I stopped into Loblaws today because I was craving their Tiramisu, which unfortunately is actually very good. I was stopped by a plain-clothed man demanding to see my receipts because he "saw" me stealing. He falsely claimed that the vegetables in my grocery bag purchased from a different grocery store were the stolen goods, threatening me with jail-time with a grin on his face. Good thing I kept my receipts from the earlier trip so he backed off. I will not shop at a store that labels me a criminal just for being their customer.
Finally decided to join the boycott
Ontario - UrbanI think if I experienced that, I would have straight back to customer service and returned the tiramisu.
Same but I would have also marched the accusatory idiot with me to complain. But I'm petty when I'm pissed lol
That's not being petty imo. The accusatory party needs to be held accountable. Is Loblaws running a grocery store or a prison where everyone is guilty until proven innocent?
I would take it further and investigate legal action.
The most trouble you could get him in would be the result of him falsely arresting you. I always refuse to show a receipt (politely at first).
I wouldve thrown the tiramisu right then and there! what on earthhh!!
Nah, get money back first....
Please don't punish the clerks for the actions of Galen and his goons
I have a simple, microwave oven tiramisu recipe if you are interested.
... I'm interested.
One package of Philadelphia 225-250g, whip it up an set aside. (You can use mascarpone for a more authentic taste.)
In a microwave safe bowl, mix 6 egg yolks, 1 cup sugar, 1/2 tsp. Vanilla extract. Whip them until the mixture is light yellow and doubled in size.
Heat the mixture in the microwave 30 seconds at a time at 50% power. Heat, mix, heat, mix, etc, until it reaches 70 degrees celsius. Do not overheat, they will turn into sweet scrambled eggs!
Beat the egg mixture with an electric mixer while adding the whipped cheese, one tablespoon at a time. Let the mixture cool in the fridge.
Whip 1 cup 35% cream and add it to the cool egg mixture slowly. (Fold it in manually.)
Mix 1 cup cold coffee and 1/2 cup coffee liquor or rum. (For alcohol-free, use 1.5 cups coffee.)
Dip lady fingers in coffee (for half a second only) and place them into a dish approximately 20x25cm, to cover the bottom.
(You can add a drizzle of caramel or chocolate sauce over the soaked lady fingers if you like. It's optional. )
Pour one half of the cream over lady fingers and then soak and place the second layer of lady fingers.
Place the second half of the cream on top and decorate with grated chocolate, cocoa powder or chocolate sauce drizzle.
Let it soak in the fridge overnight.
You, kind friend, are the hero of my day.
I have a much better recipe. Wait for my lovely next door neighbour Rosa to whip up a batch of tiramisu. She’ll always knock on the door and give me a platter. Takes no effort on my part at all.
ohhh, I'm savign this!
Thank you for this! I'm going to try this soon.
I absolutely love that this just became an impromptu recipe sharing Reddit 🤣🥰
And saved.
I’m making this one day!
Thank you for this!!!
Thanks so much for sharing this recipe, I’ll think of you while I’m digging into this dessert.
Other than making some strong espresso, where does heat come into a tiramisu recipe?
You have to heat the egg yolks to sterilize them, just in case.
Ah, okay. Makes sense. Thanks.
You don't, though. Just don't be pregnant.
Even then, most places eggs are pasteurized and anyone can eat them raw including pregnant women
Most eggs are not pasteurized.
https://youreggquestions.getcracking.ca/answer/are-ontario-eggs-pasteurized
You’re right, I was mistaken but they are safe to eat raw in Canada provided you get Grade A eggs which almost all commercial eggs are.
Like, qhat they pop them out the shell, warm em up and then close them back in?
Yolks should be cooked until firm or if in a recipe, heated to at least 160 F to kill the salmonella. You can get eggs that have been treated on the outside for salmonella (it will say so on the package) to use for raw recipes, but if you're in the US, there's the added warning lately of a (low but present) risk of avian flu (which the salmonella treatment won't do anything for) from improperly cooked eggs.
