Why does the NHL (or players association) preclude voluntary contract restructuring with willing players? I JTrouba wanted to give up some salary to stay in NY to benefit his family, why should that matter to anyone else? Honest question
These guys operate on guaranteed contracts. Not sure the NHLPA wants to open up that can of worms.
They really don't. Back when Yashin just told that hes not paid enough and just demanded a new contract. Those days are gone.
Oooh all NHL contracts are guaranteed? I did not know that. That’s quite the shift coming from the NFL world I’m a little more familiar with.
Do you know if there’s sort of a good summary or run down someplace of how NHL contracts and the salary cap work at a high level for someone seeking a basic understanding?
I can give you a semi-decent one.
Every player is under contract for y number of years making x dollars. Average annual value (AAV) is x/y. The AAV is also known as cap hit, which is the amount of money that player contributes against the salary cap every year. The salary cap recently became an 88M. If, say, Trouba has a salary of 8.5M against a cap of 88M, he takes up just under 10% of our total cap space. I don’t follow football, but I think all that is similar.
NHL contracts are one-way or two-way. A one-way means a player can only play in the NHL. A two-way means that he can play in both the NHL and AHL at the team’s discretion.
Management can also offer players NMC’s or NTC’s. An NMC (no movement clause) prevents a player from being traded, waived, or sent down to the AHL. An NTC (no trade clause) prevents a player from being traded but allows them to be waived. These contracts usually have a period where it’s a total no trade/move clause, and, after that period, the contract becomes a modified version (M-NTC/M-NMC) where players submit a list of teams they can’t be moved to. That’s what’s going on with Trouba right now. He had a full NMC prior to this offseason, and now he’s transitioned to an M-NTC, so the Rangers will either trade or waive him.
When a player is waived, their contract is basically opened up to the league and other teams can claim it. If a player isn’t picked up by anyone off waivers and their team wants them gone, they need to buy out the remainder of their contract.
Some contracts also have performance bonuses built in. It could be something like goals, points, or other milestones. In the SCF, they were mentioning that Okposo on the Panthers had an additional 1.5M coming his way if the Cats won a cup. Since they did, Okposo was entitled to his performance bonus.
There are some things you can’t do with NHL contracts that other leagues do allow. One is restructuring terms after a certain period. Trouba’s not an 8M player, but I’m sure most of us wouldn’t mind if he stayed on for 5M a year. Unfortunately, the league doesn’t allow teams to restructure contracts. Another is trading away part of a contract, like they do in the European soccer leagues. Say, for example, we made a deal with some other team to take on half of Trouba’s contract in exchange for a prospect like Brennan Othmann. If this were allowed, we’d keep Trouba at a 4M cap hit, and the other team would take on the other half of the contract and get our prospect in exchange.
That’s all that’s coming to mind right now, but I’m sure someone will jump in with something I’ve missed lol.
Thank you, very helpful.
I have some questions, if you don’t mind.
Do NHL players always get paid the same per year? So like in the NFL a player might get X million the first year, Y million the second year, and so on for the length of the contract.
I’ve read about some trades where the team trading away the player still pay some of the salary? I forget what term/phrase was used to describe it and who it was, but I think it may have involved Kane or Tarasenko last year. Do you know what I mean and how that works?
Do bonuses count toward the salary cap?
Yep- retaining. If team A trades a player to team B, team A can keep up to 50% of the player's contract to make the trade offer more appealing. For team A, that's called dead cap- cap that's not going towards a player on the team.
I believe the salary is the same every year, but I'm not 100% sure.
Bonuses do count towards cap, but you can go over the cap by a certain percentage to pay them out. So when teams hand out bonuses, I imagine there's some sort of projection like "this is what we'd have to pay if all of these conditions were met and we had to pay a bonus to all our players who have one in their contract"
Because it would be taken advantage of. You can’t only consider the legitimate cases, you have to consider the cases where it’s not to the players benefit. Like labor rules where your employer isn’t allowed to give you PTO as compensation for overtime work, even if the worker would prefer that, because it easily creates a situation where employee A will be given a promotion because he agrees to take PTO over time and a half pay instead of employee B who will not.
What's the league minimum again?
I think it's 975k
Yeah at this point if he stops a trade and is on the roster next year and returns to his poor form then it will not be pretty between him and the fans
They just don’t have time for this shit. The urgency is real. I get he wants to stay, he doesn’t need to make a trade easy, etc. But once it’s out there, Drury has to get it done one way or another asap.
