www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/ugly-republican-lie-dems-infanticide-matters-rcna147195
Why the ugly Republican lie about Dems and infanticide matters The problem isn’t just that Republicans are lying about Democrats and infanticide. It's also the fact that they feel like they need to lie.
The entire Republican party is built on rage-bait lies.
But there’s a larger context to all of this. Republicans like Trump and Murphy seriously expect voters to believe that there are women, medical professionals, and Democratic policymakers who “want abortion literally when the child is coming out of the birth canal.” That’s insane. There are no such people.
This, in turn, helps set the stage for a debate over the future of reproductive rights in the United States, with the presumptive GOP nominee and his cohorts apparently convinced they need to peddle outrageous falsehoods, not just to smear their opponents, but also to distract from the fact that most Americans simply don’t agree with the Republican Party’s regressive position.
The problem, in other words, isn’t just that guys like Trump and Murphy are lying. The problem is made worse by the fact that they feel like they need to lie in order to prevent more election defeats.
It's what their cult wants. They're only saying what conservative voters want to hear. None of them really believe it any more than they believe in their bibles. They're all in on the lies. The cruelty is the point
You are vastly overestimating the intelligence of ~30% of people. A lot of them are evil, but Trump loves the poorly educated for a reason, and it's largely because he can call them dumb to their face and get applauded for it.
The country's feelings on abortion speak for themselves. More than 90% of all abortions happen prior to week 15. Of those that are later, fewer than 1% occur in the third trimester, and nearly all of them are emergency medical situations. Rather than just saying that elective abortions in the last few weeks are exceedingly rare, pro choice groups should really push the percentages. Make Republicans defend why their opposition to a fraction of 1% of all abortions should drive the whole debate on their side. The half-wits of the base may be poorly educated and learn-resistant. They aren't learnproof though.
“Learn resistant”…That’s a good one.
Republicans are literally the party that are forcing babies to die after birth.
They force women with unviable pregnancies to carry to term, leaving no option but for the baby to suffer immensely and die right after they’re born.
This is the real “late term abortion.”
In Russian, it's called Vranjo.
No English word for it...
It's like: I lie, you know that I lie, I know that you know that I lie, you know that I know....
And we both agree to never call one another out.
Together we enter a fantasy world, where things are as we want them to be, where we can make up anything we want and never have to face reality.
We create one 'truth' for the street and another 'truth' for around the kitchen table.
In Russia, it has a centuries long tradition, bc it is needed for survival.
Republicans seem to revel in it just for the malice and the damage they can do with it.
The attack is not on true facts ... the attack is on the very concept that anything CAN be true, that there is truth as opposed to lies.
Make believe worlds are for children, not their parents. Unfortunately a lot of people seem to prefer being children.
wow
At this point (I call this ‘End Stage Trumpism’) Donald Trump has Charles Manson-Jim Jones like mind control over the lunatics who still follow his every word. These people were bananas in 2016 and 2020, but now they know we know the truth about Trump (and them). At the same time, as trials with prison sentences are getting closer, Trump is getting more paranoid & terrified that this time he’s not walking away from what he’s done.
He’ll never admit this, which is why this combination of disturbed followers & a desperate Trump could be a recipe for something like Jonestown - he is panicked & when he tells these people to panic or get outraged - no matter if it’s something they’ve never even heard of before- within 10 minutes he’s got them outraged.
He can work these people into a frenzy to get whatever results he wants, and these followers of his are glad to do whatever that may be.
So in this end stage as you say, when he’s really hit the panic, what action are you thinking he going to have his frenzied maga nuts take? Is it just general take to the streets or something more specific/targeted?
No need to ask Reddit, take a look at Trump's recent threats.
The GOP's Achilles heel is the narcissism of its base. One day they might figure out that their representatives think they are idiots. That would kill the GOP. But, being as they are idiots, Republican voters might never figure it out.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, put that in the playbook, it works.
it’s a 21st century version of blood libel. they’re running the nazi playbook
Because calling people commies or socialists is so civil rights era slurs.
Quicker reason shortcut to hit the illogical emotion is call people pedophiles and baby killers.
Noone is going through pregnancy and deciding last minute to have an abortion. Late term abortions are all healthcare decisions to save life of mother where fetus is nonviable.
No laws are needed because it's a medical decision between the one pregnant and their doctor.
Fix the issue of people being uninsured so they are healthier to be pregnant and have access to abortion early if needed along with free and accessible birth control.
Why don't force birthed states pay for the pregnancy and delivery of these so called "precious" lives? If they are so important to be born why aren't taxes raised to cover the costs if forced birth? The state is physically, mentally and economically assaulting women.
The GOP knows that they won’t win with the truth.
They lie about absolutely everything. What a fucked country when one party is allowed to lie endlessly without consequence.
It’s in their dna
"They need to lie."
As Duran Duran sang .. it's Reflex.
And they don't care if they "use it" or "bruise it."
If Republicans played fair, they would be extinct.
