:

Regina 12 seats.

Saskatoon 14 seats.

Special northern ridings 2 seats

PA and MJ: 2 seats each

They can afford to lose exactly one of those seats and win the election. They are not competitive in any rural riding as you can see in 338's map:

https://338canada.com/saskatchewan/map.htm

xayoz306

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When it comes to SK, 338 is nowhere close to reliable. The sample data is way too small, and one of the polls used is Angus Reid, which is not a random sample pool.

MrCheeseburgerWalrus

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The 'left' in Canada, who is really just left of their conservative counterparts, doesn't know how to fight, that's the entire problem. Poor messaging. The clearest example I can give is federal; look how any people are running around claiming they don't get a carbon tax rebate. In this province we don't hear anything from the NDP. They don't have the funding, the talk show, the newspapers. It's very difficult to get opportunities to get the message out, and when they do, it's weak. I don't know the solution for them, but I hope they figure it out soon.

nicehouseenjoyer

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Oh, please shut up. We heard all this crap on this very same subreddit when Ryan Mieli got elected, how a real progressive socialist would rally the oppressed and wipe out the evil Sask Pary. Mieli bombed so hard he is completely out of politics now. This province is not 'V for Vendetta'.

MrCheeseburgerWalrus

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Your comment speaks a lot more about you than anyone else. Also, I don't recall ANYONE ever saying Mieli was going to take over. Not one poll in fact. The way you refer to him as bombing is obviously from the debate. What you're looking for is drama, not politics, not policy, and definitly not good outcomes for the citizens.

xmorecowbellx

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The NDP needs to do a better job of messaging about how out of touch the Sask Party is

Ask these people who work in oil & gas if they tolerate employees who lie on the job

Thinking that lying is the red line for anybody in oil and gas is what I’d call out of touch. By all accounts, you’re good to go if you’re not actively smoking meth during working hours.

Rural Sask is where the NDP were born. They no longer have that connection, and it is sorely missing.

Very true.

the_bryce_is_right

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Trouble is how The Leg is set up you can't just start shouting at someone or calling them names, you have to apologize and withdraw your statement.

xayoz306

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But, you aren't limited to speaking in the leg.

There is nothing wrong with targeted ad campaigns that point out when they have done something bad.

Quietbutgrumpy

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Moe and Smith show little respect for the ideas and opinions of others. Since this is a cornerstone of democracy we are in a bit of trouble.

UnpopularOpinionYQR

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Smith’s dismantling of Alberta Health Services is appalling. No one at AHS is supportive. Literally no one.

She’s presenting a solution looking for a problem so she can award out private contracts for health care services. Much like we have seen in Saskatchewan between diagnostic mammography and knee/hip surgeries. It’s gross and flies in the face of universal healthcare principles.

northernpike19116

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I’m going to be a bit of a devils advocate here so bear with me. The AHS was likely not functioning properly. Now, you can keep bashing your head against a wall and deal with the unions to see if functional changes can happen. This is her way at circumventing the union contracts. Healthcare requires an astronomical amount of money and this is her way to try and fix the inefficiency.

Now we know it’s not saving any money. It’s costing more. But it’s sending a message to the unions that they’ve had enough. Right or wrong. It’s happening.

UnpopularOpinionYQR

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No, the system was working just fine. It’s ALWAYS more efficient to run as a single organization otherwise you need a bunch of HR departments, IT departments, executives, facilities, etc.

omegatron20xx

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I've been following the situation in Alberta a bit, and I've said it before—it's crazy that some people see what's happening in Alberta (or the US) and not only being okay with it but actively say, "Yes, let's do that here!" This mindset is why people compare us to places like Alabama or other backwards areas. It's embarrassing to be from the prairies these days.

It's disheartening to see all the progress undone in the name of corporate greed, and downright infuriating when those in power have no understanding of the "common" person. Of course, there are all sorts of communities and people in this province. We need farmers just as much as we need teachers, and we need more educated, compassionate people working towards solving problems rather than just fighting to be "right" and unwavering in their commitment to ignorance.

Opposing sides can disagree, but a truly effective government should weigh things and come to a compromise that benefits the majority. Obviously, that seems like a far-fetched idea these days, as many people have no interest in making things better for everyone—just for themselves.

MrCheeseburgerWalrus

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Good ole Saskabama, we earned the name.

yoshi_yoshi23

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I don’t think it’s “lite” anymore.

NoIndication9382

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Sadly, I assume you are right. This mass exodus seems tailor made to be filled with hard-right, evangelical, ideology over practicality or rationality focused sycophants'.