He must understand that 8 million for a 3rd pairing defenseman is not what we're looking for
yeah but leadership
/s
He doesn't even seem to be a leader right now... Just looking out for his own ass.
Who would claim him, at that salary?
Any myriad of teams that need a defenseman, a recognizable name to sell, and have the cap space to manage it for two years. Guys actual salary is $6m a year, that’s reasonable (though not great) for the player he is right now.
What happens if no one picks up his 8 million dollar cap hit?
Buy him out, move on. That’s the gamble.
I’m thinking buyout is where this ends. The way it’s played out I’d have my agent figure out the 15 teams with enough cap space to take the contract and those would be on my 15 team list. But there’s no way he can play for the rangers next year. Would be way too toxic.
But there’s no way he can play for the rangers next year. Would be way too toxic.
people get put on waivers and not claimed, and keep on playing for same team, all the time. theyre adults, they deal
Not really talking about the waivers part. More everything that’s happened so far. But hey maybe he goes unclaimed and they don’t wanna buy him out. And he stays.
players go through those things.
what do you think happens if, he goes thru waivers, goes unclaimed, and the rangers nevertheless decide to keep him
what does trouba do concretely? he shows up to camp but pouts in the corner? of course not. he'll just play as best he can and say to reporters "it's a business"
ur making it more dramatic than it is
You guys would need Lindgren to file for arbitration to do that this season right?
as a Drury hater i would actually give him a ton of credit if he did that (it would also be hilarious)
it would be Drury prioritizing on-ice play over intangibles/locker room vibes/money/etc.
He has no say from today. He has a 15team ntc so he can be traded to half the league and there’s nothing trouba can do.
He has to be gone today
He could have put Detroit on his list.
I doubt he did, thats why Drury asked for it early
There’s still 16 teams not his list he can go to
I really just want some resolution to this ASAP so I can stop annoying myself with my own yapping on the subject 😭
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right there with you brother 🫱🏼🫲🏽
I have fifillion posts on reddit. But if I didn't constantly do exactly what you just said, I'd have fifty fifillion posts on reddit.
The absolute worst take anyone can take from this is: “Fuck trouba for wanting to stay a New York Ranger”
Listen guys if it were up to me, Trouba would have been gone after 2022, anyone could’ve guessed the contract was going to get ugly.
Regardless, the guy is clearly a great person, and has been a great leader. He isn’t an asshole or ‘selfish’ like I saw on twitter for excercising a very fundamental right of his contract.
I saw someone saying ‘but they’re trading him to DET how could he possibly be upset?!?!!?’ As if it at all matters where he was born and he should just accept it. NY has been a home for him for over half of a decade, and Jacob definitely knows this team is close. It’s honestly baffling how many people are surprised he’s excercising his NTC
I can’t believe it’s been 6 years since we traded for him. Feels like 2 years. Time flies.
Covid really fucked with my perception of time lol
It's situations like this that remind me why I'm not a GM. Because I'm 100% like you, looking at the picture of the player as a human being, what they mean to the team, what moving entails for their family after setting up shop in a place, etc. And some people here are way too up on their high horses for wanting a player to screw themselves and their families for the betterment of the team that wants to get rid of them because "eh they make bank anyway, cry me a river."
Sometimes being the GM means having to make difficult decisions and this is one of them as far as you respect the person wanting to stay but you have a job to make the team better, and it likely would be better without him.
I'm kinda worried now, as Vince says, some fences will need to be mended with Trouba if he stays and the rest of the team regardless because of the Goodrow and Trouba deals. Again, I get that GMs have to make those tough decisions but if it makes your players twitchy, I can't imagine that's a good thing for the team going forward.
Vegas does the same thing and they have a cup... business is business and the players on the team WILL play hard to hopefully continue to have a job in the NHL.
Tampa as well, and Florida did Weegar and Hubi the same way. Bottom line is if any of us with regular jobs or careers would have performed as badly as Trouba has, we'd be in the same situation.
Realizing how much better my job could be if I was allowed to body check my competition though.
Ya it ain’t like Drury will lose the locker over this. It’s been done. Many times. And it sucks for not just them but for their families. But they get paid TOO MUCH to play a kids game with specific terms and those terms can be exercised.
I wouldn’t call him selfish because in his situation who would want to move? It would really suck for his family.
That being established, it’s weird that he’s (so far) forcing his way into staying on a team that no longer wants him after an awful season(s), and call me judgmental maybe the millions he’s making per year and having generations of his family set for life without having to work a single day will soften the blow of getting the fuck out.