The FDA's safe cooking instructions for eggs:
Preparing
Wash hands, utensils, equipment, and work surfaces with hot, soapy water before and after they come in contact with raw eggs and raw egg-containing foods.
Cook eggs until both the yolk and the white are firm. Scrambled eggs should not be runny.
Casseroles and other dishes containing eggs should be cooked to 160° F. Use a food thermometer to be sure.
For recipes that call for eggs that are raw or undercooked when the dish is served — like Caesar salad dressing and homemade ice cream — use either shell eggs that have been treated to destroy Salmonella, by pasteurization or another approved method, or pasteurized egg products.
https://www.fda.gov/food/buy-store-serve-safe-food/what-you-need-know-about-egg-safety
Joining boycott cuz a "security" accused you stole is not the reason for boycotting. Often Walmart do this, when it's happened to me on purchase made at Walmart, I oblige, then go to customer service and get refunded. Making sure management is aware. Just a 🤔
Microwaved tiramisu ?? Your cooking should be the next thing we ban !
Costco’s tiramisu is way better
I once ate an entire costco tiramisu by myself
Im being downvoted because im horrified at someone talking about a "microwaved" tiramisu recipe???? Theres no hest needed to make a tiramisu ???
Maybe you all are used to eating poptarts lol
It really pisses me off that you are treated like a thief as a customer. Your case is a little unusual because you had a previous purchase, but even a simple check would have me turn around and return all of my purchases. Luckily I will never use roblaws stores again.
I am with you. I just went to get some plants at Canadian Tire...all $3 or less. I got help from staff and just payed. The security guard asked me to see my receipt.. like what was he going to see, does he know plant prices? I asked if this is like Costco now.. he smirked a yes... I do all my plant shopping there....go like 4 times per season... Not anymore
I’ve been visiting local independent nurseries.
It is a bit more expensive, but quality and service are great.
There are more varieties.
About 2 years ago I found that one specific Canadian Tire had amazingly well cared plants...and cheap too (I believe they had a senior employee that was taking care of them), I'm in Burnaby BC BTW, same thing last year. I went about a month ago to get my first plants of the session and they didn't seem to have much variety, I didn't see the senior employee. Yesterday wasn't good either, many witted plants or just dead, lack of variety.. They only have self-checkouts but they don't work with most plants, so staff has to do it. This person was very rude, then the cherry on top was the security guard. Its not worth it anymore.
Edit: forgot to say that they used to have baby plants... Young versions of lavender and others that were super cheap because people usually like to buy bigger ones. And they used to carry a variety of wild plants that would attract pollinators. They no longer have them.
I’m on the island and my can tire is pretty good
This is great, could it be that each store is different? The one that is closer to me is horrible, and I really liked this other one. But now the service and quality is not good either. I kind of thought the difference was in the size of the store since the one closest is smaller. Maybe someone in the lower mainland can share about a store that is still worth going to?
I think because they’re independently owned? That the owner and manager make a huge difference, maybe the ones near you are owned and operated by jerks who can’t retain staff.
You don't have to show them the receipt. It is illegal. Look at them, smile, don't say a word and walk away.
Some asshole tried to ask me for my receipt and I told him that what he's doing is illegal and to back away. He got the picture.
The irony being Galen is the biggest crook and should be serving jail time.
Yup same thing has happened to me at shoppers drug Mart multiple times! They get so cocky! And not only that tell them show me the video? Oh wait you don’t have one, that’s right because I haven’t done anything wrong!
An SDM cashier had me in tears around Christmas. I had one of those cologne samples with the gift cert for a full bottle and a couple of small cosmetics and went to the self checkout. The cashier storms over to tell me I have to go to the cosmetics section to activate the cologne gift card. Totally fine - except the part where she's ripping the items out my hands in anger. Wth! It's all falling on the floor because we're practically scuffling over the products. (Demand avoidance activated to the max). She was acting like I was about to steal when I had not even started the checkout process yet.
