When making it, did they want it to be as difficult as it is from the get go? i have been playing it and i can't tell if its actually intentionally difficult, or if its just kinda clunky and and all the bugs and broken mechanics make it difficult, or maybe its a combination of actual difficulty and unintentional difficulty. Its a really bizarre game
Did Nintendo intend for Mario Sunshine being as difficult as it is?
You don't need 70 Shines, you need to beat episode 7 on each stage. Of the 120 Shines, 49 are required and the other 71 don't actually help you beat the game at all.
This. The problem when I was a kid was that I would get stuck on the floodless episodes in every single area and would be unable to progress the game. In all the other 3D Marios, you can just collect more stars or whatever from other levels and continue the story, with the exception of required boss fights.
Isn't the only FLUDLESS level required to beat the game the fire level in Pianta Village?
You even need less than that. On some level, you can get some late shine on the list and unlock the shadow mario mission early. The current world record finish the game with 43 shines.
Yeah but that's not intentional. The only Shine you're supposed to be able to skip is Bianco Hills 1.
The only jank I can recall is the pachinko level. What else is there?
Honestly your right that that's the biggest offender.
There's a handful of other shines that just are needlessly brutal. Like pushing the lillie pad on the poison river, or blooper surfing.
And the Blue coin search overall is just tedius.
Like pushing the lillie pad on the poison river
Don't forget having to escort Yoshi for 3 hours across the slowest boats on Earth to even get the pleasure.
Mario Sunshine did horrible Boss Runbacks long before From Soft did.
Blooper surfing... I once almost fully stopped my blooper and got it to jump onto a platform, to which Mario fell over and died. They could have lowered the jank on blooper surfing just a smidge.
Odyssey seemed to really have a bone to pick with Sunshine's blooper surfing
For Blooper Surfing, just ride the green one. Crashing deaths are speed based and the green is too slow to trigger the death at its base speed. It's also still fast enough to clear the missions if you use it right.
I also think the Yoshi level where you have to spray fish different colors so they turn into platforms that do different actions is pretty bullshit.
The underwater jetpack sections are pretty difficult to control (clean teeth boss)
Other than that Mario seems to have less forgiveness when going over ledges compared to other games, so you fall off very easily.
The dang surfing shine... I collected all 8 red coins 3 different times before I was able to properly touch the shine.
The poison river is so much worse than the pachinko. At least you know the pachinko is luck based. The poison river gives you the illusion of control.
I think the problem with the Pachinko machine is it doesn't tell you it's luck based.
It literally takes control from you when the whole game teaches you that flood should give you some control.
It really should have been a "no fludd level."
Luck based? I just did it on the YouTube channel and I used FLUDD to fly to each coin
this explains why i got so frustrated with that level. i think i skipped some stuff i was trying to do there. i totally thought i was supposed to wrestle with the control.
It’s not luck based once you figure out the physics it isn’t so hard
You can control where the pachinko sends you via fludd. Hell, you can wall-jump up the chute instead of using the launcher.
I mean there are ways to make the level easier but most of them arent intuitive or seem like they shouldnt work. Especially since the level famously takes control away from the plaer.
I think most people will try to use FLUDD to steer themselves in the level only to discover that an invisible force is pushing them in one direction which makes precisely hitting the coins arguably more difficult than not using FLUDd.
That chuckster fuckster level and that one level in Pinna Park where you go up the windmill. The camera keeps getting stuck in the wall and it’s just so bizarrely designed that I don’t feel like I’m even playing a Mario game.
You can jump through the windmill from the roller coaster platform and skip the entire intended sequence. Since the climb is not fun, I'd recommend doing it that way.
Rolling that watermelon down the hill was pretty terrifying.
The camera also made some seemingly-reasonable sections pretty painful, but that's barely worth mentioning in a 3d platformer.
The leaf river level that you have to tedious use yoshi to get to is worse than the pachinko in my opinion. That thing drives me nuts every time I'm going for 100%
The sand bird stage, that barrel roll still gives me nightmares
Many of the floodless levels. Especially the big bird. Forget its name
Yes but we did not know this at the time. I remember having way more than the required amount of shrines because nowhere in the game it's mentioned you need to focus on doing the Shadow Mario shrines to beat the game.
