Music Theory

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All scales (of the same type) sound the same to me. Am I stupid?General Question

Occasionally you'll hear someone say "oh A is such a sad key" or something of the like. To me, all major scales sound like major scales and all minor scales sound like minor scales, and on and on for all the other kinds.

So what's the deal? Are there really people who feel that they are different or is it all a sham?

edit: yea I know technically a scale is a sequence of notes and it isn't the key itself. Pretend I said "key" in the title.

Why am I such a sucker for the III chord in a major song?Chord Progression Question

In the key of C, for example, when they play E instead of Em. I feel like when this exists in a pop song, I’m at least twice as likely to like it. The emotional impact is kind of indescribable. A sense of bittersweet rising? Clearly it can’t be reduced to words since it can be used to such different effects in a broad variety of songs (from Creep to Nobody Knows You When You’re Down and Out). Is it just because it suggests the relative minor?

Borrowed chords v modulation Chord Progression Question

Okay so I've watched a ton of videos on this that say different things

But to put my question simply.....

Is borrowed chords basically just temporarily changing mode /key?

And what makes it different to modulation and then modulating back ?

Convention for using numerals vs numbers?General Question

Is there a convention for when to use numerals vs when to use numbers?

I've seen numerals used mostly for progressions, and have sometimes seen numbers (1, 2, 3) used for melodies, is this a convention?

I'm also trying to make notes as I transcribe melodies, does it make sense to write things like 1-3-5-b2? (b2 being outside the key, not sure if that makes sense, just made it up).

I also see numerals used to describe notes in a particular chord (ii = I bIII V), but I find that confusing, why not use numbers (ii = 246)? kinda like when we say add9, sus2, etc.?

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What happens at the bottom of the circle of fifths? It has to do with overlapping but I don't get it, can someone explain it to me please?General Question

So B major can be written either as having 7 flats or 5 sharps? Why is the overlap not just on the very bottom?

Bonus question: is there any significance to the fact that on the opposite side of each key we find the key a tritone apart?

Tyler the creatorGeneral Question

Idk how to explain it but if u listen to Tyler yk what I mean but the album wolf has this like very specific sound to it. What kind of chords is he playing and what kind of scales is he using. Songs like awkward and cowboy

What's going on with this chord progression and how does it resolve? GM7, Gm7, F#m7Chord Progression Question

I stumbled across this on my guitar recently - nice little jazz progression. But I have no idea how to describe what's going on here musically because the GM7 and Gm7 confuse me as to which key it's even in, and where the resolution should be. Is it chromatic? What kind of beautiful abomination have I created?

Edit) I notice it resolves quite nicely to Bm7, which I guess fits with other ppl suggesting DM as the key. Relative minor is Bm

All right, what are your favorite uses of the major III (or V|vi) chord and why?Chord Progression Question

The Hollies "Air That I Breathe" - classic "two bars of the I then boom"

Beck "Sing It Again" - similar

Blues Traveler "Hook" - it's straight Pachelbel except for this

"She Used To Be Mine" from Waitress - surprise substitution for V (you were expecting C E G but get A C# E G instead)

Vampire Weekend "Unbelievers" - In two different ways, unexpectedly substituting for iii or for I (first inversion).

"Gonna Lose" by Built to Spill - quick passing chord in the bridge, makes a cool effect

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How do keys work in music theory?Chord Progression Question

Bear with me I’m new to music theory. I recently saw a video of a guy explaining a chord progression in the key of F. He started with an f major 7(makes sense), but then proceeds to play chords with notes not in the F major or minor scale. What’s the point of the scale/key if you are just going to play notes outside of it? When is it ok to play chords with notes outside the scale?

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differences between scales?General Question

for example, the e major and c# minor scales are made up of the same notes, just when they’re written out they start from the note in the name (i have no education on music theory thats why i’m here). i’m just curious if there’s an actual difference between them? (this question applies to any scales that are also made up of the same notes.) if a song is in the key of c# minor, is it not also in the key of e major because it’s made up of the exact same notes? what makes it a different key?

What musical theory is practical for amateur guitaristsGeneral Question

I had in high school musical theory but didn’t find any applicability and forgot it all. can read notes and note duration and that’s it.