This party would be extinct, but another conservative party would fill the void after a bit. And that is okay, because it's a rather normal part of political change.
The not normal part has been our duopoly system making it so hard for alternative voices to gain any power.
They're liars in a cult of lies. They revel in them.
The Republicans are like the Raptors in Jurassic Park.
Constantly testing the fences for weakness. It gets tiring putting up with the stream of lies and bullshit. But that what they are counting on. Decent people tire and the GOP will flood through.
Voting them out is the best and only defence we have because the press are not holding them to account. Too interested in making money from the race to focus on the potential disaster of the wrong outcome.
Do people really believe this shit? If someone killed someone after birth it’s fucking murder. Do they think Dems are just murdering children out right? Like cmon.
Yes people absolutely do believe. Look at pizza gate. Conspiracy theory is incredibly dangerous and GOP is now weaponizing it. The ones that don’t believe understand it’s good for the cause and it’s close enough to the truth for the ends to justify the means.
Look at Qanon. People fully bought into that and it’s about all kinds of crazy stuff like lizard people and baby eating. People have died and murdered family members over qanon conspiracy bullshit.
Yes! People think the real world is some conspiracy or multiple conspiracies. Reality is far more boring. And worse, a lot of people don't understand basic science. So, this lack of understanding makes them vulnerable to misinformation. Then they vote and have babies.
Even if they don't really believe it, they very much want it to be true so that it can justify their fear and anger and hate
Personal experience. A friend was over at my house and his mother was on speakerphone, talking about democrats killing babies. I screamed at her to stop spreading lies in MY house, grabbed the phone and hung up on her. My friend agrees that these MAGA cultists are unhinged but it's difficult to tell off your own mother. It's just sickening how Republicans are tearing families apart.
I hear ya. It’s tearing my parents apart right now. Sad to watch the downward spiral. Cant hardly talk to my dad about much anymore but goddamn does he love home some Bigfoot conspiracies the most.
Yes. I grew up in a conservative religious household and my ex has our child amongst such people. Most of them are normal(ish), but I frequently hear slippery-slope things from child's school or friend's parents such as: "people on the left just want to murder conservatives" and "legislation to protect trans kids exists because they're trying to groom our children for their own pedo ends" and "they want gayness to spread so the birth rate drops to protect the environment" and "murdering abortion care workers is okay because they like to murder babies" and on and on and on.
I heard some of these things throughout my childhood (1997 Disney boycott, anybody?), but the rhetoric now is much more violent and in the open. There's a startling acceptance of extreme exaggeration, and anyone who speaks up for truth gets torched by their side's extremists. Speaking up against out-of-control leadership is not just frowned upon, but cause for excommunication from your community. That can mean losing relationships, social standing, jobs, and even safety.
Sadly yes, my FIL and I were just having this conversation and I was like that is literally murder, which is illegal no matter what age. They just regurgitate whatever they hear on their conservative talk shows rather than think critically. Drives me nuts. As a side note, I don’t understand why they think anyone would wait to get an abortion, I’m 8 months pregnant and it’s miserable/tiring.
How do you know a Republican law maker is lying? There lips are moving.
I saw trump do this when he was debating Hillary. I have no idea where this notion comes from that democrats support killing babies after they are born. But this asshole has been saying it for years.
What else do Republican politicians offer besides lies and deceit?
The gun nuts need them kids for target practice 🎯
White ISIS has their own brand of jihad…
Yep. If you have to turn your political opponents into baby-eating monsters to make your own party look good, what does that say about your own party?
Dang I wish Hillary had used this line when debating Trump
The GOP separated families. They sat around a table and voted to do it, then they did it. Ripped babies and toddlers from their parents.Their fake outage over late term abortions that are extremely rare is outrageous. They just love a fetus to exert control, they show they hate for actual born and living families.
I’m about as extreme as it gets and believe a woman should be able to have a fetus removed from her body at any point in the pregnancy for any reason, but that doesn’t mean I think a viable baby should be killed. If it can be kept alive without using the body of a human then doctors should do what they can. What I object to is the idea that anyone can be forced to use their body to keep something or someone else alive. You may as well create forced organ donation laws. We don’t even force people to give blood which most people would recover from within hours.
I stopped speaking g to my step mother for this very reason. She had 3 abortions when she was in her child bearing years. When I asked her why she’d support taking that choice away from other women she said she didn’t want them to feel the guilt and shame she did, and also didn’t want full term babies to die because Dems let that happen. She believes the lie about infanticide and all of Trumps and the Republicans lies and BS they feed them.
They don't feel like they need to lie. They just don't feel any need to tell the truth, since there's nobody holding them accountable.
"Need"? Or just really, really enjoy.
I give Greg Murphy the evil eye, I curse you with pancreatic cancer, Mr. Murphy and wish you sweet dreams.
I mean Ds did vote against the born alive bill that would require not killing babies if they survive abortion.
Doctors were already required to provide medical care by law in those situations. That bill was a scare tactic, not an actually useful law.
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