I see what you’re saying but at the same time, it’s not like there’s 6 years left on his deal, there’s 2. Im sure no matter what his relationship is with FO he’d rather just ride out those years. Again, he knows that’s when the teams window is
Just for the record since I’m rereading my comment and it might come off as the contrary- I am pro-get trouba off the team any means necessary, I’m just asking people to disassociate the athlete with the person.
At the same time he’s only gonna be POSSIBLY uprooting for 2 years which is much better than most professionals.
We need the cap space NOW.
I get it, but that's the life of a hockey player. They know that going into it as a career. He should ask to go to NJ or LI if he wants his wife to stay at her job.
Well NYR gave him a contract with an NTC and are apparently trying to trade him to Detroit. It's his right to not go. We did that to ourselves.
its a MNTC
And? Detroit's on his list. He ain't going.
It's actually currently a full no move. Switches to a 10 team MNTC tomorrow.
Since he's from Michigan and played at UM, if there was a team that shouldn't be on his NTC it would be Detroit.
Im struggling to see the urgency to trade him this season now with Kane off the board and likely guentzel and stammer too (or off limits in salary even if Trouba gets traded). They’ll trade him to end up overpaying a couple of middling players
He should have been gone the first year he didn't play up to expectations when they still had an out. The non trade clause didn't kick in until the second year I believe. Hated this contract then, hate it even more now
Loyalty to our players is perhaps a fatal flaw of ours the past 15 years or so
Can you really say that given we’ve shipped out numerous captains and fan favorites in that same stretch of time?
Yea it’s pretty obvious we don’t have a cup. Thats the mark. There is no great seasons. It’s win the fucking cup or it’s a lost year. If we pay Igor 14% it will be lots of lost years.
Sadly I think we're going to do the same thing we did with Hank. Igor's going to get paid.. we do not identify and develop enough talent and depth under ELCs to win us a cup that way. I hope I am wrong, though.
You’re probably not wrong. That’s the sad part. And I was saying it too.
We pretty much need to pray Mika gets it together for one more ride and whoever we staple at the RW can shoot the puck and be a serious enough threat for defenders to cover him. Feels like these players have the org by the balls too.
It’s like playing in New York is big enough for them. Super models and suits every day. Crazy night life. They’ve won the hockey lottery already. I think Mika needs 2 new line mates. So does Kreider. Split them up. Let’s try something new. Sometimes good enough is the biggest enemy of being the best.
I too think new lines would be good. Fingers crossed man
That’s the best we can do. Argue back and forth and then they do something that none of us suggested or expected. Lol. Whatever I’m wrong a lot and as I get older being able to admit that I don’t know shit has made my life happier.
Drury got bought out and essentially forced into retirement while he was captain of the Rangers. Can hardly blame him for being a little merciless when he's put in similar positions, as he was taught this was a business the hard way.
At the end of the day, you negotiate the contract you get, and you're the person most in control of your play. If Goodrow or Trouba didn't want to leave via options contractually available to us, they needed to play up to their contracts. If Trouba was playing as an effective 1RD or even 2RD, like he's paid, this wouldn't be an issue. And I'm not saying he or Goodrow showed a lack of effort, but at the end of the day, job security is defined by job performance, in any industry.
To be clear, not saying he shouldn't use his M-NTC to fight for his right to stay as much as possible. But Drury trying to clear his cap hit to make this team better is hardly dirty or ill-willed.
I thought Drury injured his knee to the point that he was no longer capable of being an everyday player. He could no longer play and he knew it. Instead of retiring, he held the team hostage (within the bounds of his contract) and forced the Rangers to buy him out. He never played another game in the NHL. I wouldn't say the Rangers did Drury dirty - quite the opposite.
I don't think they did him dirty. I think it was a business then, and a business now. Drury's just on the other side. Both sides should enforce their rights within the contract.
Drury hurt his knee carrying that huge wallet full of money he stole from the Rangers..
Exactly. It’s a business, it always is. Even family businesses are ruthless to family members.
Trouba’s situation changed when Foxy showed up and was WAY better than expected (Hughes and Makar were both top 5 picks, fox was the 18th D drafted in his draft year…29 picks after Libor Hajek). After that 1RD was off the table, as was PP1 time, and really any kind of focused offensive role. Given that situation he was always going to be 3ish million over paid even if his play had held up.
things that happen when you have an M-NTC. this is the business. we're here to win a cup, not to be nice.