AndOneintheHold

16d

Sask and Alberta operate as petri dishes for each others policies

I compare Alberta to Russia and Saskatchewan is Belarus

Audioctagon

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This is the most apt political analogy I’ve ever heard, comrade. Long live Saskatchestan.

the_bryce_is_right

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Carla Beck was on Evan Bray this morning, who has a woman filling in for him who is actually tolerable. CB sounded very well spoken and confident in the way she spoke and sent a strong message. This is going out to a ton of Sask Party voters. Give it a listen if you got a minute.

xmorecowbellx

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Still wish it was Sarauer, but Beck is moving in the right direction.

assignmeanameplease

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If he brought a gun into the Ledge, that should be investigated. Period. I have no issue with guns for hunting, etc, but if I were to bring a gun through the front doors of my work, trust me, it would make the news. As it would with anyone else.

If it’s bullshit, then Weakes should be held accountable for making false statements. But his it’s true, throw the book at Harrisson.

As for his mental, state, probably just pushing buttons, general insults.

JimmyKorr

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I suspect its true, and Harrison is a baby-republican masquarading as a canadian.

Financial-Poem3218

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Just like his boss

JimmyKorr

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you arent wrong. im sure he’s in cahoots with every shitheel republican governor from south dakota to arizona.

Over-Eye-5218

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Apparently the previous speaker of the house called into "boots and salutes" and said Moe did the same type of things to him".

JimmyKorr

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what is boots and salutes?

Over-Eye-5218

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Call in program on CKOM

JimmyKorr

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youre saying Mark Docherty called into a Battlefirds radio show and said that Scott Moe directs the speaker via text message?

Over-Eye-5218

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Greg Brkich hugs and bugs.

JimmyKorr

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He was deputy speaker. He called in and said what exactly?

Bruno6368

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One of the news articles stated the gun incident was discovered and reported by a now retired Security Guard at the ledge

JimmyKorr

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link that.

[deleted]

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https://338canada.com/saskatchewan/

99% chance of sask party victory. No one watches the leg and it's barely reported in the right wing media. The only people reading about this are reading the CBC and they were never voting SP in the first place.

the_bryce_is_right

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I mean Saskatchewan is rarely polled. So convenient that the pollster with a right wing bias polled the SP 8 points higher than Insightrix a couple months before that. It's going to come down to the wire is my prediction and will depend on a few seats in mid sized cities like North Battleford and Moose Jaw. The Cons in Manitoba held a considerable lead over the NDP in the polls right up until before the election when they were actually polled on a consistent basis.

JimmyKorr

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agreed. And even with a majority in rural sask, getting blown out of Regina and Saskatoon and chipping at other major centres will send a message.

[deleted]

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A message of what? We can do whatever we want and still be elected with a majority government?

Barabarabbit

16d

They already know that. It is why they are so comfortable acting like they do.

Sask Party understands that as long as they keep their base of knuckle dragging goons happy they can do whatever they want.

JimmyKorr

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A message that the party is not representative of the whole of the province, and only represents a certain demographic. I mean the inverse could be said too, if the dippers eek out a win on just urban ridings. None of it is good, and its symptomatic of a larger problem of polarization.

[deleted]

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No party is ever representative of the whole province by design.

[deleted]

16d

I don't think it will even be close. You obviously know fewer idiots than me.

Bergyfanclub

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It will be the closest it has been in 17 years, but still not remotely close enough to have these people worried at all.

MrCheeseburgerWalrus

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338 doesn't have a bias, they compile all of the available polls and weight out those results. They tend to be fairly reliable.. as far as polling goes.

JimmyKorr

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Angus Reid has a bias. They general poll accurately at election time, but because its a closed pool of members, its easy to game in the off season, especially when noone else polls here.

MrCheeseburgerWalrus

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Angus Reid doesn't just have a bias, they intentionally misuse information and ask leading questions in order to do propaghanda. Angus Reid IS the conservatives. Wasn't Jason Kenny in management at that outfit? I might be incorrect on that, but it was someone in a recent leadership position.

xmorecowbellx

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‘They poll well’ and ‘they have a bias’ are mutually exclusive claims.

The definition of a bias is something that skews the results to be less reflective of reality than they could be. If they poll accurately vs the results, by definition they have no or minimal bias.

the_bryce_is_right

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Ya and there's only been one poll done recently.

SellingMakesNoSense

16d

Insightrix has previously polled NDP higher than voting outcomes, Angus Reid has consistently been pretty accurate in Saskatchewan. Angus Reid might be biased as an agency but their numbers generally are pretty accurate.

That being said, it's been a while and a lot has happened since. The Angus Reid poll likely was accurate at the time but it's been too long to count on now.

xmorecowbellx

16d

Define the wire and how much money you putting up to that?

MajorLeagueRekt

16d

These polls are months old now. If we had more frequent polling in this province then we might be able to understand the trends a bit more.

xmorecowbellx

16d

Correct.

tooshpright

16d

Yes.

Totally.