The one required shine that I hate is the flip puzzle in Delfino Hotel. I think it might work better on GC, but it's so bad that it's easier to use the out of bounds glitch to skip it.
The sandbird is extremely easy, and the Chucksters, while bizarre, are easy to get the pattern of.
When I played it on the All-Stars collection a few years ago I decided to 100% for the first time and I really only ever remember there being a couple of janky Shine sprite and blue coins. Those couple were frustrating but far from impossible compared to some of the tasks in other games.
It frustrated the hell of of me as a child, but now as an adult, i find it much easier. Its one of my top favorite games, and i wish it got a direct sequel.
I feel the reverse. As a kid I loved it, would call it my favourite Mario game. Up until I played it again as an adult in 3D All Stars...never have I been more frustrated in a game.
I swear it is designed to frustrate you. The physics are glitchy as hell, and for a lot of the Shines, one small platforming slip-up and you have to start the sequence again.
It's annoying and I dislike it.
A lot of games i loved as a kid are games im now terrible at, im just glad this one isnt one of them lol
I think a big part of it was getting used to doing so much with a controller all at once. Luigi’s Mansion also just kinda told you to start getting used to having two different sticks going in different directions.
I loved Luigi’s mansion just as much. Maybe i just have weird hands that are good at those kind of controls lol Could just be the fact im in the spectrum, too.
I found it easier than Mario 64 and Mario galaxy, maybe because I grew up with the game but I don’t really think it controls that bad or is that hard at all
There is no world where getting 120 stars in Sunshine is easier than Galaxy.
Getting the blue coins without a guide is an act of cruelty.
Yeah Galaxy is completely free
The stupid water melon quest in gelato beach is harder than all of galaxy
It takes a while, but you can make the Watermelon Festival a non-issue by killing all the Cataquacks with the Dune Buds first.
Galaxy is the easiest of the three. Mario 64 is moderately challenging. I remember loving Mario Sunshine, but my playthrough of it had me wanting to smash my Switch!
I forgot you HAVE to clear 7 main missions for each location to initiate the endgame, and I left my least favourite episodes for last when I was playing through. Needless to say, I gave up. I wasn't going through that. Felt like a higher framerate would've made it a bit more bearable.
Galaxy might be the easiest mainline Mario game ever, next to 3D Land and NSMB2. I don’t see how it could possibly be harder than Sunshine.
I prob died more at the chuckster level alone than I did for the entirety of Galaxy
I mean some challenges are obviously meant to be hard, but some are definitely way harder than they were intended to be because of the game's shitty physics and controls.
Six more months of fine tuning and the game would have been so much more well-balanced. If there’s any game begging for a full-blown modern remake, this is it.
It's a rare case of Nintendo rushing a game out.
Wind waker also suffered with this with the obvious filler fetch quest replacing a dropped dungeon.
People often cite the Wii U era as a panic mode for Nintendo, but the Gamecube era was waaaay worse. Can't really think of a Nintendo game that wasn't rushed back then.
Makes sense since the Wii U had Wii money backing it up while the GameCube had to follow up the N64 which had struggled against the PS1.
Paper Mario TTYD didn’t feel that rushed, but then again I don’t really know a whole lot about its development cycle! Definitely agree with this, even if it’s my favourite era from Nintendo
I mean there are hints at that:
no victory theme from the boss, the three goombas in riverside station, Smorgs, only Bow has a returning cameo, a couple programing errors ( like missing dialoge), Chapter 7 Snow part and General White as filler.
Just because the game dosn't have many glitches or lacking content dosn't mean a game can't be unfinished in other ways
I decided to see if there was more info and found this speculative comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/zelda/comments/26fs92/comment/chrtabc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
At least it is likely that what was cut from Windwaker was reused for future entries.
This.
GameCube was really getting cooked by the PS2, and in the west, to a lesser-extent, was even losing marketshare to the Xbox.
The first half of 2002 for GameCube was lowkey awesome with Sega Soccer Slam, REmake, and Eternal Darkness -- but these games were hardly moving the needle for console sales. Nintendo needed that Mario game out the door. And it shows, woefully.
It's kind of amazing Metroid Prime is as amazing as it is given it was also rushed.
imo, both Super Mario Sunshine and Zelda:The Wind Waker were disappointments, and to this day, still disappoint me. Because had they gotten an extra year in development, they could have been really special and timeless games.