By the time I got to the cosmetics counter. I told the second cashier what happened and she apologized profusely and muttered some stuff about how the self checkouts have been a pain point. Like I'm just trying to buy a few last minute Christmas gifts at 9am. I don't have the energy for this
Gleefully watching this boycott play out
I went to shoppers the other day, looked around a bit but ultimately decided to just get a water. I went to their self check out and quickly did my transaction, didnt pay much attention honestly as i had done it tons of times before. Anywho, left and went to another store when I realized I had been charged 53$ for my water, so I quickly went back with my receipt which luckily I had kept! Keep in mind it took me maybe 5 minutes to realize what had happened, and to go back. Explained and showed them that I was charged for a ton of items that I didnt buy, and all the workers were literally a bunch of old ass karens, one of which barely understood how self check out works. They went off to the side for like "privacy to discuss the situation" and shit. It was clear they thought I was lying. Eventually gave up and asked for the manager which I really didnt want to do but I didnt know what else to do. The manager proceeds to tell me right away "oh yeah thats a bug with the self check out machines, we will refund you".... A) that 'bug' shouldnt be a thing, like wtf?? B) No apology, no nothing, the other workers just stared at me the whole time as if they thought they were like intimidating or something? Anywho, that will be my last shoppers visit, one of my favourite stores since I was a little kid. Just needed to get that out of my system haha..
For sure. But I think security might have to file a police report first anyway? Don't know how Shoppers works but I know when someone smashed TF out of my car in a parking lot (and I spotted a camera nearby) the building owner told me he had no access to the footage… only Police could get access to that.
I thought it was Illegal to accuse a costumer of stealing while they were still inside the store.
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This is not true. Contact a lawyer. The powers that they Lost Prevention is working under is where they have to see you commit the offence. If they do not see you commit the offence they cannot stop you. If they do, this is consider an illegal detention and arrest.
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I was refering to the Criminal Code of Canada which trumps any store policy.
Under section 494(1) anyone may arrest a person whom they find committing an indictable offence or a person who, on reasonable grounds, they believe has committed a criminal offence and is escaping from and freshly pursued by persons who have lawful authority to arrest that person.
The key word is "find committing". In the context of a store, they have to see you select the item and leave the store. In the case of Loblaws, the other side of the newly installed barriers might be considered leaving the store since they is no place you can pay for the items.
The second part of the this is the Charter of Rights.
Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which is part of Canada's constitution, protects individuals' freedom of expression and guarantees the right to be free from arbitrary police detention, unreasonable searches, and general liberty.
If the store Loss Prevention stops you and section 394(1) was violated then you have the right to sue the store because your Charter of Rights was violated. This sounds like the case the OP stated.
Here's a scenario I've seen many times and I've also done it...
Since you need to bring your own bags, if you are only getting a handful of things people just put it in their reusable bag while shopping rather than grab a store basket. Could they accuse you of stealing for doing this while shopping when you haven't tried to leave the store without paying?
seems like a weird law that wouldn't be enforced if true
I worked retail at a Canadian Tire and a garden center when I was younger and at both places I was told we weren't allowed to accuse someone of stealing until they we're past the doors or we could be sued.
This makes sense to a certain extent, given the number of for-sale items positioned beyond POS. Because a customer may be of completely innocent mind and wander to one of those displays to peruse or add to their purchase before going to the POS queue.
Its true. Mom managed convenience stores (petty theft central) my whole life and she taught us that you can't literally accuse them because that is defamation. They haven't stolen until they leave. But you can say "I saw you put that in your pocket" or "We have cameras, you know?". Its ticky tacky but it makes sense.
Correct. OP is lying plain and simple
Edit: also note OPs account is 5 hours old at the time of this writing
Wow, OPs account is 5 hours old at the time of this writing? This is... OK.
You know... after deliberately deleting my reddit account a few years ago because discourse in certain subs I had liked had really gone downhill, I made a new account a couple of weeks ago. I did that because I heard about this very subreddit, I was thrilled, inspired, that other Canadians were getting fed up with the rich, greedy arses who are basically digging most Canadians into a bigger whole.
