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I’m gonna laugh when he misses three shots in a row and half this sub wants to trade him 6 games into his career.
No shit.
It will happen within the preseason on top of that.
“Why dRaFt A sHoOtEr ThAt CaNt ShOoT?!
That was basically the Jabari hate when he first started (also his dribbling). Glad he's been improving.
I think nba fans overhype these guys every season and forget that these are rookies that need time to grow and that also some won't pan out. Regardless of who the Rockets draft, most likely they are coming off the bench and I won't be surprised if they aren't getting top minutes.
Oh I’m very aware, and I called those people * u/votepilotoffical * out every time.
Happened to Corey Krispert during his rookie season.
Kispert looking good these days. Looking forward to seeing him and Deni next season along with whoever we take at #2.
I don't mean this in a mean way but why are you here? Like why would a wizards fan care about the rockets?
Kings fan lurking here, your sub is cool and I have a few Amen RC cards so I’m now vested.
Interesting that the card game has broadened fandom. Thanks!
who do you want the wizards FO to pick? i keep seeing sheppard, zacc or clingan being mocked to y'all
Really is a weak draft. After Sarr, those 2-10 spots are a complete toss up. If Wiz are going for BPA I hope they take Risacher. But we have a couple good wings already. So then Topic at #2, young, raw but high ceiling and fills position of need. I personally hope we can find someone to trade down with. Take Castle or Mr. DC himself (Donovan Clingan) later in the lottery would be cool.
If Sheppard were 6’6” he might be a #1 pick
I always think this but then I realize if CP3 was 6’6”, he’d be MJ, FVV was 6’8”, he’d be Jason Tatum, and if Aaron Holiday was 6’4”, he’d be… Jrue Holiday but better 🤭
It happens to everyone.
6?
It would be 4 games easy before we see folks calling for a trade or him being a bust.
You misspelled 2
Let him torch the G league for a while and build confidence
? I hope this isn’t some sort of Jalen Green comparison, cus that would be totally different
Looking at his form, the issue isn't going to be whether he may miss 3 in a row. Because it would be very rare. The issue is going to be volume. He only attempted 4.4 3s in 27mpg in college. That volume isn't going to cut it in Houston if he's worthy of a #3 pick and truly be of help to this offense.
Volume depends on role and opportunity, not just minutes played. After his rookie year when we let FVV go, he will take over the shot opportunities that FVV had with us.
Volume depends on whether you can get a clean shot off against a lengthy athletic defender, cause NBA 3s unlike college are almost never fully open.
Maybe one factor but just one in a long list.
Volume has no bearing being able to get a shot off.
given he was at 50% in college on 4 attempts a game, I would bet a preposterous amount of money he is at least above average (~38-40%) in the NBA on higher volume even his rookie year
That’s the dumbest shit I’ve heard today.
Well if you don't understand that shooting volume and shooting efficiency are two different things, the only thing I can suggest is watch more basketball so you can grasp it.
You are right, I’m worried his arms might fall off if he takes 6 threes a game.
you know that had a lot more to do with Calipari being a dumbass and not starting him in games, right? he'll get a lot more chances to shoot 3's in Houston if we draft him
He still played 29 mpg what difference does it make if he started or not?
because if he started he would have played a lot more (trust me as a kentucky fan watching cal massively misuse him was one of the biggest headaches of this past season)
It makes no difference bc it’s a large enough sample size and you can even things out by comparing on a per-36 basis. Simply put, while Reed is elite at shot selection and very accurate, he wasn’t able to make as big of an impact as he could’ve if he had more size. Knecht took more shots, and more difficult shots too. He also was more of a 3-level scorer while Reed was primarily an outside shooter. He was also the 3rd option on a team that got bounced from the tournament in the first round by a 14 seed while Knecht was the 1st option on his final-four team and won SEC player of the year.
He would have been a main option if cal knew who to coach and it’s not totally reed’s fault Kentucky lost in the first round this year (also knecht didn’t even make the final four lol although point still taken)
*how
Sheppard played more minutes than DJ Wagner. It didn’t really matter that he wasn’t starting because he still got starter minutes off the bench.
i totally agree that he got a good amount; i'm just saying it should have been a good amount more if he started and thus he would have shot more 3's; therefore saying that he only shot 4.4 3s in college is a bit of an asinine take because of why that was the case
also to wagner's thing a lot of the reason why that was the case was cause wagner was injured throughout that season; i'm sure cal would have used him more than sheppard if he had the chance to
finally i think the reason reed shot so little 3's is that 1) we had a lot of shooters this year between reeves, mitchell, rob, bradshaw (sort of lol) and so he didn't get the amount of chances he probably should have honestly; in houston he'll get those opportunities to shoot the 3 and 2) cal, while he was better this year as spacing out the floor to allow the 3 to be shot, the last couple of years has been horrible with that (that was one of our biggest headaches is that he wouldn't coach modern basketball instead focusing so much on going to the basket when it was painfully clear we should use more perimeter shooting) i don't think udoka will make that mistake with reed
He played the 3rd most minutes on the team.
and could have been much more
That’s actually not too bad considering the league. He was 25th in minutes per game in the SEC and 22nd in 3PA per game.