It’d be awesome if we could be nice and also win a cup but Trouba was so bad that we no longer have that option.
seriously. if Trouba was even half decent, then the team would deal with the fact that he's not living up to his $8m AAV
but he's been replacement-level bad and a direct liability to NYR. NYR went 11-2 this season without him and all the team's metrics got a boost with him off the ice
If Trouba was even half decent, we are talking about going back to back next year.
He literally is a captain and is on a team that is infamous for shipping out guys 2-3 years too late. Does he realize how bad his situation is that he is getting traded despite all this
This, him and his team wanted the most value he could get money wise and took the modified no trade clause to get that, sucks that you have to relocate your family but we’re gonna send you to you hometown team and you’re making 8 million a year I can’t feel too bad
If players are pissed off bc the FO is trying to make moves to get the team to cup-level, I can live with the consequences of that. Ofc the FO will inevitably handle things poorly from time to time, but they have to do what they think will lead to winning.
This is going to be an incredibly toxic debate on here and twitter for the foreseeable future, isn’t it.
First and foremost you’re not a bad person for wanting Trouba off your hockey team as some would like for you to believe. Yes he negotiated for a NMC, but it’s in that same contract language that the NMC turns into a 15 team list in 3 hours. At that time, Drury can do whatever the heck he pleases. Trouba’s camp being difficult over the last 2 days is just that… being difficult.
The ruffled feathers for uprooting a family is simply an unfortunate part of the professional sports business. But, I don’t hear a lot of outrage for career AHLers who make $80 grand that have to move every 9 months.
If the rangers fall short of expectations again in the next 1-2 years while Trouba is under contract, then Drury is the one who’s going to lose his job. It’s up for him to cut every corner and make every uncomfortable decision necessary to put us in the best position possible to win the cup… and so I ask, does anyone really believe we have the best possible chance to win the cup if Jacob Trouba is on this team making $8M? No. The answer is no.
I don’t know why it has to be a toxic debate and I’m kind of surprised.
People should be able to be frustrated he may still be here, respect that he’s utilizing the NTC he negotiated for, admire he’s doing this for his wife and family’s and respectfully hope that this resolves in a situation that benefits the Rangers offseason plans so we can pursue the Stanley Cup.
But maybe I’m expecting too much of people.
And they should be difficult. It’s their right and they should use it. But the team is also right and it’s a billion dollar business not a family pizza parlor.
IMO, the locker room can get bent if they’re upset about how it’s been handled. This leadership had a culture where Mika felt it was ok to bitch out if fighting for a puck versus Bennet with an empty net and he comically tried to fake an injury
This leadership culture gave Panarin the feeling he could coast back like he’s skating at Rockefeller Center rather than backcheck down 1-0 in the 3rd period of Game 6
Maybe it’s time for all these playoff no showers to feel a bit uncomfortable
Well said 💯💯💯
I totally agree 100% with this take.
Yea we need to shake shit up. Ship people out. Show the ones who stay we want to win. The cup. Nothing else. Fuck all this other shit. Playoff pussies can go bye bye.
The Rangers didn't riot when they fucked Zucc over they're not gonna riot when their worst defenseman over 3 years gets moved. The way she goes
Man I’m gonna get killed for this but Zucc did not get fucked over. He didn’t have a NTC, he was rightfully traded to a contender, and we didn’t pursue him in free agency. The most regular ending in the NHL.
Zucc was still a PPG player and was the leading scorer for several years. Should've built around him and made him the captain. THATS THE DIFFERENCE Trouba has declined exponentially since we signed him and he has never been worth the $8mil price tag. He was the direct cause of losing 2 playoff series.
Zucc took pay cut after pay cut to keep the team competitive while trouba penny pinched and forced his way on the team just to directly hinder it. Now we're hurting for a RW, go figure
he was never a PPG player with us
Still not fucked over. Not the situation he may have wanted but that’s how the business goes. I know he’s a fan favorite and people feel very strongly but if you saw this situation across the league elsewhere, you wouldn’t think twice.
huh? Zucc was a 50 - 60 point player and not the kind of guy you build around
Because Zucc being built around in Minnesota has amounted to what exactly?
Didn't say Wild were building around Zucc.