I don't care what The Wind Waker apologists say. Beyond the fantastic art style, animation, and music, it's definitely the most half-baked, overtly easy, and padded Zelda game.
Wind Waker HD pretty much solves all the issue of the padding. Everything in the game is faster.
As for the game being too easy, that’s just a subjective issue. Not sure what to say on that one. Are you talking about dungeons, combat, puzzles?
I played TWW HD and I don't think the swift sail or reduced triforce quest solves that issue. The triforce piece quest should have been cut altogether or made an option upgrade.
The combat, bosses, and puzzles are all ridiculously easy. This is not a major complaint, as I don't mind an easy-but-enjoyable game.
The emptiness of the world with far too few islands and towns is my biggest complaint really. It's an ocean and world begging to be explored and it's mostly full of nothing. The main quest itself is also extremely linear, so the openness of the ocean seems at odds with itself given there's practically nothing to see.
I really want Nintendo to revisit this world and art-style one day and make an ocean and islands worth visiting, and allow me to really explore it.
You know some of us enjoyed the triforce quest and I actually prefer the longer iteration of the original to HD
The Metroid Prime development process was wild: https://youtu.be/tuc8X9qKePo?si=hPOat33AAwbYF3-e
Most padded Zelda game goes to Skyward Sword, followed by Twilight Princess. Windwaker's only argument for padding is the Triforce quest, but that quest is also short, and for someone like me who was already filling out the map, it took me no trouble to complete.
It wasn't even half-baked, just missing two dungeons. Skyward Sword and Twilight Princess were half-baked. Over 30% of Skyward Sword's runtime was filler, and some of the worst sidequests, second only to Twilight Princess' sidequests.
Nintendo did not know how to properly approach Twilight Princess, and that showed. The wolf mechanic, the main gimmick, is heavily underutilised, and is one of the weaker aspects of the game, despite being such an interesting idea.
You don't know how hard I wish for a Twilight Princess 2, so I can see a perfected version of that game.
No clue but it’s difficulty is one of the reasons it’s my favourite 3D Mario.
Based on the music alone, it’s a 10/10 game. I loved it when it came out
Yes same! I hated the galaxies for how easy they were. Yeah they are gorgeous but oh so easy
It’s my favorite 3D Mario, probably because it’s the least forgiving, but at the same time, it won’t let you lose (most of the real beastly parts have a very near 1-up mushroom).
I never even bothered to beat it as a kid because of how infuriating it was. It's even worse playing it as an adult.
I never found it that difficult.
Nah, it just controls like ass and some levels are pure jank
It was tough as nails for me as a kid at some parts. But after like 20 more years of 3D Mario it’s easy. Just feels clunky in some areas
I don't know any official sources (and I doubt they'd admit), but the game is downright unfinished in some stages. Like the one with Yoshi and pineapples. You cannot know what to do at this stage unless you read a walkthrough. The lava stage is borderline broken at some points too. So I think the game was rushed, they just didn't finish making it.
Yoshi fruit adventure in ricco harbor is probably one of the worst parts of gaming i have ever played, i beat elden ring in its entirety 7 times and i still cant beat this level haha. couldn't as a kid and cant now.
Just to check, dude: do you know about the palm tree on the grassy hill to the left side of the first couple of platforms? It lets you change fruits and make the platforms you're creating move up and down instead of back and forward.
It’s difficult?
Maybe since I was already in high school when it came out but I found it to be relatively simple.
People are blowing its difficulty out of proportion. I was 8 when it came out and had no problem not only beating it but getting 100%. One of my fondest childhood memories is staying home from 4th grade because I was sick and all I did was play Sunshine. I got over 70 shines in that one day.
The controls are janky and sensitive. Some of the level design doesn’t work in their favor either
I hate having to get punched by Piantas. Was it that hard to just have spring boards like other games like Portal use? (Yes I know Portal is younger just don't know if there was any springboards in other titles though I assume there are).
Was in college, had plenty of free time, hands down the worst 3d Mario and is definitely janky.
There were maybe 3 difficult levels and mostly due to janky controls or awful level design
Yep. The game struggled with side modes- mud boats, pachinko, lily pad, chucksters, Sand Birds oddly steep ascent. It's all stuff where they're breaking from the norm.
