www.thegamer.com/fallout-london-gog-release-delay-fallout-4-update-interview/
Report: Fallout London's Delay, And The Move To GOG
to go with GOG instead...
Enderal is also available on GOG the same way it is on Steam, and GOG has publicly pondered just keeping the pre-update version of FO4 available to keep modding copies painlessly possible.
The reason I heard FOLON isn't going the stand-alone installer route is because of rights issues with Bethesda, i.e. Bethesda would need to sign off on it. I do not know if that is true, but it does look plausible: They would package code they have no rights to into a legally separate product. Doesn't really matter if they give it away for free: They have no rights to distribute it.
They aren't distributing it for free though, are they?
From what I remember Enderal requires Skyrim to be installed? Or at the very least owned
You do have to own Skyrim on your account to be able to add Enderal to your library, I think - but Enderal itself is free.
Yeah that's what a lot of big mods do for games.
So I wonder why it'd be any different with folon and fallout 4
I wonder that as well, and my best guess is because Enderal (or The Forgotten City) is its own thing in terms of IP: They are not affiliated in any way with any Bethesda IP. It's just "Enderal", not "Enderal: A Skyrim story", or "TES: Enderal".
FOLON is different: It plays in the Fallout universe, and even has Fallout in its name. The best Bethesda ostensibly can do to let it truck on instead of nintendoing it for copyright/trademark infringement is to ignore it. And they can only plausibly say "we're ignoring it" as long as they haven't signed a contract with them telling the FOLON team that it's alright to distribute parts of Bethesda code with their mod.
But as said, that's just me making assumptions without any insider knowledge.
Bethesda: Oh, you're making a whole new game in the universe we own? Go for it!
Nintendo: Say "It's a me, Mario" one more time and we'll sue six generations of your family.
But Fallout The Frontier had a Steam page at some point IIRC, it really is weird.
I'm starting to think that the rumors about Bethesda having some sort of beef with the Fallout London team might have some truth to it.
Well, Bethesda endorsed The Frontier and you saw how that went down. Bethesda might not be as eager to sign off on another project that might potentially soil the Fallout brand.
With Fallout being in the spotlight right now with the show, could you imagine they sign off on it and then something in London comes out and you get the headlines of "Bethesda endorsed Fallout game has Animal Sex and incest".
Hey hey now, the arguably best game of last year had animal sex!
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That still doesn't explain why they are letting Fallout London have a page on GOG, something is definitely afloot.
If their intention was to not endorse any big mod project period, they wouldn't even let GoG do this, but for some reason they do, and I don't think it's a simple "oh but on GOG there are less users".
I mean, the Fallout show has both incest (main character and her "cousin" and animal sex (a dude that REALLY likes chickens) - and the show starts every episode with something like "From Bethesda Games".
I think that's it, that's the reason. After FOLON out and Bethesda sees there is no undesirable content, they might even consider endorsing it.
I guess it could be the naming and IP, yeah. Although valve doesn't seem to have a problem with it.
Because FOLON uses the fallout franchise while Enderal is it's own thing that's why it was released on steam.
Rename it to OutFall
"Oi guvnah, there's nuclear bombs out fallin' all over London, there is! No changes to war, amirite lads??"
There you go, sorted. Enjoy finally releasing the game, modders!
Enderal was also the first and only time a stand alone mod built off a Bethesda game released on Steam with its own dedicated store page. There very well could be a legal pathway set up by MS that Steam doesn't want to bother with now but GOG is willing to
Well, there’s also Nehrim which its predecessor.
Enderal released on Steam two years after its initial release. It's not an option in advance. It requires cooperation from Bethesda, who likely want to see some quality checking and public coverage of a game before giving it that sort of platform. The Fallout London project lead has said they'd like to see it on Steam in future.
probably more to do with the fact that gog doesn't update games as often as steam.
You'll still be able to install it on a steam copy of fallout 4, right?
It says so in the article, but it doesn't say much more. We will have to wait for more details i think.
They'll probably use the account link feature in Galaxy to verify you own the game somewhere else, like Steam.
I wish I could do this with every game I have linked to my GOG account… even my xbox one account. Wouldn’t it be neat to just be able to own license a copy of a game and bring to whatever platform you choose without having to buy another?