Alright then maybe it wasn’t a great idea to build around him as the core piece if the wild didn’t do it either
Is he not playing on the top line with kaprizov? Still seems like a pretty important piece
I just want this to be over already whether he stays or not. I do agree with the family part of it especially since Trouba has a 6 month old kid. That must suck. But at the end of the day, it’s not personal, it’s strictly business.
Did like the part about going after Marchessult, Toffoli, and Bertuzzi. As well as the center/defenseman route.
Honestly I'd feel worse if his kid was older, then he'd be leaving his school and his friends. This kid doesn't have a clue what's going on and isn't going to remember moving.
great point
The number of professional athletes that have to move w/ a 6-month old... probably 100+ per year. He'll be okay.
Ik they keep saying this shit about his wife as if 1000 other NHL players haven’t had to relocate and start live over again.
If its true talks of trading Trouba are running through the org, you can't really back out of it. They're really kicking their captain in the balls and can't expect him to comeback and lead like nothing happened
Trouba uses his player rights to force his way out of Winnipeg giving them limited choices on where to send him, now not happy when the organization is getting rid of him oh the irony. Lol
8 million past 6 years . 48 million 16 million plus from Winnipeg .. Guy has made 64 million Wife now working in medical field . If you now realize the hockey life being moved around isn’t for your family retire settle down in area and start another career around local hockey .. I’m not a trouba fan. Being traded is part of the sport . If he said I’m gonna retire to keep my family stable to would 100% respect him by putting family first
It is business
NHL players make millions of dollars a year playing a game, I don’t really care about them being forced to move every few years when they get traded
If Trouba played up to his contract this wouldn’t be an issue
- I hear the train a comin. It’s rollin ‘round the bend 🎶
if you dont play well in big important games you should understand that your team may trade/release/not sign/get rid of you.
One last FU from Gorton from. beyond the grave giving him the NTC
Ooof, the human element side to all of this.
If guys don't like it oh well. I get Goodrow, he was kinda screwed over, but nobody got it done. This is what happens when you don't win, tough decisions are made.
The CBA should have some kind of provision that allows restructuring in these circumstances. Like when a player’s NMC expires it triggers a limited window for the player to renegotiate a lower cap hit to keep their NMC or something. I’m sure it would be abused, but players also want NMC’s for various reasons and for someone focused on establishing a home and putting down roots somewhere it would be cool if the league and players found a way to facilitate that.
if he gets waived and not claimed, he has to play for hartford ahl to earn his money right?
easy commute from new york
win-win
Any teammates not sitting well with this should post their playoffs stats.
I’m not interested in feelings. They bought out Lundqvist. They need ruthless business decisions and ruthless hockey.
I'm in favor of moving Trouba. And I don't mind Trouba using all the tools available to prioritize his interests. What bugs me at the moment are these claims that Drury's "handling" of Goodrow and Trouba doesn't sit well with teammates. I imagine it is the team's core that is giving some voice to this. Sorry your feelings are hurt core dudes, but too fucking bad.
Yea. It just furthers the narrative that they are absolute whiny p*ssies. These guys are so soft.
Why keep the guy leading the league in penalty minutes?
The truth is, Trouba was never worth his contract, and it was given by Drury's predecessor. CD and co probably hoped giving Trouba the C might elevate his game. Clearly it hasn't. Problem is, I don't think waivers solves the issue, where Goodrow was a decent signing for his value for SJ, Trouba clearly isn't.
I can get the way goodrow was handled doesn’t look good to team mates .. however Trouba you had a no move that expires and the team needs cap space this is business .. he isn’t the first professional sport player to be traded and won’t be the last . If he doesn’t want to move around for family maybe he should look at a more stationary career
They feel impervious to the realities the rest of the working class have. Layoffs, down sizing, demotions, shitty bosses. Just because you make $8M a year doesnt mean you get everything you want.
If you had clauses in your contract at your regular job that allowed you to manipulate things into your benefit, you’d be using them too. It’s a business from the players perspective as much as it is from management’s perspective as well. Hate to break it to you but Trouba doesn’t owe you or any of us anything and is perfectly reasonable to have his best interests in mind, like everyone does in the workplace
That being said i hope we are able to move on from him and his contract
The only difference is that in our every day jobs if we had clauses to make it difficult to move I can deal with a boss being mad at me for a year or two while I make 2 million. I can’t deal with a whole fan base of the city I live in wanting me gone. That’s the only reason if I was trouba id want to leave
Uneasy lies the head that wears the C at MSG
I’m sorry, this is business. He’s an athlete, doing what many only dream of. You go where you’re dealt. It’s the career you chose.