Don't focus on how long someone has been on reddit. It has very little meaning to the quality of one's content on this platform, trust me. What they're saying happened to them at Gaelen's Loblows store is very believable.
Yeah because this never happened. People are just making up stories on internet.
Considering Loblaws is promoting some idea that people are going to steal from their stores this week, it’s highly likely that this happened and that they’re employing goons to make sure it doesn’t.
Imagine threatening jail time over some vegetables. How insulting to be accused without a shred of evidence. Good for you for joining the boycott, this is how they treat their loyal customers.
I think that is illegal. You may want to contact a lawyer. Who says somebody in plain clothes is anybody? No ID? Sounds very illegal that Loblaws are resorting to this
The "trick" is to ask them for their professional licence. If Provincially licenced, they are required to carry the licence while on duty and present it readily upon request. Plain clothes or not. Same for PI, and I'm not 100% certain but I believe same for LEO.
Edit for clarification: I'm referencing Ontario. It's possible other Provinces and Territories may differ.
They sell Tiramisu from Italy at Costco which is really good if you have a membership
Who always ask to view the receipts; no accusations just policy.
Also, you agree to this when you become a member.
If anyone is curious what the legal status is presently for Canadians facing this kind of situation, here it is:
Tl;Dr: recent(ish) court rulings give more latitude to businesses to detain you, but you still have a right to refuse a search if you are accused of shoplifting and a store that doesn't do it's due diligence in detaining you takes some risk.
The question to ask: "Can you please describe why you believe you have probable cause to reasonably detain me?"
Unfortunately you happened to go in on "steal from loblaws day", which felt like a trap / inside job scheme to me as soon as I saw anything about it.
I would say that this interaction seems quite suspicious / coincidental.
I have brought other stores' goods into another store way too many times to count and even if I'm holding something in my hand at the checkout (that the 2nd store also sells), I have neverrr been questioned (I always have the receipt though).
I walk everywhere and when I'm running errands I'll go into 4, 5, even 6 stores to get things in one trip, and it all goes with me from the 1st stop to the last. I think that's pretty normal for people who live in walkable cities.
...maybe contact your local news outlet about it? They're publishing stories about this anyway.
Sounds about as awful.as it get in terms of the false accusations - they don't deserve customers anymore. That's not an exaggeration
Lmao pretty sure you can just tell him to fuck off and keep walking
Yeah, if they decide that you “need to stay” and prevent you from leaving you can press charges for illegal detention if memory serves me right
You don’t “press charges” in Canada. In Canada the crown decides to pursue charges or not.
True, you wouldn’t “press charges” but you could sue in a civil court
”I do not consent to a bag check or detainment”
Who the hell gets jailtime for a few bucks of stolen vegetables? ...not that you stole them, but nonsense like this is why our courts are backed up.
It’s because of that fake “steal from loblaws day“ thing right? I know there was a warning earlier today to stay away from any of the loblaws affiliated stores today in particular to avoid any drama of being accused of stealing
"with a grin on his face" That guy was a POS just looking for anyone. I hope that guy slips and fucks his ACL.. will he grin then
I would have press charges if I was accused of stealing. File a lawsuit and see how Loblaws will respond.
What he did was a criminal act in Canada. You didn’t pay to be a member of that store so they have absolutely no right to ask for your receipt. If they want to detain you to have you arrested for thievery they can. You can also sue the snot out of them and generate all sorts of bad publicity. So…..I’m doubtful of your story but thank you for supporting the boycott.
Which specific law did they break?
You're not required to oblige if they demand to see receipts. The only people who can detain you on suspicion of theft are the police. If the police are not present, I do recommend just walking away from any crazy person accusing you of stealing.
Please post your microwave recipe
I would instead tell them, you will serve jail time if you are wrong,
Costco has best Tiramisu. And no body guards.