I play intermediate guitar. Typically A minor pentatonic. And stuck on same level since a while

Is there anything very practical from musical theory that could help in finding right chord progression / good sounding notes together for making matching solos, accompanying new songs etc?

Relation between Mozart Concerto 24 and Schubert E Flat Piano Trio?General Question

Hello, I noticed that the openings of the third movement of Mozart's Piano Concerto 24 and the second movement of Schubert's E Flat Major Piano Trio contain motifs that are very similar to each other (the one with the two grace notes). I'm wondering if anyone knows whether Schubert is intentionally quoting Mozart or if it's just a coincidence? Thanks.

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I6 versus I6 confusionNotation Question

How is the notation for a chord in First Inversion different than a chord with an added 6th?

For example, in C major the I chord is CEG, and the first Inversion is EGC, and it seems to be notated I6 in Roman numeral analysis.

But what about the chord CEGA? It would be C6, would it also not be I6 in Roman numeral analysis?

What if it were in first inversion: EGAC?

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Which songs/compositions use the modes of the melodic minor?General Question

Hello all! I don't suppose you could help me out. I'm looking for tunes/compositions that use the scales of the melodic minor. Ideally within jazz but fine if not.

Thanks!

Edit: sorry, to clarify. I'm speaking of the melodic minor in the 'jazz' context, so as the ascending version.

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Question regarding clefs and downtuned guitarNotation Question

Hello. I hope you’re doing well. A thought just came to mind. Recently, I’ve been working on trying to transcribe scales and modes in both tablature as well as more traditional music notation. But I remembered that my guitar is not in the traditional E standard tuning. (E, A, D, G, B, E) My guitar is downtuned 4 half-steps down to C standard. (C, F, A#, D#, G, C) And I’m specifically writing this for use with that guitar for my personal studies. I’m wondering if the usual treble clef is suitable for this task or if I need a different clef altogether. And if it’s the latter, what clef do I need to use? Thank you. And have a good day.

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Defining characteristics of Musique Concrete?General Question

Hello all, I’ve lately become quite interested in Pierre Schaefer’s Musique Concrete. I’ve been trying to find information about what makes it Musique concrete. From what I can find, the defining characteristics are that it uses natural sounds that are altered (sped up, slowed down, played backwards, etc.) and it is a study on form. Is this accurate? Are there any other aspects I missed? Would it be inaccurate to call a piece of music Musique Concrete if it follows all the conventions of music but still satisfies these two criteria?

Does this have a name?Chord Progression Question

The Ecstacy of Gold, by Ennio Morricone, is in A minor, but borrows outside chords. I know you can just borrow chords and call it such, but is there a name for what he's doing in this piece? Here's a snippet of the progression:

Am, C, D, F Am, G, C, E

So he's adding a couple notes, F# for the IV chord, and G# for the V. I guess the V isn't unusual but what about the IV?

any tips on emotional future bass production/ chords? (illenium, slander, said the sky and nurko)Chord Progression Question

struggling hard on understanding the theory behind this genre
struggling with chords the most
can't make chords sound emotional the way I hear them in my fav tracks
if anyone has any sorta resource that can help me ill appreciate it!

Would it be weird to write a paper about counterpoint in metal music?Discussion

So basically I'm returning to college after a 6 year hiatus and I'm gonna finish my music degree. I'm applying to the honors program and I gotta write a paper about something related to my major.

And although I've studied plenty of classical music in my time, I'm also a huge metalhead and I unfortunately don't see/hear a lot of talk about the music theory of metal. Some metal bands use some really complex techniques and I want to talk about it!

I really feel like I could write a strong paper discussing counterpoint in modern music, but particularly metal. I'm even preparing some examples to discuss: a few songs by Megadeth, Gojira, and Avenged Sevenfold.

But I also know that metal doesn't have the best reputation in the world of music and I don’t want that to be held against me. Is this worth pursuing or should I find a less ambitious topic?

Thanks in advance!

how many movements should a suite have?General Question

I've composed a collection of pieces and I wanted to call it a Suite. However, the textbook definition of a Suite is very different to what I've written e.g. the style, the order, number of movements... - it doesn't follow the "rules" that I've researched. Most articles only speak about the Baroque era specifically, but I wanted to know if the rules have changed now we are in the 21st century?