Who here would relocate from their family for two years for 16 million dollars? I imagine most would.
It’s part of being a professional athlete. Trouba is lucky enough to only have played for two teams in his NHL career. There’s tons of players with families that get moved every year. Wennberg for instance this last year moved away from his family when his wife was giving birth. I feel he’s being entitled. Not because he wants to stay here, because he’s putting that above the betterment of the team, and the organizations rights to trade him, while his play has deteriorated More and more. This is exactly what a captain does not do.
Wennberg's wife came with him and gave birth in NY actually.
I'm just saying the logistics of it. It was worse than Troubas situation, and he did it, and never complained about it.
I cant wait till hes off the team
What about just using his broken ankle or whatever the excuse was to put him on LTIR all year.
He gets to stay in NY, we get the cap space and don't have to watch him play. Everybody wins.
Oh boohoo
Just because he wants to stay is not reason enough for him to stay. His play is why he's being dealt. His "leadership" is why he's being dealt. Hell, during this whole season Tro has been the guy on the ice who actually looked and acted like he wore the C. Can't think of a single game this year where I can say that about Trouba.
Dude has made MILLIONS off his contract. He can afford to hire a nanny for his kid. He can afford to fly his wife out on a private jet to whatever city he's at on the days she has off. He's not struggling and his "problems" aren't real reasons to keep him.
If getting rid of Trouba is the path to the cup, I volunteer to help him move. And I hate helping people move.
Whoever is upset can go too. Zero accountability on this squad right now.
If Trouba played to the level that an 8 million dollar defensemen does we wouldn’t be having this conversation, but he was a detriment on the ice every time he stepped on it this run.
This and the Mika’s comments crying for a winger who will pass to him, when he passes every break away opportunity he had this past season, has left a bad taste in mine and probably many other fans mouths.
Hard decisions need to be made if you want to win. This is how cups are won. Vegas did it. Tampa Is about to let go of Stamkos because of cap decisions. I love the dude but it’s time to move on from the 8mil boat anchor on the 3rd pairing.
I am concerned about the locker room effect.
Goodrow and trouba were locker room guys who, to some on the team, can rightfully conclude "they were done dirty".
It's a business, and hard decisions have to be made for the team, but even with potentially 11M in cap space I feel a little icky with how things had to go down.
They still have to happen.... I just don't love it
You’re right and I said this and got crucified. Now Vince is confirming our thoughts and this fanbase still doesn’t want to hear it.
Moving on from Goodrow was done in a technically legal, but shady and scummy way. Doing this to Trouba a week later is insult to injury for the locker room.
What free agent is going to want to sign here if they know they could be treated like this? They could sign with the Islanders or Devils and still live in NYC and get all of the same perks. They could sign with one of the Florida teams with no taxes and nice weather. One of the California teams with nice weather. A place like Carolina, Minnesota, Buffalo, DC, etc that’s great to raise a family in.
And why would the players have consideration for the org and be incentivized to take discounts or “team friendly deals” when the org has no consideration for them or their good friends? Just an embarrassing look for the Rangers. Being ruthless is one thing and it needs to be done but there’s a limit.
100%… I honestly cannot believe people are not realizing everything you just said. It is fine to move on from these 2 players but the way you go about it and how it is perceived matters.
Agreeing with all three of you here
Why should I (or any fan) feel bad for this dingleberry? He’s making 8 million and had stability the last few years with us.
Do you realize the turmoil roster bubble guys go through for a quarter of his earnings? Eat a chode trouba. You’re not worth your contract and your PLAY is detrimental to the team at this point (at least at the $$ amount)
boo fucking hoo
Man, I really wish he performed better in the playoffs. Look, I dont hate Trouba and I really wish it worked out better but we can not have a defenseman making $8M/year and leading the team in penalty minutes in the playoffs (twice btw, this wasn't the first time he did that) and providing absolutely nothing offensively. I'm sorry but the occasional big hit isn't enough, as much as I do enjoy watching them. Imo he got complacent. His family is happy, he's raking in the money and I think he stopped trying as hard, as simple as that. If he wanted to stay for the benefit of his wife and kids he should have played better. Sorry Troubs but this situation is entirely on you.
I’m sorry, why is Trouba’s wife supposed to be some sort of factor in running a hockey team?
Who gives a shit about his wifes job? It's no more important than any other players wifes.
He has an 8 month old, so what? Families with young kids move every day!