It's clearly not deliberately hard, it's the game breaking down from sloppiness outside the core mechanics
Pachinko and lily pad were the only real challenge. The sky top level covered in lava sucked but can be cheesed
It was funny to go back to it in 3D all stars. I thought I was remembering it being hard because I was a kid when I’d last played it. But nope, played it again as an adult and it’s a tough game!
You guys just suck if you all genuninely think a MARIO game, of ALL things, is hard. The controls and mechanics are some of the tightest and most deep of all the games. Naturally you just need time to get used to a game, rather than blame it on your own deficiencies.
So "of all things", what are you comparing this game to? Sunshine controls aren't that deep either considering FLUDD is insurance for any whiffed maneuver. The problem is when it's as fidgety as it is in the secret levels and FLUDD isn't there. The game is built around it, so it's awkward to platform without it.
You should look up how many shines actually require the hover nozzle. Very few. You can do most levels with mario's jumping abilities alone.
Seriously, I feel like I'm going insane seeing so many people in this thread saying the controls are bad. Like, what? This is the best Mario has controlled in any 3D game. Mario moves smooth as butter and you just use fludd to make tiny corrections.
I feel the same way! What are these people talking about? The controls are absolutely top notch.
it's not the controll, it's the phisics, I remember hearing that they are same as Mario 64, but Mario 64 had simpler level design and no fludd pack
The controls are great, but the physics are questionable at best. I've stood on things I should have fallen off of and slid off things that should have been stable ground.
I genuinely don't get how anybody can say mario controls better in sunshine than odyssey. Maybe it's the dive but mario feels way smoother and cappy is a way better mechanic than fludd.
I’m with you lol. Come on guys it really isn’t that hard. It’s the most fluid movement of any Mario games. Plus, you can get everywhere naturally with the help of the hover fludd.
Odyssey is legitimately hard to 100%
There are some challenges that leave little to no room for error.
If you don't think it's hard you either didn't 100% it or you're just way above the average gamer.
If you hate one moon in Odyssey, you skip it. Come back later, when you are in the mood for a challenge. Or skip it completely if you are not into 100%ing.
Sunshine's biggest sin is the linearity. You must do six shines in each world. You hate one of them? You are stuck.
Okay, but the context was just the game in general. In general, Odyssey is very approachable of a Mario game, as is any other Mario game.
It just has weird controls but games do get harder the farther back you go
A lot of it is padding to make the game longer, unfortunately. But still fun imo
I played it recently and never played it before, I thoroughly enjoyed the difficulty tbh
I had never played it before 3D All Stars. I found the FLUDD mechanic kind of hampered the experience and things that normally were easy to do in a Mario game now involved more button inputs. That could be just me and my dyspraxia and hand injuries, but I had more trouble than fun --- whereas Mario 64 which I also played for the first time on that cartridge was fun and fluid despite its age and jank.
I happily played through 64, Galaxy and Odyssey without issue, so perhaps it's just a (possibly unfair?) expectation on my part that Mario should be able to freely jump and maneuver on his own with ease.
I wish I could enjoy Sunshine because the setting and vibe is elite but unfortunately it's too hard for me. Though reading through the comments, maybe the controls and physics really are a challenge for everyone haha
Naw, it's not just you. The game did require some extra maneuvering.
I think it's a combination of both. Some of the bonus levels are pretty challenging in their own right. But when it comes to the game's most brutal challenges, like the pachinko machine, the bugs certainly don't help. Quite the opposite really.
One of the things that make this game weirdly challenging is the fact that you are not allowed to skip any main missions anywhere if you want to beat the game any%. That's where the game totally could have been a lot more lenient if the designers intended to, simply by following SM64's example of handling progression via the Shine Sprite count.
I bought it on release day, 22 years ago. I still have my original Gamecube and that game. Including my original save.
Yeah, its an oddball. I only ever played through it once, and I collected all but 2 of the shines which I just could not find. No Internet to help me back then kids. I do remember a few areas of extreme frustration. Mostly falling from a height you were scaling, and had to restart the climb. But I always just managed to grind through those. But the vast majority of it was an enjoyable experience.
I never questioned Marios movement or physics that I see mentioned here. He always controlled just fine for me.