Ok-Studio5695

16d

That's Saskatchewan. I love this province, just wish we had a better government.

saskmoose

16d

Wyant just gave up his position as Minister of Advanced Education. We already knew he wasn't running again, but this may be a strong indication that he's running for mayor in Saskatoon. He's mentally checked out of provincial politics already.

JimmyKorr

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His name used to mean something, he was considered a centrist. We’ll see how much he’s tarnished it.

glipglop8707

15d

As somone who has generally leaned to the side of fiscal conservatism, fuck Scott moe. Such a terrible premiere. Talks out of both sides of his mouth. Saskatchewan is rich in natural resources, yet they can't balance a budget. Absolute trash party, that has got too big for their britches and needs to be brought down a peg. Now I don't like that the ndp is just going to spiral us into a huge amount of debt, however some of things Carla beck has said would at least allow some reprice to the every person. Scott moe "we cannot cut our gas tax because we need it for the roads" how in the fuck does saskatchewan have some of the worst roads in Canada, while having one of the highest fuel consumption rates? Where does all the money go? How is it possible that oil has been steady for 2 years and the budget is still fucked? Fuck the Scott moe, and fuck his cronies in the sask party. I never thought in my life I would say it but bring on the ndp it's time for some change.

TemporaryShallot

16d

I have heard scuttlebutt that there are a LOT of SP supporters ready to jump ship because the SP has moved so far to the left. TO THE LEFT.

JimmyKorr

16d

more power to them, they can split the vote

northernpike19116

16d

Wall started that rhetoric

Bendyiron

16d

Leave it to Canadian redditors to showcase their insecurities and anxiety about the states poltics.

What exactly is looking to become more "republican"? All I've heard is hyperbole

Ice_Chimp1013

-3

16d

The sask party is finished, there are no solid alternatives however. Sask residents are more likely to tolerate right leaning authoritarianism over left leaning.

No good answers here, future looks bleak.

assignmeanameplease

16d

That’s why I have told my kids, after you get your education, LEAVE, and don’t look back. One wants to be in medicine, but not here. Go where they want you. This shithole gets what it deserves.

Handknitmittens

-11

16d

Randy Weekes also lost his nomination. His not running was not by his choice. Was yesterday's rant due to his principles or due to hurt feelings about being ousted?

JimmyKorr

16d

Listening to him, i keep circling back to him identifying Harrison as calling for “open carry”. To me that implies that even if Weekes was going to be burning bridgez, at least part of it is ideological, that even an mla from a rural riding thinks open carry is too far. Also the bit he said about thinking the emergency session to go queer hunting was not necessary.

Im not looking to lionize him, but there was more there than “Jeremy Harrison is a two-bit thug”.

assignmeanameplease

16d

I’m thinking the gun is to compensate for his, um, stature?

JimmyKorr

16d

Ammosexuals creep me out.

Historical-Path-3345

16d

I’m willing to bet that the vast majority of rural mlas and ratepayers are against open carry.

JimmyKorr

16d

good grief, i hope so.

Handknitmittens

-11

16d

He wasn't criticizing open carry... he was criticizing open carry in the Legislative Assembly and them cited mental health issues. I hate Harrison, but do think Weekes crossed a line disclosing something so personal.

I think his statement about Harrison was obviously a very personal attack and shouldn't be taken as Weekes' opinion on firearms policy. From what I have heard about Weekes and his politics, I am half expecting him to announce he is running for the SUP next.

JimmyKorr

16d

you may be right, maybe im reading it wrong.

Handknitmittens

16d

Either way, his speech is a sign of some very major disfunction in the party. I appreciate you thinking it has some thoughtful greater meaning. I am more leaning towards that the party is just really toxic and dysfunctional these days because it is being run by children. It seems like Moe's office is not just tolerating this kind of behavior, but participating in it.

Historical-Path-3345

-6

16d

It would better to support the SUP than the NDP. Split their vote and the NDP will win.

Handknitmittens

16d

The SUP are actually dangerous. They should not get a bigger platform. It sucks that our first past the post system means that parties like them get more attention than they should.

JayCruthz

15d

Probably less so “hurt feelings” and more so that there are no political consequences for him speaking out now (seeing as he’s not running and probably done with politics).

Handknitmittens

15d

He got pushed out in a really shitty way. He is entitled to hurt feelings.

Over-Eye-5218

16d

Moe did the same thing to the previous deputy speaker of the house Greg Brkich. He called into Bugs and hugs to defend Weakes, and said Moe tried to tarnish his credibility after he left.

Handknitmittens

15d

Greg Brkich? The guy who wore a MAGA all lives matter hat into the Legislature? Moe didn't have to do anything to tarnish his reputation. He did that completely on his own. The party and Moe were right in trying to distance themselves from him.

clamb4ke

16d

It is MLAs. An apostrophe should not be used to make a plural word

Account0077

16d

Well said my good man. Let's hope for a good outcome come October.

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