Edit: He also did more with the ball than a lot of the 3-point specialists. His 4.5 assists per game were more than anyone above him in 3PA with the only guys close being Dillingham, Sears (a senior) and Hubbard (who shot 32% on his 3s) who were all near 4.0.
I have some reservations on Reed based on upside, but the shooting isn’t one of them.
LOL
I'm gonna cry when 3 years in he's putting up busted Jordan Clarkson numbers and half the sub still thinks the Steph comp is fair.
Sometimes I feel like the "fans" gloat at their predictions being right even if it comes at the expense of their own team's success.
Also, nobody thinks Reed is comparable to Steph.
I'm not sure if the expense is the correct phrase, I mean, if "you" called it, gloating doesn't make the on court situation any better or worse.
So you cited two posts. 1st one is a sarcastic post on an edited Lonzo Ball and the 2nd one is a heavily downvoted post of someone just comparing Steph's and Reed's freshman stats. These posts aren't making comps at all lmao.
I've already had numerous conversations in regards to the #3 pick in this sub and quite often the Steph name comes up in regards to talking about Reed.
Cause since Reed hit the 3 at a very good clip in college he is totally Steph and not possibly a Mike Dunleavy impact player.
Downvoted content counts, and my first point is also accurate.
Sorry it didn't fit what you said, my fault.
So you would you count those posts towards your point when they don't help it? The 1st one was a meme post which you took the bait on (not surprised). The 2nd one had no one agreeing with OP so it makes one guy lmao. To say that one guy makes half the sub is disingenuous.
It's was a joke off of someone mentioning Curry, but an analogy toward Green and the Kobe comps.
And again, your first two points were wrong.
Now you're just making stuff up. Where in the OP's post does he make an analogy towards the Green and Kobe comp? It's not even a mention of Curry. It's a predraft video comp from 7 years ago comparing Lonzo and Steph. Ayt dude. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
I was never making a point lol. All I did was plainly describe what the two posts were about because you read them completely wrong.
The talk about half the sub calling someone being bad after a number of games. Reminded me of people saying that about JG.
Fuck off btw, right or wrong you have no idea if I'm lying, but thats the straws you are grasping at I guess.
I was also responding to the gloating comment.
Let me save the time of the anti-Reed Sheppard folks:
1) But he's only 6'1". Never draft a short player that high
2) He will be hunted on defense during the playoffs
3) He had a bad game in the postseason
4) People kept blowing by him in that postseason game
5) He wasn't the best shooter at a shooting event at the combine
6) He's not the best player available
7) What will happen if he totally loses his ability to shoot?
8) He is too short to be a shooting guard
9) He is incapable of being a point guard
10) Look at his hair
I think I have everything covered
You forgot "he's white". People won't always say it, but they're definitely thinking it.
As if we don’t simp for Sengun?
Hell, Larry Bird said it.
When I heard "defense and shooting" and I saw he was white I was thinking "is he more like Alex Caruso or Franz Wagner?" and then I saw his height and now I can't think of a comp.
Edit: I just thought of one. John Stockton with worse passing but better shooting.
He's Mark Price reincarnated. It's kind of uncanny
Casual statements that generalize, like this, are entirely unnecessary and divisive. Who are the people that you're assuming think this?
#10 though
Honestly this is the biggest reason. Anyone walking around with that haircut doesn't care about living.
John Stockton-looking ass
I hear no counter arguments lol
Was this supposed to be a sick burn or something because a lot of the stuff on the list is valid and you provided no counter argument
I have countered every argument in over 10 threads. All except the hair. I can't argue that.
He's not going to be able to drive inside and do anything because of his size, strength, speed. He wasn't a primary ball handler and isn't a special playmaker so he's just going to be relegated to shooting 3s. Maybe he'll end up averaging 20 shooting at 40%, best case scenario. Then on defense every guard in the NBA will smoke him off the dribble no doubt. Again you can find those guys in free agency every year.
Topic has a special playmaking talent, still scores a lot, And is a 6' 6 PG who's still growing at barely 19 yrs old. It's our last year with FVV and I'm not 100% sure Amen is gonna be the playmaker true point guard type. Topic dominates playmaking on his team and looks like he'll have no problem growing into a starting playmaking PG. He only shoots 30% from 3 but his form is off, definitely will be corrected once he's in the league and he'll likely improve his shot at least a little bit. You can't leave him open even right now though. His defense is just as bad as reeds so it's a wash there.