That is at least the goal of the FOLON and GOG teams. First I heard was that it should run without a problem for both GOG and Steam copies, but they weren't sure on EGS yet (but hopeful they could make that compatibility happen as well). Don't know if anything has changed since then.
no
Support GOG for DRM free gaming.
Have been supporting it for years now.
Still no GOG Galaxy on Linux.... It's been years now.
We have Heroic which is way better
It’s not but it does do the trick.
I have a tough time having that mentality after the Hitman 2016 gog release controversy!
I personally don't blame GoG at all for what happened there. I love the platform personally and what it tries to do, but it's no secret that they can't grow big because of that. Many devs and especially publishers avoid releasing their game there, because they want to use a form of DRM to protect their games (or be assholes in the case of many publishers).
Afaik, a few years ago they barely broke even. It's sad, but I guess it's what you should expect from mostly classic games sales.
The limitations do hamper how much I use them. I will say that I love the amount of older titles they have. I get a nostalgia itch every month or two and can always find something to scratch it on GoG. They aren't making a ton of money on it but I figure every little bit helps.
Thing is, GOG doesn’t have much competition. There are other sites with DRM free games, but very few of them specialize in that, and try to keep older games compatible with new hardware.
So for me it’s water under the bridge, and I’ll continue to support them as long as they provide the goods.
Honestly this is so dumb. It’s cutting off your nose to spite your face idiocy.
Hitman wasn’t ever going to release fully DRM free. It said what it was on the store page. There is now no DRM free version of Hitman. So like fucking fantastic!
It’s a perfect examples of gamers being angry children.
galaxy launcher is pretty cool for managing multiple libraries as well
It's really not. The only official library integrations are windows and epic. Everything else, including Steam, is a community integration and they get broken and abandoned. Even the official ones stop working too because i think Epic integration is broken now. Steam integration has been broken for years. It was great when it worked but it's been years since all the integrations have worked.
Playnite ended up filling that role for me. FOSS, so the same hurdles get solved faster there.
git link: https://github.com/JosefNemec/Playnite
+1 for Playnite! Works wonderful, and has a similar big picture mode to Steam.
Agreed! Plus you can integrate emulators and emulated games!
The emulator support is fantastic
I'm so glad I put a few hours into customising Playnite. It's a game changer. Also an amazing full screen launcher for remote gaming via Moonlight.
Yep, once you find a theme you like, get your emulators integrated, achievement integration with SuccessStory, HowLongToBeat integrated- IT CANNOT BE BEAT!
Why? If Steam decides to take away my games I'll just take my boat and go to the seven seas for the rest of my life.
Steam supports entirely DRM free games and gog lacks features sadly like the workshop and stuff ( one of the reasons why i bought Rimworld DRM free on steam instead ).
Steam has DRM-Free games but it's not one of their main selling points, nor even something they support natively (All lists of "DRM-Free" games on steam are made by third parties).
I'd rather support a store that actually cares* about providing a decent DRM-Free experience than a store that just happens to have some games without DRM.
* Yeah, yeah, Hitman 2016 and many other issues. Nobody's perfect.
I never claimed it's their main focus
Not saying you did, but pointing why makes sense support GoG for DRM Free Gaming before Steam.
Ye i really wanted to buy rimworld as an example on it , but luckily i didnt would been 100% buyers remorse without workshop.
Steam itself is a form of DRM.
Games can be entirely DRM free on Steam regardless. You can for instance download Witcher 3, uninstall Steam and just start the game from its exe without issue.
One of the benefits with gog is getting an actual install file. Steam lets you install the game and you can run it without Steam authorizing the install. But with gog I can download an installer and put it on whatever computer I want without any verification I actually own the game. It’s a bit different and technically there’s no DRM but the way gog does it is superior.
One of the benefits with gog is getting an actual install file.
the thing is witcher can be copied to 1000 of pcs , and work , these are most if not all DRM free games on steam they come "Pre installed" and generate the configs and other files in your user folder on first start.
no installer needed.
The more you know, I wasn't aware of that.
Then atleast edit your false comment earlier this rumour and false take spreads everywhere still.
Steam drm free games can be copied to hundreds of pcs you own and be run without steam installed or ever having seen steam.
Steam is still DRM. To install the game you still need steam to verify you own it. With gog you get an installer that doesn’t need any verification.
Steam is still DRM. To install the game you still need steam to verify you own it.
No , as soon as you have EG rimworld downloaded you dont need steam at all anymore no more again , NEVER , you need gog too to download your games for 1 time.