Guys on the team upset. Just add it to the list of reasons why this core is SAWFT
I guess the islanders/devils need to help him out lol
I have a certain amount of sympathy for Trouba and his family given that they've made a life here and have a young child, along with understanding that the feeling of being unwanted is really shitty no matter who you are. But at the same time realize that no matter what he is still making $8 mil a year and is already richer than 99% of people ever will be. Will it suck to move and start over somewhere else sure, but Trouba has finanical security no matter where he goes and I'm sure after the immediate emotions run their course he'll realize that leaving is the correct thing to do.
I'm hoping Trouba comes back so he gets the "Rosival" treatment he will beg to be traded.
The Rangers aren’t in the business of either accommodating or furthering the career of Trouba’s wife: they’re in the business of assembling (and disassembling as needed) a team that has the best chance of winning a Stanley Cup. Like professional hockey, a great advantage of being a physician is that, the profession offers one the ability and latitude to pickup and resume one’s career, both nationally and internationally. Not to mention the financial perks and benefits of either profession. I don’t doubt Trouba’s leadership and determination on the ice, and I don’t doubt the outstanding work he does off the ice: I don’t know him personally but it would appear that he is a good guy who cares about others. And while it sucks, business is business.
This Vince guy thinks we’re running a charity
I'm a bit worried about the team attitude that's gunna come from this
I don’t love the start to this offseason. It just reeks of dysfunction.
The level of delusion on Trouba's part is really something else. He has no sense of how terrible his play is, and just how much he's cost his team. He can't fathom why they'd want to get rid of him.
Literally said this in an older post. Team mates will be displeased of how an organization guts their assets. Mgmt fumbled those signings and are now fumbling their exits. When will we learn.
Whiny privileged players
Drury is within his rights to try to move Trouba, and Trouba is within his rights to use his M-NTC clause to it's full ability to prevent a trade.
Drury wants cap space, Trouba wants to stay a Rangers and get another shot at the cup. If Drury doesn't like it, he can complain to Gorton for signing the contract. I will side with the player over the organization 100% of the time in these disputes
What does it matter who you side with ever? Will it ever matter? Why would you want to take that stance on every situation when they’re all different. Trouba needs to go. It’s over. It didn’t work. He made lots of money. He will be just fine.
Too bad
I don’t know i still don’t have a good feeling about tthis
He can stay. Just needs to take 5-6M off his yearly salary.
For the good of the Realm.
This is definitely going to affect the locker room in a negative way. Considering Troubs and Goodie were 2 guys that had a voice in the locker room, I don't see who else would step into the leadership position.
That being said, Vegas has shown that loyalty means nothing in the NHL as long as you get a cup out of it.
At the end of the day, no matter what job needs to be done by the GM, it should be done tactfully. Th
Every member of the team is a person, and regardless of how much of this league is a “business,” you can still have zero control over the human aspects of managing people. That honestly goes for anyone in any leadership position at their company, department, etc.
I’ve always been a Drury fan, and a I’m a fan of Trouba’s game. I’m good whether they trade him or not, but I’m concerned with how the team is operating. There’s no reason the captain of your team should be completely shocked, blindsided, etc.
yikes
A-fucking-men
What’s going on with Trouba?? Feels like I missed something lol
Constant rumors the past week or two that the Rangers are trying to get rid of Trouba’s contract. Possibly to Detroit.
Trouba is upset about the idea of leaving. Some fans feel entitled to think he’s being entitled by caring about his life and family.
Ohhh damn. Yeah I can definitely get him being upset if it’s for family reasons
Plent oh hospitals in NY she’ll be fine
Just buy him out idc
Why do the Rangers always seem to move their C?
Trouba has got to go. Guy was basically a liability the entire playoffs
Cant blame him, Cant blame him, Cant blame him?!? Yes, we absolutely can. Guy has been a disaster, only time he contributed to winning was cracking Sid in the head on a dirty hit.
Drury has turned this front office into a mess.
I feel like Trouba is getting shafted over playing while he was injured, but Idk. I don't like the thought that this is now being felt through the rest of the team.
Then there's the thought that if moving out of NY is truly a no-can-do for his family, dude might be very well be an Islander or Devil next season.
It’s not like he was much better healthy
He put conditions in his contract to protect him and the team wants to go around that, because they don’t value him as an 8M player. Fine. He isn’t.
But if the team on the one hand wants to get around the contract with the “it’s just business” approach I’m fine with it.
You just can’t expect players like Igor to take home team discounts when they see this stuff. it’s just business.
