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Intel Core Ultra 200V Lunar Lake lineup allegedly leaks out, features one Core Ultra 9 SKU
NewsLunar Lake feels like Intel products to mocking Apple because Intel has 16GB RAM for the lowest.
Apple must be ashamed for still selling 8GB RAM for M4 chip. Honestly Apple m4 is just overhyped trash, nothing special.
Once Intel Lunar Lake released RIP apple m4, rip qualcomm x elite and amd strix point.
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He wasn't. He was dragging 8GB of shared, unexpandable RAM.
The fanless SKUs still haven't been leaked. They're 9W, with GPU clocks around 1 - 1.2GHz.
Any idea of the CPU clocks?
For the fanless SKUs, the base CPU clocks are around 1.x GHz, with boost clocks around 2.x to 3.x GHz.
TSMC N3B couldn't save them lol, even M1 will humiliate this in ST, MT and igp. They either gotta bring back the status quo of x86 having 2-4x higher perf at 10x the power or just copy Arm uarch philosophy and adapt to this new reality. The latter seems like the only viable option with the current state of density and frequency scaling
the status quo of x86 having 2-4x higher perf at 10x the power
That's flatout lying.
ANYTHING would have 2x-4x higher performance at 10x the power (at somewhat comparable scale).
That's true comparing Apple to Apple.
A17 Pro′s E-core is 0.54W at SPECint17 rate 2.81
P-core 5.79W and rate 9.39.
That's 3x performance at 10x power.
Is Apple using x86 now?
M1 will humiliate this in ST, MT and igp
I wonder how much Apple stock you own to wrote that BS?
just copy Arm uarch philosophy and adapt to this new reality.
Yea and we all know this is going real great for Snapdragon X Elite right now.
Oh damn does that mean we'll see some MBA-like fanless laptops? I hope so. 🤞
All SKUs have the full 4+4 cores enabled? Going off the clock speed, the performance difference between the top and bottom SKU will be less than 12% in single thread. In multi thread, the gap should be even smaller, except for the very top SKU with a 30W PL1.
I wonder if the RAM is going to be the same speed on all models.
Afaik all SKUs are 4+4. For ST the difference might not be so big but MT can depend on how high multi core boost is. So the higher SKUs might have much higher sustained clock speeds in MT.
Afaik all SKUs are 4+4.
If you read the article, it says that all SKUs are 4+4.
For ST the difference might not be so big but MT can depend on how high multi core boost is. So the higher SKUs might have much higher sustained clock speeds in MT.
I would be surprised if the performance difference in multi thread was bigger than in single thread. Usually the clock speed advantage of higher SKUs is lessened is multi threaded workloads (assuming same core count, same power limit, same ram, same core architecture).
It will be more than that, especially with the top SKU, because the power profiles are different. In this case it's less about base specs and more about how much juice you put in the chip.
Not a fan of the GPU names. Arc 140V? Why wot Arc 240V? Or B140? Something to denote that this is Battlemage / 2nd gen Alchemist iGPU.
Maybe because Arc 100 V series doesn't exist before so they use that numbers instead, but i agree it would be better if they use "B" suffix before numbers like their discrete GPU naming.
They want to make sure it doesn’t overlap with 115V, 230V
The last thing Intel needs right now is a naming scheme that suggests this thing runs at 200V.
Like that's obviously stupid, but it's literally the first thing that came to mind "oooh that thing sounds hot"
They are running out of alphabet letters. Would the naming scheme be better if it was simply "Core ultra 200" or 200U? No, that'd make it even more confusing and misleading for consumers because Lunar lake will have next level battery life and NPU vs. Arrow lake.
The whole "Core Ultra" thing was a mistake. For LNL they could've just brought back the Core M series naming
The Core M has a reputation for being really slow and not that power efficient. Doubt that's the messaging that Intel wants
Ironic since Pentium M was very well received.
E for efficiency or Eco like Fords Ecoboost engine. Z, J, K, P, R, O, I, fucking anything but V(oltage).
better than 200W
200v at 1 amp = 200W
The CPU Mainboard connector provides 12V - and CPUs pull anywhere between 12 and 17 amps to hit their 120-200w under load. Some of the energy gets discarded as heat, resulting in the questionable TDP figures we see.
All of the energy gets discarded as heat.
this is only true in a technical sense. Some of the energy gets discarded as kinetic or light energy, which at the end of the day is also technically heat, but humans do not interpret it that way.
On the cpu? Does it have lights or moving parts?
CPU produces voltage levels on some outputs but that consumes negligible energy to move information out of the cpu. And that will also turn to heat wherever it’s received or already in the wires.
Well, thats fair, CPU itself only generates heat. However to cool a CPU, lets assume air cooler. Thats kinetic energy there. RGB optional.
That's a non-issue. Most consumers don't even correlate V with voltage.
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Yeah, the average person isn't an electrical engineer or hardware nerd. They don't know what voltage even is.
Most consumers don't even correlate V with voltage.
Source?