To install the game you need steam. To open it you don’t. That’s still DRM
Can you define what you think install means here? You can copy the game folder to a new PC and run it without steam. You still need a gog account to download their games.
You don't need gog galaxy to download them though, is that your point?
You still need an account to legally purchase and download the game in the first place. Would that not mean GOG is also DRM?
Steam on its own is not DRM. It provides a DRM solution, but it is completely optional. Without it, you only need a method to get the files on your PC. If you already have the files, Steam will not attempt to phone home and ask if you bought it.
Just like if you had an installer from GOG, if you copy a DRM-free Steam game to a new PC that doesn't have Steam, the game won't care. It'll run just fine. Where are the anti-piracy measures in this?
The storefront alone is not DRM. If it is, then so is GOG.
Exactly.
but you likely will get downvoted cause truth
Except the installation of the game requires no form of digital rights management. That’s the whole argument. CDPR made the game code not care where it came from. If you buy from steam you have to install through steam. If you buy from gog you can install through their launcher just like steam or get an installer that wont require any login. I can run my copy of cyberpunk from gog without any extra launchers but my steam copy opens up steam to make sure I own it still.
or get an installer that wont require any login.
And how do you get this installer? You login to your GoG account and find it first. How is that any different from logging in to your Steam account and downloading a DRM free game? You need an account in both cases, that step doesn't change just because it's an installer instead of the entire game.
I can run my copy of cyberpunk from gog without any extra launchers but my steam copy opens up steam to make sure I own it still.
If this is the case, that would mean CDPR added Steam's DRM to the game. As I mentioned with Witcher 3, you can start it without even being logged into Steam once you downloaded it. You can even just copy paste the files to a USB, transfer it to another PC without Steam and be able to play the game without issue.
I'm more willing to trust the PCGamingWiki's comment on the Steam version here than someone who doesn't know the difference between a CDN and DRM: DRM-free when launched directly from <path-to-game>\bin\x64\Cyberpunk2077.exe.
If people are too lazy to read a follow-up comment, then that's really on them. Steam itself is still DRM, I just wasn't aware you can have games on Steam that don't have any DRM whatsoever, including Steam itself.
If people are too lazy to read a follow-up comment, then that's really on them.
nah thats on you , "these" people are literally the title readers which spread rumours and fake news everywhere they wont read further and are the majority.
Again wrong. Steam itself is not a DRM it’s a storefront where you can put up your game so people can buy it. The steam storefront offers lots of features you can use as a developer and part of this is the DRM feature. BUT steam is not forcing you to use it it’s optional. There are hundreds of games on steam without any DRM.
Yeah people think "downloading launcher and needing steam account = drm" but the reality is , its no different from needing an gog account and their website atleast.
Then atleast edit your false comment
No one in a million years should do this because you should be forced to follow the conversation in which that correction was made.
The actual DRM free games, which aren't that many, you just run it from the folder without opening Steam.
So is the gog account then?
I don't see steam DRM free games needing a steam account to run?
List is horribly outdated since years sadly.
doesnt even list rimworld and stuff
Steam itself is a drm platform. If you need another account to login that game isn't on steam. Or just look up requirements on games that straight up say you need drm. GOG is the only PC store that gives you installers. Allows to control updates and rollbacks. That is invalueable and something that steam will never do. Gog does have problems, but don't spread lies about steam guaranteeing drm free games. It's not true it was never true. GOG is the only store that does it as a baseline.
Steam itself is a drm platform.
So what you want to say is GOG is a DRM understood ( it needs an gog account to download your games and a website )
GOG is the only PC store that gives you installers.
Installed steam games dont need an installer anymore , most if not all DRM free games on steam run entirely fine copied to 1000000 pcs that never saw steam and run.
Allows to control updates and rollbacks.
Steam got this feature too , but as allways steam leaves absolute and total freedom to the devs / publisher how they handle that , as you see with DRM ( DRM free , steam DRM , or third party DRM all are Optional choices same for any community feature use and or roll back feature ! )
Gog does have problems, but don't spread lies about steam guaranteeing drm free games.
Its no lies dont spread them yourself.
Read up what a DRM is.
GOG is the only store that does it as a baseline.
see and this was something i didnt say earlier i said steam got tons of DRM free games , i never said its base line !