They do "check your receipt" on the way out tho. Theyve always been high security. But it results in lower prices and a nice shopping experience... So idk how to feel about it. Their security is much more seemless tho. Membership obviously helps.
I have had a Costco front end manager flip out at me for walking through the cash area while working on a return of some defective furniture.
They literally have people checking receipts on the way out of Costco.
When have they ever checked your receipt. They just grab it and put a line through it
They always do a quick glance at my cart first. I bet they're mostly looking for big items like tvs and electronics.
95% of the time they never check it. It is more to deter theft than anything. I regularly leave costco with all my stuff neatly packed in bags and never had an issue.
That said, occasionally there is an idiot keener who takes the job way too seriously who insist on checking the whole receipt making the line to go outside take way too long to get through. One old bitch once asked to check my purse on the way out several years ago... I was shocked but then I never saw her again.
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You agree to be searched when you sign your membership to the “private” club
I hope he apologized after!!
In this situation you could walk out and he wouldn’t have been able to lay a hand upon you
The tiramisu from Foodland is pretty tasty
Those parasites don't see my receipt ever.
Make extra sure you cancel your pc master card and optimum if you have. That’s how you’ll really hurt them.
It's about time you joined ! Did you bring beer at least ? Or juice ? We've been waiting for you !!
The Lost prevention guard has to see you select the items and place them in your bag. You have been falsely arrested. Do you have the incident documented? Names, times etc. Contact a lawyer. You can sue the store.
These Loblaw stories are getting a bit wild lmao.🙄
Dude I fucking hate the GLEE these security guards have when they stop you. A security guard was clearly DISAPPOINTED that he couldnt find any stolen items on me and that's when I said never again will I step foot in this store. Why would I give my money to a company who treats me with distain when I have many lovely local grocers who have gone so far to trust me to pay them the next day when debit machines were down.
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Sus..Did they approach you in the store or after you left?
Congratulations 👏
FWIW I saw something saying people were planning to steal from Loblaws on May 12, I didn’t pay much attention to it ( I haven’t been there in a few weeks) but I guess they increased security and started checking people’s bags because of this. If you don’t want people boycotting/ organizing protests and stealing, maybe they should start listening to their customers. Treating all of your customers like criminals is probably not going to work.
Food Basics on Lansdowne and Dupont do the same thing , they have people following you shopping watching you like a hawk assuming your going to steal something treating you like a criminal went you haven't done nothing ,
I don’t purchase or eat tiramisu. But Costco has plenty of options for this item. I keep hearing it’s tremendous. You’d have to check for yourself, but there are other options that are like as good or better! Happy boycotting
If you’re an adult. Just walk away from them. Say thanks but no thanks and keep going.
Wtf
My Mom used to be a floor walker (someone who works in a dept store and watches for and arrests thieves). She always said that if she tried to arrest someone who had NOT stolen anything the store would get sued.
He was within his authority as you (assumingly) went through the cashier and didn't volunteer the produce for purchase and then tried to leave the store. He obviously didn't see you remove the goods from the shelf. Showing your receipt was/is a valid expectation, so good for you to have kept it and maintain your composure. Usually, I just leave other purchases in my vehicle.
This happened to me before too. I was shopping at a Loblaws and noticed this guy kept looking at me. I figure well I'm not stealing, so there is no issue. Boy, was I wrong. As I was bagging my stuff up at self checkout after paying he comes up behind me and asks "you're forgetting the stuff in your coat pocket" I said huh it's just my wallet and sunglass case bro and he said "what about the other pocket genius" and I said that's my keys, you got a problem there boss? And I pulled my stuff out of my pockets, turned the pockets inside out so the doofus could see I got nothing to hide. He snarls "well whatever, next time don't look so damn suspicious". I let that fool get the last word in, seemed real important to his tiny ego.
Next time, get his name and report him to corporate. This is called a “bad stop” in the LP world. Loblaws takes this very seriously and would have him fired.
Would have told to go fuck himself and kept walking. If he touched me, assault charges would follow.