Source: innumerable amounts of people from my experience doing tech support over the last 17 years.
So completely anecdotal.
People barely know what USB or HDMI is, let alone voltage.
You don't want to look where he pulled that from
NGL that was my first impression too.
200V would be undervolting.
Given the evidence I would believe that they run at 200V to put out that excellent heating performance that Intel is known to deliver with its lines of space heaters
Same here, and it fits current intel lineup :D
Imagine overclocking if you put 200v at it
It's weird to see PL1 has the same TDP as PL2 but weird in a good way because it shows the chip doesn't need more power to hit 5GHz+. Also it's a sign that Lunar Lake efficiency is great.
Top boost clock doesn't mean all the clocks go that high.
The PL1 isn't the same PL2 except for the top sku. Also, 5.1GHz at a pl2 of 30 watts isn't all that great, the 7840u has a TDP boost of 30 watts and hits 5.1GHz as well.
The PL1 isn't the same PL2 except for the top sku.
I'm talking about the top line Ultra 9 288V which is main topic of the headline.
5.1GHz at a pl2 of 30 watts isn't all that great, the 7840u has a TDP boost of 30 watts and hits 5.1GHz as well.
Keep in mind 30w on Lunar Lake is not CPU itself but that's entire package power including CPU power, GPU, NPU and MoP too so CPU power needed to hit those clock speed actually is lower than the numbers suggest.
Also on Lunar Lake TDP is hard capped at 30w, meanwhile on Ryzen 7840U CPU itself can use 30w power but TDP still can be boosted to 50w to give more power for CPU and APU. So i would say Lunar Lake efficiency obviously much better than the Ryzen.
I'm talking about the top line Ultra 9 288V which is main topic of the headline
You are saying that this is a sign that LNL efficiency is great, but only the top sku does it. Does this mean only the top sku has good efficiency?
Keep in mind 30w on Lunar Lake is not CPU itself but that's entire package power including CPU power, GPU, NPU and MoP too so CPU power needed to hit those clock speed actually is lower than the numbers suggest
Well... the 7840u also includes all those parts in it's TDP number as well? Well, except for MoP, but that's only ~2ish watts.
Also on Lunar Lake TDP is hard capped at 30w, meanwhile on Ryzen 7840U CPU itself can use 30w power but TDP still can be boosted to 50w to give more power for CPU and APU. So i would say Lunar Lake efficiency obviously much better than the Ryzen.
That's not how that works. Just because a CPU can scale to more power doesn't mean that it's intrinsically less efficient than something that is capped at a lower TDP.
Does the 7840U boost 4 cores to 5.1Ghz at 30 Watts? Even if PL2 is 30 Watts, it doesn't necessarily mean it can maintain 5.1Ghz at 30 Watts.
I really think that all of these (well, the 32GB versions at least) could be surprisingly good chips for thin-and-light laptops.
Some models like the 258V and the 228V could also be a pretty good fit for a gaming handheld, but I wouldn't want to deal with potential driver issues in less popular games. What's the Arc driver situation like on Linux?
Works fine for me on Linux. Every game I've tried works
What's the Arc driver situation like on Linux?
It's surprisingly bad, actually. They only need to invest in a good Vulkan driver instead of all DX versions, but they really are only focusing on Windows for now
Sad to hear that. I suppose it's AMD only then for the diy deck experience on new handhelds.
I'm in love with my deck, but would love more performance I'm the same power envelope (for temps and batteyr reasons). But newer AMD parts don't cut it sadly, they need power. Maybe Strix or Kraken point will be good contenders. I was hoping for lunar lake, but no Linux no buy.
This seems like an excessive amount of SKUs for the actual number of things that are truly different between them. 2 types of L3 cache configs (8 and 12MB), 2 types of RAM size configs (16 and 32GB), and 2 types of GPU configs (130V and 140V. Not sure if this two are actually different configs tho)
I disagree. Leaving out the singular Ultra 9, it's really more like four SKUs, with your choice of memory for each. I consider it a very good thing that Intel isn't trying to needlessly upsell based on RAM capacity.
I know some of these words!
While I understand i9 is a RELATIVE performance tier.
It's absolutely stupid to have an i9 Lunarlake that may be beaten in anything by an i7 arrow lake mobile chip
This was always the case with say, i5 H chips destroying i7 U chips.
And now you will have i9 H series, V series and U series with vastly different performance in mobile
Well, Intel used to make 5W i7 Y-series processors..
Those were, shall we say, not good.
5W Lunar Lake pls
What a stupid naming scheme. This probably won't confuse technical people who spend 5 seconds on Google, but for everyone else who owned a cordless power drill will probably think this thing runs on 200V.
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Glad to see there doesn't appear to be some extra bullshit product segmentation between the 16GB and 32GB versions of each SKU. Not that I was expecting it, but it's still nice to see when companies don't do The Worst Possible Thing.
Also nice to see Intel adopting a better naming scheme for the iGPU. Hopefully that carries over to their full product lineup.