Oh so if i want to play mass effect on steam i can go to the store and can you help me understand what these words mean since you are so smart and knowledge? I don't quite get what these things mean, but since steam is the best platform there i am sure all these featurea make the game better and your purchase safer, right?
Incorporates 3rd-party DRM: EA on-line activation and Origin client software installation and background use required.
Requires 3rd-Party Account: EA Account
Requires agreement to a 3rd-party EULA
Mass Effect™ Legendary Edition EULA
EA Play subscription requires acceptance of
EA Play Terms
Steam is a storefront. Many games on it are DRM-free. Many are not. Can I get Mass Effect DRM-free from GOG? Baldur's Gate 3, The Witcher 3, and Cyberpunk 2077 are some notable examples of DRM-free games on Steam. You can download the files, then copy them to PCs without Steam and play them.
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/The_big_list_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steam
Oh, so if I want to play Mass Effect on GoG... Oh wait, it's not available on GoG. It's almost as if EA incorporated their own DRM, requiring their account and launcher on Steam and opted out of releasing a DRM free version on GoG.
Sorry, but Steam is just so effing convenient. I've got the occasional game from GoG and then made it so I could launch it from Steam.
Steam also has drm free games, it's up to the dev/publishers to add drm or not. Valve doesn't add drm.
Downvotes be damned, I will sing Steam's praises. It's reliable, it's easy, and it's convenient if you use more than one device from a different location.
Steam definitely has DRM on every game. Its literally called SteamDRM lol. Its just easy to bypass.
No, there absolutely are some games on steam which don't touch steam unless you start them via steam.
Plenty you can download, shut down steam or even remove it, then still play the game.
Ah you’re right actually. I forgot about CDPR’s Games and Baldur’s Gate 3. Although generally not the norm for steam games not to at least include the steam wrapper
I mean, there are over 1,200 games that are DRM free on Steam.
Yeah, only ~2.95% of all games on Steam are DRM free, but there is also a lot of shovelware on Steam, so I'd say it is still a large amount.
DRM on Steam is up to the dev to turn on or off. You can freely copy paste the drm free exes from it and not run steam. I do it with aseprite.
I agree with them. But I just don't wanna split my librarys. Even EA games like battlefield I'll still have on steam
Then petition for more publishers to not add drm to games when they release on steam. There are games you can buy through steam that don't require the launcher after downloading.
So brave 😍
They should just package the mod with a compatible version of the game. If you own FO4 you get FOL. That way even if Bethesda updates the game and breaks all the mods this one will continue working.
Steam really should add the feature like GOG, where can download older versions of games
Some games (e.g. most Paradox games) hack this behaviour through the beta selection feature in a games properties but that's up to the publisher. You would think Bethesda would do the same since modding is such an embraced part of Bethesdas model.
They won't do it because of the Creation club.
You can actually do this by downloading historic depots through SteamCMD, but it's far from accessible for the average user. To that end it should be made easier, but for more tenacious people there are officially supported options!
To that end it should be made easier
It should be easy enough to create a third-party utility that simplifies the process, if anyone has the motivation to do so. All of the information (depot/manifest IDs via SteamDB) and commands (via Steam's console) are already available.
Steam really should add the feature like GOG, where can download older versions of games
Steam got this functionality , but as allways steam gives devs the freedom to utilize the many features of steam , same with this one
Example , Rimworld one of the MANY DRM FREE ( ENTIRELY DRM FREE ) games on steam utilize this feature all versions are availaible
I think that is more of a work around for devs to use the beta tab. I don't think that is a straight forward feature for them
Good old GOG
Good old Good Old Games
It's encouraging that GOG has made Fallout 4 available for download to all users, irrespective of where they purchased the game on a PC.
How would we redeem it
GOG has done nothing of the sort
Really? How?
GOG has done nothing of the sort
That's disappointing, but completely fair. It's a testament to GOG's quality that something like that sounds completely believable for them to do.
True, however according to the interview Fallout London will be downloadable by anyone regardless of where they bought Fallout 4, so the result doesn't change. :)
They announced like a month ago this is being released on gog once everything updates after the next gen patch, nothing here is new
You’re mostly right, although there was at least some new commentary from the Fallout London team that they are considering releasing the mod for the old version before being able to fix the mod for the next gen update. It was also nice to see some chatter that GOG is ready and is in seemingly semi/regular communication with the FOLON team. We are still in the dark for a release timeline, but it’s nice to have more than pure radio silence — even if it’s not super meaningful news.