What makes you think he can’t be a player similar to the one the Rockets are paying $40M for?
First of all, I wouldn't want to draft FVV with the 3rd pick. So if we're saying they're similar, then yeah definitely don't draft this guy.
Second of all, FVV has the ability to score inside and be a playmaker, he averaged a career high 8 assists with us last year. Reed is 6'2" and can't handle the ball well enough for an NBA PG, hasn't shown any special playmaking ability, and it'll be tough for him inside since he's so small.
The only way reed even reaches FVVs level is if his 3 pt shooting is really that superior. And FVV shoots 3s at like 38%. So yeah I think it's far more likely that reed will end up being as good or worse than FVV overall, so definitely not a 3rd overall pick.
If you guys like reed so much, we'll be able to pick him up in free agency after the team that drafts him inevitably won't want to extend him after his first contract is up lol
I would draft FVV at No. 3 over say Patrick Williams at No. 3.
And FVV has zero ability to score inside lol. He can knock down some open midrange jumpers, but so can Sheppard. And FVV developed into a playmaker. He averaged 5.5 at Witchta State.
Look, you don’t have to want Reed Sheppard, but he has every ability to be as impactful as Fred has been.
Holy fuck you don't want to draft a guy that's as impactful as FVV, what is this shit you're all smoking. Topic vs reed debate became reed = FVV. You can find a guy like FVV and reed in free agency almost every year.
Also FVV has a little more than 0 ability to score inside
Fred is super impactful lol. Just look at what he did for the Rockets this season. He’s consistently viewed as a top 30 player or so by a lot of metrics.
I understand that’s not super exciting comp as a top 3 pick, which is why I’m not 100% sold yet, but that’s just the reality of this draft. If Reed has a 40% chance to be FVV while one of the wings have a 5% chance to be star level, than I might want to take a more sure impactful starting role player over a straight up bust or a bottom of the rotation guy.
But no, you can’t just “find them in FA every year” which is why the Rockets paid $40M for him.
This dude thinks the rockets paid FVV 40 mil because of how good he is 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
"Fred is super impactful" oh Lord lol. Dude is like a 40% fg guy his entire career. Remember Fred went undrafted and your strategy for this argument is to say reed is like FVV. If you're right then we shouldn't get him at 3
Does every guard in the league smoke FVV? Because they are very similar players.
Idk how much slower reed is than FVV, but I do know reed was getting smoked by guards who won't even make the league. His lateral quickness is awful
FVV got smoked by guards that didn't make it in the NBA when he was in college as well. Literally every NBA player (even great defensive players) have gotten smoked by players that have not made it into the NBA. This argument that a player shouldn't be drafted because he got beat by someone as a freshman in college is nonsensical to me.
Why do you keep bringing up FVV as a standard dude. I'm saying reeds lateral quickness is not there at all, it means nothing that FVV is also not good at defense.
And it seems like you're taking "getting smoked by non NBA players" as like a one time thing, of course it can happen to anyone once, but reed wasn't playing good perimeter defense the whole season due to his low lateral quickness
But FVV IS good at defense and so is Reed Sheppard. I believe they are similar players but obviously we disagree on that. I'll leave it at that. Nice chat.
Yeah just don't forget how much you liked reed when this dude is doing nothing in the NBA, so maybe next time you won't make this mistake
What you mean? This was intended to be a sick burn haha gottem type post.
Like #1 and #2 are as good of a reason to have doubts about a prospect as any lol.
But hey didn't you know since Reed is a strong possibility to be the pick at #3 that he has all pros and no cons as a prospect? To the point he is so great that it's even a miracle he's not in the conversation for pick #1 in what everyone talks about as a weak class.
I agree. This draft is going to be interesting, I've never followed a draft where the top 10 is so open.
Like #1 and #2 are as good of a reason to have doubts about a prospect as any lol
Lmao yeah exactly
I mean most of these are valid concerns. I wouldn't mind trading down for him but I don't think the 3rd pick should be used on someone that's undersized and one dimensional.
But he's not one-dimensional. Steve Kerr was one-dimensional. Shep is no Steve Kerr.
Yea pass.
I mean #6 is totally fair. If he’s not the best player available IMO we should not draft him or try to trade down for him. Take BPA
There are about 10 players that could be the best player in this draft.
Just please do not draft Clingan
WE'RE. GETTING. SHOOTERS.
I’m happy with like 5 different people with the pick, but also reed sheppard would be a great addition and is exactly what we need to fill out our bench unit
I'm not sure this is really Woj saying we're actually gonna draft positionally more so than just saying you could make the case for it. Still no idea what Stone is thinking
Sheppard Squad we ride at midnight
Unless dude develops and turns into Steph Curry I’m not to confident in this pick but i hope I’m wrong
I’m good with Sheppard, Risacher and maybe Clingan. That’s about it.