Pretty sure I expect to get downvoted here but other players really do notice
I mean actually, you should want to take the discount so there’s a lesser risk of them wanting to move your contract in the future. Players should be smarter when negotiating if job security is a huge issue for them
I think maybe there’s a misconception about what’s going on. Drury isn’t going around anything. This July 1st, his contract states he can be traded to 15 teams of his choosing, he has to submit that list by tomorrow. This is in the contract he signed.
no one is trying to go around any part of his contract, trouba is just complaining that hes getting traded
I just feel like, why would players want to come here? If they are treated like used cars people won't want to sign with us
On one hand you are right. This is similar cut throat work Vegas has been doing but they get praised for it. On the other hand this in NYC and if you don't pull your weight you should not be untouchable. Drury is trying to fix the sins of his predecessor.
This sucks
Too fucking bad. No production, you move.
Soft team 😭
And when I said exactly that people would be rubbed the wrong way by this, this board downvoted the comment. This is going to result in some people not signing here and the current team not trusting leadership if they don't win next year. Drury is playing with fire.
I doubt it. It’s in his contract he can be moved to 15 teams of his choice. He shouldn’t have signed it if he couldn’t deal with the reality of it. Rangers are well within their rights to move him, and especially because his play was poor. If people are deterred from playing in NY because an overpaid player wasn’t playing well, then they can stay the heck away, I don’t want that kind of player on the team.
If it was a one off it wouldn't, but between Goodrow and now this. I mean it's not me that's saying it, "not sitting well with some teammates." Your doubt or my beliefs are irrelevant, the reporting is saying what the players are thinking.
What form Vince?
You know what…good. If they feel like that, very good, they need to be held accountable, and even worried they can get canned if they cruise with their feet up like Goodrow did all year, or play like an amateur defenseman while eating up the cap. Good, that is the way it used to be. Trouba’s gotten too comfortable, thinking he’s permanent when he’s not.
It’s like Lavi says. “We’re in the business of winning“, which mean performance matters, especially relative to big contracts.
we've dumped more important, better players, and well liked teammates in the past than Trouba and players still twerk for us every free agency. we will be fine.
If Lundqvist can get bought out and not be a sour puss about it, anyone can
One trouba isn’t being done wrong he has a trade clause that expires Tom . However I did say what you’re saying with how they handled goodrow . I don’t think that sent a good message
They're just gladiators in the area to fans but they have lives and families and friendships. Bad blood will happen whrn things are handled like this
They're just gladiators in the area to fans but they have lives and families and friendships...
Dont forget the Millions.
This isn't like he's being fired from his job with no prospects on the horizon with a family to support.
He's just being sent to a different city to continue to get paid his contract, which has all these clauses for a reason, which he accepted as a possible reason for his upcoming departure when he signed it.
If he really wants to stay, prove it. Have him tear up his contract and sign a new one for 2.5M a year because that's just about what he probably really is worth, and bury him on the 3rd D pair whe he probably belongs on the depth chart.
Clearly since he is paid well he's not supposed to have any emotions or feelings. When a gm gets a reputation for dealing like this I'm sure it will follow him into negotiations going forward.
Good. Players will know that if they want to stay here they need to not only produce, but also step their game up... Which are 2 things Trouba was being paid in that contract to do, and he didn't. Maybe he should have thought of that before being a liability on the ice.
Alright Jacob wanna stay in NewYork renegotiate your contract then. 2 million is fair 3rd pair minutes is fair. Be the captain you say you are and do it
he couldnt do that even if he wanted to.
I’ve yet to see who we replace him with for 6m or less per year while also filling our other spots.
What? You haven’t seen jones? That’s his replacement. We bring up our farm system and if they suck too we replace them. It’s how other teams work too. Or we go get some big defenseman. Ekholm like.
Still need 1 more D assuming Lindgren and Schneider sign. I understand bringing people up through the system. But you can’t just take someone from the A and pop them on your second pairing and reasonably expect things to go smoothly over the course of a full season plus playoffs.
Who knows. Maybe I’m wrong. I just see a lot of TROUBA OUT without seeing the other half of the equation.
Don’t worry so much. The other half will come. Can’t put the cart before the horse. We need to get rid of Jacob then we can replace him. We can’t replace him then get rid of him.
We can replace him with any 2m 3rd line defenseman
They absolutely cannot bring Trouba back at this point. Guy is going to force Drury to put him on waivers.