I do remember being a bit disappointed as it wasn't Mario 64 2, which is what I was waiting for. But I enjoyed my play through non the less.
I couldn’t beat it as a kid but didn’t find it too bad as an adult. Nintendo really hit their stride with 3D Mario once Galaxy came out.
I haven’t played since I was 11-12 but I remember struggling so bad lol but I got to the shadow Mario fight with baby bowser witch I found easier than most levels
The way I see it, personally, is that the game was designed around the player already being proficient with FLUDD's controls from the outset, and doesn't really help ease in the newcomer — which is obviously an issue.
I love Sunshine now, but it really didn't start that way. It took me quite a while to get on top of the controls, and it was a horribly frustrating experience before I did. When it clicks, though, the game suddenly becomes a whole lot more straightforward, and I actually feel like Nintendo went quite conservative on the difficulty level to allow for potential struggles with the controls.
It's quite an oddball as a Mario game, as you say.
I didn't think it was difficult, I just thought it was fun -- even as a kid, it was always my favorite Mario game.
Just because it's not mind numbingly, overly simplistic doesn't mean it's "hard."
I was surprised how difficult the fludless levels were when I played it again in All Stars
It was a rushed game, so I'd guess there was less time to have playtasters on it, not to mention fixing the things they saw fit based on that data to get it out in time.
But just a guess based on what we know from its development and basic gamedev knolage.
Bruh you just took me way tf back. I remember sweating this game as a lil kid. I beat it back then so it couldn’t have been too hard I don’t think
Bugs and broken mechanics? I can only really think of one particular issue. Everything is can probably be classed as challenging, but not "broken".
I think Super Mario Sunshine is a really interesting game because it takes the core mechanics of Super Mario 64 and adds a whole lot more complexity to the experience through FLUDD. I think it assumes that players are already very capable with Super Mario 64, so the skill floor is a lot higher than one might expect. But once you have the basic mechanics down, I think it all works rather well.
That said, I'm glad that FLUDD didn't feature in subsequent games. Those mechanics were starting to feel quite divorced from the core platforming - which was very good - and I think this slightly muddied the game's concept a little bit. I was pleased to see that Super Mario Galaxy really marked a strong return to the core platforming mechanics, leveraging them in interesting and new ways.
Nah, I LOVE Mario Sunshine, but there are definitely a few instances of things being outright broken. The camera when trying to scale the backside or the amusement park waterfall, for example, wildly swings around in ways that it never should have. Also, there's the broken physics that seem to randomly pop up and disappear during the pachinko machine level. And lastly, trying to ride the leaf down the river to collect the red coins...it just straight up doesn't go where it's supposed to half the time.
I still LOVE the game dearly, it ranks above both 64 and Galaxy for me personally...but it has some unacceptable jank by Mario standards, likely due to it being pretty rushed compared to other 3d Mario games.
It's the best 3D platformer ever made.
I have a love hate relationship with it. I hate the setting of all the locations, I don’t care for the controls. Most missions are easy until the 8th star. It is so hard to keep track of the blue coins if you don’t pay attention. A lot of frustrating parts to this game that could have been executed a whole lot better. But as others said it’s probably just because it was rushed, and they worked with what they had I’m sure they didn’t mean to make it as hard as it is. That poison river boat ride and that pinball side world are terribly difficult because of the controls.
I feel like what makes it difficult for me is just that Mario moves/turns really fast and unwieldy. Combo that with a lot of tight rope/narrow surfaces and it can be hard to gauge distance/required movement. Oddly though I’ve been appreciating the increased difficulty coming back to it after playing oddesy(an amazing game in its own right).
Difficulty of this game comes from awful camera control and janky design of some levels. 50% of this game is fun, but 50% absolutely not. This is my least favourite mario game.
I’m so glad someone else pointed out the difficulty of some Shine Sprites. Some Blue Coins too. I just always just chalked it up to playing the game when I was a little kid. Even with the game guide. In my experience one of the levels that’s stands out as being difficult for me was Sirena Beach and Noki Bay. Some “no flood” bonus levels as well.
I will definitely have to try another play through now that I’m an adult though, it may change my perspective on difficulty playing at 30 as opposed to 9 year old me.
Edit: formatting
Mario Galaxy is harder than Sunshine IMO.