We have 0 all nba players and 0 all stars maybe we just draft the best guy.
Let’s just say fuck it and draft Gohlke
The one reason I wasn’t over the moon about moving up in this draft is because it makes it hard to be happy with picking a role player, even though that’s pretty much what this draft is everywhere.
I would be very happy with Reed at No. 9, and I’m still very much considering him for No. 3, but it is just a tad disappointing to not really feel like the guy has a chance to be anything better than a fringe all-star.
Like, objectively getting a FVV replacement at No. 3 would be fantastic. But the irrational fan part of me wants another shot at a star wing.
Yes, please.
Reed is perfect for us right now. I hope we don't overthink this. I am very excited for him to be a Rocket.
Everyone is just fixating on the shooting. But shooting is just one part of basketball.
The biggest issue with Reed Sheppard is his height and length. 6'1.75 and only 6'3 wingspan he ain't doing much besides shooting open shots. We have the top 3 pick we should go with someone who has more upside. RS is looking like he will just be a younger FVV.
Don't get me wrong FVV is a good player. But we want to win a championship FVV ain't gonna get it done. Can you imagine Reed Sheppard in the playoffs vs SGA or Murray? He will just get cooked.
Really? Because FVV got it done in 2019 Finals. SGA cooks everyone while Murray cooks himself.
So what? Adam Morrison has 2 rings and FVV only has one. See how dumb that argument is? FVV was like 4rth option on that team behind Kawhi, Siakam and Lowry AND half of GSW was injured. FVV wasnt the reason they won a ring so why even mention that?
SGA cooks everyone but he will especially cook a 6'1.75 defender. Same thing with Murray. FVV right now doesn't even make the Rox a contender and the current him is better than rookie Reed Sheppard.
I mean, Fred played in that run and held up fine defensively. It’s not like we’ve never seen what he looks like in the playoffs even after that point.
They went up against an injured squad Klay Thompson wasn't even playing and Steph was playing hurt.
Does not refute what I said.
Doesn't matter though we already have FVV on the team.
And if they can have him for the foreseeable future at about $35M less a year, they’d gladly take it.
Every team that wins a chip has some injury luck. Celtics are looking to sweep the east this year primarily because of the horrible injuries plaguing the east. 5 years from now is anyone gonna say that jrue is a disappointment because he got lucky with injuries?
I don't see how that's relevant. The point is FVV wasnt the reason the Raptors won a chip and if the Kawhi Raptors were playing RN they wouldn't make it past Boston either.
We have plenty of upside already I think we are all ready for a shooter who is ready to contribute… Sheppard, knecht, etc.
To those who think he's gonna play good defense in the NBA, I have a bridge to sell you
I want him so badd, I swear to the basketball gods I will not OVERREACT when he misses a shot
Woj knows ball
Good post 👍🏼
High IQ, real gym rat.
dillingham will be a backup after FVV
Shepard will be a backup after both brook and FVV
I still think the starting 5 would be green brook FVV Jabari and Sengun
I doubt anyone in the draft will be better at these 5 aside of injury
TOPIC
Topic is the guy, reed is too small to do anything but shoot 3s, and he's not even a primary ball handler in college
Hard to win with a poor shooting lead guard
That doesn't mean you need to draft a guy that will only shoot 3s with the 3rd pick. We can get that in free agency any year
JUST REMEMBER THE NAME, NIKOLA DJURISIC...
Hard 2 see Houston Draft à 6ft 1 Guard who's not à point Guard at #3. Wow,, if this what they get at #3, à 6'1 Guard who averaged 12 points à game? Where the Michael Jordan, Dwayne WADE, KEVIN DURANT, JAMES HARDENS, KOBE BRYANT, KARL MALONES?? WHERE ARE THE IMPACT PLAYERS?? WHATS WRONG WITH 7FT 4 ZACK EDNEY. WHATS WRONG WITH THE COLLEGE PLAYER OF THE YEAR?? REED IS BETTER THAN EDNEY?? WHAT IS GOING ON??
Wtf are u talking abt bro…..
Oh,, no one is supposed to disagree or have à différent opinion??? Didn't know that.
I think they were just asking you what the fuck you're talking about.
It's there in Plain ENGLISH.
I find that's what I'm being extra fussy, a very small amount of cannabis helps.
So,, we go Draft another DAVE JAMERSON,, BRYCE DREW,, BOBBY HURLEY,, STEVE ALFORD AT # 3?? REALLY. THIS GO BE FUNNY????
I just learned who Reed Sheppard is a week ago and I am ready to die for this pick 😂