Yes, that's quite fascinating. I downloaded the game from Steam because I own it, but now that this mod is available, I want to repurchase it on GoG to support.
It’s been pretty regularly sitting at $5 or so on GoG and you get the bonus of having an easy way to avoid Bethesda’s updates
it will work with steam anyway and steam offers tons of DRM free games.
Steam itself is a drm bro, different from Gog which is true drm-free.
Nope steam is only a account system with launcher.
On steam you can release games with! :
No drm ( like rimworld or witcher 3 just to name 2 examples ), with steam DRM ( optionally) or third party drm ( like Denuvo or other drm)
If you consider the steam account a DRM then gog is a DRM too.
Sure buddy.
There are over 1,200 DRM free games on Steam: https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steam
In case you wanted a list for your "sure buddy".
The dev thinking Bethesda should have reached out to them about the FO4 update is still so hilarious.
Why does a mod release to gog anyway? Isn't it on a mod website?
The files were too big for Nexus. At least, that's the explanation. It will be a very heavy mod.
I'm amazed that in Bethesda's attempt to take advantage of the hype from the Fallout show they have basically pissed everyone off with worthless updates that did nothing and broke everything.
In the first time since the first year of its release I am wanting to play Fallout 4 again but I can't because Bethesda won't stop updating the damn game.
Now the Nexus is all out of wack with some mods updated, some not and some obviously not ready because the script extender is still not ready
Like Ffs Bethesda, you had ages to prepare for this next Gen update and it's basically nothing but pain.
I'm amazed that in Bethesda's attempt to take advantage of the hype from the Fallout show they have basically pissed everyone off with worthless updates that did nothing and broke everything.
The amount of people who played fallout 4 because of the update is significantly larger than the amount of people who had mods broken by the update.
The vast majority of fallout players don't mod their game whatsoever.
I'm not excusing them doing it in a hamfisted way, it's just the reality of it.
The vast majority of fallout players don't mod their game whatsoever.
I'll never understand that. Some of the very best parts of Bethesda games are what modders make of them. Not to mention just simple things like bugfixes and the like. Doing without mods is like paying a full price ticket to a theme park, going on one ride, and immediately leaving.
The amount of people who played Fallout 4 because of the update -- or because of the show? Realistically, even if they had not updated, the show would've led people back to the game. Heck, all the Fallout games have higher player counts now, not just Fallout 4. The update did probably help somewhat as well but was it worth pissing off their entire modding community?
You do realise they aren't exclusive groups. Bethesda could have make both sets happy which would be even more players.
I never said they weren't. One is a subset of the other.
I consider myself a “gaming enthusiast” and I don’t play use mods for anything I play either.
Don't know how you do it but some mods are essential for FNV and F4 to rven enjoy it.
High refresh rate mod
Boston precombine fixes
UI Fixes
The unnoficial patch
Landscape textures
CBBE ()
And so many more
FNV even needs mods to run properly on modern OS and CPU architectures...
But if you enjoy it that is all that matters 😀
I remain confused that anyone who has access to mods for games would choose not to make use of any of them. At the bare minimum any of the community bugfix/patch mods would seem a worthwhile addition.
I mean the modders knew what was going to happen. It’s not Bethesda’s job to try and make everything go good for the modders.
Well yes it is, that's why they release modding kits, studios and APIs.
They give modders the tools, it’s up to the modders to make their mods compatible with the game using all of the tools. It’s the mods that are broken, it’s not a companies job to make the mods work with their games
Eh Fallout 4 is topping steam charts and likely even more on consoles
So is FO76.
Bethesda is also transitioning with Microsoft and the TV show was made with Amazon. There's a lot of cooks in the kitchen to handle. In CDProjekt's case, they had to deal with far fewer megacorporations.
Game development isn't easy and it's harder when you consider those factors.
Most people play without mods. They can’t just cater to the vocal minority in the way that you desire.
They aren't exclusive concepts ffs
The way they addressed (or didn't) issues with Starfield showed to me they don't care.
Fallout London fell so that the Next Gen Update could stumble
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Enderal released on Steam as a standalone game, which also allows them to control which game exe is included to avoid Bethesda updates.
I'd love to know why the Folon team are intentionally avoiding that solution to go with GOG instead... Valve/Bethesda said no? DRM issue?