The most underrated Mario game ever. Such a masterpiece
Worst 3d mario game, after playing 64 and galaxy which both control like butter, it just feels complete ass to move around and play
I agree but disagree. I’ve disliked Mario 64 in every iteration. I feel like they never got the camera right. I never beat it on the 64 or any other time it was released.
I’ve never beaten Sunshine either but I just wasn’t a massive fan of the game to begin with.
I do like Galaxy minus the motion controls. Didn’t beat it until it was on the Switch.
Part of Sunshine’s difficulty is always self imposed to me lol. Like I could take my time on the platforming ooooorrrr I could do a bunch of somersaults, spin jumps, dives, and water slides to do it as fancy as possible.
I can’t tell you how many times I died just because I love diving into Shines versus just jumping into them normally.
Of course there is some serious jank too though lol. Probably half the episodes are janky
Probably not intentional, it was a rushed game so they probably didn't test it as much as they wanted. Most of the challenge comes from going for 100% completion anyways.
its for sure the hardest 3D Mario game. It was so hard for me to beat lol. I did enjoy it.
It isn't difficult at all to get 70 shrines. There are only a few unfair ones that are huge difficulty spikes compared to the rest of the game
I could never get that Yoshi one in Ricco Harbour.
Like never even close.
Just watched a video on it and didn’t know those things could move lol.
Its a really weird gimmick that i think is only really used maybe 1 other time in the game, theres also zero explanation for it - it makes me hate that mission more - it bugs me they had to create something like that just to make jumping around 6 platforms harder out of pure lazyness
The difficulty and jank is a big part of the reason why it remains my favorite mario game and one that I return to yearly. I feel like I can just sleepwalk through the other 3D mario games l, but sunshine actually gets my heart going, especially in the fluddless levels.
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The game feels like it was designed with fludd in mind, so when the special stages take it away it feels jank as fuck.
The levels where you don't have FLUDD were intended to be difficult by design and they said as much.
Honestly, people always bring up the chuckster level in pianta village, but like... Idk if it's just me, but I always had a lot more trouble with the first sirena beach secret stage
Sunshine is still on the only main Mario game that I genuinely dislike. It’s so uncharacteristically sloppy and janky in so many aspects.
I thought the game was easy. FLUDD really opened up ways to accomplish tasks.
What bugs are you finding? I've never known this game to have any.
Nah, it's mostly jank from being rushed. I still like the game, but all the missed potential always makes me a little sad. Could've been an absolute masterpiece on par with 64, Galaxy, and Odyssey if they had given it the time in the oven that it needed.
Sunshine is not difficult, but the game's progression leave little room for freedom of choice. You have to collect the shiny of the every episode seven in all main worlds, but you have to beat every episode in order before unlocking episode seven. You cannot skip missions like in SM64, and that's the major issue with Sunshine's progression.
The game also suffers from long unskipable cutscenes and a lot of stopping from save prompts.
The game was not difficult. I remember playing it when it came out. I never thought it was a hard game
wasnt it like rushed as hell? like pretty much every gamecube game at the time lol
Hard? I didn't even know you could die on it outside of the non-waterpack levels
It was rushed
I hated it. It wasn’t fun at all for me.
Not difficult. Just some poorly designed missions.
The game is just fl of jank. Controls are fine but the physica, walls, and certain mechanics (chuckya’s yoshi, climbing) are all completely broken and messed
No one talks about it but the controls in Mario sunshine are awful, it's possible there is input lag in the Mario all stars collection but I've never fallen off more ledges in a Mario game than sunshine. It's like there is no forgiveness when the game thinks Mario is no longer standing on an edge. It's the main source of difficulty for me.
It’s one of the easiest Mario games out there, IMO. I don’t mean that as a negative, because I absolutely love it, but FLUDD allows for a pretty wide margin of error in a lot of ways that are impossible in every other game.
Maybe it's just me, but I've always found the controls of the flagship 3d Mario games difficult. They're twitchy and it's hard to be consistent or precise. M64, Sunshine, Galaxy, Odyssey, all just kinda frustrating controls.
I think it was caused by the terrible controls, Mario walked too fast.
It's not really difficult to get the expected 70 shines to beat the game.
It's only when you got for 100% that it hits you how many janky Shines you need to get.
It's pretty easy to avoid all the jank content without realizing, and don't lose sleep over blue coins.