Fake story.
Go to a local Italian market the tiramisu is a million times better and usually cheaper
This is why I'm boycotting. It's not because of the prices. Everyone's prices are higher. It's because of the high prices WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY treating us all like criminals. And adding one hostile security measure after another every time you go. The last time I visited SuperStore (which is only 150 meters from me) was when saw the plexiglass and that was it. I haven't been back since and I never will. 18+ days and counting.
Did everybody clap?
Costco has a very good tiramisu from Italy.
Hahaha jail time.
I’m sorry you experienced that, I’d definitely email corporate with your experience and let them know that you won’t be shopping with them again.
They frequently stole from me by double scanning items. Can't even count the number of times I caught it, sick to imagine how many times I didn't.
Last time at metro their cart locked up before I could get to my car. My car was park across the cart corral so it is not like I was gonna steal their previous fucking grocery cart. Never shopping @ metro again.
100% not petty. Abuse of power needs to be squashed as often as possible.
I haven't got receipt checkers in my city. You guys live in rough places
If anyone dares to impede my travel by accusing me of stealing they are setting themselves up for a case of slander and a knuckle sandwich!
This 12h old profile is full of it.
One time my wife got followed by one of the undercover “security guards” or “loss prevention officers” in normal clothes who stopped her at the door and requested to look into her purse and said she had proof that she was stealing. she was like; oh okay I’m not, go ahead a look through my purse. He pulls out a beauty blender out of her purse and claims she stole it and then holds up an empty beauty blender package that he “found” that was for a completely different brand of beauty blender not to mention that it was a different shaped plastic casing that the one she had in her purse. She tried to explain that this is her own beauty blender that is used that she caries around with her. He then told her she was going to jail and that her career is going to be over and that no one is going to hire someone with a criminal record and that her life is now over. (She was in her last years of doing her masters in psychotherapy) and he said that she will never be able to be a therapist with a criminal record (he ask her what she was in school for just so he could throw it back in her face) . He took her to one of those back integration rooms and then her manager came back to question her. She was like honestly idk what’s going on, this security guard is a dick and check your cameras cause I didn’t take anything. So the manage checks the cameras and then comes to apologize to my wife that they made a mistake and that someone else was caught on camera stealing beauty blenders. The whole time the manager was checking the cameras the “loss prevention officer was getting off on his power trip by berating my wife about how she’s a dead beat and they she might as well just confess cause her life is over now anyway. Manage apologizes and lets her go. No apology from the security guard and my wife was in that room for almost an hour. My wife refused to tell me which super store it was in town cause I was planning on going in there and ripping this man a new one and requesting that he was either fired or request that he have to write an apology letter to my wife that I would have requested to be posted up in the store.
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Must be a store with massively high theft. If you walk into a store with other merchandise that is identical to the merchandise that’s being sold at that store, you will be accosted. No matter what store.
Lmao this story is bullshit.
But on the off chance it isn't, you should sue. False arrest is big money and an easy win in court.
They weren't arrested and this has been happening in a few places.
They were.
Any accusation of theft by LP at the door is considered an arrest. Regardless of what happens afterwards.
Accusation is not an arrest.
My mistake then.
Please accept these complimentary PC points .
I just donated all of mine and closed my account but thanks!😂
My local superstore checks receipts and is filled with security everywhere. I've never once seen a thief stopped or impeded in any way, they usually yell stop or something similar. I've known staff to be fired or suspended for attempting to impede a thief's escape. Our local superstore has children, not teens, stealing tons of booze, multiple 66oz bottles at a time, daily because they know no one will stop them.
I am curious, what if you call the cops that they are violating your privacy
Only processed eggs are pasteurized . Shell eggs cannot be pasteurized . There is less incidence of salmonella infected shell eggs these days but it does happen. Pregnant people are not the only ones who should avoid getting salmonella. It can be dangerous for other people
Why does this one employee represent a company with 240,000 employees?
Customer service these days is non existent!
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